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In my thinking, these discussions are what makes CERB a great resource. The discussion has varied a bit from the OP question, and I'm glad it has developed along the way. All parties (MA, SP, Clients) have given their perspectives. Albeit it may be a small portion of the industry and client population. In my experience, questioning a cost vs. value of a 'service', experience, etc. will result in 100 different answers from 100 different people. As with 'beauty', it's value is totally subjective in the eyes of the beholder. Are tips/donations/requests/whatever reasonable? You have all the information to make that decision for yourself. The answer is the same as; What is it worth to you? Personally, a 30 min hot tub session, talking with a kind, caring and interesting woman is a steal where I've experienced it. I've tried other places which asked/offered more and less, I'm happy with who, how and where I spent time to relax. If I feel the cost does not justify the experience, then I will exercise my right to not repeat. And I read recommendations, posts and message providers,etc to make an informed and safe decision on where to spend my time. MA vs. SP? All are uniquely amazing people if you take the time to get to know them. And YMMV is a principle that always applies to everyone. The MA,SP,Hobbyist designation does not give anyone the 'right' or a reason to demand a service or experience from another person! (whether they call themselves MA, SP, Indy, Hobbyist, etc) they are a person, NOT A PRODUCT! my 5 cents, since pennies are out of circulation now. ElanRacer

I have been following this thread from the start and really it almost seems like and out right war. The main difference between SP Services and MA services are that EXTRAS ARE NOT ON THE MENU WITH AN MA. You are paying over all for time spent with a LADY, she will tease and tempt you in the way decided by the nature of her business Title. Myself, I chose to be an MA because I am more sensual and don't like to think that I need to force an appointment with a predetermined check list of activities that NEED to happen for my client to be happy and feel like they had the best experience. I prefer a natural organic sensual time spent with a gentleman that treats me like a lady and respects the rules of an MA working in a Massage Parlour. As it has been stated many times that Ladies working Indy have more freedom to blur the lines between what an MA can offer, but that is not everyone's cup of tea. IMHO if you want an organic sensual experience than an MA may be the option, and if your looking for a Check List of specific services then an SP is more on the mark for what your looking for. Cost may be a bit different from SP to MA but ultimately your paying for time spent with a Lady and how she makes you feel.... should that price tag change based on services???? That is a question that only you can decide for yourself. And to Clarify GFE MA is a Feeling NOT A LIST OF SERVICES!!!!! It is a connection that you feel like you know the girl and that she genuinely takes your feeling and desires and acts on them. I am PROUD to call myself a GFE MA, but not at the expense of Gentlemen seeking my services thinking that they will get more mileage because I state I offer a GFE experience. My take at least Kisses All XoX

I love to see these ladies coming to visit our city! But overlapping schedules in our small market must make it difficult to have a profatable trip. Take next weekend . There are three elite ladies going to be here all at the same time. I would love to visit with all of them. seams to be feast or famin. Any way I hope they all have a good trip.

I highly doubt everyone on here has one, or why would we all be on here, lol! I don't have one. I *have* had fuck buddies in the past, and the thing to keep it mind is a fuck buddy rides a very thin line into 'relationship'. They tend to start as easy sex, but then you start to sleep over... go for breakfast... text off and on... all of those things that make seeing escorts clean and simple, rather than dating. Many 'fuck buddy' relationships I've had have ended just as messy as relationships, because one, or both, of the people develop feelings toward one another.

