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I discriminate on a regular basis... I discriminate against those that send me emails with vulgar language or ask blatantly stupid questions. I discriminate by denying services to those who arrive at my location drunk, under the influence or set my spidey senses off. I discriminate against those that send me cock shots. If I have two gentlemen vying for the same appointment time, I discriminate against the newer client by allowing my regular to have the spot. I discriminate against men who are negative and want to bitch at me about their wives by showing them the door. I discriminate against those that have poor hygiene. I discriminate against anyone who will not follow the basic principle of treating me with the same respect I show them. I discriminate against anyone whom I feel is vile, crass, unethical or in any way violates my personal sense of universal balance. I would gently suggest to those who claim she should take all comers who have the cash to sit quietly and imagine what it would be like to kiss someone they would never want to be intimate with. Imagine someone you feel a physical revulsion to and then try and feel their tongue forcing your lips apart, their saliva mixing with yours and all you want to do is spit it out and bite the invading tongue. Imagine the feel of their hands roaming your body while your skin crawls in an unwinable attempt to escape. Imagine you having to part you legs and let them penetrate you while not only are you controlling the urge to throw them off you but you have to pretend you are enjoying it simply for cash that you don't want; in order to maintain the Canadian politically correct line of thinking or keep your name off the negative review boards. Imagine trying to perform oral while controlling the gag reflex to lose your dinner and constantly reswallowing your own vomit while smiling because he's watching you. Imagine having to look at them 3 inches from you, feeling their sweat dripping on your face, their exhales defiling your inhales and their body on top of you and you can't leave because... It's illegal to discriminate! For once, just try walking or imagine walking in our shoes. This isn't about being politically incorrect, it's about knowing what our boundaries are and respecting them. Service industry or not, you can't compare what we do to massage therapy, hairdressing, dentist, doctor, chiropractor or any other hands on service professional. I believe that I have the right to choose who I share my body with based on any criteria I deem important to my physical, mental and spiritual state and like Sandi, I may not share this providers belief system but I support her right to choose who she lets enter her most intimate of space, her body. I lived the above experience once and I will never do it again, I don't care if it's illegal to discriminate or not. I will continue to screen my clients as I see fit and if I want to post an ad that contains a "DON'T BOTHER CONTACTING ME IF ANY OF THIS APPLIES TO YOU" list, I will... cat

The interesting part of this is how the OP landed with an enforcer? If you try to bow out of the appointment and leaving her with some kind of compensation - there shouldn't be any 3rd person in the room to intervene. If the lady took offense to this and had her bodyguard/enforcer involved - well it sure does look like a bait and switch to me. I don't think CERB policy is at 100% protecting the lady or not reviewing them. There is section in each city for dangerous encounter. When you are not sure - PM the "mod" ask for his take and if you should post it or not - cause trust me if there is a 3rd person intervention during an encounter while you are not being offensive/abusive and just trying to bow out graciously - I classify this is as dangerous; also bait and switch.

It would be far easier to list those that don't like mature gentlemen. Let me see, I can't think of one... ;) cat

So if CERB is strictly a recommendation site and we can't post negative ( but truthful) info on here then where can we post that type of info ? Reason I ask is because I very recently seen a girl who has had adds posted on this as well as other sites. Her pics are at least 10 years old and 40 lbs lighter. Her age is not truthful (not even close) and other info posted is not accurate at all. Also landed with her body guard / enforcer but he got a bit of a shock when he met me lol. This is not a bait and switch scam. Pics are really her but not a recent or truthful portrait of what your about to meet. I am also not sure of the intentions of these two if I hadn't been the size of a man I am and have worked in an industry where I know how to handle myself and deal with that type of situation . Also I am not responding to a 100 inbox messages asking for details. If I can't post it on a site for the betterment of all members then that's SAD .

