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So you walk into an encounter assuming you're about to be ripped off? I have to ask: if this is the case, why did you book with her in the first place? If you're going to pay anyway, why bother going to the effort of making the SP you're with worry that you're going to rip her off? What's the point? How does it make the encounter better for either of you? I have no doubt that this is true, although I suspect I'd make the same statement with a rather different emphasis.

That happened to me too a few years ago and since then, I appreciate the envelop at the beginning of the encounter. There is no way I ever want to hear again, while on his way out, "how much do I owe you?" ... tell him the cost for 2 hours-after confirming via email prior--can you say awkward?-- and dealing with the fact that the "gentleman" didn't even have close to what he owed me on him OR have a new client say "sorry, I left the envelop at home or at the office, can I come back to pay tomorrow?" and you guessed it, he becomes the best disappearing act you have ever seen! Under the circumstances, being trusting with a new client or with someone you haven't established a comfortable level of trust with is, unfortunately, not to a lady's advantage and by not receiving payment upfront, it is automatically putting the lady companion in a most vulnerable and precarious situation. On top of this, if you know the lady requires her donation upfront and you decide to show up and refuse to pay upon arrival and when she reminds you of the "let's get he business aspect out of the way first so we can forget about it" and you decide to leave because of it, you have just become a major waste of time on a power trip! Things like this are not up for negotiation. It is what it is because ladies do not want to get taken advantage of. Period. Nothing more, nothing less.

The arguments I have read so far (just skimmed the thread) about not paying ahead of time are ludicrous. Why on earth would I ever trust someone I had never met before to follow thru at the end our our encounter. I would be on edge, anxious and not a heck of a lot of fun; but hey, if that gets you off, guess it's another story!

I'm operating under the premise that the only ones posting fake bad reviews are disgruntled clients who didn't get what they wanted from the sp, even if what they wanted was to pay after the session. :) :p And I'm also operating under the premise that just because a site has a recommendation only policy, it does not at all make reasonable people think that all the recos are fake shill inflated glowing reports. Even on sites that allow the trash and bash fests, there are still lots of good reviews because there are still lots of great sps. I've always been puzzled by someone's negative willingness to believe the bad reports, but not the good ones, even to the point of excluding all the good ones just because one person posts a negative comment somewhere. Are all bad reviews fake? Probably not. But neither are all good reviews fake. Hence the term 'review fraud', and I don't know many sps who haven't been victims of review fraud of some kind or another. A fake review posing as a good one, indicates services provided the sp doesn't offer, increases her calls requesting those services. Causes trouble for her. Why does she want a good review pulled? Because it was giving misinformation. How many sps have requested edits or removal of these kinds of reviews? How about most if not all of them. Additional Comments: It occurred to me that in fact an sp who wasn't paid in advance is very likely to withold some services, or make sure the time ends at the half hour if not sooner. After all, she has no guarantee he brought enough money for the encounter he claims he wanted. He says he wants the full package for an hour, she thinks what if she provides that and he hands her enough for a half hour massage, and says, oops, my bad? This method is far more likely to lead to a short change in services, no wonder he thinks it works for him, I can't imagine too many sps providing the full deal without seeing he's got it with him.

Things have changed a lot since I became involved in this activity. It might have always been this way and I just didn't know the extent of it. There have been local girls who have either been forced out or had to go underground in order to operate. There's no doubt it's jealousy and frankly $$$. On one hand I'm a supporter of the local community but on the other hand like any business if the local community can't provide what the buyers want then they will look elsewhere which certainly seems to be what has happened here. Is it the nature of the beast? Perhaps it is. Too bad as some good providers and good clients will fade way when it becomes too much hassle. Peace MG

It actually does happen in a lot of other cities, however with the Maritimes (Including NFLD) being much smaller in comparison population wise - the amount of BS this year alone is worse than in any other place (see for once Im not bashing just Moncton :) The real problem behind all of this; is jealousy. What most fail to recognize is some of these new to the scene ladies (and some more experienced ones) are far from nice when it comes to other women. (don't get me wrong they will be sweet as pie when it comes to a client) They see any other women who is successful as a threat and resort to childish and immature behaviour ie: fake booking form bookings, endless emails or fake texts as well as slanderous ads on other sites. Dealing with all of these things take up ones time that could be better spent doing many other things. This has been going on for a long while, however as of late it has been getting worse(and not just in the Maritimes). The end result will just mean less reputable ladies visit these cities. It is very expensive to tour, and it is hard enough to stay safe without some crazy causing problems. I know Victoria well enough, to know that if she felt she had to post about this issue publicly - the BS was bad and I don't blame her for not wanting to visit again.

