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Please add your name or nod to this thread as a show of strength for THE LIQUOR and as a force against that sob cancer that keeps invading his life. May all this positive energy help kick it out of his life for good!

Straw man argument, Loopie. The specific scenario of the 22 year old who is arrested for having sex with someone underage when they were lied to and had every reason to think the person was older--and had they known the truth they wouldn't have touched the person--is not what is being debated here. A lot of people would agree that enforcement of the law is flawed or at least problematic (assuming the older person can truly demonstrate they couldn't have known better). What most people are discussing, and I think you know this, is the issue of the older person who knows the other is not of the legal age of consent as it is currently defined. Where I--and I think some others--disagree with you is your assertion that: To my mind, once you cross the line of puberty, you are a sexual being capable of sexual desire and sexual functions and your sexuality should be yours to explore. Now, if all you mean is that these young people should have access to sex education (and not the unhelpful abstinence-only type advocated in so much of America but real education) that would be one thing. If you mean self-exploration, you likewise would have few people disagreeing with you (I doubt anyone here thinks young people should be ashamed of their bodies). Where I and others disagree is any suggestion that puberty alone is enough to warrant sexual exploration with others of any age. There is no practical test someone can write to demonstrate that they are mature enough for sex. If there was, no doubt some would pass it at an earlier age, just as others would likely go their whole life never making the grade! But the test doesn't exist. And let me emphasize, having reached puberty is not the test! Being physically capable of conceiving a child is no indication of emotional or mental readiness -- or indication that the person is ready to hop in the sack with someone twice their age who does likely know better. So all we as a society can do to protect people from predators is pick an age for consent that seems reasonable, based on what most people of a given age in our society have in terms of life experience and maturity. It may mean the occasional 15 year old who is just as mature and ready as most 19 year olds doesn't get to have a relationship with an older adult. But that is a fair trade off to ensure that the many more younger teenagers who would be taken advantage of by older adults are protected.

You make a criminal out of the 22 year old because if you don't, then you are also not making a criminal out of a 35 year old, or 45 year old or 55 year old. The girl is still 15. or 14, or apparently, 13, since according to the definition, only the 12 year olds are considered prepubescent and therefore off limits? See the difference? And yes, it doesn't matter how you spin it or how 'willing' the 15 year old is, there isn't enough life experience to make that informed consent. So you put the onus on the adult, the one over 5 years older than her, to be the one making the informed decision. From a female perspective, which is the assumption here, any interest in a 15 year old (as in a 15 year old who admits their age, not the 15 year old who tells the 22 year old she is 18 ) is predatory. On that note, as a 16 year old I was easily able to enter a licensed bar without ID check. As a 19 year old, I celebrated my 19th birthday in my favourite club, the one I'd been a regular at for over a year. I am not much of a drinker so it was about the dancing not the drinking lol. So i do forgive the 22 year old who is lied to , but if the 15 year old lies and says they are 18, I really don't forgive the 45 year old who pursues her.

Questions eh ? Welllllllllll Alllllllrighty then..... I got some dooozies What color are your brownies Mr T ? are they brown ? After 1 PM how long does it actually take you to get to the location ? What time does the bar open ? Where is the closest stable to book in my donkey for the night ? Am I gonna get hit by a car again when I cross the street after the social ? I am from the boonies. Due to there being 60 people are there lots of outhouses ? I pee Alotta when I drink Allotta ;) too much info there Will there be boobies there and if so am I allowed to look at them ? Not touch....LOOK ? If not do you supply sunglasses ? Been a loooong trip .... all I got left clean is my Mankini .... can I wear that ? Do you have Club beer there ? I hear it is always cold and old. and finally ..... Will you still allow me in the door ? ;) hehehe

Well..... unless there is a sticky note attached to the nipple saying ... "don't play with these tits" then IMO.....ALL BOOBS ARE BEST FOR PLAY :) Yay boobies !! Hip hip horray.

I'm voting for my own breasts...why? because they're big and heavy and have lovely hang with thick juicy nipples that are very sensitive and reactive and I love playing with them even if no one else does! lol *rawr*

:aggressif025: Fuck Cancer! :tresmauvaisehumeur: And not in a nice way! I hate hearing that a member of our community has to deal with cancer's shit! Stay strong, fight hard cause you're worth it. When you come out on the other side of this you can look back and say "I kicked Cancer's ass". :vf: I'm counting the days till I see your nominations for all the special CERB ladies.

Hey, Empty83 is right. His method of doubling or dividing in half is often a very quick way to have that pesky mis-posted entry jump of the page or computer screen particularly when you have a number of entries to go through. I'm not in Ottawa right now to help you in person but I'll offer any help I can via distance to help clear things up free of charge. Feel free to PM me if you like and I'll give you my email. Oh BTW...... I know that you mentioned trading services but I know there are lots of accounting tutors in Ottawa that will charge you MUCH less than your services are worth. You'll be better off to go that route IMO. Any tutor that's any good in a 1 on 1 session should be able to help you see things more clearly in 3 hours at maybe 40ish$ an hour.

