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Plagiarism (Coping text from another provider to post as your own) is NOT acceptable on cerb. Copying someone's text is the SAME as stealing someones photos. Stealing someone's text (even off another website to post it here) will get you in HOT WATER with the mods and members here on cerb. It could get you suspended or banned from cerb as well. So don't do it please. It's not nice... and I hate having my pm flooded with people telling me someone is copying someones text.

1. Do you think that purchasing sexual services from an adult should be a criminal offence? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. Comment: Consensual commercial sexual services/activities between consenting adult service providers and clients should not be a criminal offence. Government has no legitimate role in criminalizing consenting adult sexual activity regardless of whether it is a commercial or non commercial transaction. Criminal law should focus on violence, threats of violence, extortion, withholding of passports/visas, illegal confinement and underage commercial sexual activity. Broadly these acts would fall under the headings of underage prostitution, human trafficking, pimping and assault. I do not support the Nordic model in which one partner (the client) in the service transaction is criminalized. While such laws have been passed elsewhere, I do not believe the Canadian constitution allows for such inequitable rights or criminal laws. I can't think of any other example in Canada where one person can be doing something legal while simultaneously another participant is deemed to be engaged in a criminal act. Any violent acts or threats etc by a client should be prosecuted just as they would be in the case of any two individuals where such harmful behaviour occurred. 2. Do you think that selling sexual services by an adult should be a criminal offence? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. Comment: I do not think that consenting adults selling sexual services should be criminalized. I think everyone recognizes that sex work can never be successfully "abolished". It has and always will exist. Criminalizing homosexual sex and anal sex in the past for example was a misguided attempt to eliminate them. The desire for sex, intimacy, human contact and variety is too deep to stamp out these desires. These desires cannot always be met by accepted social convention. Sex workers (women, men and transgendered) fulfil a need and niche in the commercial market. The next question is will prohibition through criminalization of service providers make citizens in general safer and more specifically will it make sex workers safer? The Supreme Court acknowledged that providing sexual services has unique risks. The social stigma associated with providing sexual services creates a social climate which increases the risks to service providers. Criminalization only increases the stigma and the resulting risks. While much of the Supreme Court's reasoning was based upon the fact that adult prostitution is currently legal, criminalizing it will not eliminate sex work nor will it eliminate or even reduce the risks to sex workers. Criminalization will continue to keep sex work in the shadow. Sex workers who have the means and skills will continue to work using online marketing. Even nordic countries acknowledge they've made no dent in this market. Outside sex workers will be forced even further into the shadows, unsafe locations, be further alienated from law enforcement and have even less opportunity to screen clients. The Nordic model assumes that sex work is exploitation of women by men. Obviously the largest portion of the market for sexual services is male heterosexual clients and female sex workers. The Nordic model however fails to acknowledge the diversity of sex workers and their clients (male sex workers for males, women for women, women for male/female couples, men for male/female couples, transgender workers for males etc.) How can a law be adopted which supposedly targets the exploitation of women by men, yet simultaneously sweeps in many other citizens? Finally, I've met many sex workers and they do not fit the stereotype of exploited or downtrodden women. Many have university degrees, have other small businesses (accounting, design etc) and like many people have made conscious choices about how they want to make their income and how long they want to do this work. Some women, while very intelligent, have not been able to get jobs that pay living wages for a variety of reasons (education, no work experience and a mid life divorce etc.). While sex work was not their first choice of work, they are comfortable doing this work. They will continue do it if it is entirely criminalized (just as many aspects of their work are already criminalized). Will criminalization of their work in its entirety make their lives better? I recognize that some sex workers are in exploitive conditions. These people deserve protection under our criminal laws, just as any citizen does. Existing laws related to assault, extortion etc should be used for their protection and strengthened if necessary to achieve successful prosecution of exploitive pimps or clients. 