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I really like what you posted here Cleo. I personally just can't and won't do short encounters like this , but, I don't think that's what these threads about short versus longer encounters end up about anyway (that is the direction this thread has taken); that is, personal preference and mere discussion about the ins and outs of such service offerings. They clearly take on a tone of debasement and abjection and we should all know by now who the stigma largely clings to. To be clear, this statement is not about reducing any one particular comment made by my fellow members to a sum total judgement, but rather, reflects an observation about the overall character such discussion has taken on....and, tends to take on... I was contacted recently by a man who wanted a half hour session with me. When I informed him it was a one hour minimum, he became irate and disrespectful and continued on trying to negotiate obtaining my services anyway...as though I was some sort of irritating pylon to get by to get by to reach his single-minded end-goal. When I told him it was clear to me we were not a good fit due to the hostility I was sensing, he proceeded to tell me I was essentially a 'fat cum dump anyway'. I was astonished. Some say I shouldn't be; that such qualifying, hateful remarks are all around and to be expected here and there if I'm going to remain in the industry. It doesn't matter if it was transparent and pathetic; after all, he'd been interested and turned on enough to contact me! It still hurt, and went to the core of my being. I agree with you, Nicolette (Vaughn), that it is truly upsetting when men seeking our services do not respect our boundaries.....who assert an automatic sense of entitlement to access our time and our bodies without respect for the business model we are going by and the parameters we have set. There is a word for what underpins this; misogyny. This hateful phone call and the length of session of offer, while seemingly a crux of the conflict, was not the problem. So, again, and this is not directed at anyone in particular (at all!), the tone of this kind of discussion so often ends up stigmatizing (mainly) Service Providers while doing little else... Like folks such as Cleo & Kathryn Bardot have highlighted: seek out the services you wish to access, and take the time to inform yourself in advance via ads and personal websites about what is on offer. And, be prepared to accept our answers! And, at the level of our participation on the forum, let's be mindful of how our words and ideas transform themselves from mere subject content and 'free' and 'open' discussion to qualifying value judgments about the relative value of our colleagues, and the customers they bring pleasure to. Service Providers have their reasons for doing things the way they do. It is a highly competitive industry out there. Socio-economic privilege and access to certain markets play a huge role here, as do the personal motivations and short and long term economic goals and needs of SPs in making such determinations about how to run their businesses. Service Providers need our thoughtful care, affirmation and concern. Let's start more threads about that! My two cents! :-) Peace, Anna Additional Comments: p.s. my reference to the helpful commentary offered by Kathryn Bardot on this kind of topic comes from a similarly themed thread entitled "How about 20 or 40 minutes option?"...just wanted to clarify :-)

JoyfulC, I understand where you're coming from, but I think the stigmatization of clients has another effect that we aren't taking into consideration here. When clients are stigmatized, and we don't fight that stigma, it can (and does) lead to their criminalization. There are lots of 'John sweeps' happening in Canada and they don't always happen in the context of outdoor/visible sex work. In Canada we seem to be moving towards a model of regulation that would criminalize the clients of sex workers, but not the sex workers themselves (known as the 'Swedish' model, because this is the system that exists in a lot of Nordik countries). It's easy to criminalize clients if society thinks they're 'gross' (etc). That's another reason why I think it's important to destigmatize clients...

There is no way to separate the two and there are already effective laws on the books for both. Human trafficking is trafficking whether it's for a field worker, house keeper, machine operator or sex worker. No need to change them, simply enforce them. If anything, our trafficking laws victimize the sex worker even more. They are arrested, held in detention then deported while still owing the broker that brought them in for the visa and other costs which they will never be able to pay off once they are back home. And in all honesty the numbers used to support changing the human trafficking laws are so outlandish it's staggering. Once again the Steven Harper gov't proves how truly out of touch they are... cat

Just came to read this thread for the first time and... OUCH people! Wow is all i can say to some of these responses. I used to regularly offer 15-minute encounters when I started in the industry. A lot of guys liked it as a 'quick introduction' and would book longer the next time. They NEVER made me feel cheapened or like cum dumpster. I don't offer them regularly anymore (I don't really offer anything less than an hour) because I personally prefer longer encounters - but I would never, EVER judge someone for wanting a quick release. And I definitely would never demean a woman for offering it. If you need more than 15 minutes, great! You're in a place where many ladies specialize in longer encounters. The 'full experience' so to speak. But some guys can only afford a quick bj. Or maybe their SO is watching their time so really that's all they can fit in. ANd maybe the SP needs to money to pay her rent. If it doesn't work for you, then find what works - but why in the world are people judging and saying things like 'Okay great, glad to see people don't want these encounters'. All you're doing in insulting the people who DO, and the girls who DO offer them. And you know what? I do have one regular gent who pops in when he can for a quick BJ. I like it. He walks in, I get on my knees, and I get him off. Do you think that cheapens me? If you do, I shake my head at you, seriously. I thought this site was the place to keep it to yourself if you're not saying anything nice... well judging and insulting others for their choice of encounters is doing the exact opposite.

