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Oh good god man you really need to get some perspective. Before you go off on some tangent of the customer is always right you should remember that every business is a people business. Stephen Covey one of the most respected authors in the business world wrote in his book 7 habits of highly effective people that business dedicated almost half the book to what the ladies are trying to say. Three of his key points are think win/win or no deal, seek first to understand, then to be understood and synergize. So before you start lecturing these ladies on business learn a bit yourself. I get paid more an hour than many of the sp's here and I fire clients who have a know it all I am the client attitude. There are always clients who are more fun to do business with. Ladies you can read into that my meaning. Don't you dare tell these ladies that because of the service they provide and by the way you use that there feelings or Beliefs don't matter. Even the men on your side if the argument have not taken it that far. These ladies know why we are here and provide great service our part of the win win is to treat them with the respect that any woman deserves.

In case there's an attitude of seriousness and austerity on this board, in some places., I'd like to stress the positive and playful. When a thread with the title "Best X ON THE PLANET" is somehow taken literally, and not seen as playful and ironic, I find it surprising. We're here to have fun, and to enjoy and appreciate our beautiful sp's, MA's, dancers, and providers generally. Within the bounds of mutual respect, that we must always maintain, let's play, and keep the spark of joyfulness glowing.

Seriously Folks, CERB is the one board where the ladies and men actually have a community, where we can share our stories and enjoy each other's company. IF you don't believe, check out the other boards and the trash that is often times posted on those sites, with a fair bit of the trash talk aimed at the ladies.... Let's not get too dramatic or read more into these threads than the simple fact we do them as a way to show our appreciation for the lovely ladies on CERB. The Best of Threads are all meant in good taste, and were never meant to demean or disparage any of the ladies....... It's all good......... Where is OLD DOG when you need him...... SNK

Best article I've read on the subject: http://www.menshealth.com/men/health/sexual-health/6-steps-to-beat-pe/article/294a99edbbbd201099edbbbd2010cfe793cd Men, you can last longer. For years, I silently battled premature ejaculation and test-drove every bizarre remedy I stumbled upon. Follow these exercises that finally worked for me. Master masturbation. Masturbate with a woman's orgasm in mind, not your own. In other words, take your time: Work up to 15 minutes. Bring yourself close to the point of no return, but don't let yourself ejaculate until time is up. Squeeze. If you're overheating during masturbation or sex, stop and squeeze right below the head of your penis. Apply firm pressure with your thumb and forefinger and focus the pressure on the urethra--the tube running along the underside of the penis. The squeeze technique, developed by those icons of sex therapy, Masters and Johnson, pushes blood out of the penis and momentarily decreases sexual tension and represses the ejaculatory response. Pinpoint ejaculatory inevitability. Masters and Johnson broke the process of sexual response into four phases: excitement, plateau, orgasm, and resolution. It's the plateau and orgasm phases we're most concerned with, as most men crash through the former, straight into the latter. The trick is to slow down and recognize that there's a spectrum of feelings throughout the process of sexual response and to recognize your own point of ejaculatory inevitability. Rate your sexual excitement on a scale of 1 to 10. Try keeping yourself at 7. Sexercise. Do your Kegels. A Kegel is an exercise that helps tighten the pubococcygeal (PC) muscles of the pelvic floor. Both men and women have them, and you can become familiar with the muscle group by cutting off the flow of urine and then starting and stopping it repeatedly. (Begin with a full bladder.) Once you have the exercise down, practice your Kegels anywhere: at your desk, behind the wheel. Tighten your PC muscles and hold for a count of 10, then release. Practice in sets of 10. Stronger PC muscles will help you exercise ejaculatory control when you approach the point of inevitability. Press, don't thrust. Tease her, taunt her: Press the head of your penis into her clitoral head. Linger in her vaginal entrance, where the most sensitive nerve endings are. When you do have intercourse, focus on small, shallow movements that penetrate the first 2 to 3 inches of her vaginal canal. Press your penis against her G-spot. You'll last longer if you're not thrusting vigorously. Show a little courtesy. Ladies first, gentlemen--and I'm talking about more than just holding the door open. Keep your woman happy. Women have an innate capacity to experience multiple orgasms. When you help her to her first one, it relieves you of some of the pressure to please and the psychological anxiety that feeds into PE. Use your fingers; use your mouth.

