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I think it's a natural, obvious and generally wrong assumption that there is a necessary linkage between the price of the service and the quality of the service. I think that in general we are conditioned to believe that anything that comes with a price tag can be assessed by the level the price is set at. This gets transposed onto SP services as well. In Ottawa, the average hourly rate appears to be between 200 and 250 or so. In my limited experience here and elsewhere, I have seen some within and some above that range. And, regardless of what I paid, there was variability in the quality of service and my level of enjoyment of the time. Yes, the ones I paid more for were great experiences, but I also had a great experience for less. At no point did I think that it would be reasonable to haggle, negotiate or define that lady's quality of service by the price bracket they fell into. Frankly, I think that the service provided regardless of the person is so utterly personal and intimate that the going rate doesn't come close to meeting its true worth. It's one hell of a privilege to be able to share that level of intimacy and closeness with a woman. How do you truly put a price on intimacy? That said, I'm one of those less old guys with less free money to throw around, so I am necessarily limited in my activities and how far I can go with things. It's not that I don't think a lady charging $500 an hour isn't worth it, I simply have to look at the economics of it and see that I probably can't afford that. It's unfortunate because I'll miss out on meeting some truly sensational women, but it's just the reality I live in. That's not to say the ladies charging $200 are less sensational. So, to the point of lower prices being degrading, I don't think that at all. I think that, as others have said, the ladies should charge what they feel their time is worth, and the guys will just have to hope they are able to swim in those waters or look elsewhere. The only thing that is degrading is to do something that you don't want to do because you don't think you have a choice.

I like being emotionally monogamous, but sexually open. I can't imagine being emotionally involved/committed with more than one man. On the other hand, I can't imagine limiting my sexual experiences to one person. I know some people can't separate emotions from sex, but this lady over here certainly can!

Most gentlemen on this board are to polite to publicy reply to such a question because each experience is unique and personal. Some one may have a teriffic experience with one lady but to say she is the hottest is comparing her to other ladies and usually is not done. Take some time and look at all the ladies profiles and check the Recco Pages and I am sure you will find a lady that suites you to a "T".

I find these comments to be very condescending and disrespectful. The cost option was part of the poll and although it could have been worded differently like "cost to high for my means" or something to that effect there is no need to belittle or disrespect anyone for answering the poll truthfully. Personally I did not do the poll however the last year or so has not been very kind to me and has resulted in the frequency of my visits with touring ladies to being greatly reduced. So if I were to truthfully answer the poll I guess the "cost to high" would be the box I would have to check off. So in your opinion that makes me "Simply and completely pathetic" and wasting my time on CERB . Well I don't post very often but I do believe that I do contribute some positives to the board and while not as often as I used to or would like to I still cherish the memories of the ladies I have had the pleasure of seeing in the last year . And anyway who died and made you god ? Regards Still logging in every day regardless {at least while I'm still allowed}

