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Thanks to everyone for supporting my recent twitter campaign "Followers for Food" which ended yesterday. From Ocotber 4 to November 4 I pledged to donate $10 for every new follower to my twitter feed @cowboykenny. Followers to my twitter feed are alerted first when new posts go up and from time to time I share pearls of wisdom and chuckles through out the day. I'm happy to say that I have 26 new followers which amounts to a 260 dollar donation to the Ottawa Food Bank, the equivalent of 50 spaghetti dinners and 30 after school snacks or 8 cases of eggs. In fact because of the buying power the food bank has along with the support of corporate sponsors each dollar dollar donated has the equivalent of 5 dollars, so the $260 donation actually amounts to $ 1300 of nutritious food for Ottawa families , singles and seniors in need. This campaign could not have been any more timelier given this story that came out today but was lost amongst all the hub bub of political scandal; More than 800,000 Canadians still relying on food banks, study shows http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/More+than+Canadians+still+relying+food+banks+study+shows/9124788/story.html Thanks again for helping me help others.

I voted that I will do this for as long as I enjoy it. I really do have a lot of fun, meet some cool people, see some wonderful sights. But it's more than that for me too. I am not a good girlfriend, significant other, whatever. I have a serious issue with compromise, sharing, etc and that's why I live alone. But we all need companionship, we all need to feel needed, and we all need to feel worthwhile. That's why I enjoy it so much. It supplies me with all the companionship I need, I am completely fulfilled knowing I've made someone's day, week, or month a little happier, and I satisfy my need to be needed. You guys are much more than clients to me. You...each and every one of you I've had the pleasure to meet.... are my significant others, even just for a few hours. Love you all xo

A moment there, filmgeek. I think it's pretty clear the OP was just using that as the thread title for the innocent pun. The poll choices being offered make no assertion whatsoever about what anyone's reasons are for being here. If the intent was to find out what a person's reason or goal was, two options probably wouldn't be enough, but if you read again you'll see that's not the purpose here. Besides, if you've read Realnicehat's posts elsewhere you'll know that he in fact agrees with you that the experience can be about more than just the sex (not that someone who does have that as their goal need be judged either, as long as they are respectful).

I had the extreme pleasure of meeting Taylor the other day. When she entered the room she was even more beautiful than her pictures. Her ads and profile have piqued my curiosity for a while now and I'm happy to say that our schedules lined up. Taylor is very easy to talk to and puts you at ease immediately as though you have known her for a long time. She is a very intelligent and enchanting person to have a conversation with. The massage itself was a wonderful experience with a great atmosphere. Taylor was very perceptive and accommodating during our time together and I was impressed by how focused and attentive she was during the session and how natural and genuine she was. I certainly felt great after our time together and was surprised how quickly an hour can pass. I can definitely say that I had a wonderful time that evening and look forward to seeing Taylor again.

This is my career. I didn't start out thinking it would be but it is the path that I have stayed on. I have had times where I left and explored what the rest of the world lives like and I have always chosen to return because I just don't fit in the square world and I'm good with that. It started out as a means to an end when I was 18 but when I returned years later, again as a means; the end was a very long way off so I put on my big girl panties and made a commitment to honour my responsibilities and I'm not yet there and still here. I now realize that even if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would still entertain. It justifies in my mind what I spend on lingerie, shoes, nails and scotch! Joking aside, like Jessica I am not a good monogamous SO and I recognize that. My work allows me to stay balanced and whole while taking care of those that I love... cat

I looked at the poll as well and agree that no apology is needed. It's a delicate and fine line when people may take things out of context or read it another way. I know looking at your history that your posts are written with the most respect and integrity. There are those that don't post for these reasons and it's better to keep going as you're a valuable contributor to this board. I've been both the lurker and poster through my time and have felt ok with both. There's been times I have said something and then I think about it too much wondering if someone may have read my words the wrong way? We can't please everyone. Jabba and Vitto said it perfectly as I ramble on.... :)

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As a provider, I need a way to vote for both options! I love this work and will probably always do it for as long as people will continue to pay me, but I also have goals that this work facilitates (eg getting a PhD).

