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Okay I'm not even sure where to start. If you could please provide some references for the information you have provided I'd appreciate it, as I strongly disagree with your theories and the many lectures and courses I've attended have taught me differently I would like to know your sources in order to compare. Rather than debating point by point I'll simply agree that negotiating is not a good idea but for vastly different reasons. I am a trained negotiator and have attended many workshops put on by various business schools on the art of negotiation and economic egagement. I've also taken many marketing and social science courses where I've learned that there is a difference in how people approach different scenarios and that the mind does not and cannot apply market values to all engagements, that many people actually apply social values to many business engagements and that this is actually a very effective way for people to do business and that we often achieve higher tangible results by setting a social values environment. When social values are applied to a setting you'll find that switching to a market values mindset often offends the other party. Imagine having your mother-in-law make a really nice dinner and instead of bringing a nice bottle of wine (which is a form of payment, but a gift is a socially accepted payment) you at the end of it decide to stand up and say "that was great, now what do I owe you?" and proceed to count out some cash and toss it on the table. That would be socially unacceptable, you would be applying market values to a social setting and she would not find it funny. Instead saying "That was wonderful and I appreciate your hard work, I'd like to get you a nice gift." would be a socially acceptable response. We as a society accept gifts in kind for our hard work in social situations. When escorts are working they generally apply social values, hence they ask for the money in an envelope and not to be discussed. Because the discussion of money begins to bring Market values into terms and they now have a business mindset which is hard to get out. They can no longer feel like they are out with a friend and having fun, which ruins the social mood, they are now applying market values. Since they cannot just accept gifts as they do require payment as a source of income they have found a way to keep the market values discussion to a minimum by using 3rd parties (agents) or using the advertisements to set rates on their behalf. Negotiation beyond an initial discussion will ensure that a market values mindset is in place and girls will feel like they are entering a business transaction which I cannot stress enough will for many not allow them to get the 'social/date' atmosphere back and they will not be able to enjoy their meeting. This is not about being professional or not, it's simply the way the majority of peoples minds work across all professions. This is an area of marketing that is studied and taught in Universities and Business Schools around the world and it's very effective in gaining our trust and getting our business. Understanding this is how we think and how we act goes a long way to explaining not only the SP industry but why we purchase the investments we do, why we select a certain Doctor, Bank, Insurance company (Like a good neighbour State Farm is there - an example of a social values marketing), etc. I would probably say that the opposite is true, it's a sign of professionalism for a girl to recognize that many clients apply social values to these situations and that avoiding a market value situation is important in ensuring a good call for a vast majority of clients. I have read many a review where the client posts that they felt uncomfortable that the topic of money was brought up, this is often because they unknowingly switched to a market value mindset and could not suspend the social values belief. A good friend would not have brought up the issue of money, it goes back to the scenario of counting out the money at the Mother-in-laws table, a good SP will recognize the difference and does not allow market values to enter the equation otherwise she risks putting her client in an awkward situation. Likewise clients that have a market values expectation of negotiating each detail should not book SP's that have social values and SP's that have market values should not seek clients that have social values, the two will not be able to engage each other and will feel terribly disconnected from each other. Studies show that most people once they apply market values to a situation they cannot return to social values. The majority of clients and ladies see it as a social environment and need to suspend the belief it is not a transaction so bringing market values into the transaction is not something that can be done. It is not about the persons abilty to negotiate, I know how to negotiate and have no difficulty doing that. It is about understanding marketing and social sciences. If you continue your research and learn more about the nuances of negotiation skills and the mindset behind it then perhaps you'll learn that there is a lot more than just the dollars and cents aspect. I'd suggest reading Predictably Irrational to start as that's the book I referenced most. In addition the MIT Opencourseware on Negotiation is an easy access if you don't have access to the certification programs at Shulich or Rotman. http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Sloan-School-of-Management/15-667Spring2001/Syllabus/index.htm