I agree, not because she should have her rights trampled, but just blurting out, " whites only " is so very 1950's Alabama water fountain. Not good advertising regardless of her thoughts because ALL prospective guests do not know her reason. And a lot of white men will be put off with that statement. Agreed, the bluntness is certainly offputting. Sad but true. I am always baffled by those who make 2013 sweeping remarks in my presence assuming that this freckled, blond, caucasian person will not say something. As always Cat, level & rational with helpful feedback. I'm curvy but will you marry me? :wink: Seriously, I worked for an incall here in Van for a whole week, met an awesome girl, Black, who had moved from elsewhere to escape an abusive marriage. He had national gang affiliations & for THIS reason, she would not entertain Black men. Is she a racist? Of course not. Fair enough & you are so right. If a man wants to see a brunette spinner, should I be offended as a curvy blond? No. That said, I am not physically attracted to _insert whatever_, I don't want to offend anyone, but for ME, if guests are respectful, clean, don't barter, I will ALWAYS have fun. But I have, as Cat pointed out, never had a bad date with a man from particular racial demographic that has traumatized me. If I had, I may have needed to qualify my advertising. It IS a bit harsh, I agree. But that boundary may be for any reason, as many have stated. Of course it could be that she is a bigot & so not great at marketing. No it isn't simple because you don't know her reasons. And I will speak here for a lot of us, PLEASE stop referring to us kissing you, blowing you, fucking you as any where NEAR the same as processing your debit card & handing you back your groceries. It is NOT the same & so incredibly dismissive of what we really do. Thank you. Absolutely we have that right. And if I decline an encounter, I do not feel the NEED to justify. However, I do also feel in this case, the crux is the blunt, harsh, "so there" message that comes across. But I have seen sites & ads that state a racial preference but in a soft & explanatory fashion. No means no but it came across as nicer & not at all racist. " For personal reasons, I prefer not to see-___whomever___ men. Thank you for understanding " It reduces the incidence of hurt feelings or misconstrued intentions. Sorry dude, it has everything to do with sex. CERB doesn't stand for, Cheese Eggs Recommendation Board. It's a sex site, not a Zehr's. Respectfully, not ONE person here has supported racism. This is a pretty cool place where ALL are encouraged to participate. Exactly! Simply because she is an SP should never imply that a man having a full wallet gets to see anyone he wants, regardless of her boundaries, concerns, etc. And honestly, who would want to? What actual man wants to anally penetrate a lady who does not voluntarily offer greek? Who wants to court a woman who is a CBJ provider then shove his uncovered dick in her mouth & blow? So, by extension, why would any man of colour wish to show up at the door of an SP who does not see non-white gentlemen (for whatever reason) just to be denied or worse, have a scene? Is racism repugnant? Hell yes. So just spend your time with those who aren't, be they SP, friends, what have you. And hope that the bigots just inbreed themselves out of the human gene pool into instinction. Sandi

Good points Cristy, and it goes to the heart of the difference between CERB and certain "review" boards. I think you're right to exclude some types of experiences from this discussion -- health issues, baiting and switching, age issues, fraud, that type of thing. These really do need sharing, just like unsafe clients should be reported. But you'd hope that mere hiccups in an experience would prompt a gentle and private discussion between the client and provider, as it should between any two people who like and respect each other as people. Or maybe the client needs to reflect upon his own contribution to the situation, and could benefit from a few pointers from the provider. Instead, some clients dash off to the nearest computer to post a scathing review for others to see on one of those review boards. Sometimes this is just petty revenge for a minor disappointment. But I think mostly it's done to score points within the culture of those boards, where detachment from, and disdain for providers is encouraged and a power dynamic of "us vs. them" is routinely enforced. In those places, the client is on top because he has the money, and the provider is an anonymous, subservient, essentially dehumanized agent whose sole function is to perform sexual acts in certain ways. The client believes he has purchased the entitlement to a specific set of services performed to some particular (though arbitrary and subjective) standard, and if the provider fails to deliver what he wants as he wants it, he'll issue punishment in the form of a bad 'review'. You can see some of that revealed in the phrase "take one for the team", used when one of those board members visits a new and unknown provider; it's clear who the team is, and she's not on it. So yeah... is it unkind to shout from the rooftops about minor perceived shortcomings of an experience, without trying a simple human discussion and without any consideration for the impact this might have? Absolutely. But kindness would imply acknowledging the other person as an equal who deserves understanding, and is a 'member' of the same 'team', instead of a mere vendor of services and 'meeter of needs'. And that's not something that would be tolerated in certain us-guys-on-top, money-first online communities. CERB draws the line elsewhere. Now granted, the positive-only rule excludes what could sometimes be useful discussion if it was restrained and considerate. But what we gain is not just a generally positive and egalitarian community of clients and providers, but we've remove the elements that would otherwise build an ugly, client-on-top, and plainly misogynistic snakepit where what you describe is the daily norm.

