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The sp only access ladies currently can not see hidden profiles but this is causing issues with verification, because of this council has voted and we would like to grant any verified sp (sp only access) the ability to view hidden profiles (to help with the screening process) so this announcement is to let veryone know that in a few weeks (if we can get this working) the sp only ladies will be able to view private profiles (for screening and security). This way no "bad" clients can hide from sp only ladies. If anyone has questions or objects you can pm me or comment.

Almost definitely shyness and uncertainty. I bet if you asked hundred guys around here if they found it sexy to watch a woman touch herself, you'd get 103 responses of an emphatic "YES!" But ask those same guys if they think it turns women on to watch men touching themselves and you'll probably get "maybe", "for some...sure perhaps," "I suppose" and the ever popular "uhh..." Guys aren't great for knowing what looks sexy with them or not. And if an act may make them look silly, they're probably not going to risk it. But with a bit of encouragement... Also, I daresay a lot of us guys have spent our fair share of time touching ourselves, and so when there's an enticing, willing woman before us, our first (and second and third) thoughts of where we want our hands to go is probably not our own body. :)

Watching a man jerk off I think is very erotic, it turns me on! Yet I find a lot of men reluctant to do this when visiting, why? Is it shyness, do some feel its a waste, meaning, they want the woman to do all the touching? Mutual masturbation can be a lot of fun, can't it?

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I know there are threads on here about different types of guilty pleasures, but I can't recall there being one about films. So... what are those films that you just love to watch and watch again? Not necessarily your ATF films... but the ones you usually watch alone, cause you're kind of embarrassed that someone would know you like it? I was just browsing TMN OnDemand and found City of Angels. I tried to convince myself to watch something I know is better... but I kept coming back to it. So screw it, I'm watching it, and will sit here and happily cry my eyes out at the cheeseball ending. Other totally guilty pleasure films include: Clueless; Bring it On; Legally Blonde; Josie and the Pussycats; Drop Dead Gorgeous; Wild Things; and Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the movie with Luke Perry... oh yes).

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Good point! The whole equation changes if this card is active in my play area:

If the lady has another lady in the apartment for her safety and security (which btw is one possible method ladies could use to protect themselves) it would completely defeat the purpose of having that person there if you were told she was there. Some guys have concerns about b&s, revealing personal information to a companion through verification/screening, and so on. But the ladies have even bigger concerns, their safety. They are being alone intimately with a man they don't know. They just want to make sure their safety and security is ensured that's all. From reading your posts, I'm guessing that this is what the second lady was there for. And how would you have reacted if you knew someone else was in the apartment when you showed up. The only way I can see a lady using a second person in her apartment for security, is if that person is there discretely RG

I never use this term in my advertising, for one reason - without fail, when a man texts me and asks if I'm open-minded, his follow-up question is if I offer BBFS. I am serious in this, without fail. So I hate this term, and will never, ever use it in my advertising. I am not saying that girls who use this term offer that service, I am NOT saying that at all - but just that to me personally, the term makes me get my back up and I don't like it. I guess my post is mostly a tip to the gents, lol - I would refrain from asking a girl if she is open-minded. If you want something specific, just ask - I think most girls in this business ARE open-minded enough to listen to your request and answer without judgement.

As someone who changes their look/hairstyle/attire/etc quite often, I can attest that I sometimes feel awkward/shy about posting older pictures. For example, my hair is currently dark and medium length, but a lot of my pictures show me with short blonde hair. While I hesitate to post these pics with my ads for this very reason, it also kind of irks me; my face, body and general style are the same. The woman you see in those pictures is still ME, I just happen to have a different hairstyle for the moment. That doesn't mean I'm trying to dupe people into thinking I'm something I'm not. Furthermore, it makes things difficult for someone like me who changes their hair often, because I almost feel trapped by the image I have posted here. I am a chameleon by nature, I don't like staying in the same style for too long. But then I have to start getting all these pro photos done every time I change my look so people don't start screaming "Bait and Switch!" or "You don't look like your pictures!" I mean, come on. I can see if I advertised with pictures of some 21-year old with an exotic look when I was really a 35-year old with an afro; but does hairstyle really account for THAT much of your decision-making process? If she looked generally the same as in her pictures minus the hair-do, I don't think that's grounds for a B&S - that's just a woman changing her hair.