3. If you support allowing the sale or purchase of sexual services, what limitations should there be, if any, on where or how this can be conducted? Please explain. Comment: The federal government does not need to be involved in specifying where sex work can or cannot occur. This is a zoning and licensing issue for Municipalities. Specifying where sex work can occur is certainly not an issue for criminal law. Municipalities currently have sufficient enabling powers to specify acceptable locations, exterior appearance, signage, concentration and separation distances form other sensitive uses etc. These decisions need to be unique for each community. No community should be given the power to ban any aspect of sex work if it remains legal and if the laws related to indoor sex work are liberalized. Public solicitation, usually on public streets remains problematic. It has social and legal issues similar to panhandling. Outdoor sex workers however should not be forced into unsafe locations which increase their potential risks. 4. Do you think that it should be a criminal offence for a person to benefit economically from the prostitution of an adult? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. Comment: I'm answering this question, not on the basis of the assumptions implied by the phrase "prostitution of an adult", which suggests exploitation. My answer is for sex workers who are exercising free will and are making their own choices on how they want to work (independent or agency). Sex workers should be able to pay for accommodations, booking/phone services, personal assistants, marketing services, online services, legal advice, financial advice, drivers, security, clothing, sex toys, restaurants etc. Sex workers should also be able to hire agencies that manage many of these logistics on their behalf. Certainly anyone who is living with a sex worker (partner, children, friends, parents etc) should not be criminally penalized because they receive some financial benefit. Sex workers should be able to financially contribute their earnings to their families and friends just as any other wage earner in Canada can. Anyone who forces a sex worker to involuntarily "hand over" their earnings should be held criminally accountable for any for threats, extortion, intimidation, violence etc which have been used. 5. Are there any other comments you wish to offer to inform the Government's response to the Bedford decision? Comment: The Supreme Court's decision was very well reasoned, particularly in the face of an issue which has much social stigma attached to it. What stood out regarding their decision and written opinion was that it was based upon factual information and not morality. Any Federal response should also be based upon the factual information which we currently know about sex work and should avoid imposing morality upon citizens. There are many things which are considered immoral by a portion of the population (premarital sex, divorce, abortion, interethnic marriage, interfaith marriage, gay marriage, consumption of alcohol, cutting your hair, revealing clothing, working on the sabbath, using mechanical equipment etc. Canada is a secular society and should adopt laws which have a secular basis. What is a secular basis? Minimizing actual harm to our citizens and giving citizens autonomy to live their lives based upon values which may be unpopular or uncommon, provided they do not harm others. Many opponents of sex workers and their clients build straw man arguments. The sex work industry is characterized as being dominated by sex trafficking and exploitation of underage girls. These are certainly harmful behaviours, but there is no factual evidence or peer reviewed studies to support the view that these behaviours are representative of the industry. Fear mongering and decisions based upon fear mongering and inaccurate information will not result in sound law. Criminalizing clients or both clients and sex workers will only draw law enforcement attention away from harmful exploitation. Law enforcement will target easy arrests and never get to the hard undercover work required to crack down on the small proportion of trafficking and underage exploitation. The image of men and women involved in the sex work industry (as clients and providers) presented by abolitionists/prohibitionists is not representative of the majority of clients and workers in my experience. Most are ordinary people with diverse, common and ordinary backgrounds. While those participating in the sex industry will disagree with abolitionists/prohibitionists that sex work is inherently harmful, we all agree that we can find some common ground, which should be the basis for criminal law. Criminal law should continue to focus on exploitation through violence or coercion of adults and any exploitation of underage children or youth.

