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If a client refused to put the envelope down at the beginning of an encounter, I would ask him to leave. Someone holding money over my head for me to perform for them is not a way to make an encounter enjoyable. It would make me feel like he is playing power games. I ask my clients to put the money down before we take our clothes off. You get that out of the way, because do you want your girl worrying the whole time that you aren't going to pay her? It's something I hated at the spas too. THere it was standard to pay after, and guess what, there were a few men who enjoyed my service only to tell me after, 'OOPS, forgot my wallet! Don't worry, I'll come back'. Who wants to guess if they did? Stop comparing us to mechanics. Yeesh. If you are paying a woman to get naked for you, for her to perform intimate sexual acts for you, you give her the respect to pay her first. Do not power-trip and refuse to pay until she performs. I can't even believe someone would think this is acceptable.

Do you think maybe those two things are related, just not the way you think? If thanks to your behaviour the session begins with the SP actually having to come right out and remind you about paying the fee before you'll pay her at the start, then some of that "YMMV" you refer to elsewhere may have kicked in... and you may find the session goes a little more tortoise, and a lot less hare. (Plus, it sounds like you'll have decided that since she asked you to pay up front she must not be "relaxed, fun and for real," and you've maybe gone all pouty and ill-disposed. Little wonder things seem to go poorly on those occasions.) Look, the women here take enough personal risks every day in this profession. As clients, one of our first priorities should be to never contribute further to those risks if we can avoid it. One of those professional risks is guys who dick around about the fee -- negotiating, pleading, or looking for a way not to pay at all. The fact is, when you don't produce the agreed-upon fee up front, it's not clear whether you're planning to pay at all. You've imposed risk on your provider where none was needed. I'm frankly stunned you can find anyone who agrees to this arrangement. Treat your provider with respect and remove that particular risk from the equation. In my experience, paying smoothly and up front establishes your own trustworthiness, and helps gets everything off on the right foot. I'd personally be ashamed if I ever considered doing otherwise.

Guys haven't been fooled into thinking this is the 'norm', this actually is the norm. It changes the dynamic when the sp is afraid she is providing the service to someone (new or regular) who may not pay her. I am not sure how that 'dynamic' is going to be a good thing. An sp who isn't going to provide certain services, isn't going to provide whether you prepay or post pay, and what are you going to do if you don't get what you believe she promised? Not pay the fee you agreed to pay when you made the appointment? Are you going to have her shout and berate you when you decide you aren't going to pay her what she told you was the rate before you made the appointment? Are you prepared for her to follow you out of the building, take down your license plate, and post your name, # and car on the internet because you ripped her off? or are you simply going to pay her the fee in full. And if you are going to do that at the end, why not just do it at the beginning, and get an sp who is not tense and afraid that she is going to be, yet again, ripped off? I wonder how you think you can get away with that, when someone is charging for her time, and you spent the time with her in full lol To me, the only sps who are ripped off are the ones who accept post pay, and the only guys who are going to rip off sps, look specifically for sps who take payment after. One of the worst things any reviewer can do to any sp, especially if she is new, is mention in the review that she takes post payment. The only exception that i find acceptable to sps who do a post payment method are sps who work in a spa, massage parlour, with others, because the client comes in knowing she has backup, the place has security cameras, and so on. I still think it is a bad idea, and mp attendants still get ripped off due to this sort of policy, but at least there is more than one vulnerable sp in the place with a client who has decided to not pay. Additional Comments: Not every business is like this business tho, and for that matter, many estimates from a mechanic, for example, rarely matches what you end up paying even tho the work done is the same work agreed upon lol. It doesn't matter if they take and put away the payment. It doesn't always matter what they said (or texted or emailed) prior to the booking. You are meeting a new sp, and assuming she did the booking, it might not be true, or it might be she doesn't connect you with the questions she answered before. She might be confusing you with the guy who didn't want DFK. So what you do is face to face prior to handing over the money, is go thru that list of things that got you to the door. Most sps in your area have a money for time set up, not a money for specific services set up, so if you get your time, there is no opening to ask for a rebate. If you don't get your time, or there was an extra charge to go from GFE to PSE (which I take from accompanied showers, DFK and toys could be the case), then you could ask for that amount back. If she doesn't upcharge for toy show, then no, there isn't any amount you can ask back because you have not been charged a particular specific fee for that. you see where I am going with this? Communication gets you to the door, but once you are inside that door with a new provider that you don't know how credible her promises were, you just run thru them again face to face minutes before sessions starts. She can't avoid not providing something, if she promises it directly to you, she can't be confused about who she is seeing who was asking to do more, and who asked to do less, for example.