I was asked about a dozen times to let members know how the Sybian party went so I thought I would do it here. First we had a couple of fairly late cancelations and two ladies were a no show inspite of the fact that 1 re-confirmed the night before. We received no cancelation phone calls but a reasonable explanation after the party. Fortunately I had a lady that I was confident would come on short notice. She had experienced the Sabian the previous night and I told her about the party. Inspite of the fact that she was shopping when I called her, she was at the hotel suite in less that 45 minutes. Until 9:00 we chatted, sipped wine or juice , nibbled and shared experiences.I had no idea that TS persons were of such interrest to ladies ( they don't interrest me in the least.) At 9:00 the games began. The first event was the fully clothed, panties on, no penitration Sybian experience( there was a reason for this modest introduction). There was a little hesitation about who would try this first. When a small remuneration was offered there was some friendly buisness negotiation, but nothing I precieved as greed. Kaylee was the first rider. The idea was to ride the Sybian in full view of all present without exposeing one's panties. The concept being that everyone was going to see the ecstacy on the rider's face and witness the changes in her body. For the rider the object is self explanitory. A hush(almost embasassing) fell over the party as everyone watched Kaylee take her first ride. I shouldn't really describe it any further than to say it was beautiful for all of us; as was Elizabeth's first ride, as was Cindy's. I am very happy to say that not one of the ladies mounted the saddle for 10 seconds, got up and said " that's enough". There was a little minor adjusting and positioning but other than that each lady rode that stallion to satisfaction. After that event we held a panty auction. Here the ladies stayed out of sight from the men while I described in turn each ladies panties and I acted as auctioneer ( and sometime bidder) in a panty auction. Now you can see why we had the ' panty on Sabian experience' first. I think that it helped add a little something to the value of the panties that the men would bid on. This event was fun, I certainly had fun, and I think all would agree. The proceeds went directly to the ladies involved and the prices paid were pretty much where I hoped they would be. Except one of the guys became overly excited and purchased 2 pair. I planned the party withequal number of men and ladies. Unfortunately I lost out. (I will have to discuss with him the concept of share. lol) After the auction the men had the priviledge of removing the panties from the ladies.They did so with all the haste of a worker on a goverment contract. Which only added to the anticipation and delight of everyone. Once the panties were in the posession of their new owners, they were given back to the ladies, temporarily, for the panty toss. If we were in the Jakarta room at Marriagi's this would have been a toss into the chandlier. but since we weren't the ladies tossed their panties at a make-shift ring toss board that was festuned with prizes in various denominations. This worked out to be not quite as easy as expected so it took a bit of time and several tosses for each pair to find a home and suitable reward for their former owners. I believe one of the guys was drafted in as a relief pitcher. When the prizes were distibuted each lady also got a gift certificate to La Senza for garment replacement. The ladies surrendered their panties, and the panties were not replaced for the duration of the evening. Time for more refreshments, and conversation , a bit foreplay and intamacy. After that two of the ladies treated us to some shadow dancing of a decidedly suggestive nature from behind a back light screen, hot, hot,hot ! From this point on I will try always to include this in our evenings entertainment. We followed that with our version of a glory-hole. In every respect the evening was ment to be as delightful for the spectators as for the participants and I think it worked. After that there was more conversation, refreshments, and a room was made available for private intamacy. Then the ladies availed themselves of the Sabian, again. This time without panties and with the small size appendage attatched , and penitration. Once again the din of silence was unbelieveable as the machine was dialed up to 70% power and a little beyond on both rotation and vibration. Again the rides were not short duration and one lady even chose to ride it a third time. The party lasted well past midnight and may well have lasted longer but more than a couple of us had work and go to meetings in the morning. Intersperse with the activities were booty bags for the ladies and prise draws for the ladies. The final draw for the evening was for a Colombian emerald ring of .69 ct. There was a picture taken of it, which I don't have. Maybe the owner of the photo can add it to this post. There were activities that I can't comment on and others that I won't. I think most of us would do it all again, or something close to it. (there should always be changes). I am not sure when the next 'chicas party for ladies and gentlemen' will be held, only that there will be another. ...chicas/chavez

I remember every client I have ever met! Every one of them have taken a piece of me with them when they move on in their lives. I completely agree with SA. Some were great people and we did create some kind of relationship, that I will miss. I also know this is not true with every person. I have met some people in this business who just want to forget day to day. But for me it is so much more. I like to help people, and show them some one does care for them. Even if it is just lending an ear, or giving them a hug when they need one. This is just my opinion, but I completely agree with you SA! I will always remember and cherish my time. It is how we learn and grow in life, by experiences and learning from others experiences.

I read your post, re-read it, and read it again, you used the phrase overinflated, not me. And that term is disrespectful to the ladies no matter how you want to spin it now. Ladies charge what they think their time and companionship are worth. If you find for you it's too much, or your words, value for that $200, then see another lady...but to call her rates overinflated, it's not a fair comment towards the ladies I stand by my original comments RG

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Reading this thread brings many thoughts to mind and heart. Because of the negative perceptions of this business, many SPs leave with no option but to simply cut ties. It is a struggle for an SP to leave for many reasons. Never assume the decision was flippant in any way. There is an emotional commitment to her clients and walking away isn't done on a whim. Most feel that terminating all contact is the only way to go. The shame and social rejection that comes from publicly admitting our profession is overwhelming to all those that do not have the inner fortitude to withstand and come thru it. Other professions allow a forwarding address and relationships developed are allowed to continue and are considered valuable, but in this there are so many challenges it is almost impossible to maintain relationships if a woman has been an SP in secret. The one reason that is consistent with all of those that leave for romantic motivations (which in my experience is the #1 reason for retirement) is the insecurity that comes from their SO. The fallout is usually nuclear in proportion if it is found out that there is a continued relationship with a guest after she has "squared up". Even the most stable of men will have issues with her work, and it will undermine everything in the union, and SPs realize this. It takes an extraordinary man to accept that her work isn't a threat, and underneath the facade SPs want most to be loved and accepted. So they are faced with a choice...the man who wants to love them forever or the man that wants to love them for an hour a couple of times a month. It's a huge gamble in my opinion. If a man cannot accept me in my entirety including my work, then he is not the man for me. From my perspective, a complete cessation of contact with my guests would be akin to cutting off a limb. First and foremost they are my friends. I tried to refer many of them this summer to other SPs and it was an complete and utter failure. The reason I continue to travel back to Ottawa is because I have guests here that count on me and leaving them hanging simply isn't an option. Does that mean we are to close? What is too close? Is loving someone wrong if it isn't in the "traditional" sense? I think the posts above show that guests truly are more than a venue to generate money and I want hobbyists to know that most professional SPs invest themselves emotionally in very deep ways. Always remember this profession doesn't usually attract the woman that is strong and whole. We become SPs because we are trying to fix the financial crunch and do not understand the emotional side of things until we are in it. Some find wholeness, it gives us so much. Others are destroyed by it. I find my work rewards me back in direct proportion to what I invest in it. Each and every one of us are bent in our own unique way. The common perception is that we are money hungry and greedy, but for the good ones it isn't true. We have an unusual ability to love and let go when the time is right. In the grand scheme of the Universe, all relationships are simultaneously precious and insignificant. We must live in the moment, cherish what is now and accept that nothing in this world is stable. Not the concrete buildings we reside in, the earth below our feet or the experiences shared. Every relationship I have is treasured for what it is right now. Tomorrow, if circumstances have changed, I will remember fondly as every experience builds who we are as people and that is what we are here for... Catherine