Considering the recent discussions here on CERB about fat/skinny body shaming, I wanted to share this amazing website that I came across today! "The Nu Project is a series of honest nudes of women from all over the world. The project began in 2005 and has stayed true to the original vision: no professional models, minimal makeup and no glamour. The focus of the project has been and continues to be the subjects and their personalities, spaces, insecurities and quirks." It is quite a remarkable collection of photographs of a wide variety of real women. It is a showcases and celebrates the beauty in ALL women's bodies, in their natural state. All unique and beautiful in their own way! :) www.thenuproject.com Enjoy!

Respectfully, Nicolette, there is a difference between saying "it makes me feel like xxx" and using a phrase such as "a device" or "As an SP, I offer an "experience" not to be a "cum bucket" for someone's release for lack of better words." Especially the last statement. It can be read as "providers who do offer 15 minute sessions don't offer an 'experience', they are just 'cum dumpsters'." I don't offer 15 minute sessions. I don't like them, they are not for me. But that is the extent to which I will speak to that in public, because I don't know my audience. What I say in private to friends who know me, and know that I am speaking only of my own feelings and experiences... that may be something else. I don't want to alienate providers who do offer these sessions, for whatever reason, or the clients who seek them out. Your two hour booking may be someone else's 15 minute client. That client is still the same person, and that provider is still another person, like yourself, who works as a sex worker. You just do it in different ways, and market to different clientele.

Just read this now. Respectfully Cleo, it was not my intent to insult other ladies who offer 15 min appts. I was simply saying that it makes me feel a certain way ( i.e. a device for a quick release rather than feeling like I'm being treated like a person) and especially since I DON'T offer these sessions and make it quite clear in my ads. Receiving these requests after those who don't decide to fully read my ad is annoying and shows that they clearly are dismissive of my boundaries. And imo, that is the height of ignorance. Those are my feelings and we are all entitled to what we feel and what we are willing to offer and not offer. While you may feel differently, we are all different and provide different experiences as service providers.

All these time increments! I'm guessing this suggestion may be tongue in cheek. What's next, taxi style metres?

Get em in Get em up Get em off Get em out That's what a 15 minute session is all about. Not much fun for the lady.

I just wanted to know that you've noticed any changes in your life since you started seeing MA's or SP's. I know in my case that I used to by shy with women and now I'm not. I seem to have more confidence in myself and walk with my head up more. I've started noticing women looking at me and smiling at me more often :). I've also started looking after my health more. I've lost a lot of weight and am more fit. Probably the best shape in my life since high school. Learning to be a better lover. Have fulfilled several fantasy in my bucket list. Have experience things that I could only dream about. Learnt to appreciated women more and how to satisfy them. Have learnt that women actually like being with me :) What changes have you seen since you started meeting MA's / SP's

Well not all sp do answer their text, e-mails or answer the phone right away when one of us calls and it is because either they are busy or some have a life outside being a sp. I don't mean sp just on bp either but on here too and I am sure you all read my non recommendation of Sexy Quebec Girl Natasha of what she done. On another note I talked to Lexi all week to set up a meeting and yes there was times she never answered right away but for the most part she was good at responding to me. I met her last night and setting up this meeting wasn't hard for me at all. When I seen her face to face, my jaw dropped to the ground and got hard instantly because she was dressed to kill with and very sexy. With the sp's I seen, Lexi tops the best dressed of all of them. I am not going to get into the juicy details of my time with her but she gives the best bj I have ever had. So give her time and be patience because she does not do this full time.