Growing up my family always had Christmas dinner at breakfast time. We opened presents, then my aunts, uncles and cousins would come over for Christmas breakfast. There would be all kinds of food. what I remember most is the steak and eggs, croissants filled with ham and eggs, French toast, homemade hash browns and fresh homemade bread. Last year I had alot of family coming to my house for Christmas dinner so I decided to make it all BBQ food. We had ribs, steak, chicken, potatoes and I even did the veggies on the bbq. I also used the smoker to make all kinds of smoked cheeses and smoked meats for the kids to have. It was such a hit that I've been asked to do it again this year :)

There will be a stigma until the stigmatized have the courage to change it......and that will not happen any time soon. Peace MG

Cool poll! I think there's an option that slips through the cracks though, and has one foot in each of your two options: the guy who would like to retire in principle, but whose circumstances make it unlikely he ever will. Best example is a married guy in an unhappy and sexless marriage who feels he will never leave (for whatever reason) and so will continue finding some joy and comfort with paid companions forever... but would in principle prefer to be working toward another goal and finding what he seeks in conventional relationships and then stick with that. Which option does he choose? He won't be retiring, so a); but he'd like to in principle, so b). So I guess "I love it and see no reason to retire" is overloaded with concepts. Not retiring may not have to do with unreservedly loving the "hobby", nor an inability to conceive of a reason to do so. Lest you think this is autobiographical, I'm not married by the way. Just thinking out loud. :)

Nathalie, I am surprised to learn of john sweeps in Canada not involving outdoor or public venues (such as massage parlours and strip clubs). I guess I'd better google that. I agree that it would be disastrous if the Swedish model were embraced by Canada, but I think the only thing that will defeat that, in any country, is the court. I have lost faith in the belief of destigmatization. As we see with the issue of race south of the border, no matter how hard you try to combat certain prejudices, you only succeed in driving them underground. Familiarity is the only thing that successfully defeats stigma, and if more customers were willing to be open with their families, friends and colleagues about being customers, then that might actually succeed in changing the most minds. Few customers are in a position to do that, though. Not because they fear the stigma, but because it would create serious complications. It's very hard to destigmatize a group that hides its face. For sure, when people ask me, I tell them that the only men I see are decent guys who I'm proud to know. But it's not like I can say, "For example, you know so-and-so? Well, he's my client." We can make the claim, but we can provide no evidence to back it up.

JoyfulC, I understand where you're coming from, but I think the stigmatization of clients has another effect that we aren't taking into consideration here. When clients are stigmatized, and we don't fight that stigma, it can (and does) lead to their criminalization. There are lots of 'John sweeps' happening in Canada and they don't always happen in the context of outdoor/visible sex work. In Canada we seem to be moving towards a model of regulation that would criminalize the clients of sex workers, but not the sex workers themselves (known as the 'Swedish' model, because this is the system that exists in a lot of Nordik countries). It's easy to criminalize clients if society thinks they're 'gross' (etc). That's another reason why I think it's important to destigmatize clients...

I know some women like to be spanked. But do most woman really like to be spanked. and if so, is it a light playful spank, a medium spank. Or spanking that will leave hand prints on the but. Just curious, I wouldn't like to hurt a woman, unless it really turns them on? But I could never really do more then a playful spank. Just like to get your opinion?

All I can say is that I am pissed with myself for not booking with Mandy66 earlier! Just amazing!

Anyone had the experience?

You sure not staying far behind lol. Congratulations on reaching this milestone. Your posts are always interesting and well thought of. I am certainly looking forward to reading many more so keep them coming! xoxo

Whoooohooo. Way to go beautiful lady. You define the word "passion" and looking forward to more!

I understand the need to vent.. but honestly..., liek marriedbutnotdeath said... Things happens... It happens to the best of us... I am sure that it was something out of their control... and this situations should be deal within the 2 parties involved to find a solution... Sometimes is even hard for management to control absolutely everything that goes on... I have to tell you something from experience I have been involved in masaging in different business, and NOTHING.., Nothing compares to managing this kind of stablishmenst... also about only seeing independent MAs and SPs Only... you cant punish other great ladies for the mistake of one person... This kind of situation can be presented with and agency, a spa or an independent... there is no such a rule or something that can prevent this things to happen in any case...