Mod, I would have to disagree. If the Mod did not run an incredibly tight ship, CERB would be where every other board is. It's like a family home, someone has to be the adult until everyone learns how to behave appropriately and then snap a towel when someone forgets the rules. I'm not kissing ass, I have seen members on CERB on other boards and their behavior is not nearly what it is here. MOD has set a high standard for acceptable behavior and the community are grown to reflect the positive stance he has implemented. As for the daily diligence, yes it is remarkable and very much appreciated. cat

I think what I have enjoyed most since joining CERB is the sense of community and openness. The reason that I will go out of my way to see a lady from CERB is because she is a part of this community. I can tell a lot of guys feel they are being complimentary and others feel they are helping with marketing (which I find kinda crude but what do I know). I think if we listen to the ladies we can find ways to compliment and recommend that don't give offense or stir unpleasant emotions. I think the locker room Omg she has the nicest ... Ever comment should not be on the board though it is in our hearts and minds. What I find cool is the ladies are trying to teach us how to express our appreciation. Keep it up girls us men are kinda slow lol but we will get there :)

I suppose if I worked under the thumb of pimp for years, I might feel the same way as them. But that is just one aspect of this business. There is a myth that women cannot be empowered and be sex workers. I chose to be a sex worker and no one tells me how to work, when to work or who to see or how much to charge and I don't have to give my money to a pimp. Forced labour is not limited to the sex trade. There are other industries where people who have ended up in lower power positions are forced to work long hours for low pay and little appreciation and even abuse. Some of them are trafficked, some are not. So it's a problem that does not begin and end with the sex trade. But it is a real problem that still needs to be addressed, but not at the expense of others who are doing this type of work by choice and are comfortable with doing so.

I don't think I would be comfortable saying who is the best. Of the ladies I have seen (in my short experience at this), all have been outstanding and have satisfied my desires in one way or another. They are all great....! To say one is the 'best' is very subjective and not really indicative of the overall experience. IMHO, anyway.

It's not just SPs.... cat

UGGG being a lover and not a hater I am upset with the direction this thread is taking! Are we not all meant to coexist in harmony on Cerb? This is why I joined! If I am wrong, please let me know!!!!

Having promised to say no more on the issue, I will however add that I find these suggestions very sensible, and would have no trouble renaming the threads, checking before posting etc.

There is another side to this that has been stated and sightly brushed off. I am not meaning to sound bitchy (me too, no coffee) but (and this is a generalization), what CERB ensures is that these pictures is of the Ladies and are their own property, on their own page. Having them reposted, albeit in the same community, should not happen without the Ladies consent. My opinion of the "Best of's" is irrelevant here. The point is, is that one should be sure that the Lady in question is ok that her images are reposted somewhere other than her page. Peace

While I agree with you 100% Megan, I am going to take the realistic approach here. Men are visual creatures, no ifs ands or buts. Women take great care and pride in their appearance; we coordinate our outfits, add accessories, take care with hair and makeup but yet those admiring glances you get out in public are more than likely based on one of your assets not the whole. Men tend to appreciate the "whole" woman once they have established a rapport. We supply a fantasy and if their fantasy is my ass then so be it! I only expect my friends and SO to admire the real me :) But I still do wish it were different; one can dream!

Cato, I can't give you any more rep points right now or I would - very nicely said - as usual. I don't think you need to defend yourself and your contributions to CERB at all. You are a very important part of CERB and your well-deserved title "most valued member" says just that - all of those members that voted for you said even more when they shared their opinion. Thanks Cato, for giving so much to CERB and helping to make it what it is. Hey!!! Hang on!!! Wait a minute... how come I wasn't voted most valuable member?!? Come to think of it, I didn't even get that many nominations - only my friends nominated me... What's up with that? I mean, just because my posts aren't as insightful, fun, intelligent, nice, humorous, or even as useful as say WIT, PistolPete, Kyra.Graves, scottthecanuck, Cat, Seymour, OldDog, Megforfun, Cato (I could go on and on but I'd run out of space!...) doesn't mean that I'm not the best too! That's not fair at all! I'm special too you know!!! :wink: I don't care if it's your birthday! I want a present too! Where's my loot bag!?!?!? :razz:

