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STOP. :) Relax and take a breath. Nothing is happening, and the cops are not setting up an elaborate surveillance upon you. Your brief tryst was a big deal for you, but the rest of the world didn't notice because it is really quite busy doing other, entirely unrelated things. Did you have a good time with during your appointment? Yes? Great. Let that memory be the thing you take from it. Now take a moment to observe your slight case of paranoia-induced fear, laugh at it quietly for a moment, then throw it away, and move on. ;) And happy Thanksgiving!

If this approach works for you and the providers you see, and is mutually agreed-upon, then that is what works for you. I think what is problematic here is that you are advocating that everyone should follow this approach, and that if they do not, then they are being fooled, or ripped off, or that they won't receive the services agreed-upon if they do not pay at the end. If you don't want to see providers who ask for the money upfront, that is your choice, and you will have to choose providers who are okay with this. But please don't advocate that everyone should go against the rules set by some providers -- there are many, many reasons why we choose to ask for the money up front, including ensuring that we ARE getting paid.

Just going in and not paying the sp before the session starts isn't the same as the sp voluntarily telling clients to not pay her until after the session. To me, this is forcing her to ask for it, and when she does, he makes it quite clear she will be punished for doing that, by leaving. So she's in a really tight spot, the guy who is there versus the guy she can no longer book who does follow her payment policy, but she missed his call due to this character. So, again, just because you do not present the payment in advance and forces the sp to accept it after the session is NOT the same thing as her knowing how to comfortably ask for prepayment. Saying that "lots' of sps take payment after the session is meaningless, to me, without a list of names of sps, to give them a chance to come in and say 'that's not true' or "i did that one time, because I was too scared to force the issue. it worked out OK, but now I know to not be too shy to ask". Maybe you could just list all the websites you've found where the sp does NOT say 'please present the donation at the beginning of the session", or all the many, because there must be tons of them, websites or ads that say, please pay me after the session, I prefer it that way. Did you ever see the HBO series Cathouse? Did you ever once see any of those sps do anything other than chat with a guy before he decided what he wanted, they got the rate settled, and she makes sure he pays? And if he wants more or extra time, doesn't she say, oh, let me take care of that before we proceed? Each and everytime, in that place, prepayment. Hundreds of sps working there, thousands of clients, and no one is post paying. And that is one single location. withpassion, you have NO idea what is running thru the mind of the sp who thinks she isn't going to get paid. It is a really aggressive thing to do, in the minds of some sps. It can also be slightly humiliating to have to ask for it, or to be handed some cash, after the fact. It is a HUGE reminder that this was a paid encounter, when really that part is or should be the last thing you should be ending any session with. And yes, you ARE telling all the guys that they should be doing exactly the same thing, in other words, sending a message to force sps to comply to your demands on this issue. I don't know why you don't see that for what it is, unless this aggressive behaviour is blocking your view? Clients and sps both say it is a bad idea, for the sp, that it is actually detrimental to the quality of the experience, but somehow you like that stick or the carrot of post payment. Others disagree, and you seem somehow offended by the fact that no one here agrees that post payment is actually 'normal' lol Normal to who?

I trust somebody once to pay after.. Still waiting after my money few months later! Never again. Period.