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I have to agree that there was nothing wrong with your post, In my opinion it was rather interesting ... I gave my opinion based in my own perspective.. we are all entited to that .., and that what a discusion board is about... we may all not like a thread because it touches a subject that may be more sensitive for each one of us... In those cases I just reserve my opinion and let it go... In My opinion you do not need to apologize

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You know this happen each day...llama

I'm so very sorry this happened to you and I wish it was easier and less complicated to report these individuals to the police as it's those types that make a lot of men shy away from using the services of other reputable service providers. This was outright theft and they should be ashamed, but they will get what's coming to them-Karma does come back around!!

Welcome to cerb. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214 GFE and PSE are "STYLES of SERVICE" and not actual services!! You CAN NOT assume PSE or GFE include any specific services. STYLES.... Mechanical Style: This means no chemistry and just what it is (Sex) no illusion of lust or passion. GFE: Girl friend experience (Does not include specific services) this is a style of date where chemistry is tried to be created, feelings of lust and passion. Usually includes kissing and a more intimate fantasy. The lady appears (and often is) genuinely interested in pleasing you and often enjoys being pleasured as well. PSE: Porn star experience (Does not include specific services) this is also a style of date. It is not a romantic/passion/chemistry type encounter it is like what you see in the porn movies (A little dirty and hardcore) SAFE PSE/GFE: means condoms are used for oral sex (and possibly DATY protection is used) - Some girlfriends and porn stars insist on condoms for everything too guys! CONDOMS are used IN ALL STYLES (Some people assume condoms are not used with these styles as often real girl friends and porn stars do not use condoms). DO NOT ASSUME THIS AS YOU WOULD BE VERY WRONG - IT IS UNSAFE TO HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX! You guys who assume services are included in these styles are setting yourself up to be let down. Just because one lady offers specific services (and possibly markets it as GFE/PSE does not mean the next lady will offer the same services. They are usually similar as a really good GFE would include kissing, bbbj and some touching and rubbing to build chemistry and fantasy. If you feel she is actually attracted to you and into the encounter she may be (or she may be VERY good at her job - just go with it!) Don't EXPECT any services - always ask or research first and if you show up with bad breath, rotten teeth, bad hygiene or dressed like a bum chances are you are going to be even more disappointed. In Addition: One of the ladies PM'd me to mention that one of the reasons ladies may not kiss is from being unshaven. A lot of stubble can do a girl some major damage. I would assume this to be true with DATY as well with some. Your second question - no it is not considered rude to ask about specific services. Just remember however, do your research first. If she has a profile or website spelling out her services, and you then go ahead and ask her if she provides a specific service that she has already stated she does not provide, then it would be considered rude imo. If she clearly states "no anal", and you then ask her "hey can I fuck you up the ass", you will probably be met with silence. So, do your research first. Good luck!

Further to what Vitto answered, there is a thread on what GFE-PSE means (but she has summed it up well) : http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214 Can't add much more than what Vitto posted, at the moment. And welcome to CERB, by the way!

As with most things that people don't understand I think there is a tendency to stereotype... while things are changing slowly society has looked down on sex workers and the services they provide so I guess it is understandable that many would continue to think there is something wrong with clients. I think like most things there is as many reasons why men seek out the companionship of a service provider as there are men. For my part I am just a regular guy ... involved in my community... great job... wonderful family... my initial involvement I think came from purely the excitement of sex with someone new after 20 plus years if marriage but what I came to appreciate especially in the last year is the wonderful caring relationship that can develop with your service provider... it is not constrained by all the real life realities that inhabit us in our civilian lives... it can give you a level if intimacy that is amazing because both people are truly living in the moment they are sharing. Early in this thread someone mentioned the lying in bed holding a beautiful woman's hand and I think they were right it is about those moments and the nonjudgmental conversations as much as it is about the great sex. I think people need to understand that the clients in this industry are just regular people who come with their own reasons and needs... some want the great or different sex...some want the companionship... some want or need a distraction from things in their everyday life. Some are at a point in their life where they need a friend. Hey but what do i really know...lol...i am only one client who strongly feels that my involvement in this industry has been very positive for me. So i guess what I would tell you to tell them about clients is we are a bunch of really happy regular people... so if your dad or brother or husband seems really happy the 3rd Monday of each month....it might be them.

