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I'm definitely not a newer SP, but I feel a bit like the OP is trying to pull a fast one, defining the choice as between being willing to compromise on rates to keep a nice regular, and being a cold, calculating woman fixed only on the bottom line. That's a false choice. The fact is, there are plenty of really decent, enjoyable men out there who are willing and able to pay our rates. Ending up with a bunch of cheap regulars will only stress an SP out and is more likely to lead her into situations in which she rushes people or her quality of service suffers. And please don't make it sound like this is somehow easier for someone who doesn't need the money or who hasn't set goals for making a certain amount. I'm just such an SP. I've never been a go-getter. Other than keeping myself in jump money (which I don't even need anymore), I was never the type that had a list of expensive things to acquire. But that doesn't mean that I would ever be willing to spend more time with someone for less money just to see them more often. Because a woman like me isn't in the business to make lots of money, but to have lots of time. Suggesting she give you more for less is a bit like the guy who wants to pay you with cocaine and do it with you during the session. (And believe it or not, I've received that offer too many times over the years. :( )

Here we go again... I can't help but feel I've heard all this before. And trust me, if even I've heard it before then the ladies are probably sick to death of it.

Even down to the little details of Walt walking through the lab looking at the equipment, with a satisfied smile all to the tune of Badfinger's Baby Blue. Such a perfect song for the ending.

Yeah, this seems like a pretty dodgy offer to me. "If you give me a little off the price now, I really really promise to come back a lot more later!" Uh-huh. First off I agree with all the SPs' comments so far based on their experience, and their reasons why this isn't really a very good idea from the SP's point of view. But if you're determined to try, I'd say you need to be the first one to make an investment and take a risk. See your favourite MA as a steady regular for two years first at her full rate. Prove you're a genuine regular. Then maybe you can broach the option to pay her for, say, the next full year in advance with some kind of terms. But if you don't like the sound of that, then maybe it shouldn't be surprising if the MAs aren't lining up to take you up on your long-term promises, either. Just a thought.

I personally am a firm believer in Quality over Quantity. I tour full time, don't have a base city that I work from and I fully value the company of those I have previously spent time with. I am NOT high volume and make the most out of a few quality dates in the cities I tour too. I have an extensive screening process which allows me to get to know any potential new date very well prior to meeting. This helps to ensure we are a great fit for one another and that our time spent will be memorable. To some ladies, it is an in and out experience, to others it is creating an opportunity to expand on future company with the said gentleman. To each their own as there is always something for for everyone, it is just finding what is the best fit for what you are seeking. Let's face a few facts here regarding your questions, Everyone works for whatever their job is for the money, some enjoy their job more than others and for others it is just a means to pay the bills. This is true in any occupation, as well not all high volume ladies have a bad attitude or service, keep in mind it is what works for them. In a day in age where men seem to like to barter or low ball (things that were rarely heard of 4 years ago) as well as people asking for 15min dates, time that is not offered(ie 30mins) or a discount, what type of experience does one expect after devaluing another human being. Each lady runs her business how she see fit, and while the low volume option sounds great on a board thread, it may not pay her bills.

This rapport being looked for has nothing at all to do with discounted rates Rapport is about a chemistry/connection with a lady you like. If you find a companion you develop such a rapport with, and you like her, continue to see her. The reward of such a connection is the special relationship that can develop with a companion and gentleman. And a lady may genuinely enjoy the company of the gentlemen she sees, but she still sees them under a money/time arrangement, because it is her profession. It is not at all about seeing a companion for the maximum time possible as cheaply as possible. That isn't a sign of seeking a special relationship. It's just a sign of someone who doesn't respect the lady for the companionship she provides and her livelihood, which she does to pay her bills. A morning rambling RG

Short and sweet .... Work within your budget. A good clientele base does not come from giving deals. It comes from giving good quality service...or... simply having good folks to deal with .. or an awesome combination of the two and don't shop at Walmart......that's a frickin zoo there...seriously !! don't go there .... ;)

I find any "men's" body washes have strog scents, I'd stick with more gender nuetral brands like Dove or Softsoap.

Now THAT was a finale. One of the best I've ever seen. Great job.