Steve.., hair colour really...? that can happen over nigth..., even just a few hours before the encounter..., and sometimes is hard to keep posting pics all the time..., most of my pics have my old hair colour.. That doesnt make it a b n s, i have posted a few with new colour but have not really have the time to even take some new nice pics... Is not that pics are not recent... Like RG said... Did you enjoy the time together... I thinks thats most important... Remember also members here on CERB if they are find out to be posting fake pics they will get banned from the site,,, is part of the rules.... The face.., well we dont show it because as it has been said in may other threads..., we as providers have lives and friends and relatives that dont know and we dont want them to know.., so we need to protect our identities and like you hobbiest our privacy ;-) Bait and Switch is a risk that unfortunately everytime you may face.., specially when meeting new providers that have not yet made a reputation for themselves.... There is steps and resources you can use to decrease the chance..., but to be honest i dont think there is exact science... Like many others have always also said before..., trust your gut and if you feel something is nit right maybe is best to stay away..., or do like many other also do... Stick to known providers..., but then again you maybe missing on new wonderful and gems to meet...

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I agree with what Brad said. I would like to add if you asked I think the majority of us would certainly be willing to do what ever turned you on. I probably should just speak for myself in this case though. I been told (perhaps rightfully so) not to assume things. ;)

Some men that choose a provider think they are entitled to see them. Some men have the attitude that a provider should bend over backwards to accommodate them, because they have the money. In the many years I have been doing this I have learned a lot. Number 1 thing I learned is it is my choice to see whomever I like. I used to just see everyone that called. It was not always a good outcome working that way. I was tired, no connection, most were rude, pushy & overstepped boundaries. I am by no means racist & have gentlemen that see me from every race. Some of the best fellows I've seen have been EI. I have a certain EI that calls excessively & just doesn't get it when I say I'm busy or if he took the time to read my website he'd see when I'm available. I'm already angry with this person that still keeps calling & freaks on me because I don't answer his calls. Does he actually think that once he arrives to see me my pissed feelings will instantly disappear? I am not just saying it's the EI that do this. I have others text, even after I boldly state No Texts. Just another example is when I tell them I need a phone call they tell me they're taking their money elsewhere, because text is the only way he books. I also point out I see respectful gentlemen. I get a respond I am a gentleman & then he proceeds to tell me that I'm a moody person & it must be my time of the month. I think wow, really? You consider yourself a gentleman after being rude throwing that you'll take your money elsewhere. Then telling me you know I'm moody & aunt flo must be visiting. Funny cause when I had dealing's with this person I was in a great mood. :) So I guess my point being is that if a lady doesn't get a good feeling from you, she is not required to see you because you've chosen her. Since I have changed the way I take appointments my time being wasted is almost nil & I can provide a happy, fun experience. I appreciate when I get a fellow that is so super sweet & makes me love my job more then I already do. Remember it's how you treat the lady that will reflect on the type of service you'll get. She has obviously had a bad experience from the nationalities she refuses to see. But it is sad because they shouldn't be lumped into the same category as the one's that had her come to this conclusion. I would never put that in my ad, when she could just say she's busy. Perhaps even say that she doesn't think they will hit it off & wish him well finding a girl that he'll likely connect better with. I've been fortunate to have amazing men come into my life & everyday I seem to get to enjoy a new one. Whether he be brown, yellow, beige. As long as your initial contact with a lady isn't demanding & rude. Also understand that excessive calling doesn't get a provider to answer her phone quicker. When your a gentleman & choosing a good provider you should always treat them with respect & in the end your likely to be greatly rewarded ;) I'm not disagreeing with everything that wild thing is saying, but I wouldn't say this city is full of gangs & pimps. Unless I'm just lucky & because I am selective I don't get these type contacting me. It's not hard to figure a person & their personality out if they text & their is no real introduction, Just "R u Avail". Or "hey babe you available"(at 3:30am). Ignoring that type of initial contact is easy. Big thank you to the asian, black, EI, aborigial, & every other nationality that have been absolute gentlemen & treat the provider's with respect.