I agree with you Cat. Trafficking laws, and most major proponents of such legislation and related campaigns, including NGOs aiming to eliminate trafficking, end up reinforcing stigma, silencing and violence against migrant workers, and not just limited to sex workers.... Rarely are such efforts aimed at deconstructing or bringing redress to poverty, or unevenly enforced border control measures. We should be suspicious that, to date, very few countries, for example allow for sexual labourers who have been picked up , detained and questioned in such sweeps to actually apply for a visa to stay in that given country. Countries such as Italy are one of the few exceptions. As it stands, international protocols governing trafficking allow for only two options when a worker has been identified as trafficked (a determination often made against the will of these global citizens); you are either a victim or a criminal. And, once you have provided your information, you are then of little value to authorities (and researchers) and are swiftly deported. This provides no meaningful way for those who are being harmed, or who seek protections, including under the law, to meaningfully report their concerns to authorities or even access supportive services. It should be added that these problems are made possible through a whole variety of laws, including, by the way, under what has been often termed the 'stripper visa' policy aimed largely at women seeking to tour as exotic dancers in Canada", and are no longer able to as they are being denied working visas which were previously being granted....of course, driving the truly problematic situations further underground, and making illegals out of workers trying to make a living. Such a law, while purportedly aimed at helping to eliminate the trafficking of women and girls, and deceitful fronts for prostitution, actually does nothing helpful in terms of any of this...more sensationalism, more patronizing policies that do nothing to accord voice, dignity, labour and human rights to those affected. I also agree with mistert, in that, we will have to see how the current legal challenges pan out to know what the implications are. For example, if the 'prostitution' laws currently under scrutiny are struck down by the highest Court (i.e. the Supreme Court of Canada, which is binding) and, in the process, sex workers consequentially have a foothold to access human and labour rights and Constitutional recognition, then there will be some clout to wield at the policy level in terms of redefining trafficking policy, including definitions of what constitutes trafficking, who would be considered to be a trafficked person, and what options would then be available to those caught up in this net. There is also a continuum in relation to sex work and trafficking that exists that muddies the waters, in that; 1) some people are genuinely forced against their will, or tricked into migrating to a country under false pretenses; 2) some are indentured workers who know they will be doing sex work and are under obligation to repay a specific fee for being able to secure their entry into a given country, often with their passports being held or some other power play to guarantee they will comply ( ...problematic, yes, and ultimately a practice supported by oppressive legislation such as that discussed above). In such cases, the progressive sex work literature and many labour activists attest to the fact that many of these workers (not just women I might add) would still choose this situation over remaining in their countries of origin as they are seeking mobility and increased economic opportunities, and to be reunited with family members/loved ones). Due to personal resourcefulness , the assistance of organizations and sometimes even clients, workers are often able to manage transitioning into a less controlled working situation...And, with a more empowering and redefined trafficking policy scope, this has the potential to improve the odds for folks significantly; 3) some of these people are straight up travelling sex workers, quite informed and largely mobile (however undercover and trickily navigated) who have entered countries to work and make money, and still face the threat of being picked up in these sweeps and being made subject to such laws, regardless of the fact that what they are doing...how they see what they are doing....as sex work...as real work that has meaningful purchase in their lives; and, 4) there are those whose personal circumstances have the potential to cut across more than one, or even all of these categories and realms of experience; who may, in fact, have experienced circumstances of profound coercion, or perhaps, indenturement, but who move into other circumstances, including in making a more empowered choice to participate in some form of sex work. (On the last point) This is not uncommon at all...just like it is not uncommon for sex workers who may have always been in the country, and who may have worked in a more marginalized venue, to then have their circumstances change and engage the opportunity to work in another venue. In the course of my community activism, I've been privy to many stories such as this...And, in the case of grassroots activism by labourers who would outright identify as being trafficked at some point (e.g. see the film "Tales of the night fairies"), there is a strong contingent of those who go on to assert, regardless of potential continued marginalization, that 'yes, "I am now a sex worker" who makes choices every day to continue to participate in the industry'. The understanding that "money talks and bullshit walks" carries great currency in the lives of those who engage in erotic labour and who continue to be patronized and harmed by such oppressive measures and attitudes. Of course, in such hopefulness for some structural policy changes or a favorable court ruling, it's important not to get romantic about the system...the current political party system, the courts or legislature... international governance practices, as they have been powerful forces in securing the oppression and economic disadvantage of so many historically oppressed communities...not to mention gross platforms for politicians to self-ingratiate themselves in the media...while, of course, having no meaningful vested interest or concern for the health and human rights of those they speak for, including sex working citizens....wherever a given worker sits on the continuum. As I heard former Executive Director of Maggie's in Toronto recently state at a sex work conference: 'so long as we have difficulty making a connection between the worker who has parted from their own family to come to this country to take care of the children of some affluent couple; the agricultural worker who has lost their ability to farm back home and is now stuck in a compound picking the potatoes we eat every day; and the lived reality of a sex worker, we will collectively remain the self-fulfilling subjects of our own ignorance' (Keisha Scott, indirect, condensed quote). We cannot afford to do this.