Megan Fox refuses to answer any of my emails inviting her to an intimate liason. Could WriteOn please refer me to a lawyer who will compel her to put out for me?

Hard to keep a discussion civil when you've implied I'm racist and misquote me I didn't say even if its racist it's her right What I said, in entirety is "But even if racism, a lady still has the right to have sex, or not have sex with whomever she chooses...it is her body not anyone else's." Do you think because a lady is racist she should be pressured into having sex with someone she doesn't want to see, that she loses the right to control her body including who she shares it with RG

An sp can legally refuse to engage in sexual activity with anyone they choose, regardless of the reasons. The question of whether an sp can legally refuse to see clients of a specific ethnicity also applies to whether they can legally refuse to see clients of certain cultures, nationalities, religion, age, gender, size, hygiene, manners, ability to follow instructions, reputation, previous contact... Every reason that's ever been discussed on CERB. You name it! They are legally justified. The Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits the "denial of service" based upon "race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability...". Therefore if you only look at the Canadian Human Rights Act, you might think an sp cannot refuse to provide service to a client based upon race. However it's not that simple. Regardless of what the Canadian Human Rights Act says, neither the state nor a client can compel an sp to have sex with someone they don't want to have sex with. Why? Because compelling/forcing someone to engage in sexual activity conflicts with the sexual assault provisions of the Criminal Code of Canada. When there's a conflict between the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code of Canada, the Criminal Code takes precedence. The Criminal Code protects the person who doesn't "consent" or want to engage in sexual activity, regardless of what their reasons are for not consenting. Even if their reasons for not consenting conflict with the Canadian Human Rights Act, they are protected by the Criminal Code. The harm caused by legally forcing someone to have sex against their will is greater than the harm caused by denying sex to a prospective client. The Criminal Code of Canada provisions for sexual assault require that "consent" be given when engaging in sexual activity. Sexual activity without "consent",regardless of why consent is withheld, is sexual assault. The Criminal Code also states that "Consent" "requires the voluntary agreement... to engage in the sexual activity in question." If an sp felt legally "obliged", "compelled" or "forced" to engage in sexual activity with someone because of the Canadian Human Rights Act they would be engaging in sexual activity under "duress". In other words, there would be no "voluntary agreement... to engage in the sexual activity." This is the very definition of sexual assault. This is also a good example of why "No means no." Not, "No means no... but only if you have a good reason." There's a fundamental principle at work here. Neither the state nor another individual can compel us to do something with our bodies that we do not want to do, regardless of whether our reasons are reasonable or unreasonable. This is a very good thing!

you do realise that women arent machines programmed to spend their time with who ever has the cash right? if i dont feel comfortable spending my time with a certain person, be it because or race or religion, i have the right to move on and seek someone else... why dont the women have that choice?

You should know that facial recognition is being used, and can be used against you. However, since you are not putting face pics in your actual ads, they won't have any of your ads show up when they try to match it against your passport photo (or if they are snapping a pic of you when you are in line, which is actually more likely). I think it might be more likely to happen if you are driving across the border, because I think they have more time, and you haven't actually crossed in or flown a plane at that point, so getting you turned around isn't as much trouble as if you just arrived by plane. It is also important you have an itinerary, a clear itemized sheet of where you are from, where you are going, your return flight, where you are staying, why you are staying there, etc. I will state the obvious: NEVER SEND YOUR FACE PICS TO ANYONE EVER. If you aren't using them in your ad, don't succumb to the pressure of some random idiot emailing you and trying to make you send something you aren't using online. It only leads to trouble, and could get you in trouble. You have no idea who or what you are sending those face pics to, so tell whoever is pushing you to give them to you, that you prefer to remain discreet, and that you would prefer not to have someone make this an excuse to book an appt with you, when the majority of clients don't make this a condition of booking. Book it or don't, no face pics will be sent. bleh it will be easier for you because you are not traveling alone, you will be with family and going to a family member's location. In this situation, I would not be overly concerned about them running facial recognition programs. But it is now something sps who use face pics should be aware of, they are checking now.

I am extremely concerned at the presence of a third person in this situation especially if I have been respectful, non-threatening and non-abusive through out. As others have suggested, the mod should be contacted for his take in this - if it is a B&S, or a dangerous encounter, I am sure he'll take the appropiate action such as banning this provider.