Sorry, no but 'things' haven't changed at all. What you found 3 years ago was a unique situation with someone who is what might be called a nonpro. What you are trying to find is another non-pro, but you are seeking her in all the wrong places lol. I'm not trying to be a hard case here, but usually the rapport and give and take comes only after several visits, and I don't mean the 3 visits in 3 weeks, then you stop calling for 6 months because you aren't getting what you wanted from her (which sounds like unpaid extra time?) but an actual rapport built up over a year or so with several or at least regular consistent visits. I sometimes have this conversation with someone who is calling for the first time, often about the halfhour rate as in time/cost/services. It always seems to me that they are the ones overly concerned with these things, and less concerned about paying a fair rate (which is always what I am asking for) and not abusing the privilege (by staying beyond the time they have paid for and expecting it to be my gift to them, for what reason I am unsure. I don't know them, I don't owe them anything other than the agreed upon conditions of the session. I have new regulars who have no issues with the fees, and sometimes feel like giving a bit extra when they feel like they are going a bit overtime. which is great, because you know you are appreciated then. I have others who make the promises of being regulars, but all they need is......fill in the blanks. Most of the time they don't even show up the first time, let alone a 2nd time. To me, 140 seems like a reasonable amount to spend for an hour for a massage session no FS, and if you were getting more time than that, that is on the lady you were seeing, but in no way should determine or shape your expectations of what you are going to be able to get with that same amount now. If you expect or demand or delay in a way to go beyond what the lady is willing to give for that rate, then no matter how much you like her, she will no longer be 'available.'. Sps are often 'unavailable' to guys who are not OK with the rates/times they have set lol

Sigh... now I'm all sad. *snif* :( Really liked the finale; it did a great job of tying up lots of loose ends and giving us final glimpses of a few minor characters (way to go Badger and Skinny Pete!). I give this last-ever episode 9/10, and it loses the one point only because, unlike almost any other episode of Breaking Bad, you kind of knew ahead of time the major beats it had to hit and the mood it would strike at the very end. And yet it still got there masterfully. I'm thankful for a show that reminded us that television doesn't have to be "just t.v", but can in fact be real art.

Waking up screaming because your legs completely cramped up. Hurts like hell, and undignified as well...

I do find stating a "Walmart for everyone" rather undiplomatic. In my opinion that describes a rather cheap way of doing business. I doubt this is not so in many SP's eyes. Some are high volume and some are not. This does not make the SP a big box store rather than a boutique. This is not a flame to your post Hands On by any means, but rather a clarification on my feeling of using such a term. Everybody does business differently. And yes, I have grandfathered in some of my Regulars. Does this make me Walmart? It does not. It is my choice to do so. Not because I want them back, I already have them. My choice is to be low volume and establish a regular clientele. I prefer to spend time repeatedly with the same Gent. For me this is satisfying for both and we can explore further what each likes and wants. Yes I enjoy seeing new Gents, simply because of the thrill. It does in no way diminish the quality time of my regular clients as they are my sweeties. However I do not grandfather lightly. By seeing me weekly/monthly/whatever does not guarantee this will happen. There has to be communication, trust and chemistry. Time is really not important with me. Although if I feel you are taking advantage of that I will note the time. I know when an hour is up. I don't need to check the time, and if I am over by some minutes, so what. I will admit to losing time if I am with 2 or more others though and usually have to be reminded. lol Bottom line, my fee is for my time, and not negotiable.

I sustain myself on retainer guests, I seldom advertise but when I do it's because I'm seeking just a couple of those who want something long term. I will meet 100 guests to find 2 or 3 that "fit". I enjoy meeting new guests but in reality the vast majority of hobbyists are not good candidates for something long term and are very seldom "take it to the bank" reliable even if the price is right. I understand what the OP is saying but rest assured, so many guests come in singing the "I'll be here twice a month if you work with me on the rate" and when you do, they don't follow thru because what they are doing is simply hustling a deal for the moment. Been there, done that; got the t-shirt, burned it, took a shower and won't do it again. Now, if a client wants to renegotiate my rate then we look at the triad. Time, service, money. If they want a more reasonable rate, then they either have to sacrifice on time/service ratio OR prepay for set number of sessions to lock in the discount. This way, I know he's coming back. The "we click so therefore financials take a back seat" doesn't pay the bills. I'm low volume, I offer extraordinary service in the lap of luxury and if I had a dollar for every man who "promised" to be a good client I could by a new Volvo. A girl can't take promises to the bank. If a guest wants to have the discussion of keeping the service affordable for the long run with me then he will have to make a commitment that is more than lip service. If he's willing to show that he's serious, then I doubt any provider worthy of her fishnets would decline... cat

Lexy you definitely catch the imagination of so many on this board and drive it home with your enticing posts. Add in your support and caring and your ability to tell it like it is, your posts create a genuine atmosphere here and you are recognized across the country. Thanks for all your wonderful posts, looking forward to many more!

