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This subject will come up time and time again. Every once in awhile I chime in as I've been discriminated against once or twice in my lifetime... There's a very fine line here... the thing is, there are some people who are slightly insensitive about the situation and say "hey, who cares just move on". I'll tell you, most of us don't lose sleep over the fact that an SP didn't want to meet us... but that doesn't mean on the spot it doesn't bother us. It doesn't matter if it's an SP, or someone at Mcdonald's not wanting to serve me. If you are denied service for less than a good reason it's upsetting. People who are quick to say "who cares, move on" I encourage you to think about it seriously...think about a moment you were discriminated against for whatever reason then re-evaluate whether or not your answer is still "who cares, move on". Now objectively, better the SP mention it in her ad like most have said. There's no point if SP isn't into it. Why she may not be into black people? That's none of your business. It's disappointing when they say "yeah a black guy was aggressive with me, they are all like that". Generalizations are ignorant, but those who generalize typically are too. Really, it comes down to the fact that there is something else bothering you, because most people are reasonable and don't just make up their minds based on one experience (unless it was really that traumatizing). On the flip side, why read into it so much? Just because the SP's ad says no black people doesn't mean she's racist. Maybe, just maybe black people don't turn this particular SP's gears. We all have a favourite flavour of ice cream, that's not discrimination. We don't have to talk about the human rights act. It's a brand new year people, respect each other and be kind to one and other...We'll be just fine!

I posted this comment in a similar thread previously, but I've added some comments based upon the recent Supreme Court's recent review of prostitution laws which have some relevance to this question. An sp can legally refuse to engage in sexual activity with anyone they choose, regardless of the reasons. There are very, very good reasons for this. The question of whether an sp can legally refuse to see clients of a specific ethnicity also applies to whether they can legally refuse to see clients of certain cultures, nationalities, religion, age, gender, size, hygiene, manners, ability to follow instructions, reputation, previous contact... Every reason that's ever been discussed on CERB. You name it! They are legally justified. The Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits the "denial of service" based upon "race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability...". Therefore if you only look at the Canadian Human Rights Act, you might think an sp cannot refuse to provide service to a client based upon race. However it's not that simple. Regardless of what the Canadian Human Rights Act says, neither the state nor a client can compel an sp (or anyone for that matter) to have sex with someone they don't want to have sex with. Why? Because compelling/forcing someone to engage in sexual activity conflicts with the sexual assault provisions of the Criminal Code of Canada. When there's a conflict between the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code of Canada, the Criminal Code takes precedence. The Criminal Code protects the person who does not "consent" or want to engage in sexual activity, regardless of what their reasons are for not consenting. Even if their reasons for not consenting conflict with the Canadian Human Rights Act, they are protected by the Criminal Code. Society's goal of protecting people from prejudice is obviously very commendable. However, the harm caused by legally forcing someone to have sex against their will is greater than the harm caused to the prospective client by denying sex to them based on race or ethnicity etc. The Criminal Code of Canada provisions for sexual assault require that "consent" be given when engaging in sexual activity. Sexual activity without "consent", regardless of why consent is withheld, is sexual assault. The Criminal Code also states that "Consent" "requires the voluntary agreement... to engage in the sexual activity in question." If an sp felt legally "obliged", "compelled" or "forced" to engage in sexual activity with someone because of the Canadian Human Rights Act they would be engaging in sexual activity under "duress". In other words, there would be no "voluntary agreement... to engage in the sexual activity." This is the very definition of sexual assault. This is also a good example of why "No means no." Not, "No means no... but only if you have a good reason." There's a fundamental principle at work here. Neither the state nor another individual can compel us to do something with our bodies that we do not want to do, regardless of whether our reasons are reasonable or unreasonable. This is a very good thing! In addition, as the Supreme Court pointed out in its recent prostitution decision, laws which are designed to achieve a social good (for example the Human Rights Act) cannot be justified if they cause unreasonable harm to individuals. In this discussion, that would be a sex worker's right to decide what they do with their body and their right to freely give or refuse sexual consent and not feel obliged by law to engage in any sexual activity. As we are all aware, sex work should be a mutually consensual service. It is not the sale/purchase of a body for use by the client as they desire. (Which is how many opponents of consensual sex work would describe it). While the Supreme Court's decision focused on the prostitution laws which it was hearing arguments about, they had a lot to say about the safety and security of sex work and sex workers in general. Those comments can be read into the application of other laws as precedent.