I may be a little late into the fray, but do agree with Cristy that sometimes the negative comments that do occur have not been presented in a very nice way. Constructive criticism and frankness, have given way to people bashing others if their expectations are not met, and sometimes this is simply chemistry.But on the other hand I agree that it would be hard to approach a SP about something you found grossly lacking....best to just move on, it would be nice if we could just simple have a conversation about it, but we all have issues that color the way we hear or say things. But sometimes, things do come through if you read between the lines....especially if you have had the same experience, I have seen such comments about SPs that I have had the same experience with....at that point I simply contact the poster privately and compare notes....eventually the type of issue we have experienced, although at the time really isn't a big enough deal to complain about, will surface on its own someplace and lots of people will come forward to confirm, but it is probably not right to bring something up if you might be the only one with that issue I find this board to be both friendly and informative in a very positive environment, other boards suit my advertising needs, and are entertaining in the fact that there are some very "sexist " attitudes out there that you wouldn't expect in a forum dedicated to this type of lifestyle. And I do hate the mean spirited posts that I see else where

Cerb is about being a positive place and not a place to write negative reviews, bash, fight or slander anyone. Dangerous encounters you are allowed to report here: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=203 Or send Mod a PM, get feedback on what or how to post this information. If you were robbed that would qualify as a dangerous encounter. Sorry this happened to you, Hugs, Lexy

Next guys will be saying it's discrimination if nobody sees them because of their B.O,

Do you think because a lady is racist she should be pressured into having sex with someone she doesn't want to see, that she loses the right to control her body including who she shares it with RG and essentially, this is what it boils down to. nobody should be forced to have sex with someone they don't want to have sex with. i don't care that you consider SP's to be a business like any other business. it will NEVER be like any other business. so you can't have the same rules/regulations regarding discrimination apply to this! If you think otherwise, then i'd question your morality, because essentially you're implying that rape is okay.

For me an encounter isn't a case of was it one hundred percent positive, ninety percent positive sixty percent positive well you get the idea. My recommendations are about telling about seeing a lady and that I had a good time with her. No sliding scale percentage wise of how good, just that I had a good time with her. One thing about the recommendations I write, the encounter to me had a intangible value far exceeding the donation I paid the lady. All the ladies, every one, is beautiful. Their beauty deserves to be appreciated, especially since they are with you alone intimately. Their looks should not be assessed by men on how to improve. Who are we men to even judge these ladies on their looks. Those who do might want to take a look in the mirror, or have the ladies assess their looks. And none of the ladies I see criticize me for being a bald, middle aged, overweight man. They appreciate me for the man I am. And criticizing a lady after an encounter...well do any such criticizers (reviewers) ever look in the mirror. An encounter is about two people, of which the reviewer is one. Maybe his actions or inactions contributed to the poor encounter. But with a review any failure of an encounter is borne completely by the woman. And that failure could mean loss of self respect, loss of income, possibly her livelihood gone. Even with the few (very few) poor dates I've had I understood there were two of us in the room, maybe (but not likely ;-) ) I contributed to the poor date. If there were things in the date that need improving, either contact the lady privately and let her know, that would be respectful. Or just don't have another encounter with her Finally one last thing. Some people on here talk about reviews. CERB is not a review board. CERB is a recommendation board. Here on CERB positive recommendations are allowed, reviews are not. This is covered under the Rules and FAQ section which should have been read when you joined A rambling RG

It's easy to say "crappy reason" but the truth is we don't know why she has specified the race of her guests. I had a girl work for me who was gang raped by a specific race and she simply couldn't service guests of that race because she couldn't guarantee that she'd be able to go thru with the appointment. That was before PTSD was better understood but even passing someone on the street who was the same build or dressed the same as her assaulters would send her into a tail spin for days. The fact is this provider clarified what she feels comfortable with is all we really need to know. The OP wanted to know if he should disclose his race before meeting a provider and the answer is "yes" if he wants to alleviate any concerns he may have. The truth of the matter is that most providers don't have a problem with race because we know all humans bleed red... cat

I think the OP is asking a valid question if he is concerned about putting himself in an awkward situation upon arriving at a playdate. There can be a number of non racist reasons why a provider prefers to exclude a certain group. In my younger years I was married to a brown man and I didn't see East or West Indians because he was very well networked in those communities. I didn't want to open the door to a surprise visit from someone my husband may cross paths with. Ladies have a life outside of work and if they feel there is a risk of either being found out or causing someone they love embarrassment, they may opt out because of personal ties to a community. She may have had a bad sexual experience and her comfort level isn't there due to memories it may stir up while being intimate with someone. No one wants to have a melt down in front of a client for something unrelated to him or have him feel her discomfort when he is there with hard earned dollars for a playdate that isn't going to end well. Emotions are hard to control at times. In an industry that is constantly trying to overcome unfair assumptions, I find it's more prudent to simply not assume. If you have any concerns about your race, run it by your provider! She will tell you if she has an issue... cat

