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Hate to play the Devil's Advocate here but how do any of us know he's worried about getting an STD from an SP? Maybe he's worried about giving one. There are always two sides to a coin.Sadly a lot of hobbyist's seem to immediately think the SP is the one to worry about.Just my opinion.

Just to add to what Cristy said, yes you may have a budget, I do, we all do. My budget, well I can afford to have one encounter per month on disposable income. On occasion I may see a lady who I'd like to see for a longer period of time. Or maybe schedule a sleepover with her. Or, well an encounter that costs a higher amount than most encounters, for whatever reason. In those special cases I will save money for a period of time to afford those encounters. In my case, I'll just forgo my monthly encounters, save the money I would have spent on an encounter that month, till I have enough to pay for a encounter costing a little more than average cost Whew, hope that makes sense RG

I understand as a hobbyist you may have a budget, as any person does when looking for anything but to compare girls and their rates is unfair and unreasonable. As each of us offers different styles of services and different services. We all have different ways of evaluating our costs . We all have different expenses therefore different rates. It is silly to expect "Jane" to charge what "Jan" charges and so on, silly! Pick a girl if you like her you pay her asking fee, to whine or complain that it may be cheaper here or there will win you no fans or providers!! BP is a fine site I suppose but the difference between here and there is, here you know the pics you are looking at are the ladies , not stolen, you will also be guaranteed to get good service as we all value our reputations here, no fly by nights ! Also when you call a provider please do not ask any of us to lower our rates or mention that you think they are to high that is just rude .

I wonder why you are asking the members of Cerb whether or not a poster from -------- is offering sex in her GFE? Do you not think that maybe these questions should be forwarded to the lady on BP

Just for starters....you get what you pay for?

Oh Boy! I will let our members enlighten you.

Hey Cristy, In regard to your original post, firstly, screw anonymous idiots who get their cheap kicks by calling and harassing people. They're likely penniless fucktards who are bitter because they can't afford quality company. We all get asshole customers in practically any kind of business. Got to let it roll off like water beads on a Turtle Waxed car. And yes, this is a real job. Time and energy goes into marketing and attracting clients, maintaining a repeat customer base, organizing appointments, managing financials. Actually, it's more of a small business than a job, and I admire the entrepreneurial spirit! It takes a lot of guts to start up an enterprise. As for Shayla, wow. She's got great pics and I was looking forward to seeing her someday, but beauty's pretty worthless with a crappy attitude like that. I'd feel a little sad and offended if I were called a "j--n", even by a fellow hobbyist, because of the perceived negative stereotype, so I can understand somewhat how SPs would feel when called the H-word. I've been told by SPs that CERB guys are great ("they're usually business types"), so why would a SP want to get herself banned from such an invaluable marketing tool? A little word of advice Shayla, go to the library and check out an old marketing series called "Guerilla Marketing" and read it thrice. Do you really want to limit yourself to CL and BP clients (no offense intended to CLers and BPers...I look at them from time to time)? I don't think she needs a permanent ban, but a "take the time to think about what you posted" ban. Sometimes I say stupid things; happens to us all.

First, I truly believe the intent of the thread was positive. But here lies the difference. When you post a recommendation, you are posting why an encounter you had with a certain lady was enjoyable. It is so to speak, a snapshot in time, when you were with a specific lady. A recommendation doesn't compare one lady against all others. It is just about the encounter you had with a specific lady. In the case when you answer a question, "can you recommend a____" (fill in the blank) you can answer based on your experience. For instance, if the question was can you recommend a spinner, you can answer by providing names of all spinners you have seen and had good encounters with. Also, quite often, when those questions are asked, the poster will say you can PM me. But asking who the very best lady is you saw. Well if one lady is the best, by inference it can be taken to mean by the other ladies they were worse. Even though their names not mentioned, those ladies will feel offended by not being named in this list. I'm not a ladies man, no Romeo, not great with lines. But this much I do know about women. What lady doesn't like to be complimented and flattered. And how uncomplimentary and unflatteirng it must be to not be included on a client's "who's the best" list. Even if not public, the ladies not listed may be offended and hurt. Like I said, I truly believe the thread was started with the best of intentions but would imho cause hurt for many unnamed ladies My take on the subject RG