Victoria my sweet, I think what that other SP is doing to you and other SP's is ridiculously childish. Why does She need to worry about competition? If she was offering a service that clients enjoyed, then her service would sell itself. Instead she plays immature games to try and mess with other people. I think that letting her win, so to speak, is a bad idea. She doesn't get to bully everyone. I live here -- and I too have gotten some insane emails lately. More than usual. But I'm not going anywhere... So I just pay no mind and keep doing what I'm doing. You are an upscale, well respected SP. Keep doing your thing. The trash will fade and the pathetic will lose. Xoxo

At the end of the day, a gentleman should respect a lady's policy for payment and if she requests it upfront, that's what he should do. If he's worried he's going to get cheated out of the service, then maybe he needs to research the reputation of the lady beforehand or look at his own behaviour if he feels this is happening to him on a frequent basis. I can't add much to what was already said by Cleo, Cat and some of the other ladies.

I find it disturbing that an SP is trying to destroy your reputation. I hope any gentleman that hears anything negative about one SP from another will stop and ask the very important question: "Why is she telling me this?"

If a client refused to put the envelope down at the beginning of an encounter, I would ask him to leave. Someone holding money over my head for me to perform for them is not a way to make an encounter enjoyable. It would make me feel like he is playing power games. I ask my clients to put the money down before we take our clothes off. You get that out of the way, because do you want your girl worrying the whole time that you aren't going to pay her? It's something I hated at the spas too. THere it was standard to pay after, and guess what, there were a few men who enjoyed my service only to tell me after, 'OOPS, forgot my wallet! Don't worry, I'll come back'. Who wants to guess if they did? Stop comparing us to mechanics. Yeesh. If you are paying a woman to get naked for you, for her to perform intimate sexual acts for you, you give her the respect to pay her first. Do not power-trip and refuse to pay until she performs. I can't even believe someone would think this is acceptable.

I'm in!! All paid up and getting excited :)

Sorry, but just because somebody doesn't want to get drawn into this argument and say they take payment after, does not mean it doesn't exist. In fact I have personal knowledge that it does exist. Not everyone, not in every case, but it does happen. If some client doesn't want to pay you upfront, then you have the choice to tell them to move on. The same as they have the choice not to see you. If an SP for any reason chooses to accept payment after, then that is their choice, and I am sure they have weighed the pros and cons. To suggest otherwise is rather presumptuous. And because they chose not to post on this thread is not proof that they don't exist. Seriously, given the tone of this discussion, I don't think any of them would post on this thread, with you rounding up a bunch of torch carrying villagers to chase the monster into the windmill. Now I wish the thread would go back to the far more interesting and original intent of discussing what kind of contract a client and an SP have.

Do you think maybe those two things are related, just not the way you think? If thanks to your behaviour the session begins with the SP actually having to come right out and remind you about paying the fee before you'll pay her at the start, then some of that "YMMV" you refer to elsewhere may have kicked in... and you may find the session goes a little more tortoise, and a lot less hare. (Plus, it sounds like you'll have decided that since she asked you to pay up front she must not be "relaxed, fun and for real," and you've maybe gone all pouty and ill-disposed. Little wonder things seem to go poorly on those occasions.) Look, the women here take enough personal risks every day in this profession. As clients, one of our first priorities should be to never contribute further to those risks if we can avoid it. One of those professional risks is guys who dick around about the fee -- negotiating, pleading, or looking for a way not to pay at all. The fact is, when you don't produce the agreed-upon fee up front, it's not clear whether you're planning to pay at all. You've imposed risk on your provider where none was needed. I'm frankly stunned you can find anyone who agrees to this arrangement. Treat your provider with respect and remove that particular risk from the equation. In my experience, paying smoothly and up front establishes your own trustworthiness, and helps gets everything off on the right foot. I'd personally be ashamed if I ever considered doing otherwise.