I'll probably get flamed for commenting on this, but I've been in the business since the 1970s, and I must confess that I don't always get the rationale behind some SPs policies. I agree, if a guy's breath is bad or he has an open coldsore, an SP isn't going to want to kiss him -- but she should make her reasons clear up front, and professionally give him the option to cancel without penalty. If she doesn't want to hurt his feelings, she can always make some other excuse to pass -- but don't take his money if you can't give him the services he's looking for. I do bbbj, although I will use a condom if requested. (I find it unpleasant, though.) I have been lectured by others on this, and yet I can't help but notice that they insist on condoms for customers, yet will fall into bed with some character they met at a club just hours before, often not bothering with any condom for oral. I have a friend who insists on condoms for oral, and yet, she makes exceptions if a guy is particularly "hot." There are two clients I'm thinking of that we've both seen regularly. One is "hot," the other is not. She doesn't use a condom with the hot one, and does with the not one. And yet, she knows neither use condoms for bj with me. So how exactly does that make sense? This is one of the big problems with STDs. We tend to demonize them and the people who get them. But really, they're no different (from a disease perspective) from any other contagious disease. The only difference with STDs is the "shame factor" -- and much of this stems from the "infidelity factor." I'm married, and my husband knows what I do. So if I had to go home and tell him that I got the clap, it wouldn't be any different than if I had to go home and tell him I got strep throat or chicken pox. Because we don't consider my work "cheating" and because I haven't lied to him about anything, we would only worry about the actual disease part of it. But for someone who is married, if he had to tell his partner that she needed to be tested/treated for a disease, then not only would they have to deal with the disease, but also the breach of trust. This whole demonization of STDs is particularly sad when it comes to young people. Because STDs are "bad" "dirty" contagious diseases, I think many young people are left thinking that only bad dirty mean people will give them to you. That wonderful, desirable, sexy person who seems to be crazy about you and wants you to meet his or her mom wouldn't/couldn't give you an STD, could they?? (or get you pregnant, for that matter) The truth is that STDs are no more and in some cases less prevalent among prostitutes and johns than the general public. Why is this so? I suspect because we are sangfroid, dispassionate about our risks. Most of us (but not all apparently) make informed decisions not affected by things like love or trust. I also believe that most people exaggerate the frequency of their testing. There are a couple considerations here: 1) The overwhelming majority of people infected with an STD are asymptomatic. Some of us may be more confident than we should be. I'll take a risk here and state for the record that, if nothing else, I'm sure I've been thoroughly exposed to HSV-1, the virus that causes coldsores. I've never had a cold sore, though! 2) A test is a lot like a snapshot. You can test negative at 2 PM on Friday, and pick something up on your way home from the clinic. 3) The consequences of an STD infection are not the same for all people. As I've already stated, if I had reason to believe I'd acquired an STD, it wouldn't be any more serious than acquiring a non-sexually transmitted contagious disease with a similar prognosis around my house. I've had many people lecture me about the importance of their wives not finding out or of *my* possibly infecting innocent unsuspecting wives -- but I don't even know these people. I did not take any vow to them, nor have I ever given them any assurances. Husbands must take active measures to protect their own partners, if they are still sexually active with them. Taking the above into consideration, one really needs to decide for oneself what his or her policies should be. Respect others and never pressure anyone to do anything he or she isn't comfortable with. As for SPs taking swipes at one another, sadly, yes, I can attest that it's true. Business hasn't been great lately, and people are starting to get nervous. One of my friends has made numerous comments suggesting that she thinks I'm getting more business because I give bbbj -- but as we see here on this board, there are as many guys who will avoid an SP who provides this service as will go with one. And besides, it's a silly point since I mostly work with regular clientele, some of whom have been coming back to me for ages -- I've been in Ottawa since 1989, and I have clients I've been seeing regularly here since then! She takes many new clients, but I don't -- and I have strong age and other preferences that limit me as well, that she isn't saddled with. Times are simply tough, and she's looking for someone to blame. And just last month, someone reported some of the pics on my site that were being hosted by Picasa, and google removed them. I believe this was another SP (although probably not one I know -- I hope not, anyway!). The pics removed certainly weren't obscene, there wasn't even any full nudity, and similar or more erotic ones weren't flagged. I suppose it could have just been some troll, but it smacks of another SP. I also find that any ad I've ever placed on has been quickly flagged, even though I've never posted anything that violates the terms of use, and ads which are in obvious violation are allowed to stand. For about a year, there was some crazy chick who used to get her dumber-than-a-post boyfriend to call me up and make rude remarks, and when that didn't work, she'd grab the phone and start screaming that I was old and when was I going to retire? (I tell her "when people stop making appointments, of course!" ;-) ) I think we are in for a bit of a rough go with the economy over the next year or so. Gas prices last summer ate into the play money for most of us. Many of my clients are seniors and have been in shock since about mid-September. Recently, I'm starting to hear that some of my younger clients are getting laid-off. That not withstanding, right now, I think a large part of what we're dealing with is psychology -- not economy. There will be those who react to this without grace or integrity -- but we're all adults and we know it when we see it. I recommend just ignoring it. ..c..