If an SP does that, she needs to do a reality check and realize we don't own our clients. If a client comes to see me and I know I provide a good service, he will repeat. Then if he expresses a desire to see someone else, I encourage him and even make suggestions for SPs who I think would be a good fit. If he has a good experience with them, he's likely to see me again anyways. And if the SP finds it positive as well, she will in turn refer me to others. If a client is determined to see other ladies, there is nothing I can do to stop him, but if I can recommend someone to him who I think he'll click with, I do not hesitate to do so. I'd rather send the business to someone I know will give him good service than to dissuade him thinking I can keep him to myself and him possibly having him go to see someone regardless and possibly have a bad experience. Appreciative clients and SPs will always make sure they let me know they are grateful even if it's just a simple "thank you". Recently I have been the recipient of been treated to dinner, two road trips, reiki treatment, clothing donation, gift cards, and referrals. The only time I might have a problem is if a client promised to see me and cancelled the appointment in favour of another lady. That might sting, but hey it happens as well. Additional Comments: I am so glad that I have you as my "neighbour" in Orleans. You are one of the classy ones!

Three weeks ago in Kentucky I came across the aftermath of an accident.A Truck Driver had a heart attack went off the road and slammed into a bridge support at full speed,he hit the support so hard it actually bounced the fully loaded truck back 5 feet leaving the front axle against the bridge support,needless to say the Driver is no longer amongst the living. Two Truck Drivers who were passing the wreckage started having a conversation on the C.B. about another accident that happened the night before in Cincinnati.Traffic came to a stop on the Interstate a Truck Driver didn't notice until it was to late and slammed into the back of another truck at full speed.The force of the impact shoved the other truck 10 feet into the back of another truck.The impact had shoved the radiator up under the dash and it looked like the back of the trailer was sitting in the driver's lap.Fortunately he lived, but will spend the rest of his life without his legs. Last week I came across an accident in Alabama involving a car.The car went off the road missing a guard rail that probably would have saved this persons life and slammed into a bridge support.I passed by as they were just loading the body bag into the ambulance and a State Trooper was looking through a backpack for some sort of I.D. That's just a small sample of what I've seen in 7 1/2 years of Truck Driving. I spend 99% of my time alone in this stupid fucking truck doing a thankless job. MY POINT...If I actually get home alive and in one piece any SP I call who can take me out of my PATHETIC REALITY for an hour is #1 in my books. I don't think you ladies fully understand what your service means to some off us.Personally there are no words to describe it. I THANK YOU ALL. Your all #1 to me.

I love wearing different styles and colors but my favorite panties would be the g-string style such as I'm wearing in this picture. What are your favorite styles and colors?

I gave out way too much reputation today so it will not allow me to do so anymore hence the quote reply - this is excellent advice!

My struggle with the forces of good vs evil. I noticed a little flag of nail/skin on my right-hand pinky. Hmm. Don't like that. Don't like that at all. I have a grooming protocol that compels me to keep things clean, neat, clipped, tidy and organized. My brain immediately goes into grooming mode. "Peel the thing off - get rid of it - don't have any loose things hanging about". Yeah, that's the ticket! I wouldn't exactly call it a personality disorder although some professionals may disagree. It's just my own...protocol (I don't know what else to call it fer God'sake). I haven't lived these many years to ignore the signs of impending doom. I know something about consequences. I look at this innocent blemish & I say to myself: "Nah, this isn't anything to worry about - go ahead, peel it off". My encourager happens to be my evil angel (dressed in red btw) sitting on my left shoulder. My primitive lizard mind tells me something about survival. I'm going to regret something. I ignore the warning for the moment. I hear a faint whisper from the fog in the distance. My good angel who sits on my right shoulder (hands clasped together in a prayer mode & dressed in virgin white robes) earnestly and calmly says: "Don't do it asshole". I hesitate. Then I go ahead and do the stupidest thing in the world. I grasp the flap of skin and slowly peel backwards. ow ow OW Jeez, does it have to hurt this much? And what's with all that blood?! So, I got the hangnail. I also got a big boo-boo. I still haven't learned anything cuz' I'm gonna do it again. My kid is making fun of me. Why do I do this crap?