I am surprised at some of this answers... i am an MA and I became and MA exactly because I do not have to Offer BJ or FS to the gentlenen... As Robin Pointed it earlier .. Independent ladies have their own place where they can offer what ever they want... But ladies working out of a spa... this would make the spa a brothel which are clearly illegal even with the new laws... O often get contacted by gentlemen that are seeking extra services.. the answer is: " No I am not an escort. I offer Massage Services, if you are looking doe that type of service make sure you look at the right section" Ladies working out of a massage parlour and offering this services as standard are destroying real MAs reputation and business.. and also SPs business because they are not even charging enough making it cheaper. .. what a shame! Not only they are endangering themselves. , but the spa they work at., co-workers and the gentlemen that visit not just them but the other ladies. Going back to the OPs Original question....MAs and S Ps we are different. There is no one better than the other one! We both offer different experiences both great! And the only real way for him to find out ia not by reading it., is by actually trying it! Only then he can decide what his preference is!

it is interesting because out west, one goes to a massage parlour for the massage plus everything from hj, bj to FS. In fact I think some places get cranky if there is only going to be a hj (less tip for the attendant). So at the same time, it is unlikely anyone doing massage plus hj, if that is all that they provide, does this with anything GFE. Topless and minimal touching would be the norm in an MA experience here. And that is the point, that the clients seeking massage only services are not looking for more, they don't want GFE, they don't want kissing for sure, they don't want a bj. Sometimes it is because that is their moral line in the sand if they have an SO, sometimes it is a fluid exchange fear, and sometimes it is health issues that led to an inability to do FS anyway, and sometimes it is a cost issue, because a basic massage and hj session (as i mention) is going to be less than a FS session. I provide both types of sessions, and a few sps out here do that as well. They do massage start, like the massage parlours, and endings are as requested. I have a $20 difference between a half hour massage rate and a half hour FS rate, so it isn't about the money, and it isn't that they choose the less expensive one but would like the FS option, it is because they don't want FS. Simple as that. About 10% maybe less of my massage only clients will switch it up from time to time and choose FS or a bj finish. Sometimes, but it is that rare. Some start with massage sessions when they first come to see me, then switch after a few visits. Something FS clients find hard to believe is the fact that massage only clients exist, that anyone would choose to not have FS when FS is an option. The only way to prove to them that clients do choose that is by talking to providers who do offer both. (someone mentioned the bias that may appear when SP or MA's reply to this topic lol, but I am here to say I provide both, distinct and different pricing and different ending options, and a large percentage of my clients, even with only a 20 dollar difference, still choose massage only with hj finish). And still there are a lot of providers whose idea of different options for clients to drum up more business is to provide the same thing (FS or bjs) at a lower price for less time, instead of providing a different and unique thing (massage and hj for a longer time at the same rates). Oh, well, more for me. :) Nothing more fun that slippery massage and a happy slippery ending.

I want to thank everyone by their honest opinion on this topic. Curiousm7's last comments remind me of my situation. I was always an SP guy and was curious about the MA side. I feel that my needs are more on the sensual side and will be definitely contacting some of the fine ladies in this fair city for MA services. Thanks all

There IS an existing market for both MA's and SP's ! :) I gleefully respect both and those who optimistically seek them. Cheers to diversity! And cheers to keeping it rosey!

As someone who is still on the fence about who to see, or even if I want to see anyone, I can give you a little insight into my own issues (for lack of a better word) and why I might post a thread like that. I haven't, and probably won't as I've decided the only real way to make a decision is to contact the lady I choose directly and work things out. (or not, depending) A lot of you have touched on many of the reasons I would post one of those threads already, but I'll list them here. Maybe it will help let you know why some people need to ask questions. Nervousness - Being both new, as well as having low self esteem, I might ask who to see because I would want to make sure that whoever I see will make me feel comfortable and not feel judged. I might be hoping to find someone who was in the same boat who could give advice as to which SP they found would make me feel most comfortable. Having a good experience - As was pointed out by someone, I would want my first experience to be an enjoyable one, so I might be asking just to reassure myself that the lady(ies) I have picked out will be a good fit. Sometimes you can't get that from reviews. (especially if the review is written like a play-by-play of sexual positions with little else added in) Too many choices (this one wouldn't be for me yet, due to geographical location) - I can see how someone might be overwhelmed with choices. Every woman here on CERB is beautiful, but maybe someone might be looking to narrow things down a bit, maybe looking for a bit more insight into the lady's character in order to make a short list based on what they are looking for. (If I could do it, I would spend time with every lady on here :) ) Bait and switch / horror stories - Until I started finding sites like CERB I never really thought about this possibility, but now that I am aware of it I am a little more leery of things. Some guys might be looking for reassurance that the lady they have picked is going to be who they think they are. Not enough time to do the research - Not really an excuse, but if someone is traveling they might try to do some research on their own, but in the end might decide it is easier just to ask others. I can't see this being an issue for me personally, as all my traveling is planned well in advance, but you never know, it might happen some time that I will have to take an unexpected trip and decide I would like to see a lady while there. These are some of my main concerns, and why I might ask advice on who to see. However having said that I am of the opinion that the best way to narrow things down is to look at the lady's posts if possible, website as well, and if things look good from that aspect, contact the lady herself. I think those are really the only way to make an informed decision. (and even that isn't infallible)