If you don't make it through the whole thing, I don't blame ya. So I'd like to thank everyone now. I really do appreciate you taking the time to throw your cents/sense in. Thank you, truly, to everyone who's come to my rescue and everyone who's got anything else to say for others in the future. I did indeed see someone else and it was beyond amazing. This second lady I saw was actually my first choice (things fell through) and the reason I chose her was because of the passion and consideration she seemed to give to her art. Whether it's music or boxing or architecture or whatever, doesn't matter, the people who will always be remembered as the best at anything are the ones who ask(ed), "What else can be done and how can I do what's been done better?" She seemed to do that, and god fucking bless anyone who takes that approach to anything. What was I talkin' about? Oh yeah! The waters were warm but, again, nothing happened. Saint beniger, who really has been an incredible pillar, thinks that the second flub might've had something to do with me not really eating or sleeping for the forty hours before the encounter. I created an experiment and tested his theory in a state-of-the-art laboratory. The results were inconclusive, but I'm staying positive. As far as flub #1 goes, I'm not down about that anymore, thanks to everyone here. Now I know that it definitely was, as a few of you have said, just a poor choice. It happens :icon_cool: Anyway, my second go at this was anything but a disappointment. It was a mind-bending experience and after some reflection, like a carpenter looking at a pile of lumber, I saw all of the incredible things that it could be. Not long into the hour, this girl, this unbelievably sweet and insightful girl, said with a big smile and sad eyes, "You just need love." It was so obvious to her but something I hadn't even considered because I have love, it's just out of town a lot... Alot :icon_sad: And when I realized how right she was and how lonely I was I got a bit weepy-eyed. We spent the rest of the time cuddlin' and talking. If someone had told me a week ago that I was just lonely I wouldn't be here, because I couldn't have imagined that an hour of anything with anyone would fix that. Right now, an hour of wanting and feeling wanted in the middle of a very lonely few weeks feels like it will always be enough to carry me through. I don't know yet if it's a cure or even true, but it's a wonderful feeling to know that if I'm lonely I don't have to be. Even though the best hour that I can imagine still probably isn't even close to as good as reality permits I won't do it as often as I could, but I'll certainly do it often as I need to. (More thanks coming up. I was worried that if all of this was at the beginning people would stop reading before they got to the meat) That's just a general response to some of what's been posted. I don't have much to say in my private life. Here, I can't shut up. I wanted to respond to every individual and every individual thing that's been said. That's how this post started but it got way too long. Poor beniger's been listening to my rants and revelations since Saturday. So this is a shout-out to that guy. Props? Is props still a thing? Either way, awesome dude. Anyway, I've read everything everyone has written and thought about it all. And when things were repeated I got to think about those things again with a brain that was a bit better than the one I had the last time I'd thought about it. With all of my heart, thank you.

I def think a hair style must enhance the face structure. Otherwise, to me, it's just a style with no purpose. It's like combining disparate colours to walls - for ex/ green & blue in your living room. Sure, some Architects say it works, but boy, do they ever have to do some fancy dancing to convince people. Keep it simple IMO. A purposeful hairstyle is one that defines your character. It's a purposeful combination of colour, length, shape and maybe even texture (beads, waves, curls, etc). I gotta confess a weakness for short hair on ladies. I love to caress skin & I think the head has to be one of the most sensitive pleasure zones. Do you ladies have the "skull" to shave it all off?