Relax. You appear to have a case of first time jitters. The police have absolutely no interest in you or who you're having sex with. They have much more important work to do. Remember prostitution is legal in Canada. Furthermore, all that happened in the hotel lobby was that a woman texted you and said she was still getting ready. That's an innocent conversation that happens a few thousand times a day between couples across the country :-)... and then she invited you up to her room when she was ready. No problem. Not even close to the definition of public solicitation. While public solicitation is a prostitution related offence, private communication is not. When you originally set up the appointment by text, you were engaging in private communication. Texting or e-mailing someone, while discussing price, is private communication, regardless of where it takes place. You were not publicly discussing, offering, signalling, or negotiating compensation (financial or otherwise) in a public place (street, park, car, bar, hotel lobby etc). A simple way to think of public solicitation is that it is a "nuisance" law to ensure that prostitution activity occurs "out of sight... out of mind". (There are all sorts of safety issues that this raises and the recent Supreme Court hearing is considering these.) It prevents men from soliciting any and all women that walk past them on the street for example. It also prevents extra traffic in neighbourhood strolls. Seeing an escort at their incall location (e. g. hotel or residence) can be considered a prostitution related offence (being found in a common bawdy house). However, as with all indoor prostitution, if the sp and her clients are not doing anything else inappropriate to draw attention to themselves, the risk of any police action being taken is extremely low. The hotel would more than likely deal with it directly and confidentially themselves rather than calling the police. They don't want a bunch of police marching through their lobby, disturbing the atmosphere they have carefully created, unless something very serious is occurring. A couple having sex in a hotel room... As long as you're discrete, the hotel doesn't care, and the police care even less. Whether you're married to each other, common law, lovers, having an affair, a one night hook up, or a client and an sp getting together, it's all just sex between consenting adults.

If a client refused to put the envelope down at the beginning of an encounter, I would ask him to leave. Someone holding money over my head for me to perform for them is not a way to make an encounter enjoyable. It would make me feel like he is playing power games. I ask my clients to put the money down before we take our clothes off. You get that out of the way, because do you want your girl worrying the whole time that you aren't going to pay her? It's something I hated at the spas too. THere it was standard to pay after, and guess what, there were a few men who enjoyed my service only to tell me after, 'OOPS, forgot my wallet! Don't worry, I'll come back'. Who wants to guess if they did? Stop comparing us to mechanics. Yeesh. If you are paying a woman to get naked for you, for her to perform intimate sexual acts for you, you give her the respect to pay her first. Do not power-trip and refuse to pay until she performs. I can't even believe someone would think this is acceptable.

" The donation is for my time only..." This sentence says it all. It is always the "hobbyist" that request an encounter and ask the SP to be available for him. And it's a duty for the hobbyist to inquire before he ask what he can or can't expect from the SP. And what happens during the encounter does not rely "only" on the shoulders of the SP. Chemistry, feelings, perceptions, expectations, and so on, between two strangers cannot rely on only one side. So, it is obvious to me that when I request a date with a SP, I will pay before hand every penny that was agreed on. Some SPs will wait few minutes to allow the hobbyist to be sure that he still wants the encounter to happen; but even if this is the practice of the SP, the duty of the hobbyist is to pay the full donation. After all, the SP that has accepted to meet the hobbyist at his request, has already given a lot of time to prepare herself, and has blocked a few hours and may have refused to see other hobbyists.

You don't pay for service, you pay for time. I think this is the simple way to look at it. Any letter combo posted by a provider (bbbj, dfk, cob, and so on) mean nothing, the provider and only the provider makes the descion on what services are provided based on the client upon meeting and talking with them in person. Texting, email and PM is a very impersonal way to communicate. A great example a provider a has the power to refuse digits if I have cuts all over my hands for her own and my safety. Posted via Mobile Device

I've been trying to step back and see your point of view, but I just can't get my head around it. You say "simple, smooth, no issues" but I question what happens if you feel you didn't get what you expected. It's hard not to picture you calculating in your head what % of services you received and only giving that much of the donation. Or if you don't receive everything arranged ahead of time, do you not pay at all? If you don't pay the full donation, then even if you didn't get every agreed upon service I'd still say you were in the wrong. Not happy with an encounter, then don't repeat with that provider. But if you spend the time, then leave the donation. It's as simple as that. If on the other hand at the end you're always giving the full donation amount (as you imply happens above) then I don't understand why you wouldn't leave it at the beginning as most people seem to prefer. Even if you personally have had experiences with ladies that don't mind waiting until the end, can you truly not see how most--even if they don't express it to you during the encounter--would be spending the time worrying about it and be more at ease having the donation out of the way? How it doesn't at least appear like the client is holding the threat of not paying over her head? Even if it's not a power dynamic to your mind, can you not see how it appears that way and would be used as such by others? Bear in mind too that the ladies are always taking more risk than the gentleman, especially with first time visitors. Yes, there are dangers for the gentleman and obviously an encounter may be a disappointment. But compared to how much a lady has to protect herself from it's hard to compare. So as Mightypen said, anything that clients can do to help put a lady at ease, we should do. Doing your research, being respectful, and booking with reputable ladies will do a lot more to ensure a positive encounter than withholding a donation until the end ever will.

The fact that you insist it makes it more enjoyable for you without knowing if it made the experience more enjoyable for the providers is interesting. As Cleo mentioned, it brings power dynamics into play. Remember, we get paid to pretend to like our clients, no matter how distasteful they may be, especially if the rent is due or our kids need braces. I can assure you, until a providers trusts a client, she will be focused on whether or not she's going to get paid. It would make me question if the providers you choose are desperate for work and therefore vulnerable to your demands. The key is that you wouldn't know if that was how she was feeling if she was a professional. As a client, that's not a question I would want to wonder about given the nature of the service at hand. It would make me wonder why she would allow this, why would she take this risk? There is a reason, I guarantee it and it isn't because she trusts you given she has never met you... cat

At the end of the day, a gentleman should respect a lady's policy for payment and if she requests it upfront, that's what he should do. If he's worried he's going to get cheated out of the service, then maybe he needs to research the reputation of the lady beforehand or look at his own behaviour if he feels this is happening to him on a frequent basis. I can't add much to what was already said by Cleo, Cat and some of the other ladies.

Sorry, but just because somebody doesn't want to get drawn into this argument and say they take payment after, does not mean it doesn't exist. In fact I have personal knowledge that it does exist. Not everyone, not in every case, but it does happen. If some client doesn't want to pay you upfront, then you have the choice to tell them to move on. The same as they have the choice not to see you. If an SP for any reason chooses to accept payment after, then that is their choice, and I am sure they have weighed the pros and cons. To suggest otherwise is rather presumptuous. And because they chose not to post on this thread is not proof that they don't exist. Seriously, given the tone of this discussion, I don't think any of them would post on this thread, with you rounding up a bunch of torch carrying villagers to chase the monster into the windmill. Now I wish the thread would go back to the far more interesting and original intent of discussing what kind of contract a client and an SP have.

I won't be conducting my investigation since mod has not allowed it. That being said, take note that not a single SP has posted that it is her policy to accept payment after the encounter from first time clients. The total lack of SPs claiming to accept payment from first time clients AFTER the encounter speaks more LOUDLY than anything that I can possibly post. If such SPs existed, they would have posted by now. Review fraud should be exposed for the fraud that it is. Certainly, I do not want to be getting a whole bunch of calls, texts, and emails from pretend clients claiming that there is a whole bunch of other nameless SPs who all accept payment after the date and therefore I should also accept payment after the date. That is how review fraud hurts real people.

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I get lost all the time. I tend to ignore the GPS. The path least travelled is often the most interesting.

For many years, I never asked for payment until afterwards, although most volunteered upfront. Lately, though, I had a couple situations in which we both forgot, requiring an inconvenience on the part of the gentleman to make a trip back to pay me. So I have been trying to remember to get business out of the way upfront (before my 56-year-old brain is effed up in a post-multi-orgasmic haze). It's never happened that anyone has refused to pay me beforehand when I've remembered to ask, but if someone did and explained that he was doing so to keep me on my toes, he would find himself back in his car in a blink. As if!

I would hope no children would be present, starving or otherwise! I will say that any provider worth her salt would ensure you got your moneys worth if she was too uncomfortable to ask for it when you didn't present it and breathed a huge sigh of relief when you finally paid. You have never been in that position so you really have no clue how a provider actually feels the first time she meets you and you don't provide the envelop... cat

Has any other SP noticed that the longer the list of requests in advance the higher the odds that the client will NOT show up for the date? I have noticed that it makes no difference if I agree to all or some or none of the requests, the longer the list of advance demands, the lower the odds that the client will actually show up for the date. Personally, I no longer read long emails or texts of demands. If it looks like someone had his hand in his pants while typing, I delete. This one policy of deleting anything long or graphic has done wonders to cut down on the no show problem. An email or a text to an escort should not look like a submission to a porn magazine or porn website. What I found is that some clients are wonderful and it is a pleasure to spend time with them and some clients are total nightmares whom I would never see again for any amount of money. Most people are somewhere between the two but more are close to the positive end of the scale which is why I am still here. No email or text list is a substitute for meeting the real person in the flesh. It is impossible to access what will happen until such time as you meet the actual person. You cannot get an estimate on your car repair until the mechanic meets the actual car. Your experienced long term service provider Valerie

a few of the posts before mine tell him he has nothing to worry about since "prostitution is legal" .... which is true in the case of his texting, not so much in the fact that he visited a lady at her incall location. Additional Comments: reply to the comment made on this post: Regardless of his texting being perfectly OK, I thought someone who is paranoid already may appreciate knowing that incalls are illegal.

How do you know the police were at the hotel for her? Sounds paranoid as a lot of things could bring the police to a hotel. My understanding is that the supreme court of canada ruled that sms (text messaging) is "private" and the "communication for the purpose of prostitution in a public place" law would not apply to a text message as it is not a "public place" and considered a private discussion between two parties. Here is a link to the scc judgement (http://scc.lexum.org/decisia-scc-csc/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/12936/index.do) I however am not a lawyer so if you have concearns I would suggest talking to one. Now... What could be done is this... 1) the police get a warrent for her text messages 2) this would be evidence of her using the same location with multiple clients and therefore the location could be considered a common bawdy house This however is a bit of a stretch. A previous complaint or something bigger may be going on.

Well that's the first I heard of paying after an encounter and still scratching my head over that mindset Starting off an intimate encounter with that much mistrust can't be good. And frankly any lady would be well within her rights to show such a character the door Not only do I pay up front as gentlemen do I now utilize in many cases email money transfers paying for the encounter in full even before I see the lady Ladies take most of the risk in this lifestyle which must be a source of stress for them Why unnecessarily add to their risk and stress by making them during an encounter wonder if they will even get paid A rambling RG

I have followed the tread from my experience it fall into following instruction..leaving the donation at the beginning g of the session is what is expected in the world of hobbiests,ponder so courtesan escort... Personally I would agree with Cleo toward the reference of wade cash waving at you... Like a carrot to a donkey..it happen to me and I asked the person to Save It doesn't make a difference if you pay after to get a session that be satisfy...i think it may does with non pro If the lady has a reputation and been establish there are no reason to believe she wont deliver what she advertise I have been in situation where the enveloppe was provided upfront(in usa) And at the end I realize he paid for my Pse not Gfe...as in USA they are no discussion prior because of the law I made him aware that they were too much in it On the other side I had a client booking me for 1 h Put down the enveloppe and stay for 1.5 The donation was shorted by time and rates I had guys try to give me Canadian tire money Gift card.. So i am more relax to get the donation upfront If I feel my session wasn't up to par because of me...I have in the past suggest discount or make up session But you holding the donation until they end is nerve racking for us...Suggesting others follow your trace is giving the guys with bad intention easier opportunity Vj

Do you think maybe those two things are related, just not the way you think? If thanks to your behaviour the session begins with the SP actually having to come right out and remind you about paying the fee before you'll pay her at the start, then some of that "YMMV" you refer to elsewhere may have kicked in... and you may find the session goes a little more tortoise, and a lot less hare. (Plus, it sounds like you'll have decided that since she asked you to pay up front she must not be "relaxed, fun and for real," and you've maybe gone all pouty and ill-disposed. Little wonder things seem to go poorly on those occasions.) Look, the women here take enough personal risks every day in this profession. As clients, one of our first priorities should be to never contribute further to those risks if we can avoid it. One of those professional risks is guys who dick around about the fee -- negotiating, pleading, or looking for a way not to pay at all. The fact is, when you don't produce the agreed-upon fee up front, it's not clear whether you're planning to pay at all. You've imposed risk on your provider where none was needed. I'm frankly stunned you can find anyone who agrees to this arrangement. Treat your provider with respect and remove that particular risk from the equation. In my experience, paying smoothly and up front establishes your own trustworthiness, and helps gets everything off on the right foot. I'd personally be ashamed if I ever considered doing otherwise.

I have had the pleasure of spending plenty of verrrry memorable time with our wonderful ladies. I have yet to meet one that didn't expect payment up front ? Ever ! If the time came that I had to actually worry about that or ask them if it is OK to pay them when my boots are back on at the door ..... I shall quit.

There was no name calling, insulting, or demeaning. I stated how I would feel if someone refused to pay at the beginning. To me it would feel like a power-trip, so I would ask the man to leave; that does not mean I am calling you a power-tripper. You're not here in my bedroom. If you were, and were refusing to pay upfront, my previous statements would be personally directed at you. But rather, they are included in this thread, so any man reading the suggestion to refuse to pay up front, can read both that suggestion from a hobbiest, and also read how an SP would react if that suggestion was followed.

But when you go to pick up your car without paying, they don't give you the keys and you don't get your car back! This is a ridiculous statement to make. I would love to see what would happen if hobbyists started walking in and refusing to pay for service first, I really would. I am a provider that is fairly relaxed about the timing of fee collection and I have been screwed over many times because of it back in the day. Now, I have provisions in place that if a client screws me (without paying), it will bite him far worse than it will hurt me. I can also say that the first time clients that have stiffed me intended to do so before they ever walked thru the door because I have never in my career promised services I couldn't or wouldn't deliver. State upfront that you intend to pay on the back end and see how many appointments you get... cat

I'm sure experienced SPs will let you know...not always easy to say it the right way coz you dont want to cut the mood...but i did many times say "oh please go gently..." some gent can be more rough...I guess its just passion or excitement building up lol communication is really the key... As for the OP...I'm totally turned on when i know my Partner is...either by hearing his moans... body language...hip movements...whispers in my ears... Thanks to all the gentlemen who like to please and think its a mutual experience...so much more fun...mmmm BJ xxx

I just think there is a disconnect from what you think is going on versus what the sps are telling you is going on. You do have a lot of experience, which to me means you are not as familiar as we are with what the typical newbie is going to be doing or asking about. What a newbie guy would ask is 'do I come to you or do you come to me?", nothing about who is paying for what hotel, he doesn't have enough experience to think that one of his options would be to rent a hotel room for the sp to come to him (outcall). i think the sps are naturally puzzled by the insistence that this is a typical (i.e. valid) question, and I think the majority of sps getting such a question would be eye rolling and hanging up/not replying, because if this is an example of how he is thinking, there is no hope he's also going to understand even the basics of setting up an appointment, let alone meeting and paying, and by that I mean, respecting the sp's restrictions, boundaries and limits. And that's assuming she believes he is a newbie potential, and not just an experienced guy playing games. Her first thought is probably the latter. The other issue seems to be that you don't want anyone, mostly sps, telling you any of that. And that is your issue. You can either become reactionary whenever anyone disagrees with you, or even just tries to explain their own POV and experiences, and LEARN from that, or you can continue to repeat your own points, to the exclusion of all others. Some take offense to the sps who do not have patience for very new first timers who sometimes have ridiculous questions. But it is their preference to not deal with first timers, or at least first timers that need a lot of hand holding. Some sps do deal with those guys. I'm one of those kinds. I'll tell someone things that are in the ad, I'll explain the difference between in and out, and give tips for looking at other ads, and making a good choice. But I promote that, and make a good session for someone doing this for the first time. I am not necessarily suitable for the hardcore hobbiest, who actively seeks one time encounters, to review them. I discourage that kind of guy actually, if I feel the caller is too 'checklist' oriented, I'll pass. The types of questions I am getting from the professional client are questions I don't have patience for, and I'm going to treat them like some sps treat the guys who don't read their ads or approach them in the right way. Some pro clients approach me in the way that I want to be approached. The ones who want to do things their own way, will be turned down.

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I agree with your comment and didn't intend to imply otherwise with my response. My intention was to only focus on the op's question about communication. Thanks for the clarification ;-) To ensure I haven't contributed to any confusion, I've amended my post (#7) to clarify that a hotel incall can be considered a "common bawdy house" which is a prostitution related offence. In addition a client being "found in" a common bawdy is committing a prostitution related offence. The likelihood of charges being laid for either offence are extremely low if the escort and her clients behave discretely.

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I certainly beg to differ. In my experience, the SP's that are relaxed, fun and for real, do not ask for money up front. I've NEVER had an issue about services and/or time discussed and committed to and I've always had a great time. In my experience, the only time I've had trouble with SP's, as far as services and/or time committed, has been when I've paid up front. Of course SP's have a vested interested in having the money up front. I am just relating my own experience. That is the only expectation this thread can expect...personal experience. Now, if they want money right away, I leave. My experience has taught me that much. Guys, do what YOU want and what you are comfortable with, not what you are being TOLD to do by those with vested interest. Of course, this is like anything, it DOES NOT equate to every SP that has ever walked the earth. Just MY OWN experience (and those of a few others). Cheers!

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@muncher459 I hope you make your birthday into everything you could wish with someone who will treat you right (you've come to the right place for THAT). 60 is still a young age with lots of pleasure and enjoyment left and anyone who tells you any differently should be given a swift boot to the posterior. Age is just a number and by FAR attitude makes the person as young as they perceive themselves to be. Don't wish to have started earlier, live in the moment and embrace every pleasure you can and think about what you can experience today! *muah*

After reading all of the posts, I think that there is more agreement here than disagreement. I think that the only issue people have is the original post implying that this experience is evidence that Cerb is wrong to only allow recommendations. Many have pointed out that experiences like this are absolutely not what that rule had in mind. In my mind, this experience right away qualified as a bait and switch before the "bodyguard" even got involved. There was clearly at least an implied threat after that happened. I'm very relieved to hear that that was as far as it went. The idea of this man barging in like that quite frankly scares the hell out of me. There should definitely be a post in the dangerous encounters section, naming names. That is what that section is for. I myself, check it regularly, especially before I book with someone who is unknown to me. I strongly encourage other members to do the same to hopefully avoid this type of situation. In my mind (and I don't speak for cerb by any means) the "no negative review" rule is simply to avoid the cattiness and hostility that it can bring. There is a huge difference between being threatened, and saying something like "A's oral skills aren't as good as B's" or "she needs to lose a few pounds". (The majority of such comments on sites that allow them likely come from jealous competitors, their associates, or stalker ex-boyfriends anyway.) All they do is create an environment that causes many sp's to avoid the boards. So please, if anyone has had such an encounter as this, post it. (in the proper section). It is for the good of everyone to bring these people to light. And thank you to the op for wanting to share this experience. Again, I'm glad it was a safe conclusion. I can only assume that there are many men out there who were not as fortunate. Safe hobbying everyone, Mikey

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24/7 epitomizes that dark deceitful and dangerous side of the industry where clients and providers are put in danger and taken advantage of.

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I know the economy isn't the best but this is pretty sad. If you can't afford the rate of a real woman you should stick to drunk chicks at the club or something.

Dear Gabby, you forgot one excuse on your rant. -I'm trying to save money so I only shower and wear deodorant every second day. Honestly I'm confused why any one would not wear any deodorant on a date. I have been to SC and got girls to dance for me and they had a body odor, sorry but just one dance from her is all I needed. Some will get insulted if you tell them politely.

This is a very common thing with the ladies... Always looking for the "Reason" the business gets slow at times and always looking for answers as to why they get no shows and cancellation more at different times of the year. Most NO SHOWS can be stopped by screening your calls properly. Use the Caller ID and CALL BACK the number to verify it. Most guys will not pull a NO SHOW on someone without having the decency to call and properly cancel if you have their number. They know that come appointment time one very upset SP is going to give them a call asking WTF! It's not 100% but it sure helps for those who screen calls. It also makes the call a little more safer as that phone number is now a connection between the guy and the lady... I doubt someone dangerous is going to want to leave a number that can be traced back to them. Most of the ladies look for reasons when things are slow. I guess most of us do that when the business we are in takes a drop in sales/traffic/work load/etc.... You can spend a good portion of your day trying to figure this one out but it's not really worth the effort. It's WAY easier to just plan for these lows (Put some money aside for the slow periods) and just accept that this is part of EVERY business and it will happen. Stop stressing out and trying to point a finger at what you think is causing the slowness as your just going to convince yourself of something that is probably not correct. We have been tracking patterns in this industry since 1996 and the answer for this is... (Drum roll please)... It has no pattern EXCEPT for a few obvious LOW spots. 1) The end of Aug is SLOW every year! (Kids out of school, getting ready to go back to school, family summer vacations, etc...) This is the most popular summer weekend in the tourist industry!! 2) 1 week before and 1 week after Xmass (No need to explain this one right?) New years day too? NOT... 3) January/February for 2 weeks every year (We sum this up to winter blues and getting your credit card statements from Xmass! but we never know what two weeks it will be but for sure 2 weeks around this time it does drop... one year we did not see this and come April we saw a real low drop for 2 weeks and that was obvious weather patterns (Long winter/early spring ... warm winter/cold spring etc...) it does effect this business and you never know when this is coming exactly... so just put some cash aside for these times. 4) First nice weekend of spring (A lot of the ladies take this time off too) 5) Thanksgiving, Easter, Valentines, long weekends, really large sporting events (etc)... they also effect the business. The rest has NO identifiable pattern. You can try to blame it on the economy as a low economy brings more people into this business causing more competition and the overall amount of "Recreational money" the guys have gets a lot smaller so yes the economy does effect it but a low economy BUT it also brings more guys (New guys) in to the mix as well so it's not hit as hard as one would assume. Remember money and sex are the two big things couples fight about... When the economy drops and the money gets tight the stress levels go up, the fighting between couples goes up and the sex stops!! FACT OF LIFE... and I hate to admit it but that is good for this business for all you ladies!! When economy starts to get good again business will decrease a little at first! It's OPPOSITE of what everyone ASSUMES! As for NO SHOWS... This time of year it will obviously be higher. Kids are still home from school, Family vacations, relatives coming for visits, back to school shopping, etc.. etc... and all those people taking time OFF work for family vacations makes other people have to work more (Overtime to cover shifts, higher work loads, etc) it's all relevant.... A lot of LAST MINUTE things come up this time of the year for the "Family Man" and well... kids and family (for most people) come first so recreational visits take a back seat so stuff will get canceled more this time of year. Picture this... The guy is all ready to come see the lady he has chosen and the door bell rings and it's his brother or uncle or who knows who just "DROPS BY" for a visit... URH!? Probably with his annoying kids and wife... (Many of us have been in similar situations) This happens EVERY YEAR... Come September 17th (Or around that time) once the kids are back in school and the routine is back... things will pick up. Summer sucks as a lot more things can get in the way or throw a guys schedule off. Don't spend all your time looking for reasons why the business slows down.... it happens to EVERY PROVIDER & EVERY BUSINESS ... It can not be busy 100% of the time and it does take a little planning and anticipation.