If this approach works for you and the providers you see, and is mutually agreed-upon, then that is what works for you. I think what is problematic here is that you are advocating that everyone should follow this approach, and that if they do not, then they are being fooled, or ripped off, or that they won't receive the services agreed-upon if they do not pay at the end. If you don't want to see providers who ask for the money upfront, that is your choice, and you will have to choose providers who are okay with this. But please don't advocate that everyone should go against the rules set by some providers -- there are many, many reasons why we choose to ask for the money up front, including ensuring that we ARE getting paid.

I've been trying to step back and see your point of view, but I just can't get my head around it. You say "simple, smooth, no issues" but I question what happens if you feel you didn't get what you expected. It's hard not to picture you calculating in your head what % of services you received and only giving that much of the donation. Or if you don't receive everything arranged ahead of time, do you not pay at all? If you don't pay the full donation, then even if you didn't get every agreed upon service I'd still say you were in the wrong. Not happy with an encounter, then don't repeat with that provider. But if you spend the time, then leave the donation. It's as simple as that. If on the other hand at the end you're always giving the full donation amount (as you imply happens above) then I don't understand why you wouldn't leave it at the beginning as most people seem to prefer. Even if you personally have had experiences with ladies that don't mind waiting until the end, can you truly not see how most--even if they don't express it to you during the encounter--would be spending the time worrying about it and be more at ease having the donation out of the way? How it doesn't at least appear like the client is holding the threat of not paying over her head? Even if it's not a power dynamic to your mind, can you not see how it appears that way and would be used as such by others? Bear in mind too that the ladies are always taking more risk than the gentleman, especially with first time visitors. Yes, there are dangers for the gentleman and obviously an encounter may be a disappointment. But compared to how much a lady has to protect herself from it's hard to compare. So as Mightypen said, anything that clients can do to help put a lady at ease, we should do. Doing your research, being respectful, and booking with reputable ladies will do a lot more to ensure a positive encounter than withholding a donation until the end ever will.

The first thing to do is communicate well during the appointment. Maybe she's forgotten some of your favourite details. No problem; bring up the topic of the missing bits with a smile and a laugh, and guide her and the session on the course you had discussed. If you haven't established friendly, positive back-and-forth communication with your provider, then that's your first problem right there. Then again maybe there's some reason why, now that the moment is upon you both, she doesn't really feel comfortable following through. Again, communication during the session is key. Raise the subject in a friendly way to make sure she hasn't forgotten, and if she's not comfortable with X, work together to find another way to have fun that works for both of you. But ultimately, if all of your discussions to resolve the problem fail, then you need to remember that the contract between the client and provider is solely for time spent together in which things will probably happen, but there's never a guarantee. She's a human being, not a vending machine; your money gives you no claim over her body. So all of those details you discussed are requests, but there's never an ironclad guarantee they'll be fulfilled. If you ultimately aren't satisfied with a session, and your conversation with the provider hasn't resolved that to your satisfaction, then just don't go back. Chasing after your money with "but you didn't do X! Give me Y dollars back!" is crass and fruitless. And, last of all: don't compare sex work to other industries. The comparison is always misleading when it comes to these types of up-close human interactions. Your SP is not your mechanic.