I just wanted to ad my 2 cent here...I don't really like the way this thread has turned...as you can find sensuality in both MA and SP experience...nuff said!For the OP...like a lot have said...do your research and take the plunge!BJ xxx

I find it terribly rude-when guys pm you and ask for your availability as they are interested in setting something up-you reply back , provide them with the info they are looking for and then...................Nothing! I completely understand we all have busy lives, and cannot always provide lengthy pms....but a simple not today, that does not work-that right there took me less than 2 seconds to type. Anyhoo-thats all :)

As curious7 mentioned, put it in your ads that you offer longer term and travel dates. You might also mention in your website (if you don't already) that you offer longer dates and are a travel companion. I still believe CERB is the site to be And for longer dates and travel dates, and this just my opinion, but this won't be a first date. Two people spending time alone together, well it would work best if they both have had encounters together already and know one another. Two people, who are strangers, traveling together, well what if there is no chemistry...it could make for a very long trip Good Luck RG

I must agree and thank you for taking the time to speak up. This question is not off to the best start. There is no "versus" between an SP or MA. They are both completely different experiences. There's being tactful and asking questions, but I get the impression as well the question was asked for members to explain why they do visit MA's, and for MA's to justify our services and rates? I think that's up to the OP to do his research, read the recommendations, and not challenge the activity and great feedback in the massage area. If I am approached in this manner by an inquiry, I will most likely not be booking with them.

We all have our moments and we can blame them on a myriad of reasons, carelessness, in a hurry, stress, simply not paying attention, etc. What have you done lately that you'd call stupid:) my latest was pulling the mirror off my car backing out of a car wash, lol.

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Uncertainty...comes in many forms....I sometimes have trouble making decisions if there are too many wonderful choices in front of me....but eventually everyone has to take control of his life and make the best decision you can...based on what information you have in front of you....follow your instincts, listen to what your mind/body is telling you....and then be prepared to accept the results , even if they are not what you expected. Indecision of choosing your first rendezvous partner could be a sign of cold feet, are you really ready to take the plunge? Sometimes people don't want to be responsible for their own decisions, or are worried about finding perfection right out of the gate.....some times you just need to get off the edge and take the plunge....confidence isn't about making the right decision all the time....its about accepting failure and recovering from it without being devastated. "take my advice, pull down your pants and slide on the ice":icon_biggrin:

The low light of the day was that my TV fan started cutting out forcing the TV to shut itself off. I've been replacing fans in computers for years (1987 I installed 2 fan in my Coleco-vision ADAM to solve an over heating problems) and the TV is years out of warranty. So I thought I'd open it up and take a look. Easy peasy, a 4.75 inch by 1 inch fan... red, black, with 3rd wire for sensor - pretty much the same as the one I installed in my computer a couple months ago. No problem. I found a computer parts paradise just around the corner from where I live (a whole isle of computer fans). Got a fan, installed it. I had to graft in a different plug because the fans plug was different from the previous fan. Connected it all etc.. Everything worked. reassembled the TV and remounted it on wall... BUT It started cutting out again. I had visions of the staff at some repair store laughing at me for trying to fix it myself. So I took it back down, took apart and decided to solder the wires where I graphed on the new fan to the old plug for a more secure setting (instead of screwed on caps connectors). Still didn't work. pushed the fan's plug a little tighter, it clicked, and presto, the TV worked... and is still working an hour later. Cost of replacement fan $10. The thought of having to take it to a repair shop, embarrassing. Getting it working myself, priceless.