This is the crux of her argument. You can negotiate a car or another commodity but there are services that you cannot negotiate. try negotiating with the guy giving you a root canal or the lady fixing your angina. (I said ANGINA, you dirty minded people). Or the guy fixing your brakes after they have seized. Dumpy appears to be putting SPs in the category of services that are negotiable, and the majority of the ladies are putting their services in the other category. There's a market for both - but you tend to get what you pay for (or negotiate for). You can negotiate a cheap bj for $80 on CL. Some may actually get off on that - others may consider it an unpleasant experience.

I think its safe to say that at least someone would disapprove in our lives if we shared this. I am fortunate that my mother knows and supports my decision. Which is such a relief in itself. I don't really have a relationship with the rest of my family, so I am not really concerned. Being and SP excites me, and lets me experience things that may have taken years to accomplish (i.e travelling) I get to meet great ppl, help them destress as well as destress myself. I get the freedom I like, and the intimacy I desire. I have a couple close friends that know, and they didn't seem that surprised that I would have tried it out...lol (they know I love life and all it has to offer to be closed minded) I am very lucky that I get to talk to them about it, and when outsiders comment on how innocent I look and act.... hehe we just look at one another and smile... Its nice to have our little secrets that no one else knows... I also like that I live a double life.. It makes it more exciting for me. When it comes to my professional side, I do believe that it would end a career that I love so much and worked so hard for. It would be very difficult if I lost it due to my SP life being revealed... however everything happens for a reason, and I am one tough cookie to let it drag me down for long. All in all, I am content with my decision to be naughty little minx and appreciate all things it has to offer! Thank you Gentlemen for being apart of this great experience and chapter in my life... I don't expect that it will end anytime soon!! xo

Piercings, tattoos, firm tits, one tight kitty and a sip of Brandy. Finally - OGFE sends Brandy to Ottawa. This petite hottie created a bit of a stir when her photos hit CERB last fall. OK - perhaps it just created a stir in my trousers. Tonight I decided to take one for the team. Warning - if explicit content and overuse of the word fuck offends you, then you are on the wrong fucking site. We met up at her downtown hotel. Now due to some scheduling screw up, she will be moving to her proper hotel tomorrow. Location, location, location. She offers me a glass of wine, sure I say so we toast the evening and settle down on the bed for some chit chat. There is something about this gal, like she's just waiting to bust loose.. go crazy, party for a fucking week non stop. That could be very fucking interesting. And just like that the clothing comes off. My clothing and her black dress is hoisted over her head to reveal an amazing set of kitty lips, she parted them slowly with one finger and motioned me onto the bed with the other hand. I lie back to take in this show, still watching her touch herself ever so slowly. She licked my nipples, one at a time, slowly, then proceeded to slowly arouse Seymour junior. Slowly blowing warm air on the tip, then along the side, down at the base and back up the other side. Her tongue makes an appearance, piercing, hmm -this should be good... Junior is quivvering from exitement, throbbing, looking forward with great anticipation to this form of arousal. She licks the tip, slowly, pulling back on the foreskin revealing junior to the night's prize. Junior is engulfed by her warm mouth, slowly she applies generous amounts of natural lube along the shaft, the tip, and back down to the base. She pulls herself away leaving a trail from her mouth to junior - then pulls herself back engulfing him again. The rythem increases, fuck. I am having a hard time staying focused here. I am fucking hard, period. I tell her, if you keep that up, I will come. She slowly takes her mouth off and says to me, "you gotta try my tight pussy". Well who the fuck am I to say no? So on comes the cover, and she mounts me like a good cowgirl, riding slowly, grinding back and forth, slow, then fast, holding on to the headboard for fucking leverage. She was not kidding -she is fucking tight. Bang, bang, bang, bang went the headboard as she rides me like I was a fucking sex slave, her fucking fuck toy, whose only reason for existing was to fuck the mistress! I reached up, licking her nipples, fuck they were hard. I bit one then the other. I wanted to flip her over, and I did. I entered her in the arch position. Fuck, she was tight coming out and going in. I thrust, slow and deep into her until our pubic bones met then back and forth. I pulled out, pushing her arched back down - admiring her full meaty lips, parting them with junior. Her legs were spread apart, showing her sweet spot, inviting, beckoning me to enter her again. I entered her slowly and didn't stop till I could penetrate no more on the stroke. She moaned in pleasure as I withdrew slowly and thrust junior in again. Louder she moans and now tells me to fuck her hard. "Fuck me like you mean it" she says, "fuck me like you mean it".:twisted: Well - with all this encouragement, dirty talking and junior feeling sensations from tip to base, I decided to give her a fucking wild ride. I pulled out once more, reached down and licked her sweet spot, teasing it with a little tongue action and thrust junior back in. While thrusting in, out, I also gave her fucking rock hard tits some tongue action as well. All the while she's moaning, louder and louder and now really fucking loud, again with the "fuck me like you mean it", "fuck me like you mean it". I must admit this was a fucking turn on, the dirty talk, the rough play and her moaning and that tight fucking kitty! I tried, but the kitty won, I could hold out no longer and exploded inside her, with a resounding FFFFUUUCCCCKKKKK as she squeezed the living daylights out of poor fucking junior with that kitty. I could not let this kitty have the best of me, so I dove in to finish what Junior could not do, I decide to pay her lips a little lip service. She was wet, sensitive and appreciative of the tongue lashing unleashed for the last 10 minutes of our session. Not sure how many calories we burned and if we pissed the neighbors off with our loud fuckfest - but I feel a good night sleep coming on after a long fucking day and a fucking tap out submission hold by one tight fucking kitty! Gentlemen, I give you Brandy! Brandy, Welcome to Ottawa! Now, I need some fucking sleep! (Oh yeah, she's approved a fucking explicit recommendation. I told her about you horny CERB guys and she's looking forward to meeting you. Dummpy, she speaks your language). In the words of Dennis Miller, that's the news and I am fucking outa here!!