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You don't pay for service, you pay for time. I think this is the simple way to look at it. Any letter combo posted by a provider (bbbj, dfk, cob, and so on) mean nothing, the provider and only the provider makes the descion on what services are provided based on the client upon meeting and talking with them in person. Texting, email and PM is a very impersonal way to communicate. A great example a provider a has the power to refuse digits if I have cuts all over my hands for her own and my safety. Posted via Mobile Device

The fact that you insist it makes it more enjoyable for you without knowing if it made the experience more enjoyable for the providers is interesting. As Cleo mentioned, it brings power dynamics into play. Remember, we get paid to pretend to like our clients, no matter how distasteful they may be, especially if the rent is due or our kids need braces. I can assure you, until a providers trusts a client, she will be focused on whether or not she's going to get paid. It would make me question if the providers you choose are desperate for work and therefore vulnerable to your demands. The key is that you wouldn't know if that was how she was feeling if she was a professional. As a client, that's not a question I would want to wonder about given the nature of the service at hand. It would make me wonder why she would allow this, why would she take this risk? There is a reason, I guarantee it and it isn't because she trusts you given she has never met you... cat

Dude. You dug yourself this hole. Reread your posts. What FilmGeek said to you was SPOT ON. It's as basic as this, if you (the general you, not you specifically) can't read the extensive info that's been provided on our websites and in our ads, if you're in such a rush to get your dick wet that you can't even bother doing a bit of internet research (hi, there are guides to client etiquette out there: a quick google search of "escort + client+ etiquette" pulls up this link http://bellastr26.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/client-etiquette/), you should just wank off. If you have read it and can't be bothered to follow our rules/requests/etiquette, that says a lot about you and it's a GIANT RED FLAG. Dudes who can't respect virtual/online requests sure as hell aren't going to respect my wishes in person. I am running a business; my website is written to answer as many common questions as possible. I still get a billion "what are you rates" or "where is your incall" questions when all of that wonderful info is provided on my website AND in my ads. Usually I redirect to the site. If you come back with yet more questions that have already been answered, well you can just forget seeing me. I don't have time to repeat everything that I've already spent enormous amounts of time SPELLING OUT for you. Not to mention, if you made it as far as making an account on CERB, then you can access the "new to this?" section and don't need to be making excuses about not knowing how things work.

I trust somebody once to pay after.. Still waiting after my money few months later! Never again. Period.

To me, a time waster is someone who plays 20 questions about meeting but never or rarely books. Like the guy who writes/texts/phones me multiple times about meeting up when he's in the area, then, whoopsie, something comes up. It happens, for sure. But it also happens that there are people who get almost as much pleasure out of almost seeing an SP, with none of the risk or expense. Who knows why? But it's not just this. Over the years, I can't say how many times someone cornered me at a party to tell me about the time they _almost_ made a skydive. To avoid being viewed as a time waster, don't contact until you're reasonably sure you can make it.

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I have followed the tread from my experience it fall into following instruction..leaving the donation at the beginning g of the session is what is expected in the world of hobbiests,ponder so courtesan escort... Personally I would agree with Cleo toward the reference of wade cash waving at you... Like a carrot to a donkey..it happen to me and I asked the person to Save It doesn't make a difference if you pay after to get a session that be satisfy...i think it may does with non pro If the lady has a reputation and been establish there are no reason to believe she wont deliver what she advertise I have been in situation where the enveloppe was provided upfront(in usa) And at the end I realize he paid for my Pse not Gfe...as in USA they are no discussion prior because of the law I made him aware that they were too much in it On the other side I had a client booking me for 1 h Put down the enveloppe and stay for 1.5 The donation was shorted by time and rates I had guys try to give me Canadian tire money Gift card.. So i am more relax to get the donation upfront If I feel my session wasn't up to par because of me...I have in the past suggest discount or make up session But you holding the donation until they end is nerve racking for us...Suggesting others follow your trace is giving the guys with bad intention easier opportunity Vj

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I have had the pleasure of spending plenty of verrrry memorable time with our wonderful ladies. I have yet to meet one that didn't expect payment up front ? Ever ! If the time came that I had to actually worry about that or ask them if it is OK to pay them when my boots are back on at the door ..... I shall quit.