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It's our reward for having to put up with PMS :-| and that time of the month every freaking single month for SO many years and for being the only ones to be able to have babies ;) lol You just reminded me... I have to go :biggrin:

So interesting how people think in different cities, I am known for being open minded but only once was I ever asked for BBFS. I do advertise as open minded and a fantasy granter. Almost all my requests that some would consider "out of the norm " are mostly role play that hurts no one and can really be a lot of fun. I am not sure if geography, big cities or many more providers per capita brings out the rudeness and Gaul, lol perhaps a study someday is in order.

I posted this in the "New to this area" as well. I went through 3 pages of Ottawa only section of recommendations, there was 6 rec's that were BUMPED to page 1 due to general comments, over the past week alone. In fact one recommendation has been closed on a lady that was on here for quite sometime but has been retired for over a year or more now. So this was my post in the area, and should be posted here too...... When posting a recommendation, a) Ensure permission from the lady is granted along with her photo's, and ensure that the details are either not shared with everyone,or if she does allow details feel free to do so. b) If she is a lady from BP or what ever other site, ensure you give as much info on how you found her. c) Posting a picture IF it is a Rec thread starter for the lady and if she is an Cerb member with pictures on her profile. Right click on her picture you and her like to use for the replacement over the regular check mark. Save the photo to your pictures, than add it where it tells you to upload the picture. (For your own safety, simply delete photo from your saved photos so you have no evidence in your photo liabary folder). You can also ask permission from the lady if the thread is already started, and add a picture by right clicking on her photo, and you add it in your comment box, which gives appeal to the recommendation. d) Recommendations threads are just that, to recommend to others, it is NOT an area where You think it is alright to ask questions about a lady in recommendation thread. Example Clicking on the bottom to respond to a thread Recommendation, to ask..... 1) How do I get in touch with her? (Info should be provided already) 2) She have a web site? (If she has one there is box to insert web sites look first on the first page) 3) Oh she sounds like a lady I like to meet!(general comments should not be used in recommendation, it simply BUMPS the recommendation to the first page) 4) What is her rates? (rates should not be discussed unless already in her web site or ad, BUT this question is already answered in the information provided) 5) Where is she located? (If the city is noted than you know where she is located) 6) Please do not make general comment in Recommendation that you saw this lady a year ago, things have changed in a year especially if she has RETIRED! There is many other general comments made lately in recommendations which is truly unnecessary and not needed as that we call BUMPING. Information already provided in the recommendation PAGE 1, will answer your questions, IF NOT simply PM (Personal Message) the lady or the gent that provided the recommendation IF YOU NEED FURTHER information. Lately there is has been many BUMPS which are UNFAIR to those ladies that may have had moved from say....page 4 to page 1 then they are quickly off page 1 because of general unnecessary comments. Perhaps this a bit of a rant from myself, but I think the playing field should always be FAIR to ALL LADIES on the board. MOD if you have anything to add, please say so..I would not even mind in the board gave infractions for BUMPING by general comments. As I know that ladies are NOT allowed to comment on their own Recommendation, than why is it allowed by gents that simply do not use the search buttons? or will not send PM'S? and they make comments on a recommendation thread that has no merits? I could be off base, but that is my thoughts and I'm sure some will not appreciate this thread, but something should be done IMHO.

This situation can easily be addressed in your ads. I know I do when I change my style whether it's be the length or when I go from a deep dark red (like in my pictures) to a more strawberry blonde type of red... You can also mention it on your website. I know and understand that a lot of people do not always read ads or websites fully but at least you have something to fall back on if you are ever accused of B&S because of your hair. Also inform your gentleman when he is making an appointment. This way you will avoid any potential and maybe unpleasant reaction from him. As always, communication is key. Could you imagine having to go through a new professional photoshoot every time we make a change? That would be insanely expensive and time consuming!

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I envy the women who can pull of both short and straight hair and rock it. I need to find a hairstylist with vision and flair. I've always wanted to have blue hair like some of the sexy anime characters, the closest I've gotten is a blue wig. lol. I love my red though, it's so me! Honestly, when it comes to hair, I'm an idiot. It's fun to watch me try though.