Following our two big hockey wins in the last two days I had to repost this.

Just because...... Well I was bored this morning in my office :) and I figured our Fat lodge won't flourish without more exposure on the world wide web !!! I will monitor it closely.....so far the site has one hit !! and I will update it from time to time with wise musings and lodge updates. If I can remember my password ;) I wrote it on toilet paper ? Enjoy. http://deepthoughtsbyfatbastards.weebly.com/

Yes - I've wanted to meet certain members, but worry I won't match their expectations of me. They never don't match my expectations of them, just I worry I won't meet theirs. Sometimes it's easier to meet someone I know nothing about.

I prefer to think of myself as Panther...a sexy woman on the prowl who is smart enough to now how to play, caring enough to enjoy the play, childlike enough to make it fun, lustful enough to make it passionate plus confident and all around awesome! I'd rather make my own "label" lol. :boobies:

And for what its worth, my submitted responses to the last three questions. 4. Do you think that it should be a criminal offence for a person to benefit economically from the prostitution of an adult? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. Sex workers should have the opportunity to conduct their business in a safe and professional way by being allowed to hire support staff, whether it be drivers, body guards accountants, investment advisers, and so on. They should be allowed to lease or rent discrete premises to operate from. 5. Are there any other comments you wish to offer to inform the Government's response to the Bedford decision? The decision is rightly based on a desire to help ensure the safety of sex workers. Any law that is passed that causes the trade to be driven underground or into "hiding," will provide opportunity for exploitation and violence against sex workers. Canada already has laws that cover issues such as underage sex, slavery, illegal immigration, abuse and assault. No new law need be implemented that makes this trade illegal for consenting adults, be they sex worker or client. It should be treated as a business such as any other. Specifically, the law about bawdy houses was declared unconstitutional. This decision should be upheld to allow for sex workers to be able to conduct business in a known location that will keep them from having to go to "unknown" and potentially unsafe locations. Secondly, the law about living on the avails of prostitution was declared unconstitutional other than in "circumstances of exploitation." The exploitation factor can be addressed with existing laws in the criminal code. Finally the third law involving communicating for the purposes of prostitution should make public, as in on the street solicitation, illegal for both clients and sex workers. Communication on a personal level by various forms of media and telecommunication devices should be allowed in order for both parties to have confidence about safe encounters. 6. Are you writing on behalf of an organization? If so, please identify the organization and your title or role: I am writing as an occasional client whose wife has passed away who at times wishes companionship in a safe and non-threatening environment for all parties involved. Proper research will indicate I believe that many of the stereotypes that government seems to be acting upon are in fact untrue.

One thing to add. There is a difference IMHO between being in love with someone and to love someone To me being in love means that person is the one person you can't live without. Someone you want to share and build a life with, forsaking all others (ok maybe, just maybe that's not realistic...that was the romantic in me coming out) You think about that person 24/7, miss her/him when they are away. Even at someone's absolute worst, you will still be in love with him/her, it is the person you are still in love with. Those feelings don't change. Case in point, my dad and his wife. Near the end besides being almost an invalid, finally bedridden, he needed a lot of daily medical care not done by medical professionals, such as draining his lungs. His wife did that sort of thing daily. He could not be left alone. It was more a caretaker/patient relationship but she did it because she was in love with him even though all the romantic aspects of their relationship were gone (they couldn't even sleep in the same bed any more) That is being in love with someone As opposed to love someone. To me that is a special affection, a deep friendship for a person. It does imply that, well obviously that you like them. You also trust and respect them. It doesn't mean you are looking for a serious relationship beyond being close friends. You are not looking to share and build a life with them, but you are glad they are a person in your life (if that makes sense) Being in love with someone is in my opinion a very strong emotion carrying with it intents of commitment, exclusivity building a life together and so on. To love someone indicates a deep affection and friendship, but there is no intention of building or attempting to build a life together or any sense of an exclusive relationship Probably worded badly, but a rambling for what it's worth RG

And we apologize for winning too.... Here's the actual conversation from Marie Phillipe Poulin just after she won the game for Canada....

I get excited about meeting someone from CERB especially if we've chatted prior to our date. Some I'm more nervous about if from their posts or interests I'm not sure what to expect. There are some I would love to meet just to see what they're like in person because I'm curious that way. I don't get tired of meeting people in this way but I sure did in past people related positions. Compared to things I've dealt with in the past and ignorance, denseness and gall of people, what I do now is a walk in the park...or should I say a roll in the hay! There are days you have to put on the game face prior but once with the other person, everything is great.

yes there's a few I'd like to meet. Nervous no not unless they book. Then maybe a bit. Lol

Ok, so everyone is clarifiying it for me. I always thought that a MILF was someone who had a kid, but really, it's someone who has had a child, and is still sexually interested in exploring. A cougar is someone who activilly seeks out her pups. I love the idea of a panther - but really they are the same breed of cats, just a different location and colour. I love being someone who actively pursues her pups, but loves being admired by those that wish they could be with her. I am always in the cross stream of definations. I love being something that crosses the boundaries and is proud of her conquests. I am both a MILF and a Cougar - I am happy with this. Thank you everyone for your input. I think I understand this better.