I think most if not all SP's would prefer some form of regular client base. I think like most businesses it's more costly in time, effort and advertising to develop a new customer than it costs to keep a regular one. Asked for advice once, I suggested that if one can develop a bit of a regular base client then that allows flexibility and some one can be more selective about services offered their price point and whom they offer their services to. Just like any business at 8:00 Monday morning the costs whether it's salary, rent, travel etc start accumulating. Everyone has a nut to crack and determining goals is helpful. Is it a part-time gig to top up income, is a full-time gig to pay bills and put food on the table. Is it temporary or a career path. Ultimately it's money in, money out like any other business. To sum up, I would not request special consideration as a regular and if some one's listed rate is out of my personal comfort zone, there is no need for a conversation about it. Peace MG

My Jessie lives! I guess my guests at my Breaking Bad party had bets on me crying if he died. Well yo bitches no tears. Ah aha ha. Perfect ending to a perfect and very addictive series.

I call mine "stupid piece of $h!t"!!

Great ending! Great show! Loved the scene at Gretchen and Elliot's house.

I don't think "monogamy of the heart" describes polyamorous people at all. A key feature of polyamory is the practice/capacity/openness to having multiple romantic relationships, not just sexual ones. I think the concept of "monogamy of the heart" is antithetical to polyamory, as it suggests that you can only be in love with one person at a time, and if you're not open to or capable of loving more than one at a time then polyamory is definitely not the right description for your non-monogamy. I think "monogamy of the heart" would better describe a more "open marriage" type of relationship, where two people are in love with each other and have sexual relationships outside their relationship, but aren't open to other loving or romantic connections. "Monogamy of the heart" also strikes me as something that must be descriptive, not prescriptive. The heart wants what it wants, and we can't control our emotions. Some people are just not wired to be in love with more than one person at once, but I think more people are inclined to want to be monogamous for their partner but are fully capable of falling for someone else at the same time. While I don't think I'd choose to use "monogamy of the heart" as a term, I do like differentiating between social, sexual and emotional monogamy, which are all very different concepts that tend to get lumped together under the umbrella of just "monogamy".

I enjoy seeing the ladies that I meet. Yes I have met a couple of ladies where the encounters are less SP/Client and more two friends getting together. But even in those encounters as with all encounters, I never forget, at it's very core, it still is a business transaction and for the lady it is her livelihood. I have never asked for, nor would I accept a discount if it was ever offered. In fact if a discount forced on me (not hardly likely or expected btw) all the lady would get is a much higher tip to offset the discount...for me I'm looking for, and appreciate the quality time I have with a lady. This lifestyle isn't about discounts. My experience generally speaking with the ladies I have met, isn't that they are just looking for money/time. Yes they do want to be compensated for their time, it is their livelihood after all. But they want to provide me with an escape, a memory, and hopefully a connection. And the escapes provided have a value far exceeding the donation asked for. I haven't experienced a money/time attitude from these ladies. I have experienced escapes, ladies who treat me with the same respect as much as I do them A rambling RG

I have to agree with what the wonderful ladies here have already said. At the end of the day this is some girls only way of financial success, and it is a job. One that many of us love and enjoy doing but it is still a job. As much as I love seeing regulars I expect that every once in awhile they would like to try a different flavor so to speak.... And I enjoy the excitement and thrill of meeting and enjoying the company of a new guest as well. Now say you see a girl and spend X amount when you go see them... they are you #1 Ultimate experience and say she gives you a break in her fee, because you see her often and you both enjoy each other.... How would that make her feel to know that your willing to shell out more money to see someone that is her direct competition??? Do you think she would feel valued??? or should you be punished because 9 out of 10 times you like Vanilla but every once in a while you want to try Chocolate or strawberry??? Asking or expecting a discount because you both enjoy each other can lead to hard feelings and sometimes more than what this business is...... Just my take on it. Kisses All xox

I had the unfortunate experience of falling for a bait and switch. Long time member here and have never done a post like this, but feel I should warn others. Pics and age are not real. Without going Into details. I just want to make everyone aware that the person is misrepresenting herself and unfortunately many people(myself included) fell for the old bait and switch.

I don't mean to be rude but what the %^*#^ is with all the bbfs requests? I took some time off and since I've come back, so many men have requested bbfs "even if I pay you more." NO... No, no and NO!! I will not offer bbfs (although I do bbbj) but that's a whole different story. Did I miss a memo somewhere? What's going on? I've been around for a while and I have NEVER had this many requests. People, please play safe, get checked regularly and please don't participate in bbfs! It's not just about pregnancy or bacterial infections! There are serious viruses out there! I'm just shocked by the number of requests, as if it's normal. Please, don't let this be the norm...