I know I'm not from Winnipeg :-) but likely you'll find hotels by the airport would have day rates. Quite often travellers don't need a hotel for a complete day, but would like a room for a few hours to rest in between flights RG

Uber crappy weekend! Started Friday when my ex's cat, whom I also lived with for several years, and whom was the only cat I was ever able to love (I'm a dog person) had to be put down. The old bugger is in kitty heaven now :( But it was ok, because my long time best friend, who moved far away last year, was visiting for a couple days. So seeing him was sure to cheer me up. Was supposed to hang out today.....but alas I wake up this morning, with all kinds of fever, chills and hot flashes....coughing up all kinds of unmentionable.....stuff. Nasal cavity completely blocked, which means I have to resort to breathing from my mouth....which is only making me cough more. Oh and all the coughing has given me a splitting headache.....so yeah. The only chance I had to hang out with my best friend while he's in town is a bust. Which has me super bummed. Also, seeing my family tomorrow is also out for the same reason. And I haven't seen my Dad in way too long...I miss my Poppa.. Lastly, I was feeling extra frisky yesterday (and still am) and was looking forward to enjoying every spare moment of my long weekend that wasn't dedicated to friends and family to its fullest and wettest ;) Even dipped into my savings a tiny bit (only a tiny bit), something which I never do, to help me spoil myself a bit. Also something I hardly ever do. But I don't think anyone can possibly be as unattractive as I am right now... So yeah....what was shaping up to probably be one of the best weekends ever as turned into a total pity party hosted by yours truly....... Sooooo......hug me?.... Now? pretty please? But make it brief! I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.

17 Stages To Cooking a Turkey [--]Go buy a turkey [--]Take a drink of whisky [--]Put turkey in the oven [--]Take another 2 drinks of whisky [--]Set the degree at 375 ovens [--]Take 3 more whiskys of drink [--]Turk the bastey [--]Whisky another bottle of get [--]Ponder the meat thermometer [--]Glass yourself a pour of whisky [--]Bake the whisky for 4 hours [--]Take the oven out of the turkey [--]Floor the turkey up off of the pick [--]Turk the carvey [--]Get yourself another scottle of botch [--]Tet the sable and pour yourself a glass of turkey [--]Bless the dinner and pass out

I read the previous thread, I see nothing wrong with asking questions of others, and the question was fine, and I do think that some gents have favourites, maybe not just one, but perhaps a small handful. As to general protocol, I think if you are asked a question, and you don't personally feel you can or want to answer it, because you don't want to be in an awkward position, then the easiest thing to do is just not reply. It is not like you have to reply to every thread. Maybe we should think of the general motto of the board, "if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing", and apply that more broadly than just the recommendations. Just my perspective on things.

I can understand where the MOD is coming from closing it. Who was right and who was wrong was irrelevant at that point-human beings are often sensitive creatures and we are dealing with physical intimacy here. As much as we are all adults, once certain words are said or feelings perceived, there is sometimes no going back. It looked as though the misunderstanding was snowballing and growing more and more personal. Best to bury it before things got out of hand further. Again, this doesn't look like a matter of free speech so much as protecting people on both sides of the issue from themselves. Many of us have seen threads begin innocently and then spiral into absurdity and degenerate into name calling, sometimes with members being suspended. My advice is to let it rest.

Looks like I'm spoken for, ha ha. But just to make it official; I offer duos with Nathalie Lefebvre and Gabriella Laurence.

I have one of those mini cupcake makers :) they're great! I love just whipping up some muffins or even doing cupcakes for birthdays and social gatherings :) its hard to find the mini muffin liners though....

Never had anything like this. I've seen the odd tale of woe posted here, but it's not something I've ever encountered. Quite the opposite, in fact... I've seen a couple of ladies because other ladies told me I should (and those recommendations were good, as it turned out). I honestly can't see why any SP could reasonably complain about a client seeing other SPs. After all, she probably sees other clients...

couldn't agree more. that's why that guy was getting so mad because a topic was started about a winnipeg topic and outside people started comment on things that don't concern them and next thing you know it ends up being boring same old problems and topic. i would suggest just checking to see who others from winnipeg have recommend alot and pick one of them. if you are just looking for a basic cbj or and cfs then you shouldn't have any problem with that. id stay to ec. lots of great girls to chose from. diamond rae would be a great girl to see but lots to pick from.