I prefer not to see a photo before a client comes to see me. A photo doesn't usually show the twinkle in his eye, the softness of his voice or his character; the things that can turn you on even if he's missing a leg! One of the things I have so appreciated about this business is that now I no longer look for a man who has a specific physical attribute. The most exciting sex has come with men who are sly and quiet, surprise you with the best kisses (I love the kissing lol...) knowing where your g spot is and taking the time to find it, over and over... Sometimes it's the hunky ones who are the worst lovers. They don't always make an effort; they've never had to. There's a song by Millie Jackson from the 1970's called Ugly Men. She says, ladies if you want to have a good time, get youself an ugly man. He hasn't had it in a long time and he don't know when he gonna get it again! lol... The physical part of this business is what we focus on .. but the real person is hidden... and finding that is when the real good sex begins.... :-D

Feelin' a little wrestless on this extra long weekend I was perusin' the ads online and the albums on cerb. Up popped 69Nikki69's photo's and don't ya know it up popped my buckaroo too. The first thing I noticed from her photos were her piercing icy eyes, and long blonde flowing hair ( If ya haven't heard me say it before. I love blondes) but man those eyes! After enough humin' 'n hawn' for the last while I contacted the pretty lass and made arrangements for a special session. Special in that I requested an all oral adventure, to which she greatfully obliged. I slapped on my boots, mounted my trusty horse and galloped away to her place near the baseball stadium, with the thoughts of hittin' a home run very very soon, or at the very least clearing 3rd base! :) I hitched my horsey up outside what turned out to be a cozy little love nest. I knocked on the door, it opened to reveal those beautiful eyes and a big bright white smile. She kindly took my coat, and at the same time my breath. Very perky and eagerly leading me to a soft and comphy bed with nice clean sheets. After some basic introductions and formalities we soon were kissing, at first little timid pecks,soon followed by some eager and enthusiastic tongues. Immediately I thought about her skillfull tongue and what it could do to my buckaroo. Bein' a younger lass, her tongue is pierced like many of them do now adays, her kisses were warm and pleasant. Our tongues entwined while hands, both hers and mine; explored and roamed. The clothes began to shed to the floor. As the excitement level increased, so to did the room temperature.This girl was an excellent kisser, her fragrance was enticing and delightful, her hair smelled of a spicy sexy scent all of which was makin me one excited and aroused cowboy. My hands cupped her full C cup breasts, the were soft and almost fluffy, my mouth took in each and teased her responsive nipples till they were nice and hard. I could not get enough, so I buried my self in her wonderful breasts for what seemed forever. While straddled across my lap her tongue began to slowly make it's way from my mouth to my chest, she gently pushed me back on to the bed nibbling and kissing her way down towards by now throbing buckaroo. She teased me with slow pit stops along the way and even gently blowing on the little feller as if to cool things down. Eventually my memeber was enveloped in the warmth of her mouth, taking me all in; while darting her pierced pink tongue up and around my engorged and hard buckaroo. She moved away ever so briefly to move back to my mouth, kissing me aggressively and with what seemed like more passion than before, then straight back to guest of honor. Playfully licking my shaft up and down and all around the cowboy was in heaven, she went back for more with great passion and delight. This girl loves to please, my god does she love to please. After licking and sucking my shaft with great passion, she then moved down further to ensure the boys were well taken care of. Boy were they ever, that pierced tounge gave the boys the lashing of their life, not a spot was missed, much to my and their