I personally do not care what colour people are but it is really not uncommon for people that are Indian or Black to ask me if I see them. I see everyone as long as they are clean and respectful. Multiple responses that I have seen over the years in multiple threads. -If the SP is indian or black and say she doesn't want to see people of her own color, it can be because they are sometime small communities and everyone know everyone and she doesn't want to be recognize. It seem especially for East Indian providers. -She may have a pimp. But to be honest, you CANNOT compare this industry to any other. Not food services, you cannot claim humans rights etc. A restaurant is public establishment that provide a service. An SP is a PERSON that provide a service. A person has feelings and preferences. You are kissing, touching, putting your penis in her vagina. this is intimate and cannot be compare. What if the SP may have try to have sex with black /indians/blue with red dots and is really not attracted sexually to them? In our civilian life it happen all the time that people states they may have sexual preferences for x races or y hair color. While I do understand it may be discriminatory you cannot ignore someone personal preferences. In my eyes... Would you enjoy having sex with someone knowing they are forcing themselves to be there with you?

There was a girl who kept telling me "no greek, no greek." And I kept responding, "I'm not greek, quit covering your bum." /joke

Seriously, calling it a human rights issue is an insult to the concept of human rights. No woman should ever be required to have sex with anyone she does not want to, nor will it ever be possible to legally defend such a position based on you paying for service (as the above poster so eloquently stated) You will never be entitled to have sex with a person just because you have cash on hand. Heck you even see on most SP ads that you are paying for the time and anything extra is between two consenting adults. I don't mean to sound aggressive, but there really are people with a lot bigger problems in this world than some hot escort that won't see them because of her personal preference. People are quick to scream human rights violation on the smallest of issues these days without really giving it much thought. Besides, what kind of experience do you think you would have with a woman that doesn't even like you and why would you want it? She probably listed it as a time saver for herself and anyone looking to be involved with her. Whether she still gets other people's business is their choice.

The OP said "Can't say I'd want to meet with a girl that openly racist." The short answer? Don't, if that's the way you feel. This is not a defense of the provider in question. I have no idea who she is, where she is located or what services she provides. Her presumed beliefs do NOT reflect my own. We can draw all kinds of conclusions in our own minds as to why the provider has set this proviso. Without her being on the board and willing to defend her stated preferences, we're all blowing hot air. There could be a MYRIAD of reasons that the provider has stated this publicly. If it affects you directly, then that's one provider that you can't see. Move along to one of the countless providers that WILL see you. She is NOT the only person in town offering services in exchange for remuneration. If it doesn't affect you directly, then you also have the choice to see or not see that provider. It's up to you. Just food for thought.

Well I am not willing to give up head or intercourse....that would be a revolution not a resolution. That said... my goal for this year is to happier... i know that is a very general thing but for the people here who know me well they will understand and for at least one of them I owe them thanks for helping me see that I can look forward to happier times again.

it is difficult to say. Will the law enforce that law as stringently as they have been enforcing the bawdy house or living off the avails laws? As in, will they turn a blind eye to the criminal actions of clients because they know that their time and energy is better spent on real crimes? Because that is what they have been doing for decades regarding those laws. I think what many sex workers are saying is they want to continue to work the way they are already working without it being illegal, and because doing it illegally there is always the very real threat that someone unhappy with her about something can expose her and get her evicted or exposed to friends, family and other tenants. With the laws overturned, she will continue to do what she is already doing, and now live without the fear of someone threatening to expose what she is doing at that location. \ I think there are a number of things that used to be illegal that governments eventually delete from the criminal code because they are stupid laws, or just laws no one is actually enforcing, or because society has changed in some way so that the thing itself is no longer a moral threat. Take a look at Colorado today. Would anyone ten years ago have said that any US state, including California, would have retail stores selling pot to non medical use customers? The reason they could make that next step, is because someone made the step to provide it and research it for medical use. That makes society more accepting of it in the abstract. Which leads to them being more accepting of it for general use. When the challenge hit the media, things were buzzing, but at the same time, many people were finally educated about the fact that it is legal work, and that the conditions imposed on the workers wouldn't be tolerated by any other group of workers. Maybe no one is ready for a retail shop to open on Main street, but I doubt if anyone is able to open a Pot Shop on Main Street Colorado either. No doubt they have restrictions and limits as to who can come into the venue and make a purchase, just as there will be restrictions and limits as to who can enter a massage parlour or independent sp incall.