I would actually consider race issues an example of where great progress has been made. It is true there are still many problems, especially on a systemic level, but when you look at how much has changed in a mere generation or two there is reason to be hopeful rather than despairing. I'd agree with you it is harder to spot and root out racism when it isn't overt or public, but being forced underground as you put it is part of the process. While I have my doubts that racism, sexism, or many of the others "ism's" will ever be fully eliminated, it's nevertheless amazing the degree to which things have improved. It is certainly not hard to still find examples of homophobia, for example, but look at the progress made by in finding acceptance and equal rights despite sexual orientation in our society just in the last generation. And there are other examples of stigmas which have been all but eliminated. Being Irish in America used to make someone a second class citizen. Just two generations ago people of Gaelic heritage were forbidden to speak that language in school to the point that the language was almost lost. When my father was a child he could be hit in school for writing with his left hand! It is true that, for clients and companions, the stigma is of a different nature and there may never be full understanding or acceptance, and perhaps it only looks like progress is impossible because it is slow, yet over time who knows what will happen? And there are signs of improvement. Never has there been a time when there were so many service providers publicly advocating for themselves, attempting to educate people. Technology like the Internet has also helped. Just speaking for myself, being able to read websites and blogs of escorts, and forums like Cerb have done wonders to educate me on our community. Surely I'm not alone in that? I would even take it as a good sign that, for what I imagine is the first time, you can find examples in popular entertainment depicting escorting as a normal and positive aspect of a society (Kushiel's Dart novels; Firefly tv series). The process may be slow, it may ebb back and forth at times, it may never be complete...but in the long run? There's always hope.

One of these things does wonders, they're extremely gentle, especially for the crevices and folds down there!

Really, that question is equally applicable to companions (SPs/MA) and Clients if you think about it. Etiquette as noted by Nathalie is to not acknowledge a lady or gentleman if you run into her/him outside of an encounter. Just walk by each other and pretend you don't know one another. Ladies shouldn't worry about clients outing them. And guys shouldn't worry about ladies outing them either We all respect (or should respect) that we all have lives outside this lifestyle and it should be respected RG

No review per se, but Jessicamassage has been on my list of MP to check out when opportunity arises. Reviews are good and she was right downtown last I had checked.

I did it all.... masturbated, snuggled with dogs, listen to my fav CD, did something good for another person, cried then had a tea:) Now glass of Pinot Girgio:) Thanks everyone, your so awesome!!!

Elaine is a legit, indy. Petite, slender, well maintained. Her location is OK for convenience and discrete enough. She has a massage table set up in what looks like a breakfast nook. Her style is soothing, smooth and sensual. The emphasis is on relaxation and not on karate chops or spinal alignment. She has a soft, light touch and her two hands never stop moving and tracing over your skin. Additional Comments: Oops, I should clarify that I meant "legit" in the sense of not being a scam, and honestly getting what you paid for. Not in the sense of therapeutic or insurance receipt

A thoughtful post JoyfulC and one I've been considering, but I think I'd like to disagree, at least in part. I'm certainly not in a position to suggest I know your business more than you do, but would it not be more fair to say that it is discretion which offers the protection you speak of, not stigma? And while discretion can protect a person from being stigmatized, the stigma does not I think help with discretion. After all, stigma or no, you should indeed be able to walk around unbothered and keep private what is private--but should also be able to do so without fear of judgement. Doing away with the stigma doesn't mean a person has to announce they are a professional companion or gent who sees one. What happens between consenting adults is their own private business (be they a married couple or a hobbyist/service provider). The stigma doesn't provide discretion so much as it just means that the stress and consequences of not being discrete are more serious. I would agree with you that it is important and comforting that at least those of us in this community know the stigmas are wrong. But to answer the question you pose I don't think that this is enough. In part it is because we are directly affected by the views of society at large, whatever we ourselves know to be true. Society working under misguided ideas is what can lead to unfair laws and persecution; how often does society actually increase the risk for the very people it claims it is protecting because of its misguided notions? I also agree it is good to have the self confidence to know for yourself who you are and not be affected by the judgement of others, but it is not so easy for everyone, and either way it takes energy that could be better spent elsewhere. Consider other groups that have often been stigmatized by society or considered perverts for their behaviour. Sometimes these groups can take comfort in knowing the truth, but how often does a person internalize--maybe unconsciously--some guilt or fear? In the long run is it not always healthier for them as well as society at large when it is realized that, at the end of the day if no one is being hurt, we're all just people?