Has any other SP noticed that the longer the list of requests in advance the higher the odds that the client will NOT show up for the date? I have noticed that it makes no difference if I agree to all or some or none of the requests, the longer the list of advance demands, the lower the odds that the client will actually show up for the date. Personally, I no longer read long emails or texts of demands. If it looks like someone had his hand in his pants while typing, I delete. This one policy of deleting anything long or graphic has done wonders to cut down on the no show problem. An email or a text to an escort should not look like a submission to a porn magazine or porn website. What I found is that some clients are wonderful and it is a pleasure to spend time with them and some clients are total nightmares whom I would never see again for any amount of money. Most people are somewhere between the two but more are close to the positive end of the scale which is why I am still here. No email or text list is a substitute for meeting the real person in the flesh. It is impossible to access what will happen until such time as you meet the actual person. You cannot get an estimate on your car repair until the mechanic meets the actual car. Your experienced long term service provider Valerie

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It would be fun to have Faulty on board for comic relief actually! The fact is I do run a business and I know I have to cater to guests somewhat. But when someone has rubbed me the wrong way enough to give me mental rug burns, it makes it exceedingly hard to have sexy time with them authentically. I'm pretty tolerant of newb questioners, tire kicking financially challenged inquirers reschedulers and high maintenance, constant ecomm guests. What is difficult for me is usually the timing. Murphy's law always sends these guys my way when my personal life is over demanding or things are stressful. This magnifies the annoying exponentially and at times I teeter on the fragile edge of ripping someone a new one. I always realize it's me that has the issue and I need to either ignore the request completely or send them a cut and paste response to ensure I don't cross a line. I can be quite cutting at times because I'm not fluent in sarcasm so I just drop an anvil on them when my edit button malfunctions and the damage is usually irreparable... cat

As acqua mentioned is not about how does more or about who charge less...its about amazing experiences and all ladies on industry that offer nuru... competition is not about undercutting just a personal opinion. Is about keeping clients happy and keeping industry in a classy way.

I have been a HUGE fan of nuru for many years now and I would have to side with Gina (Urban Vibe) (Number 1) and Jessica (Indy) (Number 2) as my "all-time" favourites. Although, Alexandria is new at this I have enjoyed sessions with her. Vitto has always provided great session so I may have to check out her with nuru, I suspect that will be great also.

@muncher459 I hope you make your birthday into everything you could wish with someone who will treat you right (you've come to the right place for THAT). 60 is still a young age with lots of pleasure and enjoyment left and anyone who tells you any differently should be given a swift boot to the posterior. Age is just a number and by FAR attitude makes the person as young as they perceive themselves to be. Don't wish to have started earlier, live in the moment and embrace every pleasure you can and think about what you can experience today! *muah*