I don't think this is much of a problem here on Cerb. The ladies here are professionals and have their reputations and their livelihood to protect. They have a vested interested in this. But if we are to be fair, we know there are a lot of ladies out there with the intent of deceiving. Just have to read the diary to know this is true. Of course the sp is looking out for her best interests and the client is looking out for his best interests. Don't think anyone is being evil here. I think the best thing guys can do is do their research and make informed choices.

Thanks guys and for sure I will not miss this one

Such good news; thank you gentlemen for this

New quality control testing will be required on drinks. I am up for the task but may need a new liver lol!

I do not know the exact circumstances that lead to the nasty texts but I can definitely tell you that when a lady has pictures available on her website and/or in her CERB albums that asking for more pictures is generally not a good idea; you can easily be perceived as a man who has no intentions of booking and is only collecting pictures. Yes, SP picture collectors are out there. You have to remember and understand that ladies are busy people too and have full lives (and sometimes other work too) outside of this lifestyle. Not every lady is able or willing to become a daily online pen pal with a possible future client.

TEXT YOU ! NEVAR ! What's your number sweetie ? Wait nevermind.... it is in your avatar there Christine ;) I had to chuckle when I read that comment. I did and do text a lot....apparently randomly ? A time waster perhaps but I do show up eventually damnitt :) I like to get to know a lady before I meet if possible and vice versa .... makes for a more chillaxed first meeting and follow up dates. I won't ask you if you give bbbj .... that's for you to know and for me to find out .... but I might ask you if you like Cheez Whiz ! My kinda girl .... but I have had equally good experiences with ladies who keep communication to short and sweet bookings. Go with the gut....Less relaxed perhaps....nervous as fuck actually on first visits for me !! ha But once you meet it is smiles, laughs and shagging and stuff :) Life is good . VJ has discussed the language barrier here and the shorter correspondence. Just the way some gals do business too. Very common and understandable. I was nervous as fuck crossing that bridge to see her first time ! Now I bounce quickly over that bridge on my penis like a pogo stick !! haha ;) Anyhooooooo I do respect your guidelines and parameters ladies .... this thread perhaps opened my eyes a tad bit as to how I operate moving forward. Ramblings from Friendly Manitoba

Yes, my goodness, the cops are the lesser of any problems any sp needs to worry about. And because prostitution is legal, it is perfectly legal for a cop to come and see any sp (although he would probably do outcalls not incalls since incalls are not so legal) I am always concerned about sps who do not understand the laws about prostitution in Canada, and rely on US TV or sites to tell them about it. For those sps convinced that asking that question will help them, keep in mind that in the US LE who do sp stings don't have to answer truthfully, and they can go just as far as those examples shown above, and not be in any kind of trouble at all. No sp is going to complain or report the extent they went to to get the sting done. AND these guys are willing to do it on camera, drop their pants, let the sp touch them, touch the sp, let the sp raise up her top, etc. I've seen them arrest sps who came to them, (in the US mind you), recording the whole thing, and do that, and not once did either of these sps on camera talk about rates and services at any time, but still got arrested. This does NOT happen in Canada. LE is here to help you, not sting you. Even if they knock on your hotel room door, in full uniform, they are there to ask you if you are OK, of age, and not doing this under duress. To the OP, you are giving them a freebie lol. Stop doing that, it could put a target on you as an sp who is green and ripe for being ripped off or worse.

yes, clients would have to be inside the incall location, whether a hotel room, sp apartment or massage parlour room, for it to be considered a chargeable offense. And even then I don't think the clients suffer for that as much as the sp does (loss of income, embarrassment, out of pocket expenses, having to move locations, etc). From what I can see in many LE investigations of bawdy house locations they are looking more for anyone 'living off the avails" in some way, or trafficking, underage sps, coerced sps, etc. And keep in mind, about LE, these are guys who seem to be incapable of reading ads on bp or elsewhere and finding incalls that are mini brothels set up in houses and apartments and staffed by illegal sex workers (as in sps in the country on student or tourist visas that do not allow them to work in any capacity). I have a hard time believing they are capable of knowing who the OP texted, that he went to see an sp, engaged in the legal activity of prostitution, and then followed him home even though all they really needed to do to find out where he lived was look up his license # and stay in the relative comfort of their cars in the hotel parking lot.