delight. :), not a spot was missed. Just to be sure she would gently suck one at time in to her warm wet mouth. While she was taking care of business my hands,fingers and tongue were exploring her wonderfully soft and smooth body, eventually my hands made their way to her delicious meow meow, it was both smooth and wet, i gently explored with my fingers a very tight, moist and inviting kitty. I had to taste it, I invited her to sit on my face to which she eagerly shifted her wonderful bootay upon my face,all the while returning her attention to my buckaroo. She tasted delightful, and was responsive to the pursuit of my tongue, as I licked her clit she became wetter and wetter, her juices covering my mouth as she pressed herself further and harder down on my tongue. She continued to pay incredible detail and attention to my buckaroo and the boys too, occasionally coming up for air to shove her tongue down my throat and then back again. I could only hold out for so long before I could feel my legs shaking ole faithful was about to blow, just before the eruption I could feel the tremors makin their way up legs and before you know it I was spent, after letting go good amount cowboy sauce we both lay back exhausted. Nikki then bounced up to clean up and to get me a warm cloth so that I could do the same. While cleaning up we shared some stories and got to know one another even more, as we dressed our selves we became very much comfortable with one another knowing that not only did we connect and have fun, but we both had made a new friend tonight. In short 69Nikki69 is a beautiful young lass, eager to please and a fun romp in the hay, I will definitely return to her cozy little love nest if anything to further our friendship and see what adventures await. Thank you dear Nikki, as you well know I had a great time. Now remember lads as is the case always, Ymmv, but I'm certain if you treat this lady right she will return the favor, and then some.

Trying to tidy up my end of things; Miss. Maria, I think you now have a good idea of why you dislike negotiation so much, you have some strategies to get around the negotiator if you choose to do more than simply ignore, and you have made it clear to anyone considering your services that anything covered on your web site is not negotiable. You now have a choice to be open to special request and other forms of more subtle negotiations, if you choose to be. For the rest of you, I am sorry if I have offended you with my ideas of sex for money, I have come to terms with the money and sex part personally and I don?t run from the money side I believe I am being benevolent to these ladies as they need my support, and they are being benevolent to me as I am now old and ugly and can?t get it for free like I used too!!! We all have our personal strategies and ways of coping with the money vs the service thing. Let?s not start to pick on anyone because their way is different than ours, even if we believe that they are dead wrong in there approach. This board was built on differences of opinions, the last thing we need to do is start alienating people. As any of you who have met me or read other posts on the subject of gratuities and proper compensation know, I am in the majority of us that believe that these types of negotiations are very bad for the visit.

As I have said in another thread about negotiating rates, I have never done this and never plan to. I find it very insulting to the sp who has clearly picked that rate for a reason. Now I have had sp's drop their rate for me because I am a regular or they just felt like it. I never ask why and don't know the reasons why they have done this, but I never ask them to do this. I find it very insulting and disrespectful!

And Paige, they are quite possibly the best, most realistic big fake tata's I've laid my eyes, hands, tongue, mouth etc... on yeeeehaaaawwwwr! I think Brandi looks so good for 40 due to the west coast lifestyle, less stress, slower pace and cool sea air, of course it could have something to do with all the playtime too :) She's got that beach bum surfer gurl thang goin on, and I mean that as a compliment. Hang ten sister!