The one major stereotype that I had about this lifestyle was completely wrong...that seeing companions was just about anonymous sexual encounters. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact some ladies don't just know my personal information needed for verification/screening, a couple know even more more Trust issues, the majority of ladies I see I trust, a couple I completely trust without reservation. To put in perspective I work in a law enforcement field (and isn't everyone in law enforcement supposed to be trustworthy and above reproach?). I find the ladies I see FAR MORE trustworthy than the vast majority of people I work with Definitely with the caveat that ALWAYS respect a lady's boundaries, but when I began in this lifestyle, I never thought a SP/Client could be friends. I thought that the relationship despite it's intimate nature stayed professional. What a pleasant surprise that in some cases friendships can develop, friendships as important as those in "civilian" life. And encounters are far more than just about sex. I personally like longer encounters, it has allowed dates to have time for a social, conversation, connection time. And it has made sex more enjoyable, being intimate with a woman you have spent time getting to know and she know you. This lifestyle has me involved in the most honest, healthy, meaningful and upfront relations I have had with women with no strings, no guilt and no drama A quick rambling RG

Death anniversaries- My Dads is soon approaching :( I try to remain positive by remembering all the good times but lets face it there is nothing positive or nice about losing and missing a loved one. Additional Comments: Sorry to hear that, unless there was an emergency..... sadly clients do this too. Some people are just plain rude and thoughtless-me people- they always come first and never will they accept blame for anything. I'm not saying that is this persons case, but you certainly deserve an explanation and most certainly an apology at the very least!

Thanks for posting this Brad. :) Unbelievable. Along with most other things in life, I actually do notice a trend in women's photography going towards the more natural, untouched route. I think people want to look at something that is real. People are talking about it more too. When I post to the various photo threads here on CERB, I, (and some other gents too), do my best to post beautiful photos that represent a wide variety of women, from different nationalities, ages and body types. It's not too hard to find, since there are many websites these days dedicated to a the "real" women look. And "real" doesn't necessarily mean "curvy", because some women are naturally thin, and that is beautiful too. We come in all shapes and sizes. Real just means photos that are untouched, more natural, sometimes imperfect, and represent a healthy, happy woman who is comfortable with her body. The kind of women you might actually see in real life. One of my new favourite sites that I get photos from is http://realgirlsaresexy.tumblr.com. There is over a thousand pages of beautiful everyday women, representing a wide variety of looks.

A thoughtful post JoyfulC and one I've been considering, but I think I'd like to disagree, at least in part. I'm certainly not in a position to suggest I know your business more than you do, but would it not be more fair to say that it is discretion which offers the protection you speak of, not stigma? And while discretion can protect a person from being stigmatized, the stigma does not I think help with discretion. After all, stigma or no, you should indeed be able to walk around unbothered and keep private what is private--but should also be able to do so without fear of judgement. Doing away with the stigma doesn't mean a person has to announce they are a professional companion or gent who sees one. What happens between consenting adults is their own private business (be they a married couple or a hobbyist/service provider). The stigma doesn't provide discretion so much as it just means that the stress and consequences of not being discrete are more serious. I would agree with you that it is important and comforting that at least those of us in this community know the stigmas are wrong. But to answer the question you pose I don't think that this is enough. In part it is because we are directly affected by the views of society at large, whatever we ourselves know to be true. Society working under misguided ideas is what can lead to unfair laws and persecution; how often does society actually increase the risk for the very people it claims it is protecting because of its misguided notions? I also agree it is good to have the self confidence to know for yourself who you are and not be affected by the judgement of others, but it is not so easy for everyone, and either way it takes energy that could be better spent elsewhere. Consider other groups that have often been stigmatized by society or considered perverts for their behaviour. Sometimes these groups can take comfort in knowing the truth, but how often does a person internalize--maybe unconsciously--some guilt or fear? In the long run is it not always healthier for them as well as society at large when it is realized that, at the end of the day if no one is being hurt, we're all just people?