The police could, I suppose, treat her using the hotel room as a bawdy house. As others have said, however, in general the police have bigger fish to fry. However, for the client I believe the offence is being "found in" a common bawdy house ... not "having once been to" a bawdy house. For the OP, therefore, I suspect that if they didn't bust in while you were with the lady, then you have nothing to worry about, since you were not "found in" the location. Relax, maybe there is someone operating an incall in your building, or more likely the police have found it a convenient spot to have a nap at night after enjoying a donut. Porthos

" The donation is for my time only..." This sentence says it all. It is always the "hobbyist" that request an encounter and ask the SP to be available for him. And it's a duty for the hobbyist to inquire before he ask what he can or can't expect from the SP. And what happens during the encounter does not rely "only" on the shoulders of the SP. Chemistry, feelings, perceptions, expectations, and so on, between two strangers cannot rely on only one side. So, it is obvious to me that when I request a date with a SP, I will pay before hand every penny that was agreed on. Some SPs will wait few minutes to allow the hobbyist to be sure that he still wants the encounter to happen; but even if this is the practice of the SP, the duty of the hobbyist is to pay the full donation. After all, the SP that has accepted to meet the hobbyist at his request, has already given a lot of time to prepare herself, and has blocked a few hours and may have refused to see other hobbyists.

If this approach works for you and the providers you see, and is mutually agreed-upon, then that is what works for you. I think what is problematic here is that you are advocating that everyone should follow this approach, and that if they do not, then they are being fooled, or ripped off, or that they won't receive the services agreed-upon if they do not pay at the end. If you don't want to see providers who ask for the money upfront, that is your choice, and you will have to choose providers who are okay with this. But please don't advocate that everyone should go against the rules set by some providers -- there are many, many reasons why we choose to ask for the money up front, including ensuring that we ARE getting paid.

Well that's the first I heard of paying after an encounter and still scratching my head over that mindset Starting off an intimate encounter with that much mistrust can't be good. And frankly any lady would be well within her rights to show such a character the door Not only do I pay up front as gentlemen do I now utilize in many cases email money transfers paying for the encounter in full even before I see the lady Ladies take most of the risk in this lifestyle which must be a source of stress for them Why unnecessarily add to their risk and stress by making them during an encounter wonder if they will even get paid A rambling RG

You don't pay for service, you pay for time. I think this is the simple way to look at it. Any letter combo posted by a provider (bbbj, dfk, cob, and so on) mean nothing, the provider and only the provider makes the descion on what services are provided based on the client upon meeting and talking with them in person. Texting, email and PM is a very impersonal way to communicate. A great example a provider a has the power to refuse digits if I have cuts all over my hands for her own and my safety. Posted via Mobile Device

But when you go to pick up your car without paying, they don't give you the keys and you don't get your car back! This is a ridiculous statement to make. I would love to see what would happen if hobbyists started walking in and refusing to pay for service first, I really would. I am a provider that is fairly relaxed about the timing of fee collection and I have been screwed over many times because of it back in the day. Now, I have provisions in place that if a client screws me (without paying), it will bite him far worse than it will hurt me. I can also say that the first time clients that have stiffed me intended to do so before they ever walked thru the door because I have never in my career promised services I couldn't or wouldn't deliver. State upfront that you intend to pay on the back end and see how many appointments you get... cat

Your like a rubiks cube, the more i play with you the harder you seem to get!! About me- Sexy petite 21 year old with long red hair, sparkling green eyes! Out going, bubbly and ready to rock your world!! Providing- Flirty and dirty relaxation massage Soapy sexy showers Reverse massages Body slides Duo massages(4 hands, 2girls) Hotub sessions & you'll leave happy Schedule- TODAY: 3-11 Rates- Single Massage 30mins: $50 45mins: $60 60mins: $80 Duo Massage rates also available upon request Location- Clean, cozy, 65 Bentley, disreet westend location Contact- To book an appointment please send me a PM.