I have been away for a few weeks and am doing some catching up. Wow! What a thread, but a really good one. There is really nothing I could add but I have a few comments. I have been a member for a long time and I love this community. Fortunately, I have never been contacted with these rumours but I can understand the angriness that they can generate when they are directed at specific people in a derogatory way. To this, yes it is important to verify the sources. And I agree with Cowboy Kenny and what he said. I am a fan of his blog (as many of you are I am convinced) but what I admire most is his integrity. He exposes the fraudulent people and they get pissed at him. Why? Because he has proofs, with valid links to fake photos. It's not just words in the air that he is inventing (like rumours are). But it also true that CERB is an increasingly popular forum but, a little popular or a lot popular, you will always get jackasses that will only try to instigate trouble. It's like when there is a riot; it's always the same people that are the instigators and they go from event to event, just to be the s**t disturbers that will wreak havoc. Respected senior members have brought invaluable information for everyone to share and it is sad that some of them are being the target of shameful defamation. To me, these members have become role models over time for newer members, who want to learn, who want to share and who want to become more active within this virtual community. Lastly, as these jackasses that are only trying to cause trouble will never go away, I tip my hat to the Mod, who is doing a great job to keep everything under control.

I was surprised to this thread revived, but for all the newcomers who don't visit the old threads it's always good reading. I add to it because during my last visit to Ottawa I had a wonderful conversation with a guest. He was new to the hobby and had a million questions and I tried to answer all of them to the best of my ability. A 2 hour visit ended up being much longer because our chat made the time fly. He has a wonderful spirit and was really eager to understand the nuances. We talked about considerations, the vast differences in fee structures and why it's necessary. He had looked long and hard at his options before booking our time together, but he isn't here on the board so many of his questions were issues that are covered in threads here. The three points that I tried to drive home were this... 1. My considerations are not "payment" for my time. The envelope is left because my guests enjoy visiting with me and if I had another job I would not have time to entertain. If my financial responsibilities are not taken care of then I can't entertain, the consideration is their contribution to ensuring we have the time to enjoy. I know this isn't the way all providers look at this, but it's accurate for me. 2. Tips, no matter how much they are, are always symbolic and allow providers to know they are appreciated. They are not expected and never impact the quality of our time together. 3. Respect is the key. Showing respect to a provider and treating her well will go further than any amount of money in the envelope. I can tell those that are accustomed to treating people well, and those that don't. Do not think a tip is expected, most providers do not look for them. But even a $20 makes a girl smile. If she is in the lower end of the consideration scale the little add ons definitely add up and can make things easier at the end of the month. I've always said I would rather ask a 1000 people for a dollar than a $1000 from one person... Catherine

Tip at the end. I once left a SP room and the door closed. I immediately remembered that I forgot to tip for the excellent encounter. I knocked on the door, she opened the door with a funny look and said I forgot to give you a tip. Even got an extra kiss and hug.

Cat as usual you hit the nail on the head :D As I mentioned before I always leave a nice tip especially if the girls are good to me and give me the true gfe. For a single girl I tip a minimum of one brown and that is after the session if she is good. If she is so so it will be smaller maybe a green or two. For duos I tip a minimum of one pink a girl. I also like to bring gifts but normally if it is a girl I see regularly especially an indie I take her out lingerei shopping or for perfume, things that are expensive for them, and that stuff is expensive, that is how I show my appreciation, plus as cat say from a financial perspective thats a couple of browns the girl doesn't have to spend herself, plus I find most girls really enjoy a man taking them shopping. Just my 2 cents worth.

Tipping should be done as often as you can and as much as you can afford. If the service is amazing the tip should reflect that. Work, regardless of what we do, generally sucks. When I have clients that are amazing it doesn't feel like work however I still want to be paid. Remember, none of us gets out alive.

Nicely put Catherine, it is too easy to look at what you do as just another business and you are so right. I am willing to bet not too many of us on here would be willing to put ourselves in your position my self included. We do need to be reminded about the cost of doing business goes well beyond the monetary. I personally believe it is always important to let the sp know how much I appreciate their efforts and in truth that applies to any person I deal with. It does make a difference.