Exactly this. More availability does not necessarily mean higher volume.

Also, let's not forget that if a provider says she's "busy" she may not actually be seeing clients, but having her own life, not in the mood, or maybe she hates you (lol).

So.... I have been watching a LOT of movies lately. LOTS. There have been great ones and not so great ones. There are valuable lessons to be learned from every movie that you watch.... here are a few from me. 1. Never trust a bald guy with a cat. (James Bond, Austin Powers) Lots of bald people on the planet. Lots of people with cats, too. You combine the two???? Deadly. Bald guys with cats generally belong to evil organizations that want to dominate the world. They have tanks filled with piranhas, sharks with lasers, ski teams with AK47's, and all kinds of other nasty things around their homes. Sure, they may seem polite and well spoken BUT... don't trust them. 2. Monkeys are fucking EVIL. (Planet of the Apes, 28 Days Later, Wizard of Oz) Sure they look all cute and such, but that's because they live in the jungle or if they are near people, we keep them in cages. Let those little bastards out and they will attack. In force. Super intellectual orangutans, brutish gorillas, scientific chimpanzees, rage infected baboons, winged gibbons... thank god we don't shave them and give them cats. 3. The 5 second rule does not apply to zombies (The Walking Dead, Dawn of the Dead... pretty much any movie that is premised on zombies and has "dead" in the title) Zombies are nasty. Sure they may have been humans at one point, but as part of their zombie union agreement, they had to forego the 5 second rule. So forget lying on the ground for a few minutes to make yourself less edible. You can roll around in dirt, cow poop, gravel, swamp slime... whatever... Zombies don't care. They'll still eat you. Bald, cat loving zombies started this practice. 4. Take off your glasses and become a different person (Superman I, II, III, IV, up to MCMLVXIII) It happens all the time. I walk around in my secret identity. I wear glasses to read. When I take them off, people wonder who I am. I put them on and they recognize me. Wear different glasses and I am different again. I take the different glasses off and I am the same unrecognizable guy. Superman was a genius... but not an evil genius. Superman had hair, and no cat. 5. When taking a vacation at a cabin, always take a large breasted expendable friend. (pretty much any horror movie, ever.) Here's the deal. We all know that psychos, axe murderers, chainsaw wielding demons, other-worldly beasts and bald guys with cats like to hang out in deeply forested regions with isolated cabins. Soooo... accompanied by a large breasted expendable friend, you go to the cabin. Send her in. She will explore the cabin whilst you unpack the car and do other things. If you hear a blood curdling scream (either coming from the dead animal filled basement or the really creepy cobwebbed upper floors), repack the car and leave. It's that simple. Ohhhh... and don't take a large breasted person that is actually likeable or has other redeeming qualities. Just take the expendable kind... I think they are listed on Kijiji. Sooo.... what are your life lessons???

When it comes to this hobby... it appears the only "restraint" I have is the limits of my bank account.

Wishing you all the very best in 2014! And thanks for all the fun in this past year. It's been a good one.

Yes, what that schedule usually means is 'don't call me at 7am, or midnight or any time on Sundays" lol Some will look at it and think high volume, when it actually may just be the hours of someone who is low volume, but readily available to accomodate different clients times and schedules. I like the comment about using low volume for marketing. I can always remember reading someone saying they were low volume because they 'only' saw two FS clients, and 2 massage clients in a day, and the appts were typically 1.5 hour average, and so on. And I'm trying to add up the hours and times and thinking hell, that's a lot of volume for a low volume provider lol.

Her body her choice. I am a little puzzled were does it say that a service provider is not allowed to choose who her clients are. No one questions our choice of which provider we see. She is not posting racist comments or racist slanders, she is expressing a personal choice.