I'm far too old to be of interest to a cougar, and likely to old to have much luck with many MILFs. But I must say i do enjoy looking at the MILFs in the waiting room at my daughter's dance classes. porthos

I think people have hit on the key difference: the cougar is aggressive in the pursuit of sexual conquest, wheras the MILF is someone not so much seeking but rather admired and sought. But it's all subjective so yeah, you can't really tell what connotations either term will have for people. They'll decide for themselves. Personally speaking, as an attractive "mature provider" you're my preferred class of SP. When I was a kid I was always sort of in awe of the style and allure of women older than I was; and sure, looking back, there were definitely some MILFs! ;) But they were all unattainable, and certainly not interested in me, so "cougars" weren't really on my radar. Still, for some reason that special allure of a woman in her 40s or 50s hasn't changed for me, even though I've reached their age myself. Funny how the mind works.

The Canadian Government, more specifically the Department of Justice, just launched a public consultation on "prostitution-related offences". It looks like the window will be open for one month, from today (February 17th) until March 17th. You can provide feedback via email at [email protected] or anonymously via their website, online at <http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cons/curr-cours/proscons-conspros/index.html#2014_02_17>. Bombs away...

What's your criteria for booking an appointment with an SP? With the inspiration from Sophie's thread "NB Posters? Where are you? " , I created this one about booking criteria for a SP. Here is my ordered list for booking an appointment with an SP . 1) Reviews of the SP - The most important thing is whether the SP highly recommended. 2) Services Offered- Does SP provide services I need? 3) Personality- Best guess to determine if SP's personality suites me. 4) Attractive- Based on pics, do I feel attracted to the SP? 5) Schedule- Suitable schedule 6) Location- Discrete location is essential 7) Donation- not as important as the criterias above

Rhizostoma pulmo, commonly known as the barrel jellyfish or the dustbin-lid jellyfish. An 'Inari Fox' Art by Santani, inspired by GREMLINS Akhal-Teke, from Turkmenistan, is the most beautiful horse in the world!

An unexpected side-effect of the 2010 flooding in parts of Sindh, Pakistan, was that millions of spiders climbed up into the trees to escape the rising flood waters; because of the scale of the flooding and the fact that the water took so long to recede, many trees became cocooned in spiders webs. People in the area had never seen this phenomenon before, but they also reported that there were less mosquitos than they would have expected, given the amount of standing water that was left. Not being bitten by mosquitoes was one small blessing for people that had lost everything in the floods. Additional Comments: Many people pilgrimage to Uluru, but what is seen there often depends on where you've come from. One morning while on the Big Island of Hawaii, I was exploring my surroundings to see if I could find something to photograph. I almost went back inside when something on this huge palm tree leaf caught my eye. I stayed around and it was this little gecko, startled by my presence he was hidden between the ridges of the leaf. He would pop his head up periodically to check his surroundings; as soon as he saw I was still there he would hide again. We played this game for a while until I got the shot. (© Lorenzo Menendez

I tend to look at things from a financial perspective, so here goes. If you're an established lady with a verified presence and a good reputation, you might as well raise your prices on day one under nordic. As mentioned before, I think guys will flock to safety. Women with good reputations might find their calendars more full on a permanent basis. On the other hand, as guys become more risk averse to TOFTT on a new or unreviewed lady, there will probably be a vacuum of clients for new ladies. They'll perhaps have to lower prices or be forced into taking riskier clients (encouraging more street prostitution?). I don't know if excessive "price competition" in this industry is the best thing for safety. Some men (perhaps myself) will just stop doing this altogether, and that will just squeeze supply even more. I don't know how exactly agencies will fit in. They've always made me nervous. With an organization in place it just seems to me there's more evidence (money changing hands, communications, fingers to point) there when police swoop in, which the new laws could allow them to do. They'd certainly be a more attractive way for new/unverified ladies to get their foot in the door in an industry that heavily favours experience. Which might only make them more vulnerable to exploitation. There's definitely Charter problems in all this.

RG

A drink, after 2 flight cancellations I may need more than 1.

I'm with Kyra, I don't like either and I don't really feel either term describes me. I'm a mature woman experience, that's all :)

I would definitely go with MILF! Just for the thrill, especially if married. ;) Just Saying!