I just think there is a disconnect from what you think is going on versus what the sps are telling you is going on. You do have a lot of experience, which to me means you are not as familiar as we are with what the typical newbie is going to be doing or asking about. What a newbie guy would ask is 'do I come to you or do you come to me?", nothing about who is paying for what hotel, he doesn't have enough experience to think that one of his options would be to rent a hotel room for the sp to come to him (outcall). i think the sps are naturally puzzled by the insistence that this is a typical (i.e. valid) question, and I think the majority of sps getting such a question would be eye rolling and hanging up/not replying, because if this is an example of how he is thinking, there is no hope he's also going to understand even the basics of setting up an appointment, let alone meeting and paying, and by that I mean, respecting the sp's restrictions, boundaries and limits. And that's assuming she believes he is a newbie potential, and not just an experienced guy playing games. Her first thought is probably the latter. The other issue seems to be that you don't want anyone, mostly sps, telling you any of that. And that is your issue. You can either become reactionary whenever anyone disagrees with you, or even just tries to explain their own POV and experiences, and LEARN from that, or you can continue to repeat your own points, to the exclusion of all others. Some take offense to the sps who do not have patience for very new first timers who sometimes have ridiculous questions. But it is their preference to not deal with first timers, or at least first timers that need a lot of hand holding. Some sps do deal with those guys. I'm one of those kinds. I'll tell someone things that are in the ad, I'll explain the difference between in and out, and give tips for looking at other ads, and making a good choice. But I promote that, and make a good session for someone doing this for the first time. I am not necessarily suitable for the hardcore hobbiest, who actively seeks one time encounters, to review them. I discourage that kind of guy actually, if I feel the caller is too 'checklist' oriented, I'll pass. The types of questions I am getting from the professional client are questions I don't have patience for, and I'm going to treat them like some sps treat the guys who don't read their ads or approach them in the right way. Some pro clients approach me in the way that I want to be approached. The ones who want to do things their own way, will be turned down.

To be honest, this kind of thing is the main reason why I don't tend to request particular things in advance. Yes, there are particular things I like, and I'll definitely go and see someone who I think it likely to provide those things... but I much prefer to let any given encounter play out however it happens to go at the time. And yes, that does mean that I'm not going to tick all of my favourite boxes every time I see someone... but that's OK. If someone's good enough at X, then as far as I'm concerned she can keep me happy without doing Y and Z at all, even though Y and Z are things I generally like. And yes, I'll go back and see her.... again, and again. Unfortunately. If my mechanic left my car in as good shape as SPs leave me, life would be much better...

Mighty Pen's words speak truth. There are times a provider hasn't prepared for the appointment by keeping track of requests. That would require keeping records and that is something quite discouraged by hobbyists. I don't provide a menu or promise a single service when I book my appointments for this reason. If a guest has a check list of activities that must take place during the playdate, I'm not the provider for him and I'm clear about this upfront. If a guest let's me run the session the way my intuition tells me he will leave smiling and completely satisfied. Walk thru my door with specific services demanded and you will be shown the door but I don't keep the envelop. I think it's dirty money at that point and brings no good to my life from a karmic level. A good provider trusts her instincts and if her spidey sense is tingling, the agreed upon services are at her discretion. She needs to be honest about why she won't provide the agreed upon services if she wants to make the appointment work. Won't kiss? Probably a hygiene issue at hand. No shower? She has probably booked appointments after you that weren't on the books when you set up your appointment and won't have time to redo her hair after you leave; or she feels it's a bad judgement call from a safety perspective. There are a 100 reasons the menu will change. Has the contract been broken? Yes. Is she required to give you a refund of some sort? No but if she's smart she will make it right. It's good business to be honest and keep clients happy. This business is only viable if you can build repeat business and violating the agreement doesn't accomplish that... cat

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" The donation is for my time only..." This sentence says it all. It is always the "hobbyist" that request an encounter and ask the SP to be available for him. And it's a duty for the hobbyist to inquire before he ask what he can or can't expect from the SP. And what happens during the encounter does not rely "only" on the shoulders of the SP. Chemistry, feelings, perceptions, expectations, and so on, between two strangers cannot rely on only one side. So, it is obvious to me that when I request a date with a SP, I will pay before hand every penny that was agreed on. Some SPs will wait few minutes to allow the hobbyist to be sure that he still wants the encounter to happen; but even if this is the practice of the SP, the duty of the hobbyist is to pay the full donation. After all, the SP that has accepted to meet the hobbyist at his request, has already given a lot of time to prepare herself, and has blocked a few hours and may have refused to see other hobbyists.

Started in the mid 1970s. Lots of encounters through Europe/Canada/some other crappy places while in the Army. Cumulative total of ladies...at least 500+ over a twenty year span. In the last ten or fifteen years I've strictly limited myself to a few I really like, and only rarely try someone "new". I know two ladies really well,been seeing them for twenty years , and it makes me sad that they will be retiring soon, because I will never have the chemistry or comfort level with anyone again.