OOI, is this girls? Guys? Both? Just curious. I think something that most folks don't appreciate - or perhaps just don't want to think about - is how common the exchange of a sexual service for some other consideration actually is. How many guys have bought drinks or dinner for someone in the hope (or possibly even expectation) that she'd give us something in exchange later on? Pretty much everyone, right? Maybe we got lucky and considered it a worthwhile investment; maybe we didn't and felt rather bitter about the money we wasted on doing shots with that goddamn prick-tease. Ultimately, it doesn't matter: it's the same as the difference between seeing a good SP and getting caught by B&S. Or, if you want to protest that no money actually changed hands... most of us guys have been to a strip club on occasion, as part of a bachelor party if nothing else. Most of us have had at least one lapdance, which was presumably paid for by someone. I'll concede that not everyone necessarily enjoys lapdances (I have a couple of friends who, I'm genuinely sure, don't find them much fun at all)... but nevertheless: it's a sexual experience, it's paid for with cash, and most guys have been there and done that. But that's not the same as seeing an escort? Well, maybe not, but that's a difference of degree, not of kind. After all, when you started learning to drive you didn't go on the highway on day one, did you? No, thought not. I'll concede that more of us get to driving on the highway than get to seeing escorts... but the difference in numbers is probably less than many imagine, and very hard to measure in any case. So, if we're going to destigmatize clients, I think the most important thing is to realize that these clients are... pretty much everyone, really, whether they think of themselves that way or not. I don't mean "just normal guys"; I'm going further than that, and saying "almost everyone". If there's one thing I'd like to get across to the world at large it'd be the level of self-awareness required to see what you and all your friends and family are probably doing (or at least, have done in the past) and how that fits onto the same sliding scale, rather than being anything very different.

It's a good point -- but I think that in every case the high-profile figure is cheapened and tarnished by the association. He drops a couple of rungs down the ladder. It's just that his other obvious assets of money or power are strong enough to keep him pretty high despite this. In essence, "he's rich but suffers from a sad compulsion." More generally, and not really directed at your specific post: So why are men stigmatized in the first place when found out to be sex work clients? It's because of that central role sex has in the historical, conservative underpinnings of our culture: it's one of the primary currencies for measuring people's level of success. - Men who are accomplished are "supposed to" have easy access to sex being offered from adoring women who respond to his success and power. If he doesn't have that, then he must not be successful. And if he's paying for it, he must not have any other access to it -- there's something wrong with him. - Women are expected to hold their sex in reserve as precious currency to secure marriage. If she's spending it too freely, she's cheapened; and worse, if she's selling it, she must be desperate, like pawning irreplaceable heirlooms. These ideas look silly spelled out like that, but they really do hold powerful, often unspoken yet deeply held authority in our sexually conflicted culture. Plus, what exposure do most people have to the industry? Only the media's portrayal, which condemns it with one hand (sex! exploitation! desperation!) at the same time it uses the sexual allure to draws viewers with its titillating side ("Look at those fishnet stockings! Tsk tsk. ...mmmm..."). It's hard to blame people who have nothing else to go on. I think the thing I'd say to try to address the stigma is EXACTLY what Nathalie did so wisely in her first post: "these are the very same guys you know in your own life, and there's nothing wrong with them. It's not the clients (or SPs) that are faulty; it's your own ideas about sex and sex work."

I have seen her..stunning beauty...

Don't know the answer, but here is a link to a previous posting about her. Maybe they can help you. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124494&highlight=sarah

She is very friendly, bubbly and up beat. Pictures are accurate and she also offers a very extensive menu of options. Was a lot of fun....

I met with Julez over the summer and she is as advertised. Very cute, sweet, friendly, sexy and skilled.