Yeah, but the last line of Season 4 was Walt saying, "I won." You knew Breaking Bad would never leave the story there. Check back in after you've finished Season 5. ;)

By chance I met Salina... stopped into Paradise Spa and asked to see who was working. This beauty caught my eye and I'm glad she did. From the moment she entered the room she exuded sexuality. I couldn't take my eyes off this blonde bombshell. She teased with her words and her fingers. Her massage was fantastic, hitting all the right spots and reading my reactions. She played... "you don't want me to massage here do you" but I did! This added so much more to the experience. Then she asked me to turn over. The tease ended and the real fun began. Lots of attention where it was needed. So hot! So good! Sad it had to end... until next time... Check out her smoking hot new pics too!

Both Brad and roaminguy have explained my comments well. I am not sure what point loopie is trying to make by focusing on my comment, when the focus of that is a younger man (22) being lied to by the 15 year old who claims to be 18, and he believed her. He is looking to be with someone 18, not someone who is 15 in other words, even being 18 might make him question if she is too young for him. I forgive him for believing the lie that she told him in order to convince him she is old enough to date him, that there isn't much of an age gap between them. But 18 isn't the right age for a 35 plus year old to consider as a suitable dating companion. This has nothing to do with the sp/client relationship and their relative ages, fwiw. Only dating, BF/GF situations, which I consider open to more of an exploitive situation. When you take the 18 year old (as in the legal age to work as an sp and the legal age to provide consent to working as an sp) out of this discussion you are left with the 17 and unders, btw. If someone think it is appropriate to take advantage of the desire that is growing in the developing bodies and sexuality of a teenager, then they have to assume that others are going to see them either as predatory or emotionally immature. What you see in a 15 year old is the ability to have a crush on someone older. This is why there are laws against dating them, in order to give them time to get beyond school girl crush immaturity which will develop into mature adult relationship ability. School girls don't usually have crushes on same age guys, so being BF/GF with a same age guy is entirely possible. When

Plot twist: she's being quiet because she recognized all the faces in the images -- she's been seeing the same escorts and is afraid you're on to her! - M. Night Shyamalan

The $100 tip, plus door fee is comparable to what most independent MA's or an all inclusive spa charge for a complete massage experience. I suggest clearing the financials up right away with your MA, just like you would with an independent or agency before you start the session. That way you just relax and enjoy without the worry. The attendant appreciates this as well so she knows she's being compensated fairly and everyone is happy. Independent MA's and all inclusive spa's apply part of the fee's collected to keeping the business maintained, so a door fee is really no different. It's just an extra transaction.

I have reviewed all the pictures I could find very carefully :) and I have been unable to find a single set that I didn't thoroughly enjoy and want to get to know better. ;)

this is a very sad discussion but in the end we will all prevail with our positivity don't worry Tom I am lighting a candle for you at church everytime I go and you're constantly in my prayers God and I are arguing right now but I think I might win so I will keep my fingers crossed lol you have so much support and with all of us and our positivity like I said we can kick this cancer's b*** Xoxo K

Luscious Tianna is sending all her prayers and optimism to the Number 1 Hobbyist The Liquir!!! It is always a great day when he comes in to say Hi!!! All the best Lover!! Always thinkin of you and missing you xxo

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You are woman enough for me hun... we'll just have the two beers together....

Someone in favor of same-sex marriage is automatically gay or bi? Speaking for rights isn't always just about the one speaking.

Yup, last night's episode was possibly the best hour of television I've ever seen -- for writing, cinematography, and of course acting. In Walt's phone call toward the end of the episode, he has to say hateful things in Skyler's direction that are really intended for the audience he knows is listening in; the whole speech is designed to help position her as innocent, abused wife instead of accomplice. Those minutes should win Cranson the Emmy all by themselves. And Anna Gunn did a great job as Skyler on the other end, realizing what Walt is doing and playing along -- so hopefully she'll be around for what's left of their family, at least. It's true, the episode could almost have been the series finale. Walt's world has collapsed, everything he'd hoped for is destroyed, and he's completely on his own. He's paying the full price for his own crimes at last. I'm guessing the last two episodes are about two things: a) getting revenge on the Aryan guys and destroying the organization (including Lydia?), and b) bringing Walt's personal story and most probably his life to an end, hopefully with a bit of redemption while tying up Jesse's final fate. I usually agree with a lot of other people and prefer to wait 'til I can watch everything at once on disc. But this is one case where I'm happy to see these last hours bit by bit, week by week, reacting and discussing things with others as they happen. It's television I'll remember in 20 years, and how often can you say that?

Ladies and gents, its now official !! The Ottawa September Social will be held Thursday, September 19th, so mark your calendar!! There will be 60 spots available (30 gents and 30 ladies) for members in good standing. Gents, tickets will be made available soon, at a cost of $35, which will cover snacks, drinks for the ladies and door prizes. I will keep everyone up to date via this thread as things progress. As it's an event organized by CERB members for members, you can contact myself, Loneskater or Spud271 directly should you have questions. Cheers!! MisterT

Why so serious? Lighten up fer Christ sakes! If it's one thing I can't stand it a dour SOB with no sense of Ha Ha. Luckily that does not apply to Lee. Keep it up in all ways buddy!