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So I had an appointment today with the lovely ebony Adryanna today and I have to tell you the anticipation was off the charts. You see our last encounter ended in the usual volcano eruption and seeing stars that she usually generates but we had a little time at the end and chatted about likes and dislikes. This can be very interesting when you get to know your SP. Especially if they open up a little about what they'd like to try. I always find that the interim correspondence for the next visit will always reference the fantasy and build up the anticipation for it. Well the last visit yielded a great deal of information about how much she really does enjoy Greek (cue the cheering from all the fans of the act) and how she'd like to get fucked in front of a mirror standing up. She really wanted to watch the act and see if the visual sent her over the edge. Just the thought of it sends me over the edge! So today, she greeted me with a mischievous smile and matching thong and bra and she led me past the full length mirror in her room. I immediately sprung to attention thinking this fantasy is not just hers, it's mine too. Just to keep this a reasonable length...foreplay, foreplay, foreplay...then we're standing in front of the mirror with her delicious booty wiggling toward my eager dick. We both had a fun show in the mirror and if you haven't seen her gorgeous ass swallow your dick yet, this is NOT to be missed. The lady loves her Greek and went at it until her legs gave out. Didn't achieve the desired result yet so we washed up and proceeded to the next round of lazy doggy style. This is my favorite with her because her perfect ass slaps up against me enhancing the experience. If you're closer to fifty than thirty like I am, you appreciate all the stimulation you can get since the condom dulls the senses a little. Needless to say, volcanic eruption and stars again. And she came too! Fucking awesome sight with her cumming and pushing back on my dick! This lady gets better and better with every encounter. She even knows how to treat us not-so-young-and-not-a-stallion anymore guys. Just the little things like getting me raging hard before the condom get on, fun foreplay and lots of good encouragement. I will continue to have fun with Adryanna whenever she comes to town. Sometimes twice when she cums to town!

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Yup do it all the time.

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Good Morning Beautiful Thank you for responding. That has confused me from the start! I get it now. Greatly appreciated. Have a sweet day! Lilly

I remember the first time I stumbled across this concept, though not the term -- in the movie "Reversal of Fortune" (1990). It's about a wealthy upper-class couple in New York, and at one point Jeremy Irons' character reluctantly informs his wife that his latest relationship "may fall outside the boundaries of our agreement." It's been a while since I saw the movie, but younger-me's interpretation at the time was that they allowed each other to have little affairs, but their love and devotion were reserved for one another. (That's maybe too romantic a spin on it for such a detached and ultimately doomed couple; looking back now, it may have been more about appearances.) I imagine this can certainly work, like any arrangement can for the right couple. At the same time, I imagine lots more people think this can work, than actually find that it can in practice. Personally I might find the rule "love nobody but me" a more onerous burden than "fuck nobody but me"; we love lots of people in lots of ways in our lives, and I'd hate to give that up. You'd need to be very clear what was and wasn't allowed within this type of "monogamy" ("monoamory"? should we invent a word here?), and that would be hard.

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I know how you feel. Imagine doing it for 10 years! Additional Comments: I broke my crank in my bathroom window last week and yes, I had a few disappear as well.

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I believe I have heard of operations in Canada, but the thing is hun, they are baiting for UNDERAGE workers( the pimps/agencies who hire them). And the MEN WHO ARE wanting to book minors. As long as you are not wanting to book with minors, then there is no problem. Even the bust in the States were only busting child/minor prostitute rings. Not responsible providers of age.

Yes, it does happen, absolutely. Especially when that connection can be so tempting to pursue. This business may be a pleasure industry but you are dealing with humans who have or can develop feelings for other like-mindedly amazing people. It just sucks when it can't go anywhere. I know it hurts, but believe me, she was trying to do you both a favour. Be extra nice to yourself for a while. Spoil yourself for being so damn charming! ;-)

It is VERY common on either side that when emotions become involved, the person with the emotions steps back to provide some breathing room to give clarity to what they're feeling. Unfortunately the only advice I can give you is to deal with your own feelings of losing someone you considered a friend. You have to respect the wishes of the SP to step back. At this point there is no way to maintain a professional relationship. That doesn't mean that might night change. Feelings change and if she realizes that what she was feeling is different than what she thought, she may open that door again. I wouldn't count on it but it's always a possibility. I assume feelings are not mutual because of your comment so maybe take a look at other SP's and find one that interests you. Good luck, it's not an easy situation to have to deal with.

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Are you trying to suggest that swallowing semen presents the same risk as bareback full service sex? Because if so, that is completely false and I suggest you look into actual sexual health facts before you just throw things out there like they are the truth. You can't just say that's "my two cents" about things that are not a matter of opinion.

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