Come to Ottawa there's a few of us SAFE GFE's kicking around :)

Something else, expecting exclusivity from a gentleman in what is by nature a poly amorous lifestyle is somewhat, well, creepy. Especially when I don't think that lady would recipricate and be exclusive to the gentleman Monogomy is reserved for relationships, not for this lifestyle Expecting one way monogomy is nothing short of selfish This lifestyle is by nature poly amorous, on both sides. And ladies should be happy if gentlemen find other companions who make them happy. Likewise gentlemen should be happy if the ladies they see also see other gentlemen who are good clients for the ladies RG

Ok so I know this thread is CERB Vs BP but heres something I've run into. I just learned of NR. How? You may ask. Well I've had customers contacting me from St John telling me that they have seen me on there and it says my location is St John. SO today I pop on over there and I see my pics posted up under a profile by the name of Sunshine. So I definitely contacted them. Last week I had posted on BP describing myself as a ray of Sunshine, its the only place this info could have come from. I'm not necessarily mad about it but I would like to be the one to be able to access my own info and make sure it is right.

Almost forgot about her...I saw her at to/eb a few times and once while she was on EC...Your exactly right about her being able to be in Playboy...I've told a few people that...I heard she did take some heat about that whole email thing...I did see her at to/eb after that and she did seem pretty sorry about it...I was on that list of email address and it didn't bother me that much...It was just a mistake and I'm sure everyone has a special email address for those sort of things...It sounded like she got some pretty nasty emails and phone calls about it and that's why she went back to TO/EB and quite EC...After reading all the crazy comments on this thread I can see how that would happen...I think she went by a different name at TO/EB but not sure what it was...I'd be interested as well in finding out if she is still working there or not...Haven't been in awhile but might be time for a visit. Additional Comments: I hear what your saying and I am sorry if your feels were hurt...This thread wasn't meant to hurt anyones feelings...especially all the wonderful SP's that are in Winnipeg, Canada or even the world for that matter...That's why I started this thread the way I did by saying how many wonderful SP's there is in Winnipeg (because I thought it was going to be a Winnipeg thread about Winnipeg SP's)...The thread is titled "who's the best?"...My meaning on that was who do you think is the best SP (in Winnipeg but if people want to say who they think is the best where they are from and don't want to start a thread there then by all means tells us who you think is the best)...It's not saying who the worst is or who is not good...The reason why I said the best was because if I wanted to know who was good I would just look who was recommended and this thread would fill up like all the rest do with the same names over and over again...The best wasn't meant by just the hottest or whatever it was a combination of everything that person feels makes the best SP for them...I thought I would get a lot of...I pick so and so because for me she is and did this and that is what make me happy...It wasn't to hurt any girls feelings that didn't make the list and I'm sure that if there name doesn't appear it's because their clients don't use this site...I think all the SP's have something wonderful to offer and if they weren't great at what they did then they wouldn't be able to make a living at it right?...It's just like anything else in life. Also I don't know why it would hurt anyone's feelings because if you go online to these sort of chat rooms or twitter you can talk about who the best hockey player is or baseball player or DR. or dentist or lawyer or porn star or actor or pretty much anything and I've seen a lot of nasty nasty things said on them...this wasn't meant to be mean and nothing bad was said about any SP. You guys are right about freedom of speech and I truly believe in that...I feel if you don't agree with my comments then that's fine and that is what makes this a great COUNTRY...What I don't understand is why you don't just start a new thread discussing why this one is so wrong rather than jumping on this one and saying why it's so bad and wrong...doesn't make a lot of sense to me but what do I know...It would be nice to have the ability to have our freedom of speech and be able to talk about a topic that is interesting to us...whoever us is. I truly am sorry thou if I was mean to you or anyone else and I really don't want this to get out of hand...I would really like to get back to the topic at hand but if anyone feels that they need to keep adding to this with their own views then by all means...FREEDOM OF SPEECH! SORRY AGAIN...that's not meant jokingly either...I do mean it! PEACE

Some things should be privately messaged to people who are inquiring and I do believe that this experience should not have been made public. Just because you say ''It was a great experience dont get me wrong BUT" doesn't justify the wrongful comments you made that are clearly against the CERB etiquette policy of if you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all...