For those who understand french, lapresse.ca published a series of video reports, news stories, rather, on the industry in Montreal. La Presse, Montreal's main french newspaper, had a series in their hardcopy about four years ago, but on slightly different topics. Montreal always was - and still is - a hub in North America as a "Ville Libertine", an open city. Yet, as open as it is, there are still pressures to limit the development of the industry. A little history of Montreal's red light district Some of Montreal's wards (arrondissements) are making an effort to limit the expansion of spa's and "Barber Shops" A look at male strip clubs and saunas: "Gay sexual tourism in Montreal" A minor gives a bit of her story

on behalf of us old men. Thanks :)

In my case aa MA I have all inclusive rates to experience the best encounter. .. working out of a spa I do have to deal with walkins and then I offer the different options ans pricing available.., in this cases I like to do this at the beginning of the session to avoid awkward moments.., but if I am contacted in advance I will just provide an all inclusive rate.. It is as uncomfortable for me to discuss money as it is for the gentleman so I rather do it before gentlemen arrive.. and only leave space for enjoyment during the encounter...

My rates are free for the ladies and are all inclusive too !!!!! Now let me find you a place to sit ! ;) the possibilities are endless ..... Many people say I have a very open mind ! ?? ! or mindless ?? Whatever they mean by that ? ;)

My rates are all-inclusive, so not an issue for me.

Is giving a thumbs down, or outing someone as a "bad" or a "you should pass on this one guys" provider really beneficial? I'm not talking about the obvious, like people who use stolen pictures, those who are( and this you need proof of) a health risk, those who may be dangerous, or for any other reason that may put someone in jeopardy. I'm talking about things that might be better discussed privately with the said provider, such as poor hygiene, lack of enthusiasm, this might have something to do with their partner, poor skill, etc, or things that someone has no control over, such as their attractiveness. Not everyone in the business is good looking and publicly calling them out on this is mean, if their hygiene is poor, perhaps a private discussion would solve the issue. some people are just not sexually gifted, have skills, but again maybe a private conversation might help to motivate one into improving. My point is, we are all human beings, with feelings and different needs. Just writing someone off for reasons that might be improved with help can't really benefit anyone can it? Yes, its a responsibility of those selling their time to be professional, responsible and hold themselves to a particular standard, but they need to know how in order to do this and if they are lacking wouldn't being helpful and discreetly discussing your issues with them be more beneficial and kind? It just feels so harsh to me to just write someone off so easily. Remember this is a person, your negative comments may ruin them, not only financially but emotionally. Each and every individual deserves a chance, and maybe even a few. Each is irreplaceable, we are not buses, soon as one passes another comes along, which is sometimes how those comments make it seem. So perhaps if next time you meet a new provider, or just a different one and things weren't as you hoped, or for any reason other then the fore mentioned, stop and think- is your negative comment you are about to write really going to help anyone?

I think we have learned publicly discussing the merits of whether to discuss negative experiences isn't apparently beneficial either. But thanks for the effort, Cristy.

So according to this line of thinking, you recommend to the client to mention politely that pictures should be a fair reflection of reality and take off after having been basically ripped off. With all due respect, who is naïve enough to think that this person will act accordingly? I would rather think she will keep fooling people around with her ads until some proper action is taken. Regardless of a third party's intervention, IMHO this is a good example for NS warnings. Food for thought.

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As always, well said, Cat! An acquaintance of mine, a black lady, before leaving the lifestyle had a strict rule about not seeing any black clients. Why? She was (is still) married to a black man. Why did she exclude black men as an SP? For the same reasons you mentioned above. Is she a racist? Absolutely not! This couple has been together for 10+ years and now working on child #3. I also know two (white) ladies that exclusively date black men (never dated a white man before) and when they entered the industry, they chose not to see black clients. Now, should they be perceived as racists for not dating white men in their personal lives or should they be called racists for not seeing black clients as SPs'? I think we all know the answer if the blindfolds get removed.