That was actually the very first post of the 'Barb's' thread which is apparently at No. 2 in the rankings and quickly approaching one quarter million views - and rightfully so. My thanks to all the contributors and to the thread-starter Cato. Here's hoping the 'Barb's' thread will continue to be active, entertaining and informative in the New Year.

Sex for a provider and all women is and should be a matter of consent. I believe they have a legitimate right to decide who they will entertain. I think it doesn't take too much imagination to come up with some very legitimate reasons why they might adopt such a prohibition. No one should condone racial prejudice, but I don't see this as a place where human rights should take precedence. I believe I've have had women decide not to see me because of my age, but I don't cry discrimination. You accept these things and move on, probably wouldn't be a good date if she really doesn't want to see you anyway.

Perhaps reading these three threads; there are several good posts concerning this topic (it's been discussed before): http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=151618 http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=143689 http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=89799

And a lady advertising her availability as (hypothetically speaking here) 10am to 10pm Monday to Saturday doesn't mean she is seeing clients 12 hours a day 6 days a week, just that those are her hours of availability, that's all. RG

Ha...Are you telling me the lady I see most actually sees other guys?? She makes me feel like I am the only guy on earth she is interested in. So...the answer for me is it isn't a factor.

While on business through Kingston I made an appointment to see Mirella (having known her from previous visits in Ottawa and a recommendation thread that already exists for her there). I am honoured to be the gent to start this reco thread for her in Kingston. Although I was wearing a suit, I felt so under-dressed in front of this goddess with perfect hair and make-up (she is so pretty she doesn't need much BTW), in high heels and a slinky dress showing off every inch of her perfection. Moments later, I am savouring what I have missed since my last meeting with Mirella. She is super-model sexy, as classy as royalty, and as sweet as the girl-next-door. Mirella advertises as being a gymnast and it shows in her muscle tone and physical stamina, with every ounce of sensual energy that I offer her being returned in spades. She is very much YMMV and her ads are quite clear on what to expect and why, so I won't go into details. This visit was even better than the ones before because I believe there can be a heightened degree of intensity and ecstasy you share with an escort when you are a repeat client, and I am thrilled that I get that great vibe from Mirella when we are together. As our encounter comes to an end, my brain takes over reminding me that I need to be somewhere else than Kingston. As the door closes upon my departure from my time with this radiant woman, I hear a voice coming from below and look down realizing that it is my dick shouting at me, screaming "WHERE ARE YOU GOING, FOOL?!?!? TURN AROUND AND TAKE ME BACK TO HER!!!!!" :biggrin:

Some municipalities are defining the word "Escort" improperly here in Canada! In municipal by-law's some cities here in Canada have defined the word "Escort" as a person who goes on paid dates but does not participate in sexual acts with clients in exchange for money. They do this as they want to license escorts but they do not want to accept that the escorts are having sex for the money (that would make them pimps and pimping or "living off the avails" is illegal in Canada). We all know that the term "Escort" is a person who is a "Sexual service provider" also known as such things as a "Call girl", "Courtesan", "Prostitute", "hooker", "Whore", "Harlot", and many other names. Many of the names are demeaning and not respectful as we all know so the ladies choose to use better words such as "Escort" so that they are not grouped in with the women who solicit sex illegally on the street (Also illegal in Canada). In Canada being paid for sex is legal and paying for sex is also legal. What is not legal is pimping, underage of 18, public solicitation / communicating / procuring for the purpose of sex and keeping a bawdy-house. Your common "out-call" service provider who does not solicit in public, does not have a pimp, is of legal age and charges for sex is not breaking the law! So why can they not call themselves a "Escort" in some municipalities? Because the municipality writes these by-laws defining the word "Escort" to mean something that it is not! Most municipalities do this to try to get rid of the ladies. Many of you think they do this because they want to make money off the girls... but that is not true! They don't want the girls in the cities at all. They want to force them to move to another city or quit being a prostitute all together. They use any revenue made from the licenses to further police (and I say police but remember they are not real police they are paid city officials that are actually by-law enforcement and can not charge anyone with a criminal code charge - as much as some will try to make you believe they have this power) Some cities are going to even greater lengths by asking the local police to accompany the by-law officers and try to entrap a few ladies into public solicitation (so that they can stir some fear in the ladies). Yes, they are actually doing this! You can read a thread here on cerb where one lady was tricked into going for a drink at the bar in the lobby of the hotel where she met her date... the date tried to talk to her about sex acts and next thing you know she was being arrested. Yes this is entrapment and she did know better... but I guess she felt the conversation was private enough and he was a good actor (she paid the price) but this is low! She did not want to go to the bar to have a drink with this person and he pretty much demanded it just so he could trick her and charge her. Nice eh! Makes me sick too! A note to the municipalities, We know many by-law guys and probably city officials read sites like this. You should as this should be a big fear for you. Bulling people is fun until all the people you bully get together and form a community and rise up against you! The definition of a ESCORT is "a person who provides a SEXUAL SERVICE to a customer and exchanges SEX for MONEY" - For your information... this is LEGAL in Canada! Just because you make a by-law that redefines the word "ESCORT" to suit your needs it will not hold up in court! You can not pass a by-law based on your MORAL REASONS and you can not charge a ESCORT a LICENSE FEE knowing that they have sex for money as this makes your city a PIMP and you are in turn LIVING OFF THE AVAILS OF PROSTITUTION and you are breaking the law!! With the INTERNET and communities like this one here on CERB the ladies are starting to UNITE and work together! Activist groups are now challenging the laws in court that take rights away from sex trade workers - don't think that this will not trickle down to the municipalities who are also taking away legal rights of people! It will not be long till you bully the ladies enough in your city that they unite and challenge your moral based by-law in court. It will end up costing your city a fair amount of money and one nasty slap on the hand to tell you that you can not take rights away from people who are not breaking the law (just because you don't like what they do for a living!) You should take the advise of your town lawyers who have probably told you that passing a by-law like this can backfire, it's only a matter of time before the ladies unite against you (any many men support them - every day more are supporting the ladies publicly as well as it's not so taboo any more to employee the services of a sex trade worker. It is the oldest profession as you know! Keep in mind that with todays technology (the internet) it's much easier to communicate and form communities (Like this one) you and other cities could bully the ladies in the past (knowing they would not group together) but you are very wrong if you think that will continue in this day and age... it simply will not hold true! Bottom line... No matter what you do you will not get rid of prostitution in your city - Too much need and demand for it - let's face it... if no demand existed you would not have such a large number of ladies working in the profession now would you!?!

Around this time last year a similar thread was started about 2013. I went back to review my list and discovered that I was very efficient and met every lady on my list, some more than once. Yet there are always a few that I have not had the pleasure of eating, er, meeting yet. At the risk of offending some (not intentional) here is my wish list for 2014. In no particular order: Kathryn Bardot Cute0aza0button EmilyOreo Sexy Playmate Mia Alexxxis Roksi Mykaelle There are so many more that could be added to the list. Plus there are my favourites who I see regularly, if not as often as I'd like. 2014 is going to be a busy year!

Friends not finding a few free minutes to wish you happy Birthday!!!:(

Hmm.. All the men that are on my friends list, in no particular order and one at a time;)

Now I am all confused ..... am I a low or high volume client??? I don't see a lot of individual service providers so I guess I am low volume client.... but then again certain Ladies I see very frequently.... so does repeat volume with the same SP mean you are high volume with her but low volume to the total SP pool..... this is so confusing :) Of course this also raises the question.... if advertising as a low volume SP is a way to justify a higher hourly rate then is the converse true....high volume clients with low volume SP'S should they get a volume discount...... lolololol All in jest of course... My opinion is that volume means nothing to me... i see ladies who I have a connection with... if the relationship with the lady is good I will repeat.... if the relationship is amazing I repeat as often as I can. Just my opinion :)

I am giving up not a thing. I would rather take up YOU !! The above mentioned items are a must. I could add a few of my own...