None on par with CERB. But if you could be specific as to the state you are visiting, (city too if you are comfortable), I may be of help. Also do you want a Forum style site, like CERB or is a reputable advertising site sufficient? One that does not allow false photos, B&S, etc. Lastly, in the U.S., Law Enforcement is a very real concern for both Hobbyists & SPs. References or a Date Check/P411 membership are mandatory for most ladies. Especially the reputable ones. Sandi P.S. In case there is a concern, any site that I reference or suggest would under no circumstances be one that is in direct competition with CERB. It's why I asked what state he was visiting so as to qualify my response accordingly. No one alluded otherwise, but I thought I should clarify. Sandi

Stacey is my pick. Don't know if alot of guys remember her or not but she was on EC about 2 or maybe even 3 years ago. Really sexy girl that could have been in playboy. The hottest girl that I have ever seen. She made a mistake and sent out a email to everyone on her list and other girls list she was working with and some how showed everyones email address to each other or something like that and that was it for her on EC. I saw her the next day and she felt really bad about it and I thought she got a pretty bad deal. I saw her at EB before and after EC but not sure if she still works there or not. If anyone knows if she still works there let me know. My pick is based on just how hot she was. I agree with twointhepick if you dont want to answer the question asked then go to another topic and leave us alone. Also great pick on Nicole. One of the best

I want people to be with me because they truly desire my companionship, not because I've created an environment where they don't feel safe to explore with other providers. I think the CERB community is truly beautiful in that sense. Of course when a regular patron decides to see someone else I have a little moment of "ah..." but it usually lasts no more than a couple moments. When the moment passes I move on to being happy for them and the provider in question. I think that's simply a normal human emotion... It's not the feelings themselves we should be concerned about, but rather, how we manage those feelings. In these instances 'grace' seems to be the most appropriate response. Also, I would never (ever) sabotage a reference, or engage in catty behaviour. This is about safety and solidarity amongst services providers, and for me, that's of the utmost importance.

...is... Amelia! She's a very talented MA. She's lots of fun to be with. She's sexy as hell. Her posts on here are always worth reading. What more do you want? Another pic, you want? Okay, that I can do...

for something new on the pumpkin pie i do an upside down pumpkin cake thats awesome really well received and i,ve done mashed cauliflower with cream cheese thats really good -last year was prime rib roasted fall veggies yorkshire pudding and pomegranite salad with strawberries and blueberries for the app hot goat cheese with fresh tomato salsa-best compliments ever except one son who,s a turkey traditionalist- if you want the recipes just ask-d