I've really enjoyed this vigorous exchange, and thank all participants for it. A few concluding remarks from me (really, this time, it's my last word on the subject). These are meant respectfully, and not as a provocation. In any case, I won't be responding further. I don't want my contributions here to be misconstrued. I have of course started picture threads (not all of them, but some) on here, but they're just a small proportion of the 73 threads that I've initiated on cerb, most of which are recommendations and the like. The picture threads happen to be popular, and in the case of Best Bums, highly popular. But there were far more raucous and uninhibited discussions of female body parts on cerb long before I started the "Best bums' thread, long before I was active on cerb. You only have to do a search, for example in the Ottawa escort discussion section under "Best butts" and even "Best face", which were discussions more than pictures, but, as I understand it, worked along the same lines that some people are objecting to here, since they focused on aspects of beauty in apparent isolation. So it's a long-standing tradition here. Is it a good one? I have yet to be convinced of its faults. No one, as far as I know, sees ONLY the body part, Megan, but sees it as precisely a part of a beautiful woman. A sexy and arousing image, yes, as it's supposed to be if the advertising the sp's are doing is working. And we respond to that. I wonder if Berlin could please clarify why it's OK for an sp to post a picture of her breasts or bum or whatever as advertising, but not OK for a hobbyist to post the very same picture as exciting, excellent, arousing, whatever? I can't see what the distinction is that you're driving at. And surely that's the effect you want to have. As to the claim of exclusivity, Berlin, I don't understand how it is supposed to operate. Who is doing the alleged censorship in this wide-open community? Is anyone prevented from posting a pic they find interesting or worthwhile (or wankable, if you prefer)? If there's a cluster of a certain body type or types that occurs more often than others, surely that's just a matter of the preferences of those who happen to post (not necessarily of the community as a whole), but ANYONE is welcome to post; and if they don't, how is that the fault of those who do? There were complaints last year about what some people saw as the predominance of spinners on this board, and I answered then in the same spirit I answer now, in defence of openness and of not being confined in a narrow orthodoxy. I want the maximum diversity and variety on this board. I have my own preferences, but they're just that, and I don't want to restrict anyone's expression on here. If others have different preferences, let them be expressed. That will make us a more robust community. I hope that people will take these remarks in the spirit that they're intended in, not as an argument but as a conversation. I'm sure the conversation will continue, but I've said all that I mean to on this subject.

Just to chime in, for a second. I think, no make that... I know I look at just about every new album posted here by a lady. I do comment on their photo's regardless of what body part may be shown to all. I also enjoy all types of women who do post their albums and I thoroughly enjoy their tasteful photo's. Normally I get a profile note saying thank-you,or in fact private pm's that basically sets up a line of communication, and then perhaps a date. I don't believe there is any harm,any devaluing of any woman here on this board,on the contrary it is really endorsing lovely women without any prejudice or dehumanizing a lady. Those that wish to continually post,I see nothing wrong with it.I don't think the women that are posted in these threads feel that way as well. Some have had commented in the threads,and also posted photo's themselves of other ladies.

This is a sample of the letter that we have been sending out please feel free to use it as well. If your not sure where to send it PM me and I'll give you a ton of addresses for media and government. November Dear [RECIPIENT], I?m writing regarding the recent decision by Ontario Superior Court Justice Susan Himel to strike down three of the four anti-sexwork laws (communication, living off the avails of, and the bawdy-house law) listed in the Criminal Code of Canada. Specifically I?m writing to express my full and enthusiastic support of her decision. By striking down the communications law, the avails-of law, and the bawdy-house law, Justice Himel has made it much, much safer for sex workers to work in their chosen professions. Now street workers will be able to negotiate the terms of their contracts openly, and can work free of harassment by police and ?community associations?. Similarly sex workers of all types will no-longer be at risk of losing their homes due to eviction by landlords afraid of being, themselves, charged with operating a common bawdy house. Additionally, and also through her decision to leave the procurement law intact, Justice Himel offers those coerced into sex work by pimps, traffickers, and other predators, legal recourse against those who are exploiting them without their risking being brought up on prostitution-related charges themselves. Pierre Trudeau told us that the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation. I tell you that this is no different. [RECIPIENT], it is time, beyond time, that we stop treating sex workers as non-citizens and non-people and grant them the rights they deserve as labourers and as human beings. To that end, I strongly encourage you to speak out against the misinformation being spread on this subject and to give your support, through word and action, to Justice Himel?s historic decision. Sincerely, and with great hope [your name] [your general location] [any relevant information you wish to include]