I think you will find lots of info on the different threads. I guess it is a case of doing your homework and now what you are looking for. Everyone here is helpfull. Good Luck let us know how you make out. Kayla (She Devil) is very good and would you make to feel comfortable

A very Happy Birthday to Cowboy Kenny! Hope you have yourself a fantastic day and a big party back at the ranch!!! :D

A few weeks ago, I had the pleasure to finally make the acquaintance of the lovely Savannah Lane. I learned of her months ago, and I simply watched in quiet admiration. Late in the summer, I finally built up the courage to make contact with her. Initially I just got to know her. We traded emails, learned about each other and flirted back an forth. Eventually we made a date for mid-October. At that point she hadn't made any in-call plans, so I requested a date and she obliged. However, less than a week after making that date, I got an unexpected day off, and luckily Savannah also had an in-call that day. Since I couldn't imagine having my desire for her wait any longer, I requested our date changed, and she was more than happy to accommodate me. And boy, am I ever glad she did!! I knocked on the door to her downtown hotel room, the door opened, and no Savannah in sight. I looked behind the door and discovered why. She was dressed in a lovely lace outfit that just covered all of the naughty bits! Before I ever got a chance to sit down our lips were locked as if we were lovers that hadn't seen each other in years. We struck up a bit of a conversation (I think I asked her how she was about five times), and then things got intimate. As always those details remain between us. I can say that I did provide an interesting first for her ;) I booked for two hours, and after the first hour ended, we spent about a half hour to forty-five minutes just cuddling and talking about life. I was as content as I'd ever been with a SP. The entire experience was one that I won't soon forget. Everything I have already read about Savannah is true, and then some! If you ever get the chance to meet this amazing woman, take full advantage!

Happy Birthday CK Enjoy your day RG

a few of the posts before mine tell him he has nothing to worry about since "prostitution is legal" .... which is true in the case of his texting, not so much in the fact that he visited a lady at her incall location. Additional Comments: reply to the comment made on this post: Regardless of his texting being perfectly OK, I thought someone who is paranoid already may appreciate knowing that incalls are illegal.

Happy birthday CK!!! And btw, thank you for your contribution. Enjoy your B-day as much as possible ! xoxo

Have a very Happy Birthday, CK.

Happy Birthday CK from all the sexy ladies at Angel's & Paradise hopefully some naughty cowgirls are in your birthday wishes today!

Happy Birthday, CK, and may thanks to you for your outstanding contributions!

She absolutely legit. She's from bodylanguageent.ca And I checked their tour schedule and Lianne is "as per advertised on bp" in Halifax now. Body language is sending beauties down hear often. Some sites you may want to get on the emailing list of are: bodylanguageent.ca mgf-canada.com vipotg.com (hot asians) gardenofedenescorts.com These sites email when they are sending girls so you can often book before they publicly advertise. Additional Comments: Oh, and here is her cerb link: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152624 Good luck.

To me, a time waster is someone who plays 20 questions about meeting but never or rarely books. Like the guy who writes/texts/phones me multiple times about meeting up when he's in the area, then, whoopsie, something comes up. It happens, for sure. But it also happens that there are people who get almost as much pleasure out of almost seeing an SP, with none of the risk or expense. Who knows why? But it's not just this. Over the years, I can't say how many times someone cornered me at a party to tell me about the time they _almost_ made a skydive. To avoid being viewed as a time waster, don't contact until you're reasonably sure you can make it.

I've been trying to step back and see your point of view, but I just can't get my head around it. You say "simple, smooth, no issues" but I question what happens if you feel you didn't get what you expected. It's hard not to picture you calculating in your head what % of services you received and only giving that much of the donation. Or if you don't receive everything arranged ahead of time, do you not pay at all? If you don't pay the full donation, then even if you didn't get every agreed upon service I'd still say you were in the wrong. Not happy with an encounter, then don't repeat with that provider. But if you spend the time, then leave the donation. It's as simple as that. If on the other hand at the end you're always giving the full donation amount (as you imply happens above) then I don't understand why you wouldn't leave it at the beginning as most people seem to prefer. Even if you personally have had experiences with ladies that don't mind waiting until the end, can you truly not see how most--even if they don't express it to you during the encounter--would be spending the time worrying about it and be more at ease having the donation out of the way? How it doesn't at least appear like the client is holding the threat of not paying over her head? Even if it's not a power dynamic to your mind, can you not see how it appears that way and would be used as such by others? Bear in mind too that the ladies are always taking more risk than the gentleman, especially with first time visitors. Yes, there are dangers for the gentleman and obviously an encounter may be a disappointment. But compared to how much a lady has to protect herself from it's hard to compare. So as Mightypen said, anything that clients can do to help put a lady at ease, we should do. Doing your research, being respectful, and booking with reputable ladies will do a lot more to ensure a positive encounter than withholding a donation until the end ever will.