Congrats on 500 older guy ! Great posting :)

I agree that you aren't likely going to get consensus.... Check out these ladies reviews/pics and the pick one that seems to be the best fit! Have fun and enjoy.

I disagree that seeing an SP is a good option for a younger guy. I don't really prefer the younger guys. If I did, I could make a fortune, because it seems, in recent years, they're starting younger and younger. I think this is because we're becoming more of a consumer society. Young people think first to buy what they want, rather than to live the life. In a way, that's really sad. For many years, I wouldn't see younger men because I didn't want to "become the crutch that cripples." In other words, I always felt that, by relying on the service of SPs, young men were able to take an edge off that otherwise might have compelled them to develop the skills and qualities they'd need to form more profound relationships with women. But I think all that's out the window these days. We've become a zombie culture, stiffly trudging from one immediate urge to another with our credit cards in hand. It will probably get worse before it gets better. My preference is for a man who's walked a fair track of life, who brings a heart that has loved well, and who knows himself well enough to admit how much he has yet to learn.

I have to disagree on the statement that GFE is in a gray area, as it has nothing to do with services offered but rather an experience.., about feelings that arise from an encouther being MA or SP...

I live for the after-glow. In truth, I'm often incapable of movement of any kind for long periods following climax. I cover my temporary paralysis by lots of cuddling and pillow talk.

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Happy Birthday Tsukiyo, I hope you enjoyed your day!

First point is bang on, so that's the biggest difference in 'MA vs SP' - what service are you looking for? :) Second point doesn't include the in-room tip though... most spas will charge 50-80 door fee for a one-hour massage, but that doesn't include your hostess tip which could be anywhere from 80-140 (or more or less, I'm just giving a general idea but can't speak for the lovely spa attendants myself :) )

Belated happy birthday Tsukiyo. I hope your day was a wonderful one.

Birthdays are natures way of telling you to eat more cake. I hope you had a gooder.

Happy Birthday sweetheart!!!!

Happy Birthday Lexy. Have yourself a fantastic day!!! :D

Happy Birthday Gorgeous! :)

To my gorgeous friend from the east coast, wishing you a fun filled day, all the love,warmth and happiness when you are surrounded by your loved ones on your day. Sending you my greetings and the all very best. Happy Birthday Lexy

Happy birthday to a very sexy Lexy Grace - I love hearing your posts and hope you have an absolutely wonderful birthday! xoxo

Happy Birthday! Hope it's great!

Happy Birthday Lexy Enjoy your special day RG

Best wishes! Have a wonderful day Lexy!!

Best wishes...enjoy your day!! xo E.

Doctor says another month before my ribs are fully healed from my nasty fall. At least the bruising is clear. Now, back to work I go. Gently....

It's really crucial for me to believe that my partner is enjoying herself (a lot!), though I understand that orgasms themselves can just sometimes be elusive so that's not my exclusive yardstick for the encounter. I like my own excitement and orgasms (no kidding!), but the truth is I can experience those just about anytime all by myself. One of the unique appeals about an encounter with an SP is spending time with a wonderful, sexy woman and sensing HER excitement. That makes the encounter "us" and not just "me", which is kinda the point.

Eating pussy, is like eating watermelon...unless your getting your ears wet, you're doing it wrong. "Nuf said!!

Has a MA ever done something during a massage that surprised you? What was it? Did you like it?