As long as you are up front and if there is good chemistry it sounds like we could have a blast blast blast :) I don't find the recovery time awkward - its a good chance to give or get massages..catch breath..relieve any muscles that may have spasmed up.. have a nice shower or bath together.. i aim to please and msog on a shorter session may sometimes be a bit daunting but with a longer session theres less pressure and no rush. and for a longer session I would probably book ahead of time so the sp can plan accordingly to give you priority in booking so she will have enough energy and stamina to keep up with you ..not place you last in list after a long day of play...

To the 474 members whose real or imaginary birthday is today, a very Happy Birthday to you! :)

Having a driver is much safer for us, especially when we are seeing clients for the first time. I may use a taxi to a hotel outcall, but to a residential I'd probably choose to pay a driver to take me. But if it is done right, you should never know weather it is a taxi or driver that pics me up. Discression is important for both of us.

is it ok for me to say : preferably no white ppl a little spice is always nice heehee plus I don't want to accidently meet someone I might know in the community ...jjk

Great post Malika ... in this business, everything else has to be trumped by the question of personal consent, which overrides other considerations. If someone is a racist, it's quite reasonable to say that their personal preferences don't trump the right of the customer to be served at a restaurant. But for sex workers, consent does override other considerations. While I agree completely that not seeing clients because of race, ethnicity, etc. is fundamentally distasteful, there may be reasons for the provider's choices. At the end of the day, however, it's hard to say they don't have the right to exercise those choices.

Could u please specify what Amber your are referring to? I have more then one pic and I guarantee mine are 100% as Well as recent takes

I dont understand why someone would even try to get business with a pic they do not own? Why mislead someone who is clearly going to see what you look like later? It bums me out that every client that call me has to ask if my pics are real because of fake people posting fake pics. What really angers me is having my pics stolen.

Yay !!!! May I suggest Porter from your place to Toronto....4 hour layover. Air Canada to Calgary with a layover in Winnipeg of course...then board a mini-WestJet plane in Calgary to Brandon because they will land there..... ;)

Just saw one of those Viagra ads that cautions "if you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours, contact your doctor." Sorry Viagra. If I have an erection that lasts for more than 4 hours, I am calling every woman I know and getting them over to my place as quick as I can. I mean seriously. At my age, that is probably the last opportunity I'll have to have MSOG... or even a really good SOG.... or hell... even umm.... well... you get the picture. My doctor is not that good looking. She'd probably want to make my erection go away. I think there is something in the doctor's guide to sex with patients that forbids them from doing anything really fun with my penis. Whew. I need more meds.

Having a regular client from Ottawa that I haven't seen in ages be understanding that I am really stress about my move in two days and would rather cancel. He still offer to drop wine and cheese (some people know me too well) then offer me a ride to drop off some boxes and bins to my new location! It make my heart warm that some people care for me and like me as a person and more than only the "BJ" <3

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STOP. :) Relax and take a breath. Nothing is happening, and the cops are not setting up an elaborate surveillance upon you. Your brief tryst was a big deal for you, but the rest of the world didn't notice because it is really quite busy doing other, entirely unrelated things. Did you have a good time with during your appointment? Yes? Great. Let that memory be the thing you take from it. Now take a moment to observe your slight case of paranoia-induced fear, laugh at it quietly for a moment, then throw it away, and move on. ;) And happy Thanksgiving!

Great thread! I used to live in jeans, until a soft tissue injury put a stop to it. Now I live in skirts. Not quite as sexy and revealing as the ones pictured here, but I still find they make me feel much more feminine than jeans did. And while my skirts are all very conservative for being out and about in the neighbourhood, my summer secret is, I never wear panties. ;) (My winter secret is I'm wearing longjohns. :/ )

I always tell a prospective provider that I am black. It is her RIGHT to refuse to see a black person. Disclosing my race serves two purposes : (1) it allows her to come up with a good excuse (for example, emergency in the family) to cancel the date and (2) avoids placing her in an uncomfortable position should she honour the appointment only to meet a black man. Brother, why are you confused? Don't you have confidence in yourself? NEVER allow any one to make you feel inadequate. If you are turned down, find another date. Cheers.

I've been here once and I would not go back. People there are pretty nice but just not worth the cover and the cost of a beer. One or the other not both just not worth the price

Sexy star Jenna Lynn, a great GFE and a great bum.