Most won't care, as it's clear from his post what he meant and the main person-Cleo- who he was thanking knows what he means so.. I think it's sweet and very nice of him to post such a truthful and flattering post. We all make spelling boboo's but we all don't thank one another enough;) Congrats to you for popping your hobby cherry and to Cleo for making it so memorable:)

I am not outcall only. I found the number of no shows and or fake bookings I was receiving to cost me a significant enough amount of time and cash that I was no longer interested in maintaining the financial burden of a 4 star hotel several times a week. Having damaged credit from the past leaves me stuck paying with cash. The cash deposit alone to book a 4 star hotel ranges from 100-250. I can't prebook with credit card for discounted room rates, so am left paying 159-209 on average per night. So coughing up nearly 500 a night to host from hotel incall and having multiple no shows or missed appointments is not My alternatives to outcalls are that the gentlemen consider booking the room for the length of encounter. Provided we have spoken and agreed upon it,I sometimes will split the cost of the room and the gentlemen need only to check out of room once I have left. Is the best I can do at this time

Her pics are real, but she's not that young. I can not recommend based on my experience.

If the session took 18 minutes do we round it up or down? lol

I honestly think this is going a bit too far. Having to figure out your rates by five-minute intervals (40 instead of 45, 20 instead of 15), I think all you would get in result is a clock-watching SP - because if someone wants to pay down to the minute, I think you would force your SP to ensure the timeframe isn't exceeded. Things don't need to be timed to the minute. If 30 isn't enough... go with 45. I would hope that doesn't mean anyone is looking at the clock at 37 minutes and thinking 'I'd better get my last 8 minutes worth'. I think a client should choose the amount of time that works best for him. If 30 isn't enough, choose an hour. If, when you go for an hour, you find that 40 minutes was enough, ask your SP if she offers a 45-minute rate.

For some reason I can't help but picture this: But yeah, no judgement on others, to me it sounds more stressful than fun. If I'm going to get to enjoy an encounter, I want to it to be a real experience. Hard to do that when you've given yourself less time than the previews last at a movie.

As an SP, I offer an "experience" not to be a "cum bucket" for someone's release for lack of better words. No thanks. If I'm going to be just a release for somone, they are going to be paying for it. I'm not a machine and a 15 min appt is not worth it to me since it takes the same amount of time to set up and get ready. Then there is the aspect of those trying to get more time for free and then there is the volume where how many clients are coming and going in a day. I am a very discrete person and would never allow this to happen when I can make more on a single appt alone. I'm not an avid clock watcher but when someone texts me with a laundry lists of specific acts they want for $60 for 15 mins or expect what they would get in a 30 or 60 min appt, do yourself a favor a favor and go to a street corner. I take time and pride in what I do and myself and my surroundings reflect that as well. I have no interest in doing these types of appts and contrary to men who are fans of 15 min service, you get what you pay for. In a fantasy world, if I did one of these 15 mins appts, it would be the bare minimum. Why should I go out of my way when someone is attempting to negotiate my rates? Why should I go the extra mile? I had someone text me once and said they only needed 5 mins of my time for $20. DELETE! If you're looking for a 15 min session then more power to you but don't expect the world for $60. Last year a 15 min appt was $100. Then it went to $80 and now guys are demanding $60. The reason this is happening because women let them. They get into this business with no training from an agency. They have a cell phone, put up a BP ad and call themselves an escort. Then some men bully them into giving them service for $60 -$80 and often times let manipulate them into staying overtime for the same rate. Some of these women don't know any better. The real sense of having an experience with an escort is long forgotten such as when I first started as an SP. That whole aspect has been thrown out the window and it's all about how a man can get off in the shortest amount of time with the lowest amount of cash to offer. Thankfully there are men out there who appreciate SPs and the time together.

Well I think 15 minute sessions are great...so great in fact that I always book at least 4 of them back to back! :icon_wink:

It does seem to cheapen the whole thing. For myself, i don't see the point of offering anyone a rate option for this. If someone is in a big rush or finds they don't take more than 14 minutes i don't see why they can't just take the time they want to take, and compensate the sp for the half hour, because that is the time she is providing. That is also what it is costing her to give a lower rate for a 15 minute time session, she is giving up the chance of a half hour or hour appointment for very little return. Let's be realistic, no sp offering 15 minute sessions should expect that client to be in her place more than 16 minutes door to door otherwise, why isn't he paying for a half hour?. And how can anyone reasonably expect the sp to not watch the clock, to ensure he is not taking advantage of this option, in order to stay longer but pay for less. It seems like a very fine line.

I've offered them on two occasions. 1) When I started to be an SP, I was living with roomates and had a really limited windows to offer incall so 15 minutes was better than a 4 hours session 2) When I had two regular that were clock wise, to see me two or three time a week for an in-out BJ during their lunch break. When I was in Ottawa, I used to live really close to gov building office My own personal opinion? I don'T like them. That's when I felt "use" as a whore, prostitute so to say and not as a human being , someone with feelings that may like to also receive a little of attention, be it a caress, kiss, slow lick I don't offer them anymore and will more likely soon remove the 30 minutes appointments.