It can be hard to tell the difference, though. I generally plan things ahead, but quite often that planning is something like, "OK, I'll take off from work and see X for an hour if I can." Under those circumstances, I'll never book in advance (because the risk of cancellation is too high to justify messing anyone else around), and I accept that when I call and ask, "Is X available in half an hour's time?", I may well not get the answer I'm looking for. If I'm going to see someone in the evening or during the weekend, I'll generally plan in advance, because it's easier when work is less likely to get in the way (or can more legitimately be told to take a back seat for a bit).

I think if you are pointing out a part of experience that is advertised but never actually happen its not a negative comment. And I completely agree with the part it should be pointed out - Trust me; I believe in credibility review more than recommendation only as canuckhooker said - some of the recommendation are just shills... But how do one know if this happen to all the clients without anyone is able to speak up. Hence this is few things that could be looked at and discussed in civilized manner and benefit everyone. You highlighted the point really well "none of us respond to criticism well." But common sense is not really that common, quickest assumption would say based on the last review things might have changed and this providers is now have completely changed the experience. Sex and go is part of the industry - major part. I do not dismiss the fact; but if you are looking for a sex and go; did you get off? Then her part is done. Shouldn't you ask what is provided in the beginning? And back to that if a provider advertised something but not following up then it back to your first point; is it something negative or just false advertising or maybe YMMV? Without being able to review - this will always be a grey area shaded with uncertainty hence it will be taken as negative. Take it to the other board; let it go rampage over there - CERB is not the place. I never said I stuck only to CERB. Does not mean I don't find it distasteful as most of the negative review I've seen is more bashing rather than commenting for constructive.

This is a very thorny issue. Firstly, you imply that there are "sneaky" negative comments that have managed to be posted on this board. I would say they are few and far between. People have learned that those are caught out pretty quickly. IMO there are a lot more shills in the rec section than "hidden" negative comments. The problem here is that when someone writes a recommendation, you are essentially asking for a critique. However the value of that critique is diminished if you can only say positive things. I don't think I have had very many experiences in my life that were 100% positive. There is always something that could have been better. The value of a true critique is that someone can improve their service to make it better. If that is something they want to do. So we have the situation here where clients don't write recs, and we get threads like the one this past week, that call their motives into question. A thread the mod had to shut down. Of course as mentioned before any place that allows negative comments is going to get the trolls and others who revel in complaining. Just look at any other review site, like Trip Advisor, restaurant rating sites etc. etc. They get their share of trolls and shit disturbers, but the real reviews give important information not only to other potential customers, but to the person or persons being reviewed. They get feedback that can help them improve their service. The choice for the provider is to take the valid criticism and address it to fix a problem, or to ignore it, get defensive, go on the attack. They can react positively or negatively. The point is that IMO frankly discussing or giving a valid critique with negative points, can be beneficial. But it can also result in more negativity. This board chose to allow no negative comments, and I think it has been fairly successful. I don't think any negative comments that may be hidden were put there by the trolls and people trying to stir the pot. It takes time and thought to do something like that, things that are in short supply in trolls. If there is a "sneaky' negative comment on this board I think it is most likely would have some validity, and a wise person would take it to heart.

Usually when there is a thread about or created asking question about a lady, whomever has seen her will comment and either say, that's her in the pictures and I had a great time or without being negative many will say pictures are her but not up to date anymore and I have no further comment. Usually the other gents know what that means. Search if there is a thread on said lady, they are usually in this section and just keep whatever you post within the rules and motto of Cerb. If I had been you, I would have politely said your pictures are no longer accurate and I think you should update them, or if you were not impressed and felt deceived I would have left. If you were put in an unsafe position or anything like that then you are allowed to post that information in the NS warning section. Sorry this happened to you. Hugs, Lexy

WriteOn, the answer is yes, a lady has the right to offer or refuse her services to whoever she chooses, based on whatever criteria she chooses. Be it age, gender, hygiene, number of dimples, favourite sports team, and yes, even race, it is always her choice to make. Whether or not you or I or anyone approve of her reasons is completely irrelevant. It is her body, plain and simple. And the comparison of a lady to a grocery store is just...wrong.