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As anyone tried turkey cooked in oil(deep fried), it is supposed to be moist and delicious. I am looking for someone to cook one and invite me for a turkey thanksgiving supper.

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Wow! Everyone is making it sound like some big argument ensues and the SP only succumes because she needs to feed her hungry children. The truth of the matter is that is just doesn't come up. I make the queries, ask the necessary questions, get the necessary agreement and I arrive. We carry out the task at hand and at the end I provide the agreed upon tribute. Simple, smooth, no issues. Please don't turn this into something that the United Nations and UNICEF have to get involved with. And just so there is no misunderstanding, I'm referring to well-establish SP's, whether it be indepenent or via an agency. It is not uncommon. Obviously, if you hand it over when you arrive, no SP will argue the point. Spin it whichever way you like, but it's not at all sinister, evil or demented. Yes, I check and if an SP indicates the money is required up front, I move along. Actually, when the insistance of an envelop is included, I roll my eyes too. Anyway, there are some out here that require it up front and as I've continually indicated, that's all well and good. I don't agree with it and I recommend that others stand up and do the same. If you don't agree with me, that is your right and privilege, but please do not imply that I treat anyone with less than respect. You may, in fact, be stunned, but that is your issue. You know a few SP's on here who all carry the same whip and tone. You simply know not of what you speak. My voice carries weight as I have been present during those times that money is not requested nor given at the get go, with no starving children to be seen. As with any opinion, a contrary view is often seen as a dangerous game, but only those willing to push through actually initiate change. Have a good night one and all.

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Sorry to see this is happening to you. Unfortunately, no, you cannot stop it but the ladies can get around it by screening first/confirming the handle on CERB by sending a PM. If the subject is brought up during or after the encounter, it can also be verified at a later time. It has happened to our friend Cato on here (and another board) and it took a while for the imposter to stop... The "gentleman" was setting up (fake) appointments with the ladies and then pulling no-shows, etc. while using the name Cato.

Thoughts are with you brother, ill keep a whisky poured for ya.

Love a waste of time is someone that does it receptively....to one or several ladies..that lies about the reason of canceling and it doesn't add up..Ya know like my dog ate my homework type of thingy To anyone out there they feel they may I have take that turn..Make good to the sp you have done it the most before shopping elsewhere I for myself a big believer of sisterhood and if they got screwed it hurt me I will stick my neck for them

Just took my pugs to the dog park, and when it was time to go, I started calling my new little lady from across the park. As soon as I said her name, she turned, and she ran to me from across the park. She came to her name, and to me with a smile on her face. I can't even describe how happy this made me, my heart almost exploded. When I adopted her two months ago, I gave her a name, because she was abandoned and I don't know anything about her, or the name she came with. But it doesn't matter anymore, because she has a name - and she KNOWS it!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D

To be blunt, and sorry for butting in however - if you the gentleman want an OUTCALL (an outcall means I come to YOU, not YOU come to ME) then you must provide the location as how else is it going to be an outcall to a hotel? If I was asked this question over and over, I too would not be impressed, and even if it was listed on any of our websites, the gentlemen who need to read that tidbit of info - rarely if ever do. Please do not take this as an attack WriteOn, as that was not my intention.

I am one of those SP's who truly believes in building a rapport between client and SP. It adds to the experience for me, as well as for the client. However, I have my limitations. When a new client I've never seen before wants to email or text back and forth for weeks on end with no intention to book, I tell him to stop contacting me. I don't have TIME to be chatting my time away for free. With a client I've seen before, I rather enjoy keeping in touch. I like hearing how they are, and getting the occasional hello. However, again there are limits. When communication starts to invade my personal time, when communication and actions therein start to invade my personal life, when communications suggest that I engage in things that are inappropriate or when communication, after 5 months, becomes obvious that there is NO intent to book again, with lots of mixed messages and dishonesty confirmed by my colleagues, then yes. You are a time waster. Period. I have always said... When clients are respectful of MY time, I will be glad to look after them. Respect is earned, not a given. Trust, once lost, is difficult to recover and for most SP's, not worth the headache.