Once in a while you come to realize that so many of our members really don't "get" the whole hobby experience, or rather, they understand that there are rules but believe they are somehow exempt. So let's help them. Let's give some handy tips to make this a more wonderful experience for all. This is a pleasant place so let's keep it constructive... and be aware that the rules shouldn't just be for clients, you can also add some helpful tips that may help a new provider too! Here goes: 1. Appointment time is at 2:00 pm, what time do I arrive? Ummmmm. Hmmmmm. What part of 2:00 pm is ambiguous? A 2 o'clock appointment means you are at her door at 2. Not 1:55, not 2:10. It's seems petty but when you screw up her schedule, you may be screwing up MY schedule. I may be the appointment at 3. I have things to do... and my schedule may not be as loosey goosey as yours. I may be using a very small window of time or I may have "commitments" that see me arriving like clockwork elsewhere. Regardless, when the little hand is at 2 and the big hand is at 12, be where you are supposed to be. 2. "I am awesomely wicked good in bed, and I often masturbate to pictures of myself nude, because I am that good looking. Can we negotiate a better rate?" In a word, No. Would you go to a restaurant and say, "I am a really good eater, can I get a better price on that steak?" Would you go to a lawyer and say, "I am an awesome criminal, can you represent me for free?" Would you go to the dentist and say, "My teeth are so bad that you should fix them all for $50!" A service provider gets paid at a set rate because she is a professional. She is good... no, not just good... wickedly awesome good, at what she does. Your part is the compensation, her part is the wicked awesome part. Pay the pretty lady and be happy. 3. Cleanliness is next to godliness. Ever step into an elevator and stand next to someone who smells like they have never met a bar of soap they liked? Ever met someone that looked like they were an extra in the Walking Dead? Have you ever gone into a bathroom after someone and wondered if they ate something dead? Step one. Go to the potty. Do your business. Wipe. Wipe again. Wipe again. and then, wipe again. Do the optical test. Last wipe. Is there any residue? If yes, start over. If no, then proceed to step two. Step Two. Shower. Clean EVERYWHERE. Rinse. Repeat. Did you pay attention to anywhere in particular??? Hmmm??? Go back to those places. Make em sparkle. (at this point I do suggest that artificial glitter is NOT necessary.) Get out of the shower. Towel dry (for pete's sake use a clean towel!)... apply a generous amount of deodorant/anti-perspirant. Brush your teeth. (if additional grooming is required, please do that too.) Step three. Clothing. Go to the place where you keep your clean clothes. No. Not the place where you put the stuff that you THINK you can wear again. The CLEAN clothes. You know that stuff that you just took from the dryer and folded nicely?? That's the stuff. Wear that shit. Uh oh... what if I have to do step one again?? Then repeat ALL the steps. Cuz skidmarks are not sexy. Febreeze showers are not acceptable. 4. I have to cancel, what do I do? Give your head a smack. With a hammer. Stop. Now take a pointy thing and stick it with great force into your upper thigh, avoiding the artery. Now, go to your car. Start it. Open the door, put your foot beneath a tire and have someone put that car in reverse. Cancellations? NOT COOL. We all know that shit happens. A death in the family. A sick kid. Decapitation with farm machinery. Thermonuclear war. Explosion of your planet from a death star ray. That shit is acceptable.... but you still owe the pretty lady an explanation AND a cancellation fee. When you cancel, providers don't eat. When providers don't eat they get distended bellies and look like kids from the CARE commercials. When you cancel, providers give not only you, but also your city, a bad reputation. This makes you masturbate more. Because you will never get laid again. Ever. You will over develop muscles in only one arm. Your clothes will fit poorly. People will figure it out and suspect you are the notorious masturbating king of cancellations. They will hunt you down and kill your family. Let's keep little Bobby and Joanie safe. If you make an appointment, keep that appointment. Your family will love you for it. 5. "I'm a little short on cash. Do you think she will notice if the envelope is a bit short?" In a word, yes. She will also point out that your penis is a bit short.... and that your skill level is a bit short... and that you cry like a bitch when you have your pathetic little man-gasm. Do you want that??? Do YOU WANT THAT, bitch??? Wow. That was a bit over-emphatic. Gonna step away from the computer and take a valium. BACK!!!! Where were we... yes. Shorting your provider. Not COOL. Remember, providers have special powers. They communicate telepathically. As soon as you walk out that door, she will know and so will all of her allies in the super friends. They will combine their superpowers and make sure that you never get wood again.... and if you do, it will be at inappropriate times... like at funerals or family gatherings or when talking to your grandfather or something like that. Seriously?? Give your head a shake. If you are short then GET the money and make sure you have it set aside BEFORE you book. You will have a wickedly awesome good time... just pay the pretty lady what you agreed to and enjoy! 6. Can I pay her in drugs? Hmmmm. Does your banker take drugs in lieu of money? Have you offered Rogers drugs in return for their cable/home phone/cell phone/internet bundle? When you get groceries at Loblaws, do they have a special drawer that says "financial equivalent in drugs?" You know the answer. "No, you addled-pated simpleton." Remember the distended belly part from above? Providers take cash because cash buys groceries, pays bills and looks pretty. Carrying cash will not get you arrested. Using cash is the engine that runs our capitalist society. "All you need is cash, cash is all you need." The Beatles sang that, I think. Your turn....