I have followed the tread from my experience it fall into following instruction..leaving the donation at the beginning g of the session is what is expected in the world of hobbiests,ponder so courtesan escort... Personally I would agree with Cleo toward the reference of wade cash waving at you... Like a carrot to a donkey..it happen to me and I asked the person to Save It doesn't make a difference if you pay after to get a session that be satisfy...i think it may does with non pro If the lady has a reputation and been establish there are no reason to believe she wont deliver what she advertise I have been in situation where the enveloppe was provided upfront(in usa) And at the end I realize he paid for my Pse not Gfe...as in USA they are no discussion prior because of the law I made him aware that they were too much in it On the other side I had a client booking me for 1 h Put down the enveloppe and stay for 1.5 The donation was shorted by time and rates I had guys try to give me Canadian tire money Gift card.. So i am more relax to get the donation upfront If I feel my session wasn't up to par because of me...I have in the past suggest discount or make up session But you holding the donation until they end is nerve racking for us...Suggesting others follow your trace is giving the guys with bad intention easier opportunity Vj

Wow, that'd be awful to find yourself impersonated -- glad you were able to resolve it. My only other comment is: careful about logging into your CERB account from an SP's computer, because one of mod's tools for the site checks for different accounts logging in from the same IP address (to prevent people from doing naughty stuff with multiple accounts). So you and the SP might get a query from the mod afterward.

I just think there is a disconnect from what you think is going on versus what the sps are telling you is going on. You do have a lot of experience, which to me means you are not as familiar as we are with what the typical newbie is going to be doing or asking about. What a newbie guy would ask is 'do I come to you or do you come to me?", nothing about who is paying for what hotel, he doesn't have enough experience to think that one of his options would be to rent a hotel room for the sp to come to him (outcall). i think the sps are naturally puzzled by the insistence that this is a typical (i.e. valid) question, and I think the majority of sps getting such a question would be eye rolling and hanging up/not replying, because if this is an example of how he is thinking, there is no hope he's also going to understand even the basics of setting up an appointment, let alone meeting and paying, and by that I mean, respecting the sp's restrictions, boundaries and limits. And that's assuming she believes he is a newbie potential, and not just an experienced guy playing games. Her first thought is probably the latter. The other issue seems to be that you don't want anyone, mostly sps, telling you any of that. And that is your issue. You can either become reactionary whenever anyone disagrees with you, or even just tries to explain their own POV and experiences, and LEARN from that, or you can continue to repeat your own points, to the exclusion of all others. Some take offense to the sps who do not have patience for very new first timers who sometimes have ridiculous questions. But it is their preference to not deal with first timers, or at least first timers that need a lot of hand holding. Some sps do deal with those guys. I'm one of those kinds. I'll tell someone things that are in the ad, I'll explain the difference between in and out, and give tips for looking at other ads, and making a good choice. But I promote that, and make a good session for someone doing this for the first time. I am not necessarily suitable for the hardcore hobbiest, who actively seeks one time encounters, to review them. I discourage that kind of guy actually, if I feel the caller is too 'checklist' oriented, I'll pass. The types of questions I am getting from the professional client are questions I don't have patience for, and I'm going to treat them like some sps treat the guys who don't read their ads or approach them in the right way. Some pro clients approach me in the way that I want to be approached. The ones who want to do things their own way, will be turned down.

"It's like looking at all the tantalizing pictures of frozen treats on the side of an ice cream truck and trying to decide on just one." Dear penthouse..

Sorry to see this is happening to you. Unfortunately, no, you cannot stop it but the ladies can get around it by screening first/confirming the handle on CERB by sending a PM. If the subject is brought up during or after the encounter, it can also be verified at a later time. It has happened to our friend Cato on here (and another board) and it took a while for the imposter to stop... The "gentleman" was setting up (fake) appointments with the ladies and then pulling no-shows, etc. while using the name Cato.