Welcome Gents, my name is Tiffany. I am 5'11" tall, 130lbs with short dark blond hair, hazel bedroom eyes, and a smile that will drive you crazy!! I believe in the simple pleasures of life, and love sensual experiences!! From the moment I walk into a room with you, you will feel the connection between us. From the first soft flirty move I make to a finish that will leave you weak in the knees, you will be thanking yourself for spending time with me! You will always leave my room felling relaxed and with a smile on your face!! It is after great thought and consideration that I have decided that it is time to announce that I will be leaving the Massage business. I would like to thank all of you for the wonderful memories and I will never forget the kindness of you all. Thank you for teaching me so much about myself this business and how wonderful the world can be. CERB is a Great Community filled with wonderful people, and I am thankful that I have had the opportunity to experience some of that greatness. All that being said that I will be retiring from the business at the end of February, So you still have some time to live all of your Tiff Dreams :wink: I'll be here at Angel's Touch Only 3 Great Chances to Live your Tiff Dreams... XOXOXO Friday February 21st 3:30pm-11:00pm Sunday February 23rd 10:00am-9:00pm Friday February 28th 3:30-11:00pm XOXOXO To reach me Call Angels at 613-274-7073 Text me at 613-277-4328 or Send me a PM here on CERB Services Sensual Relaxation Massage Body Slides, to make you say OMG Sexy Soapy showers for 2 Duo massages(2 girls, 4 hands) Oh, you will never regret spoiling yourself to one of these!! Private Dance Shows Set you on Fire Girl Friend Experience Couples/Ladies Welcome Life is to be enjoyed. not just endured -Gordon B. Hincley

Since it is raining here in Ottawa. My cat decided that we should spend the morning cuddling in bed. He also insists upon afternoon naps together.

I remember this show!

Just finished mine. I'm going to sit on it a couple hours before submitting. 1. Do you think that purchasing sexual services from an adult should be a criminal offence? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. No. It should not be illegal for any adult to purchase sexual services directly from a consenting adult who will be providing those services. 2. Do you think that selling sexual services by an adult should be a criminal offence? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. No. It should not be illegal for any consenting adult to sell their own sexual services to another consenting adult. 3. If you support allowing the sale or purchase of sexual services, what limitations should there be, if any, on where or how this can be conducted? Please explain. Communities should be able to penalize those who cause real problems as the result of any type of public commercial conduct. This includes littering, lewd public behaviour, harassment, and interfering with the flow of traffic. However, if street prostitutes and customers are behaving responsibly and not causing any problems, they should not be penalized on purely ideological grounds. Independent sex workers and customers should be allowed to meet in their homes, hotel rooms or premises rented for the purpose of prostitution. Multiple prostitutes should be able to work from one residence, as long as they legally reside at that residence and there are no outward signs that the residence is being used commercially (such as a sign, display visible to those outside the residence, or other indicator), and services are provided by appointment only (not on a walk-in basis). Third party walk-in operations, such as massage parlours or brothels, should exist only in properly zoned areas, should be licensed, and should be restricted to renting premises and services to independent prostitutes (not to consumers of sex services). Private clubs should be allowed to hold adult events involving prostitution. 4. Do you think that it should be a criminal offence for a person to benefit economically from the prostitution of an adult? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. Obviously, prostitutes, like anyone else in our society, should be able to use their earnings to support their families, and spend as they please. Prostitutes should be able to hire the services of others, including drivers, agents, and housekeepers. It should be illegal for any person to employ prostitutes to provide services to third parties. The potential for exploitation is too great with this model. For example, an escort agency, where the agent provides services to the prostitute, is fine. An escort service, where the operator hires and fires prostitutes, is not. A massage parlour or brothel that rents space to prostitutes, along with providing services including advertising, reception, laundry and security is fine. A massage parlour or brothel that employs prostitutes to provide sex to customers, and takes the profits off the top, giving the prostitutes no control over who they see or how they work, is not. As long as the prostitute is the customer, and can choose from among any number of service providers, exploitation will be best checked. When the prostitute is the employee, at the mercy of one employer for her livelihood, that is a situation ripe for exploitation. 5. