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I think that's a good question, but not of much practical use. If we're going to make sure we end up where we want to be, then the whole conversation is an exercise in futility and an utter waste of time. If you have a predetermined outcome, regardless of the evidence, then how can you possibly learn or discover anything? I think most people know this, on a gut level, and so they'll claim that they're following the first option. But as you say... Yup. Sure, it's possible. But this is where Occam's Razor comes in: given that we don't know, and have no evidence either way; it is not merely unnecessary to make stuff up; it's positively obstructive to future progress, especially when new evidence arises that contradicts the things that were previously invented without evidence but are now believed by some to be true, and people are unwilling to let go of their previous belief in the face of even compelling evidence against it. What's much better - but people seem unwilling to do - is to simply say, "I don't know." We don't have to have an explanation for everything, right now. It's OK to leave questions open. This is not to say that we can't speculate and come up with hypotheses that fit the available evidence... but we have to be prepared to ditch those hypotheses in the light of new evidence, and to be useful a hypothesis has to make predictions that can then be tested to see how correct it turns out to be. Yes. And this is where ID comes from; it's an attempt to reconcile current belief and identity with thus-far-unrefuted evidence. Alas, it doesn't work. Why on earth would you say that? We can work out how things like gravity and evolution and electromagnetism and chemistry work (and everything else, for that matter) without making assumptions or even caring about the motive or reason, if any, behind them. Now if you'd said "philosophy" then I may or may not have agreed, and if you'd said "religion" then I definitely would have done, but "science"? Not only does it carry on regardless, it's what creates this debate in the first place by challenging what had been assumed to be true for millennia.

Yes, for sure Emily. There has been no decrease in sex work either...and many holes have been poked in the major reports that attempt to substantiate that with bullshit data. As the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network Policy brief on the Swedish aka Nordic model has shown, http://www.aidslaw.ca/publications/publicationsdocEN.php?ref=1342 the work has just been more stigmatized and pushed further into the margins. When clients are placed under the specter of criminalization, so too are sex workers...negotiations are made hastily for fear of arrest. It has also led to a two tired health care system where workers are looked down upon and where anonymous HIV testing is denied to SPs (so unwise!). Because condom provision and other prevention programming is looked upon as somehow encouraging prostitution, these types of services have ceased for sex workers and their clients. It is also a crime for sex workers to run co-operative businesses. And, unless you own the property you work out of, it is a criminal offense to work in that given indoor space. Hardly a legislative model aiming to show care and concern for sex workers....and a lot of patronizing ideas about women being brandished in the process. We already have our own quasi-criminalized version of this framework in Canada. And, it's irritating that this Nordic model is touted as the next great hope in this country by people who clearly don't know what in the hell they are talking about. It's unfortunate that many upheld as experts on the issues don't even know the difference between a legalized or quasi-legalized model that treats SPs bodies as vices needing to be managed by the state, and a decriminalized model, which is what the sex workers' rights movement has been pushing for here , and internationally for decades. That is, a model where we shape best practices and meaningful health and safety standards as full-fledged labourers...professionals in our work, and where we have equal standing as citizens in this country. Huge difference!

A dangerous topic, as people tend to get emotionally involved, but I'll weigh in and will try to stay respectful. Intelligent design is sadly the result of a number of fallacies. I personally think, perhaps subconsciously, a lot of people believe in it because of a fear that evolution undercuts their religious beliefs, and so they latch on to this as a way of maintaining them. Now, I'm not religious myself, but I do like to point out that evolution and god are not incompatible. Evolution speaks to how life develops; it does not make a claim on its origin. Proponents of intelligent design claim that the complexity of life cannot be explained by evolution. This is an assumption; there is no scientific evidence supporting it. Very often the examples provided of things that are surely too complex to have come about without a divine guiding hand are simply misunderstood. The eye is a common example used by those favouring intelligent designed. "How or why could something so complex have come about on its own? Surely it's function is too intricate and specific to have developed without a guiding hand." But they forget the eye didn't just become its current form all at once. Vision as we know it would have started as simple as something being able to sense which direction light is coming from. A feature which you can imagine would be useful and so passed on. It would only be over untold generations that it such a thing would slowly gain complexity and function and become what we know as the eye today. But even for those things we don't have clear explanations for yet are not a point in favour of intelligent design. Lack of knowledge does not equal proof of a divine hand. Throughout history anything that couldn't be readily explained was given divine cause. Whether it's saying thunder is the gods fighting or a birds wings could not have come about naturally, it amounts to about the same thing. Intelligent design is also very selective in it's examples and arguments. True science forces itself to conform to evidence. But similar to how we tend to latch on to news that supports the sports team or politician we like and ignore their flaws (ever notice how everyone always thinks the refs are biased against their team and the news against their political beliefs?), intelligent design relies on misrepresenting facts, cherry picking data, misrepresenting evolution, and ignoring valid science. It basically comes down to this: yes, it is possible there is a god behind the design of all things. Evolution makes no claim about the existence of a god. That is not what evolution is about. A person can have faith in whatever higher power they wish, but just because a person believes there is a god behind it all does not mean it should be taught or considered as science.

How do you value your a(lone) time? How do you feel about being alone and/or lonely? How do you feel about the attachment we have to our cell phones, laptops, and ipods? I feel like we're constantly connected to something that may/may not be real. I feel like this 'connection' (virtual or otherwise) might infringe on our abilities to connect with people that are right in front of us. For example, I really miss just sitting on the bus and smiling at people. Being completely and utterly receptive to the present moment. I miss the time when it was more acceptable to start a random conversation with someone, before we all started hanging out with our cell phones. This is a really cool video that might inspire the thread - have fun with your responses:

I've been called a bottom feeder before. I take that as a complement because of my love of the feminine bottom and adjacent real estate.

If you're looking for recommendations I think a bit more info is needed. Your "regular" might not be someone else's regular. As for kissing, as Cristy said, it too is a VERY personal like/dislike. When you find someone who fits your kissing style and passion, who can transport you to the brink of ecstasy with their lips it's a beautiful thing. Start with attraction, move to meeting then try the kiss. Good luck in your search....SUCH a worthy goal! Kissing is *rawr*

I think there is a nerve that connects my nipple to my penis, because a woman sucking and playing with my nipples gives me a very instant and intense erection. :)

I, for one, am totally into it. Consider my nipples like little chocolate kisses that need to be consumed.

OMG!!! I have SUCH a male nipple fetish, the more sensitive the better. I love touching, pinching, licking, sucking, playing with them and I get turned on by it almost as much as he does. I find it's a very specific thing, either men like it/are into it or they're not. It's not something I push but if there is a reaction, I will definitely ask and given the green light, I am like a kid in a candy store! *rawr*

There are so many potential situations for orgasms that yes, this is possible. In my research and experience though, it's not a situation where "hey let's meet and make me cum without touching me". It is two people who are not only comfortable and trusting of one another but also have taken the time to learn the other person. This sort of experience is more mental than physical which means that you have to get into the other persons head and learn what buttons they have and how to activate them. How to weave the fantasy in their mind so that the physical body reacts. This takes time unless it's a really amazing situation. There are people who can do this to themselves but adding another person to the mix is not a short process. If this is the experience you're looking for, I wish you luck in finding it. So many things to explore!

How do i feel about being alone... good question but it really depends on what you mean by being alone... If we are talking about that positive time we have to ourselves to think, read, vegetate, self reflect or generally recharge our batteries I am all for it. However if we are talking about that feeling of being alone and unconnected even when we are surrounded by people.... that us a different thing. Sometimes in life we find ourselves in these places and it is when you need your friends and family to help you see what is right in front of you. The challenge is that often when we are in this place we act as if things are ok and we don't reach out for the help from the very people we need. People who are suffering from grief often find themselves alone in the crowd.

I love this and have done it personally and professionally. You do have to feel very safe and comfortable with whom you play, lets face it two men one women, the woman could be at risk. So please always play safe. In my threesomes I'd be giving head to one man while the other was behind-doggy;) Or one would be jerking off while he watched the two of us pleasure each other. So many ways to play in MMF, yummy!!

Not sure if this is the direction you are going but: Every time i see Christy's Tag line "I'm a Cock Therapist" two things run through my head: 1. Hmmm does my Cock Need Therapy (yes it does) 2. If it's Therapy.... can i get it covered by my medical insurance

Here is the website: http://www.someecards.com/ These make me laugh SO hard. Do it for me. Please. I love these. I've spent hours over the last week laughing! It's a great way to decompress and laugh a little.

Ottawa will be benefiting from a cuddle service in the new year. I responded to an ad of interest on CL and after some discussion it sounds like she will he ready to go in January. Keep your eyes open. We may need a new section here for this?

I LOVE cuddling!! Sounds great to me, I hope they are a resounding success.

I didn't see Ariel last time I was there (or any time recently), but did see Brandy up close, and she looked spectacular! :-)

Ur recommending her, sayin people should check her out. Why not write in the recommendation section where most will go look if they want to know about a lady. Usually only newbies post reccos in this area as they don't have access to the recco section initially. You also sound like you are recommending Beckie as well. If that is the case why not write a recco for her as well in the recommendation section.

Long distance flirting/sexting with a very hot and horny goddess! Times like this, I wish I had a teleporter.

Ah, but unfortunately Eric Northman of True Blood, is no more. In the end I did like him so hopefully the legend will live on with you! -Alg

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It should be shouldn't it, lol. After all when the cock is attended to properly the rest of the body and mind work much more efficiently and effectively :)

This sounds really interesting. There is so much value in touch and skin on skin contact. For those who aren't looking for a FS experience or less of one, this would be a great alternative. I'd love something like this....although kissing would have to be included!

From our AW social group And from RHAG

Christmas shopping:).I suppose this could be considered a "things that suck" with the crowds and traffic, but I love all the hustle and bustle this time of year :)ho, ho, ho, lol:)

These are the Golden Rules developed by Dale Carnegie. Principles from How to Win Friends and Influence People Become a Friendlier Person Don't criticize, condemn or complain. Give honest, sincere appreciation. Arouse in the other person an eager want. Become genuinely interested in other people. Smile. Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves. Talk in terms of other person's interests. Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely. Win People to Your Way of Thinking The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it. Show respect for the other person's opinion. Never say, "you're wrong." If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically. Begin in a friendly way. Get the other person saying, "yes, yes" immediately. Let the other person do a great deal of the talking. Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view. Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires. Appeal to the nobler motives. Dramatize your ideas. Throw down a challenge. Be a Leader Begin with praise and honest appreciation. Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly. Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person. Ask questions instead of giving direct orders. Let the other person save face. Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise." Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to. Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct. Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest. Principles from How to Stop Worrying and Start Living Fundamental Principles for Overcoming Worry Live in "day-tight compartments." How to face trouble: > Ask yourself, "What is the worst that can possibly happen?" > Prepare to accept the worst. > Try to improve on the worst. Remind yourself of the exorbitant price you can pay for worry in terms of your health. Basic Techniques in Analyzing Worry Get all the facts. Weight all the facts - then come to a decision. Once a decision is reached, act! Write out and answer the following question: > What is the problem? > What are the causes of the problem? > What are the possible solutions? > What is the best possible solution? Break the Worry Habit Before It Breaks You Keep Busy. Don't fuss about trifles. Use the law of averages to outlaw your worries. Cooperate with the inevitable. Decide just how much anxiety a thing may be worth and refuse to give it more. Don't worry about the past. Cultivate a Mental Attitude that will Bring You Peace and Happiness Fill your mind with thoughts of peace, courage, health and hope. Never try to get even with your enemies. Expect ingratitude. Count your blessings - not your troubles. Do not imitate others. Try to profit from your losses. Create happiness for others. The Perfect Way to Conquer Worry Pray. Don't Worry about Criticism Remember that unjust criticism is often a disguised compliment. Do the very best you can. Analyze your own mistakes and criticize yourself. Prevent Fatigue and Worry and Keep Your Energy and Spirits High Rest before you get tired. Learn to relax at your work. Protect your health and appearance by relaxing at home. Apply these four good working habits: > Clear your desk of all papers except those relating to the immediate problem at hand. > Do things in the order of their importance. > When you face a problem, solve it then and there if you have the facts necessary to make a decision. > Learn to organize, deputize and supervise. Put enthusiasm into your work. Don't worry about insomnia.

Just my opinion but, any GFE provider will offer kissing, but for passion, their needs to be some sort of chemistry. A girl can be a great kisser but if the gentleman is a face swallower, clumsy, sloppy, etc, there's not going to be much reciprocated passion. It does take two after all. Choose someone you are attracted to, correspond with her and if you still feel an attraction make an appointment and see if she is the one. Continued encounters are wonderful with the right two people. Give it time, have patience you'll find your right girl:)

realnicehat, I'm intrigued to see this hat of yours and find out if it's as nice as all that. Actually, do you own the hat... or are you actually some kind of sentient headgear?

Yes this can be a very memorable time for one and all . I have enjoyed this with trusted partners in my personal life and I am very lucky to have a gorgeous model like man to share with the right folks. He is truly hot and I have encouraged to him to go forth in the world and become famous! :biggrin::biggrin: Of course as mentioned I need to know and trust the gentlemen and if that if the case get the fireworks ready!! This is also a case where some notice is necessary! Please let your desires be know and as always Katherine will endeavour to be your fantasy granter!

I come from a religious background but I have to go with Evolution. That said I am not sure there is a need to prove that those who believe in Intelligent Design are wrong. The belief in a higher power has provided people with comfort for eons as people try to find a way to understand what current knowledge can't explain to them as knowledge continues to expand so will their acceptance if evolution. I know that religious radicals have caused much chaos over the years and I am in no way supporting the religious right. I just think there is room in the world for varying opinions and it is not the ones with knowledge on their side who should be trying to limit the expression of opinion even if it us uninformed. Again just my thoughts....

Not "who", but "what". Why did the big bang happen at all? And the answer could be: Colliding branes, dude... colliding branes. :)

"To those whom much is given, much is expected." JFK "I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." Churchill "Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves." Albert Einstein

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If you cant laugh at yourself, .. you cant laugh at the world.

Its been stated many a times that chemistry is always one of the biggest factors that can makes or break an encounter. Usually when duo's experience are offered, FFM, the ladies are well antiquated with themselves, therefore making the comfort level much more at hand, and if the gent is previously known to one of the ladies (or both), the chances of a fabulous time are almost ensured. So, a MMF threesome adds an additional layer of chemistry that comes into play. Essentially, I am open to a MMF threesome, but I would also need to be just as comfortable with the other gent as well. Something that would definitely take some time.. My 2c. D.

I run a business from my home and rarely get any alone time......constant communications and interruptions. My secret place is on my bike travelling. No phone (until gas stops) means I can relax. I finally learned this year that solo bike trips do not mean I have to stay at a different family member or friend's house every night. It may cost more, but I stay at motels and hotels...arriving at night and sleeping 'till I wake. Then, and only then, do I contact people for a visit. Before this, trips wore me out. Great thread. Reading this really made me realize how different lonely and alone really are. At times, I choose to be alone, but I do not have to be lonely.

I have been lucky enough to experience this on a few occasions and wrote a story about it for my blog as well. It is definitely a shift in dynamic from a one on one experience and with the right mix of people involved can be amazingly erotic and pleasurable. As has been mentioned, you should always feel comfortable with those you play with no matter what the circumstance or number. As Cristy said, there are so many combinations and even more depending on the men involved. Definitely an experience I recommend if the situation arises. As with most things in life, I believe we should sample as much as we can!

We all started from somewhere and discussing science can certainly become a complicated and interesting topic. Both make sense. I found this interesting article that explains that perhaps they are not so far apart. http://www.onelife.com/evolve/darwin.html I'm not sure what I believe though, science can be hard to dispute, there was a 1.8 million yr old fossil of a cranium found in the Republic of Georgia this month so.. Having very religious family members who always have a sound and reasonable explanation of how and why God does this and that's causes me to question science from time to time so... Perhaps I'll know after I leave this earth. One thing I absolutely believe and will never falter from is that humans are not the be all and end all , but one of many species on this planet. We are no more or less important than any other species and I think many have lost sight of the importance of our eco system as a whole and how the loss of other species will ultimately impact us and instead become believers in exceptionalism which I think is stupid! Great topic!!

I've never been in a MMF, but can see myself doing it as a special treat to a ladyfriend. I wouldn't really be interacting with the other guy, though, just looking to give her the time of her life!

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There are comments about her on the other 'erb board. The comments are such that I could not repeat them here.

You joined CERB and some members cannot view your profile because it is set that way (blocked), but ALL ladies can especially Ma's. So again I'm surprised you put this thread out there. Oh, and the answer is "seek an Sp"

I think she dealt with it appropriately. If there was just a scheduling issue you'd likely want to make another appointment, so it would just be putting off the inevitable. Move on and simply put it out of your head. She's wisely avoided a potentially awkward situation that would be complicated for both of you. If your lives intersect on a regular basis, though, you'll need to think carefully about how to deal with the next time you meet her, just to ensure both parties expectations of privacy and discretion are respected. Porthos

It's very unfortunate that anyone would make you feel that way :( sorry to hear.

I think a good way to get a feel for if the lady is for real or not (other than recos) is to get to know her a little either through PMs, chat room or texting (if she allows casual communication). I've had extensive chats with several clients to the point of feeling as if I already knew them before meeting. I also found that it heightened the anticipation of meeting for both parties and made the actual encounter much more exciting! :p

After a very busy day of doing everyone else's job, shooting some photos of a new product at work, I'm finally sitting down to a bottle of wine and relaxing on cerb. I don't even have to work out tonight. Life is mediocre. ;.)

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No SP's would avoid a virgin however most would want to have that information up front in original conversations. As much of a cliche it is, everyone remembers their first time and it should be a great experience. For many, it's not. Only you can know if it's hurting your social interactions. Your friend can offer an opinion but you are the only true expert on your life. If you feel waiting is important to you, do it and screw what your friends think. If you feel that you can't relate to women on certain levels or with a certain confidence because you have not ventured into sexual territory, then making a date with an SP is a wonderful way to delve into the unknown. If you do your research and find someone who excites you, she can provide a great experience and show you everything involved in the sexual/sensual side. Be open and honest with yourself and follow your heart. Good luck with whatever you choose to do!

I have a really bad relationship with my biological father. But I always trust myself in the present moment to do what's best for me... so I wouldn't see them as regrets, or as opportunities lost necessarily, but more as doing what's best for us (right now). If later we want to develop a relationship and the opportunity is gone, then we can mourn that (but mourn that at a later date) and not right now... I sometimes look back, but rarely with regret, I trust the me I was 2-3 years ago, and know 'she' did what was best for her too ;) Also, thanks Boomer. Your post was beautiful, and brought an issue to the thread I once again hadn't thought about. So far, I'm really enjoying where the conversation/thread is going.

Never give cc info. period