If you want a busty french MP/SP, you can check out Katrine Cannon. She's on the Quebec side, but only a short drive from the bridge. katrinecannon.com or just message her on here. I may be wrong but I don't think there are any well known public swinger clubs in Ottawa (maybe they're underground). From what I understand it would be difficult to get into a swinger club as a single guy, unless you're really good looking or have a giant schlong. Otherwise all the single guys would go. Good luck. Polydeuces

The first thing to do is communicate well during the appointment. Maybe she's forgotten some of your favourite details. No problem; bring up the topic of the missing bits with a smile and a laugh, and guide her and the session on the course you had discussed. If you haven't established friendly, positive back-and-forth communication with your provider, then that's your first problem right there. Then again maybe there's some reason why, now that the moment is upon you both, she doesn't really feel comfortable following through. Again, communication during the session is key. Raise the subject in a friendly way to make sure she hasn't forgotten, and if she's not comfortable with X, work together to find another way to have fun that works for both of you. But ultimately, if all of your discussions to resolve the problem fail, then you need to remember that the contract between the client and provider is solely for time spent together in which things will probably happen, but there's never a guarantee. She's a human being, not a vending machine; your money gives you no claim over her body. So all of those details you discussed are requests, but there's never an ironclad guarantee they'll be fulfilled. If you ultimately aren't satisfied with a session, and your conversation with the provider hasn't resolved that to your satisfaction, then just don't go back. Chasing after your money with "but you didn't do X! Give me Y dollars back!" is crass and fruitless. And, last of all: don't compare sex work to other industries. The comparison is always misleading when it comes to these types of up-close human interactions. Your SP is not your mechanic.

I had my first "girl crush" when I was 5 or 6 years old and then got interested in boys a little later. As a young teen/adult, I explored with both sexes and could never make up my mind as to which I loved best so I decided not to pick and enjoy both :) and this is how it's been since. MFF were also part of the exploration process... I felt like Einstein when I realized that I could have the best of both worlds, at the same time, by having 3sums! lol When I first started as a companion, I was asked a few times to participate in MFF by a client that already knew the other lady (but I had not met her yet). I took a chance and went with his suggestion because I trusted him... Two of these ladies turned out to be amazing friends and fantastic duo partners. Today though, I am a little bit more hesitant about doing this (I actually won't) because I realize that one needs more than attraction and chemistry to be able to work together on a regular and long term basis. SO, once I get to know a lady and feel that we have genuine chemistry and attraction for one another (the foundation for a rocking hot duo team) and I see/feel we have a similar philosophy, approach and views about intimate encounters (and the business/admin side of things), this is when I/we will consider offering 3sums as a full interactive duo in order to add some spice to our already exciting sex work. Haha! 100% guilty of the above lol and I am not ashamed to admit it EDIT: I am talking about my duo partners in general... not referring to one lady in particular.

WOW! Your willing to risk another woman's safety for your own selfish reasoning. I don't know how you sleep at night... A reference is not doing another's homework or screening. It is plain and simple helping another SP stay safe. Your attitude and response sickens me. When I ask for a reference. I want to know you've seen him. That's it. I don't care what details you have about him unless he put you in danger. If the client contacts me, your not helping me get the client - he's already interested I don't know what bubble you live in but in today's society helping one another stay safe is more important than any amount of money. You should know even though you have a really wrong perception of what a reference is all about. One day after you have a potential bad date or wish to not be high volume and decide to screen that you will need ALL of us SPs you so badly think awful of for screening to vouch for you.... I'm so glad my life and safety means so little to you...

You are right about that. Any client these days that wants to see a wide variety of different sps, is going to have to eventually get on the reference band wagon. Some will need them some won't. It isn't always about safety, it is also about not having their time wasted and not losing $$ in order to set up something with a time waster. Some sps do not require references because they do not have to put other things aside or pay out of pocket to set up appts, and they do not allow long advance notice prebookings. It should be noted that sps who do want references provided only need it one time for each client who wants to book an appt. It isn't necessary to provide them for additional appts lol. Sometimes I get the feeling that it is such a burden of time and energy that it cannot possibly be done by some guys the way they react to the idea.