First it may be very much racist. And if racist just as racist as a store owner having a sign on the door saying whites only But the posts in this thread have also suggested that an SP may have other reasons to restrict her clientele to white gentlemen only. But if her reasons are racist, then they aren't less racist, they are pure and simple racist Second, prostitution is legal in Canada Third a lady can offer her services to whoever she chooses to. There is no law I am aware of that would force a lady to see any man who plucks down the required amount of money While offence is being taken to a lady restricting herself to white gentlemen only, no one seems to take offence when a lady restricts herself to men of a certain age. And some ladies may not see clients who have physical disabilities. All ladies have certain boundaries, and have to be respected Remember, just because a lady is a paid companion doesn't mean every man who has money is entitled to see her. She still gets the final word on who she agrees to see based on her criteria Done with this thread, makes me uncomfortable RG

This reminds me of a time I had a call from someone who sounded obviously immature. He was turning 18 and wanted a "hooker" for his birthday. I informed him that I have a minimum age and sorry, I could not see him. He stammered and stuttered and got quite angry at me. I politely declined to see him. 5 minutes later his "father" called me. Claiming he knew a lawyer, and that I was discriminating on the basis of age. I explained to Dad, that I have a right to see who I choose - end of discussion. Call your lawyer, but my lawyer will tell your lawyer that there is no discrimination here, just preferences. Dad then decided he wanted to see a "whore" (his words) and when could I be available. Well, of course, the Irish came out in me, and I politely told him that I don't see men over the age of 30, so therefore I could not see him either. The silence that followed was truly priceless. Some people just don't seem to understand that as escorts (or whatever term you want to call us), we have the right to choose who we see and do not have to explain why we decline to see some people.

The first thing to do is communicate well during the appointment. Maybe she's forgotten some of your favourite details. No problem; bring up the topic of the missing bits with a smile and a laugh, and guide her and the session on the course you had discussed. If you haven't established friendly, positive back-and-forth communication with your provider, then that's your first problem right there. Then again maybe there's some reason why, now that the moment is upon you both, she doesn't really feel comfortable following through. Again, communication during the session is key. Raise the subject in a friendly way to make sure she hasn't forgotten, and if she's not comfortable with X, work together to find another way to have fun that works for both of you. But ultimately, if all of your discussions to resolve the problem fail, then you need to remember that the contract between the client and provider is solely for time spent together in which things will probably happen, but there's never a guarantee. She's a human being, not a vending machine; your money gives you no claim over her body. So all of those details you discussed are requests, but there's never an ironclad guarantee they'll be fulfilled. If you ultimately aren't satisfied with a session, and your conversation with the provider hasn't resolved that to your satisfaction, then just don't go back. Chasing after your money with "but you didn't do X! Give me Y dollars back!" is crass and fruitless. And, last of all: don't compare sex work to other industries. The comparison is always misleading when it comes to these types of up-close human interactions. Your SP is not your mechanic.

First we don't know why the lady will see "White Gentlemen Only" Maybe racism. Or maybe as has been mentioned, she may run the risk of being discovered because her circle of acquaintances is a small non white community (hope worded right) or maybe as also mentioned, maybe something traumatic (PTSD) happened to her by someone of a certain non white ethnicity. Ladies in their advertising generally speaking post their photos, age, weight, body type etc etc etc. A gentleman looking for companionship but doesn't want to see a lady of a certain ethnicity can just do so from viewing ads without publicly stating he doesn't want to see someone of a certain ethnicity. He doesn't have to post "looking for white women only" But a lady not wanting to see someone of a certain ethnicity has only a couple ways to do it. First, post it in her ad, or second, in her contact form have the potential client state his ethnicity. And another spin on this. Would a gentleman who is non white really want to see a lady who wants to see white gentleman only. Because that could mean she is going to end up getting pressured to have sex with a man she doesn't want to have sex with. And that is the thin edge of the wedge to sexual assault. Irrespective of what we think of her advertising white gentlemen only, it is her body. And she, she alone gets to decide who she has sex with My advice is to move on, and be with a companion who wants to be with you. It sucks she restricts herself to white gentlemen only, but you also don't know why she has that restriction RG

I'm gonna play the devil's advocate, but is racism actually happening here? I too have my ethnic/cultural preferences in who I want to pay to see. Would one call that discrimination or racism or just selective purchasing? So, I assume the SP has the same right of choice as do I. For an SP, that same right of choice is just labelled as racism? Is my understanding correct?

I understand that it's the providers right to accept or turn clients by her own free will, and she has the right to see who she wants, under what ever circumstances. But, you have to realize that some people will take offense to blatant racism. Yes it is their problem, but no need to be so blunt and harsh about it. Just my opinion though, but racism is so 20 years ago.