Just wanted to see what hobbyiest and SP's think of 15 minute sessions. There must be a need as I see more SP's offering it. But for me short session is 45 minutes. I like one hr sessions. I've done only 1 30 minute session, but found it too short to have fun and get to know someone. In 15 minutes, I assume the clock starts when the door open. That's not enough time to take your clothes off, take a shower and chat a bit. I mean, it must be a real quicky to be in and out of so fast? I guess for some guy's it's all they need to get off quick. But where's the fun in all this. I like to get to know the woman and spend time kissing and chatting first. What's your opinion and experiences with the 15 minutes session? Just interested in peoples opinions from both sides of the fence. Hope to hear some interesting discussions.

Literary, or tv/film? If they could walk off the pages, or step off the screen...who would you date/want to be friends with? I'm sure I'll think of many, many more, but the ones that come to mind are: I would date Lucas from Empire Records I would KILL to hang out with Sloane and Don from The Newsroom. I'd sit there and stare at them lovingly and gaze at them while they exchanged witty banter and infuriatingly intelligent quips.

After popin my "hobby cherry" today with the amazing....tantalizing.......shit come on who am I kidding there are no words to describe you Cleo. I got to thinking what other gentlemen's thought where on that feellings and thoughts right before....than on that ride home? my rec will be posted soon about today....I do not mean as far as over all experience. I just mean for all the guys who where like I "was" and a "virgin hobbiest". THANK YOU CERB. YOU HAVE SAVED ME!!!!!!!

No matter how hard I try not to, I just have to look!

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Ahhhh, isn't it obvious:) She is young, natural looking and small:) Also she advertises in a way that is going to attract many-she is wearing a sexy school girl outfit, states she is a girl next door-guys love natural- or the impression she is natural and that she is young-19- all these make for the perfect combination-I'm surprised I'd have to point that out, lol. But whatever the reasons you all seem to hot on her trail so why not meet her, give her a chance-everyone deserves a fair chance and when you do suggest her to come and join cerb, that many are interested-happy But you are right in saying that there are many other great gals around as well:) What ever your choice make it the right one for you:) You hit the nail on the head Cristy. And add to that the element of mystery. Well I tried twice. I had a whole cerb pitch prepared for her. A girl can end up taking two very different paths in this business. Who ever sees her should pitch cerb. It would be nice for her to make some friends and have the benefit of some guildence from the cerb community. Especially from the many independent, and intelligent providers that exist it this space.

Happy Birrhday! May you have a most wonderful day and wishing you all the best. ;)

I'm not retired and right now I'm not at all ready to retire from this lifestyle But this year due to personal circumstances I could only have two encounters (great encounters) and it made me realize how important to me are the connections I made with ladies in this lifestyle and how much this lifestyle is a part of my life, and how much I missed the ladies' companionship. Here's hoping for a much better 2014 and that retirement is a long ways off RG

Tried to link up with Jenny today but she couldn"t make it in, but she mentioned that she would be in next week for sure. Unfortunatly, I will be away; so r__d let me know how it goes :)

Bringing this to the top - seems there are a lot of new members sending pms along the lines of "hey baby, what can I get for $60??? This is never wanted, desired or appreciated. Not the best way to make a name for yourself. Its ok to ask for her rates, even ok to say "out of my budget", but never ok to give her a lowball rate and expect her to jump at the opportunity to see you.