All the best Liquor!...keep strong and you will beat it.

The members search feature is great and there are lots of improvements. I always thought it would be handy if we could search by location as well. (For those of us outside of Ottawa ;-) ) Even if you could sort the list alphabetically by location (the info is already collected) instead of just by name or post count would be very useful. Especially now that there are so many more members to sort through. I do plan to one day travel across this great nation of ours visiting as many of you fine ladies as I can. In the mean time I am usually looking for someone local. Just a suggestion. Keep up three good work! Additional Comments: I stand corrected. I see now that this is an option. Great work Mods. You seem to anticipate my every need. Thank you Emily J. A wealth of knowledge as usual. You are definitely on my list for my cross country trip! ;-)

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Sending positive thoughts your way the Liquor!!! xxxx

Thoughts are with you big guy !! You will beat this. You have too many ladies to see yet and lots more golf balls to hit in the bush in this lifetime Mr. !!

Sending you my wishes and positive energy with the knowledge that you can beat this. Stay strong and my you live to be 100 and enjoy all that life has to offer you and the many pleasures it gives. ;)

You are strong and full of life....beat this crap my darling!

As you my friend The Liquor!! My heart and prayers are always with you and I will never stop cheering you on. Like I said earlier, give it hell and you fight! All my Love, Prayers and Support, Lexy

All the best to you, theliquor! Sending good wishes your way.

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I have had lower back problems due to degenerative disk disease, I find that the best thing I can do is RMT combined physiotherapy if necessary (they use something like a TENS machine). All thought some people swear by chiropractors, I find them too rough for my condition(actually went twice before I decided that this was not for me).

From Bianca's Jaguar new photoshoot :

Think I farted on mine just to make sure no one would steal it!!!

Recently watched the Antics Roadshow (documentary)....hilarious and thought provoking. If you enjoyed the Yes Men, you will dig this....

I think what you want to do is second to who do you want to do it to. Browse through the local ladies and find one whom you could picture yourself quiet happily spreading the cheeks of and going to town on. Then approach her via her preferred method and see if it is something she is open to enjoying with you. If not, continue your search. There are a variety of ladies and interests and tastes here, I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for. Good luck! *licks*

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There is only one Kayla, aka Shedevil

I know Gwen from TOC has been receiving good reviews on another site, keep in mind the door fee and then service fee, but if your looking for someone who has some sort of positive review from there I would say do more research on Gwen :)

Even people who mature at a younger age still are bound by the same laws as everyone else. They can't vote until 18. Can't legally drive until 16. And can't legally drink until age 19. Likewise, an underage child cannot consent to have sex with an adult irrespective of perceived maturity. Who is going to determine if the child is both mature enough to have sex, and is giving informed consent to have sex. The adult who wants to prey on him/her? That would be self serving for the adult targeting the underage. Or does the underage child just need a note giving permission from mommy and daddy? Something you may not know, but should is that men go out with women, boys go out with girls. Men aren't supposed to target girls (or boys for that matter) for sex. Part of being a responsible adult is complying with the laws of the land. That includes not exploiting the underage for your own sexual gratification. RG

Spent the afternoon with Hitchcock. Family Plot, Vertigo, Rear Window and To Catch a Thief. All quite good!

I think most people find it got better and and better with each season, though I have to say I personally found it pretty compelling right from the start. That first season took its time but also had some high points: Walter's dilemma about killing Crazy 8, and the "this isn't meth" scene to gain the upper hand with Tuco. The show charts Walter's descent as he gets drawn deeper and deeper into a high-stakes, violent, and complicated enterprise while battling his own ego and thirst for power after a largely powerless life. It does take its time so that each step in that progression makes believable sense, and to examine the effect on Walter and the people around him. I guess you have to enjoy watching those character moments, and Walter's steady distortion away from where he started, for the show to really seize you.

Red seductress in Kanata Hanna at Paradise Spa Malika when she comes to town Chantel Reign... Meant Chanel, sorry CR, brain cramp, thx to Mature Angela for picking that up!

Words are such pitiful things. Mere words cannot convey the experience of an hour with Salina. Gentlemen, she is a Marilyn Monroe like beauty with long blonde hair and dark brown bedroom eyes. Salina is also a study in contrasts, she is mature and shy, she can knead you firmly but is delicate to the touch. She left me satisfied and craving more at the same time. Salina gave me a professional quality massage. She was skilled enough to detect and dispatch several knots in my back and shoulder area. Following her coma inducing ministrations I asked for her permission to return the favour. She agreed and I explored her body in great detail. Her skin was smooth and warm to the touch. Her peaks and valleys tempted, but it was her overall attitude that drove me on. Soon enough we exchanged positions again as I surrendered to her expert manipulation. Salina's expert touch soon had me trembling. The finish was outstanding, memorable and more than I'd hoped for. I will repeat as soon as circumstances allow. I whole-heartedly recommend and endorse Salina Flower, treat her well and watch her bloom.

I know skittlesxoxo...problem these days is that common sense is not so common :(

Those are very sexy Tess......definitely liking them on you!

Moral of the story "do not try this at home" LOL RG