What constitutes a real job? There should be no 'constituting'. A job done for services rendered equals money. End of story. And for those who don't think this is a real job, I swear I wish there was some kind of reality show for behind the scenes of our jobs and how we do it. I would be the star of that show! Some of the shit I have and still have to put up with, many of you would be amazed. Like running around for a pair of white thigh highs for a clothing request and you can't find them anywhere and when you do, the store doesn't accept credit cards!! And you have to be at incall location in under 15 mins before client shows up. And some of the things that are funny that clients never see. Like one time where I worked with another SP and she literally rushed in the condo coming from University with her regular streetclothes on. She saw her regular walking towards the building and somehow she got in the elevator before him. She made a mad dash to get changed but she had these knee high boots on and also had to get her tight jeans off. She was holding onto the door knob and I had her two legs like a wheel barrel in order to pull the boots and jeans off and the guy was already buzzed up.lol. I don't know how her and I did it but frantically, I threw a little outfit at her, she jumped in it and away she went. Meanwhile I was stuck in the other room for an hour. Clients never see things like that because once at the door, the pros have a smile on their face like they've just been waiting all day for you. Yeah right....lol. I don't sit around an incall location all day that isn't mine. Try booking an appt when you're working at home for another business and most clients of mine want right now or 20 mins later... So I know that if I want to make money that day the following is what's going to happen... Shower 3 mins....that is if you have waxed your legs and lady parts in advance and first client of the day before you even have a real chance to get ready because the positive part of it is clients are blowing up your phone at 9 am wanting to see you. Throw on lingerie ( sometimes incredibly difficult outfits where you have hooks to attach the stockings to and they never want to hook in properly), trow on sweat pants, t-shirt or little dress with no bra. Run for the door... hair is still wet by the way and not combed... no makeup... the makeup happens while you are driving and at all red lights. Including brushing of the hair. It takes 10 mins to get there so you are going a fast pace down the road passing cars and cutting them off including everyone and their mother while trying to put a fake eyelash on as part of a customer request. You park, run to incall location because you don`t want customer pulling up only to see you outside looking like you just swam the English Channel in track pants because the hair is still soaking wet. And worse in winter when you get isicles in it. You swing the front door open in a mad dash, your friend throws you mouthwash. You ask her if the bed is made like she was your maid. You race to take off the dowdy sweat pants, and now here is where the transformation begins... Check makeup.... blowdry hair a little just so you don't look like a drowned rat.... Don`t forget that I have long blonde hair that will one day be almost down to my ass so this is a big time consumer every frikken day! Next, check to see if you actually look good. You look for heels.. nowhere in sight. You yell at your friend to get the shoes.. by this time she appears to be my personal assistant or a gopher for a diva queen celebrity for the way I yell at her to get me my stuff...she throws them up from downstairs hallway and ends up hitting me in the head. BTW, the client already has the address and is about to walk up to the door. At this point, all of this has happened in less than 5 mins and the doorbell rings. . you race for the stairs and then bam. You trip and fall in 6 inch heels. You get up and dust yourself off and open the door with a smile like nothing ever happened and secretly praying to Jesus that your ankle won't be broken...And the appt hasn't even begun yet. True story.. The above is a day in the life of me when I'm working and not just this job since having another home business on the side. And try doing this a couple of times a day back and forth and (may not get paid in case they decide to stand you up with no notice beforehand) in the middle of it dealing with bullshit with other things in your life with running a household, family, other businesses. Everyone deals with bullshit on the job..just different versions of it. If what I go through above in the process of scheduling an appt doesn't coincide with what is considered a real job, I will tell people to blow it our their dittybag because I work hard! However I still enjoy what I do minus doofus' and morons as the good clients overrule them. I also get to the call the shots, how I run my business, I find ways to minimize bullshit and have gained quite a bit of experience ( and not just laying on my back) to deal with different customers, their personalities and their quirks. Sometimes, as in any customer service job, I swear I could blow a lid with the way a few in the minority present themselves to me. Instead, I shift gears to turn a situation around since I have become so accustomed to dealing with irrate people and situations on other jobs. . And then you just bitch to any other SP friend that will listen. lol. This job is often a walk in the park when it comes to dealing with people. I find that I am multifaceted and can adjust to any type of personality that comes my way. And then there is the business aspect of it... marketing. So far, I think I can give myself a pat on the back because I do go beyond customer expectations by treating the customer than just better. I go the extra mile for them. You learn a lot of things on this `` job`` and have no problem with it. I'm comfortable with the job, my sexuality and most importantly... me!

I know Madison. She's a friend of mine. She's open minded, but not a mindless body open to simple, brutal abuse. She has to be respected for the style of service she offers. BDSM opens up a whole world of world of pleasurable possibilities, but it also invites unwelcome expectations. Please be gentle and respectful if booking a session. And as always, protect your sub. If you do protect your sub as your most treasured possession, you will most likely be invited back for more fun. I may sound over-protective, but she's a sweet soul.

Big hugs to you Gabby. Hope the rest of the month goes much better leading into a fantastic October.

Big Hugs for Gabby from me ......Lee ! mmm mmm mmm feel the squeeze ! Feel better Red ! and a hug too from my other brother Darryl ;)

A great big hug to Gabriella!