Sounds like the type of guy who wears blue polka dot boxers. These kind of guys live life to the fullest and only appreciate the finer things in life. Rarely does retirement stop them from doing what they want. If your retired guy keeps seeing you after he's retired from seeing all others, it's because, for him, you're one of the finer things in life. And he's probably right. :p

I totally understand your question and reflection on the matter kind of funny to me that we question our lack of infidelity during our infidelity. Now that is what I call Ironic!!! Additional Comments: But seriouly do what you want. I have a handfull of girls Inlike and stick to them. I like knowing what service my $ will get me and for that reason if a girl I like is not available I usually don't go, but that's me. Had a few bad experience on connection or mileage so I play where I know!

I did it all.... masturbated, snuggled with dogs, listen to my fav CD, did something good for another person, cried then had a tea:) Now glass of Pinot Girgio:) Thanks everyone, your so awesome!!!

One word: Masturbation Make it an event. Be good to yourself and rub those blues away.

Happy Birthday Tom!!! Today is the first day of the rest of your life and renewed faith in beating all the negative that has been trying to beat you. To a better year and many years of pleasures ahead!! *muah*

Years ago, as a young woman in my 20s, I was standing in the packing area at a drop zone, talking to some people I didn't know. One person noted that I had a pager (we didn't have cell phones way back when), and asked me what I did for a living that I needed to carry a pager. I replied that I was a call girl. Everybody laughed and wanted to know what I really did. So I said I was an obstetrician and I was on-call. They readily bought that. Another time, a jumper's wife made a rare visit to the DZ one weekend, and was talking with us girls. At some point, we found ourselves alone and she had questions about E, another jumper. Her husband had told her that there was a prostitute jumping at the DZ, and she assumed it was E. E did her hair and applied make-up in the morning at the DZ. E wore sexy clothing and even a sexy jumpsuit. She was flirtatious. You should have seen her face when I explained that E worked for one of the hospitals in Toronto, and I was the prostitute. No one hates the damned stigmas more than I do, but I also recognize that they protect us. I don't really look or act like what people expect a prostitute to look like or act like, except when I'm in a session. My customers don't look like what most people expect customers to look like. This allows us to walk free, with invisibility cloaks, unseen and unbothered by those who might bother us if they were able to see us. Perhaps for single customers, it's more important to be able to come out and not be negatively judged for using the services of. Most of the men I've entertained over the years have been married men, men in position of trust in the businesses or communities, and for them, complete secrecy was probably more important than feeling understood by society. We know the stigma is way wrong. And we know that stigmas often are way wrong. Isn't that good enough? Many of us have had people in our lives who knew who we were, and I think we've been able to challenge some notions on a person-by-person basis. But hey! We're up against Hollywood.

Why oh why oh why oh why oh why would you start a thread then if it never ever concerns you ?? I saw the title of the thread and went "Oh my fucking god" ! Here comes the minute meter shit again. Discussion threads are good. Let us have a valid reason however. Just my opinion of course.

To be totally honest-the 15 minute rate was made to accommodate clients who have very little money or who want to spend very little money-all this has done is cheapen the escort industry. The same can be said for 20 minute options.

There is only one way to work this out that I can think of, but do you think the ladies would be offended or just confused if I handed them a stopwatch and clipboard as soon as I arrived?

For me that is enough time to answer the door, let the lady in pour the glass of wine and we start the conversation, either getting to know one another if the companion and I don't know each other, or reconnecting if I'm having a encounter with a companion who is more a friend. I personally prefer longer encounters, now I like four hour encounter. And I have had very memorable encounters where roughly two and a half hours of that four hours were spent in the living room of the hotel suite with the lady just reconnecting and enjoying each other's company. So for me, and speaking for me only, a fifteen minute encounter would be a very empty encounter, serving primarily one purpose. That is not to criticize those that seek such encounters out, it's just not for me A rambling RG

Welcome to Cerb, Damien :) To get this conversation started, maybe you could tell us why, in your experience, "younger ladies are better service providers". What does "younger versus "older" mean to you, personally? As far as your first question, I am not certain I understand what it means. Care to expand on the meaning of "top booker"? Thanks :) Additional Comments: Just another question... What makes an SP a good one/a better one in your books?

Some may think my statement harsh but if you know you are dealing with a 16 yr old you deserve prosecution, thats a child. In my opinion 18 is to young, but thats just me. I know in Canada you are considered an adult at 18 but that is still a teenager, so is 19 . It is alot to expect teens to deal with adults in their 30's,40's, 50's and beyond. Although I realize everyone matures differently I can only think back when I was a teen and I know I wasn't an exception to how immature and unprepared they can be.