Keerist..relaxation is the key. I am absolutely the world's worst at being able to hit an appointment on time. If I'm early or on time, I am amazed. Don't get me wrong- I try, but I don't leave room for error and that is my downfall. Best response I ever got from a lady when I was running late was.. "Relax, I'm not a bitch". That short response was what I needed to hear at that time. She wasn't a bitch and, if she gets held up and running late, I'm not an ahole. This lifestyle takes understanding on both sides and if you find a person you click with, cherish it. It's not uncommon, but it takes two to tango.

Bought a couple new goodies for my new place/early birthday presents for myself! :) Two new TVs! Finally got rid of my old shitty ancient relic tube! Splurged a bit on a sexy 50" plasma for the living room and a nice little 32" LED for the bedroom. So excited! :biggrin:

Vitto mentioned a very important thing, if you receive a particular request and can't commit to it then be honest and say you can't guarantee it but are willing to offer it under the right circumstances, the problem comes when as Christine already stated a provider takes a booking knowing she will not follow up. I agree that yes, there is YMMV but there's also lack of professionalism and being people or our services being too personal does not equal/justify us (escorts/MA's) being deceitful. I also think the way Cat works (I do it very similar to her) reduces issues like this as is difficult to guarantee services that depend of many factors, especially when you haven't met the person inquiring. So the gentlemen that look for particular services have more chances to have a successful encounter if, as suggested already communicate with the lady but also do research on comments made by others who have seen her (recommendations) and pay attention on if the things he is looking for are constantly mentioned, that would give very few chances to not be satisfied at the end of the date.

I have to agree with Cat on this... i am also the kind of person that would not agree to an specific or promise things that I may not deliver. .. I also believe like cat that every encounter is different and I like to let things take its own course... I like to meet the person and also discover through out the session what my visitor likes and enjoys in the massage session. But I also do my best to try and remember previous communication with the person to make sure that if any special requests are made and I have agreed I don't leave them out.

There are some SPs who will promise anything to get you in the door and get your money in hand. But there are some things an SP might have a hard time delivering on after promising, sight unseen. DFK is one. I love to kiss, but DFK, to some people, seems to mean something I'd be more likely to describe as tonsil tasting or attempting to discern what I had for breakfast. Think of it yourself. You love DFK, but when you meet, you discover that your SP, while being clean and not having bad breath, simply doesn't have a taste or a style of kissing that works for you. People don't kiss to satisfy terms of a contract, but to explore, arouse and be intimate with another person. That's why I never feel comfortable being put on the spot to agree to such terms, sight unseen. I've always been skittish, and more quick to write someone off than to push for a sale (and I've only gotten worse with age, I know), but that's something to consider when communicating with an SP beforehand: some are working hard at selling, and others are working hard at identifying who will be a good match. I suspect you'll get your best service from the latter, if she chooses you. But too, I suspect that, like me, such SPs will be put off by someone who wants them to commit to too much, sight unseen. I recommend you only dive into "hammering out the details" of a contract if it's absolutely essential to you. And make it clear that you will not pay if it doesnt happen. But don't be surprised if many SPs wish you well and send you on your way.

It occurred to me also that the Picton enquiry should also highlight the dangers of outcalls, not just street workers being picked up.

kick her to the curb??? ridiculous hoops??? I'm sure statements like that raise warning flags with the ladies. Likely it's guys like you that are the reason ladies require verification and references. Ladies are deserving of respect, and I certainly do not see any respect for the ladies coming from you with that post. You could say you chose not to see ladies requiring references without bashing those ladies who do require them RG