So I took one for the team... 24/7 agency? I was assured prior to the appointment by a man on the phone that it would not be a bait and switch situation after I warned him I would leave if it was. Well it was a bait and switch but whats worse is this girl was obviously not in a good place. She tried to make small talk and stuff and it was just really bad. I could tell she was struggling with addiction. She had that emptiness about her. The apartment was filled with smoke. There was weed out on the table. It was a truly Disgusting scene. I turned and left. Makes me sick how people can be exploited this way. 24/7 agency = very bad. Stay away.

I think the beauty of not having a "menu" (like a restaurant menu for pizza and toppings lol), is that we can go with the flow during the time spent together and enjoy various sexy activities within the established boundaries. Your personal preferences for the encounter can always be discussed in private... A great thing about ladies who have an all-inclusive donation is that you never have to pay extra (except for Greek) for some things that might be considered "out of the norm" or considered a fetish (sometimes it's not) because you are paying for the lady's time. The old "I only want xyz, can I pay a reduced rate" is never popular with the ladies ;) Time is time no matter what you do during that time. Back to pleasure, masturbating, watching, being watched and orgasms :)

I'm not a full service player and I do it often with sp's and most the girls quite liked it and offered a hand and lips here and there. Apparently I'm quite a squirter lol. Peace Mg

Last sentence is perfect. But I could see myself doing it, if it turns her on.

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So it does sound like you were all the way out the door, door closed and locked behind you, before you heard what appeared to you, from all the way outside, two different people laughing. What I am sensing tho from this is you are also assuming that the sps were making a joke at your expense and laughing at you and about you. What you are missing is that there is a very good chance that once the door closed behind you, you were not the topic of conversation or humour. If the hair was a concern, you could have simply asked her about it. Oh, your pics showed very long black hair. Give her a chance to come up with a reason for the difference, and you can also say it was a reason for your choice. Many guys love long hair, and specific styles of hair, it is a valid reason for asking. I think that if everything went well in the session, and the 2nd person (you assume) was not intrusive or noticeable before and during and even at the point of exit, that this is the best possible way that someone can share their space and/or be working with a safety person at the same time. I think, to the point of you being actually outside, they (if there were really 2 people) did everything they could to reassure you of both privacy and discretion. You didn't see a 2nd person, and she didn't see you, both of you have retained your privacy in other words. There seems to be a small move for sps to tell clients that they have another person in the suite when they arrive, particularly another sp, for the reason of safetly. It might even be that there is no other person there, but the sp with a first time client wants him to think she has backup close by in case he gets any ideas. The reality is that some sps in some places see more bad date types of guys, and sometimes we get reports that there are people out there targeting sps. Even if it is not physical harm, there are some guys who deliberately make appointments in order to steal from sps. So for those sps, and some of us as well, a huge red flag to me is a new caller asking am I alone. I'd rather they don't ask, because I have to ask myself then, why does he want to know that?? I also am likely to turn down someone who sounds either overly paranoid (the sort who assumes someone is hiding in the closet or bathroom, very annoying), or up to something. We just don't take the chance on a new client, in other words, especially when, as even your story shows, you entered, enjoyed and left without being any the wiser about the 2nd sp. It was only after the fact it became an issue, and even then, imo, it isn't an issue.

I know your post meant well as you are complementing this sp by wanting a repeat visit- BUT- Just a reminder-PEASE DO NOT print anyone's locale-past or present!! You could put someone in harms way. Even just the vicinity is tmi!

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Happy Birthday to my lovely neighbour. I hope we get to meet someday. In the meantime enjoy your special day and may it be filled with people and the special times you love!!