Interesting that the emphasis seems to be placed on the fact she's an escort. Truly, what's the relevance? The scandal is the conflict of interest and the fact he was basically ensuring money for nothing for his fiancé from a pretty shady business deal, not that she was an escort. More sensationalism for the sake of sensationalism.

It may not be a big deal for many or many cases but when I see someone and we exchange hugs and cuddles and kisses and love and passion and with some even intimacy, unless I am a total robot, there will got to be some kind of emotions or passions developed too between two humans so intimate... For me it is most of the time a date and ladies that I see are regarded as guests and friends.... For example I used to see several beautiful college/university student dancers over several years each. We must have exchanged thousands of kisses and many many hours together including private dances in CRs but also shared drinks, views, talked about personal life, friends and family, dined, kissed, hugged and ...... and suddenly she graduates and gone (leaves Ottawa to another city) and I am likely unable to see her again for rest of my life. If I am not supposed to feel anything then I would be a robot (or Mr. Spock lol:icon_smile:). Yes I am very very happy for all of them that they found better jobs or a job to their liking or bfs or got married and I still enjoy the pleasant memories of the time we had together, but as I said I can't help missing them and their companionships:icon_cry:.

I have been very fortunate to have met with Angel, and I have to say that I very much enjoyed our time together. She is a really nice person, and perhaps sweet and shy are words that also come to mind. Sweet all of the time, and shy at least initially. Angel is a beautiful young woman with an amazing way about her. I did arrange two hours with her and I am so pleased that I did so. We spent what for some might be for some an inordinate amount of time talking, and with me just holding her, but for me that was as nice and pleasant as anything else that happened in that time period. She was dressed in a very sexy black outfit, complete with stockings and garter belt, and since I am a lingerie lover, it was a perfect choice. One of my absolute favourite things is to see and feel a woman in orgasm, and that she did. I loved her term of feeling "melty." I know that I am not a kiss and tell kind of guy, but I will say that Angel was enthusiastic, not shy in the least in an intimate encounter, loves giving and receiving, and the ASE as she describes it on her web page, is worth exploring. She and I have already discussed our next encounter, and I hope that she is looking forward to it as much as I am. Just as an aside, on her web page she speaks about her favourite charity which is to support a family at Christmas. That touched me a great deal, and I hope that my small contribution to that is added to by others who meet her. She is very compassionate, sincere and has so many great characteristics as a person, that if you have an opportunity, then you should try to make arrangements to spend some quality time with a great young woman.

My take on any relationship regardless of what kind. What is missing these days is honesty and communication. It is fine to be in an open relationship but it is best to communicate amongst each other. Everyone must be a part of the relationship regardless of how many partners there are. 2,3,4,5,etc.... Jealousy is created by mistrust, if you have full communication and everyone in the relationship is honest, it will continue to function. As soon as people start lying and deceiving that is when the mistrust begins. Just my 2 cents!

I always thought all phone operators looked like Ernestine

Sounds like fun, Bethany. It would be fun to run into you there.

I completely agree with O'Connor's ruling. My thoughts are why so late did Maggie jump on board? It is a fair ruling in my opinion to avoid further delays of the outcome ....as they say too many hands in the cookie jar is not always a good thing. Thanks WIT love to be keep uptodate on all of the legal elements of this case.

have you ever wondered if I masturbate as much as I say?

You know, the more I see ladies, the less I'm concerned about the services than I am about the entirety of their company. And it really isn't, at least for me, about the alphabet soup of services offerred, it's about the their company. A nice relaxed date with no specific expectations has turned out for me to be the best encounters of all. Maybe that's because I'm older and the companionship aspect of seeing a lady means as much if not more than just the sexual side of the encounter. Don't know if that helps at all, but thrown in for discussion RG

Suffice it to say that SPs didn't really voice in until Mia's entry. This was her decision and the SPs respected her decision to sit quiet and see if it died down. Her explanation is clear and accepted by the SPs for reasons that are our own. There seems to be no reason to continue with the discussion. If someone tried to sneak back in to see me after I had told him that he was not welcome, he would have received the same treatment from me as did Mia. Enough said. cat