You guys are like little detectives! I suppose I should help you out a bit though. We are all still independent however we have been screened and interviewed before being brought into the team to help one another out. Nikki knows what she's doing so you can be reassured that any of us in the team do too;)

I believe in marriage, I just don't believe in spending 10,000-20,000+ on a wedding, when all that money could go to getting me drunk, or a big honey moon, or a new car, or a down-payment on a house.

I don't agree with you on this. Flying to USA, you actually go through an American-controlled security check before you even get on the airplane. Also, I don't think they care about inconveniencing people who they perceive as a threat. It doesn't matter if you've already landed in one of their airports. If they think you are a threat, they will go through the trouble of getting you to go somewhere else.

I just think it is interesting that there sometimes seems to be a few people who join this 'recommendation' site and seem to want to turn it into a 'review' site because they can't fathom the idea that anyone would post positive experiences. There is this idea perpetuated by review sites that the only 'honest' reports are negative ones, or if it does have some positive elements, there must be room for some critiquing and/or trashing, in order to legitimicize the report. i am reminded of a long time member on a board that no longer exists, who actually said that he always included something negative in the review, even (it seemed) to the point of nitpicking one small thing that wasn't even negative. He actually posted a review of a massage provider who he had a great experience with, and his negative comment was that 'she looked just like her recently posted pics". His 'problem' with that is that he figured she should look better than her pics, and therefore was disappointed in her for not surpassing his unrealistic expectations. I've been on an advertising site that added a forum, and sure enough this same kind of 'must have reviews' element came on guns blazing trying to turn that into a review site of some sort, as well. Sps had negative trashing comments posted on their profiles by these guys, and endless threads started with fake pics or std warnings, and all that. It didn't seem to make any difference to them that the rules stated this was not allowed, and that it was an ad site only. The forum set up 'told' them that if they can make a post, therefore they are 'allowed' to say whatever they want to say. The forum is now shut down, and I doubt it will ever come back. Ad sites with forums, like cerb, have to make it very clear about their rules, because someone will always come along and state they have a 'right' to post whatever they want. So, this can be the kind of thing that people post in these 'reviews', that and complete nonsense and lies, and exaggerations and misleading remarks. Along the way there are good and positive experiences, but all too often even in those someone sometime has to add into it "too expensive for me!" and/or "no bbbj, she's OFF my LIST". I am always puzzled by the fact that some guys can't seem to manage to use the recommendations, in the way they are intended. They will post a 411 enquiry about who they should see, who is a safe sp, who does a great bj, or whatever, but seem to have a problem just looking at who has already been 'recommended' to see by one or many guys. Just puzzling.

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At the risk of sounding a little harsh, I think a fair review is just that. And it is up to the reader to interpret and take away what they will from any review. Compare this to any other review system. There are always going to be people who will twist their reviews to the negative based on personal preferences that will mean nothing to most people. Then again, there may be some critical information that didn't come across in the ad (sorry ladies, and believe me I think you are all fabulous, but you don't ALL have a technique that is different and better from every other provider on the planet, the nicest cleanest incall, etc.). From a very much newbie hobbiest's point of view, this is a very expensive hobby (and you are very much worth it) but if a bit of information, and I DO NOT mean a personal attack here, lets me be confident that I am approaching the right person for the service that is best for me, that is very important to me. This is the nature of a public service industry, and some people may not be cut out for it. I would recommend putting as much info as possible in your ads, link reviews you want potential customers to see so we don't go searching and find Mr. Pettyman's rant on another board, and a big one, if your concerned about being knocked on looks, include multiple pics so the person reading the ad can see for themselves and not get some guy with unrealistic expectations giving his 2 cents...

it's good to see there are still people out there who don't just jump right on the witch hunt band wagon. most times the very hint of racism causes people to just lose their minds! the escorting business cannot be compared to a grocery store. a grocery store is a necessity...people must eat or they will die. you going to die if you dont get to spend an hour with one specific female? i doubt it.

Seems a bit harsh no? All he did was ask a simple question and you seem to have just dismissed it as common sense. To actually contribute to the thread productively, just do as was mentioned. If you think there might be a preference in race, just casually add it into your introduction and proceed from there. As far as I have seen, not many sps/ma's do this, but there is always the odd one that might. Happy hunting