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Quick question and quick point. Did you enjoy your encounter with the lady while you were there? And maybe there was a second lady in the apartment, but she could have been this lady's security as you point out...someone who can phone the police if an encounter goes south. Also, the lady may just have changed her hairstyle that's all. Not saying there wasn't b&s, but it may not have been b&s, you may have seen the lady you booked an encounter with RG

Always, Jabba. Always. *bows head* That was... profound. All hail Jabba! Obviously. With capes and masks... I thought you knew I was a chi-eating sexubbus from another dimension who grew up poor due to my Superhero father running (rather, flying) out on me while still an infant, raised a lowly peasant by my mother who was a mere mortal??? Doggy style. Sans capes. Also, "Superhero Style"; we corkscrew while hovering in the air with our super-awesome powers. Like a figure-8, with more skin and vigorous humping.

I would stop. When I decided, less than two years ago, to get my licence and buy a car, I did so after losing a friend in a hit-and-run accident. I finally felt I was ready to take on the responsibility of driving, because I would NEVER do what that bitch did to my friend. Driving is something I take very seriously. I obey every stop sign/traffic light/etc, and not for fear of traffic cops, but because WHAT IF a person or animal jumped out and something bad happened. If I had to look back and say 'If only I'd stopped at that stop sign, this wouldn't have happened', I couldn't live with myself. I *did* hit a deer and wreck my car earlier this year - but I was going the speed limit, looking straight ahead, doing everything I was supposed to. So, my attitude was, shit happens, but at least I know I wasn't at fault, and there was no way I could look back and say 'If I'd done this differently, that wouldn't have happened'.

I don't find this site's rules discourage me (probably others too) from being here. Actually I find that the rules and the policies and the efforts made by Mod and Council make CERB the positive board it is and has me using this site exclusively. And my experiences in this lifestyle have been good and positive. I really don't see what is confusing about this website, it seems pretty straightforward to me...mind you I have been here since Feb 2010. But in fairness you are new to the board and it may take a bit of time to get comfortable with the format and knowing the rules. But seeing as you are new and apparently unfamiliar with CERB format and rules you shouldn't be criticizing policies which CERB has found to work, and keeps this community having a positive atmosphere, instead of the free for all found in some other boards. Complaining about the rules of a board you chose to join really doesn't make sense. If you didn't like CERB's policies why did you join. And posting publicly about your dislike about CERB's policies when you are new certainly doesn't get you started off on the right foot. RG

I love to many to name and it really does depend on the person. Some people-men and women can really rock very short hair, some long and mid length. So long as it flatters the person it'll look attractive to my eye, long, short or in between. But I will say I do love a woman who's beauty and confidence is strong enough to wear a really short do:)

sounds like Emerald...Italian Morrocan mix, slender , looks kinda Lebanese...she has a great personality..usually they say that about plain girls, but she is also a stunning beauty..she was new in spring...I've been watching her evolve into an exquisite beauty..still a teenager too...

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one word...Justine

Great thread, Phaedrus :) I wanted to address nlwoodchuck's post. I partially do agree with it, but I also wanted to add a different view. I think that it would actually benefit the lady to have a mixture of recommendations from both first time clients, and repeat clients. I do agree that it's beneficial for the reader to have an idea what it would be like to visit the lady for the first time, and what generally to expect. But, I also think that it would be good to have a sense of what it is like to be with the lady, after several visits too. Of course, anyone with common sense will know that everyone's experiences will vary (same as first time visits), but I think this kind of thing encourages repeat visits. Some lads get into the hobby thinking of the wonderful variety of women there is, and how awesome it is going to be to sleep with as many ladies as possible. Variety is indeed the spice of life, and I agree with this mantra myself, too. However, with this view only, it may be possible to neglect to consider how great the sessions can become with someone after you get to know each other. The comfort that comes with familiarity, learning what each other really likes, and letting your guards down. This comfort can lead to a wonderful intimacy, that simply often is not felt on first time visits. I love to meet new people, but I have many regular clients who I truly look forward to seeing. I have a sense of comfort in having met them before, knowing what to expect, and knowing how best to please them ;)

Well Frenchie ..... just because I like you and you are awesome ! I shall drink several drinks for you !! One for me...one for you....one for me .... one for you ... hope I don't double drunk ? ! ;) Ohhh the things I do for my friends ... haha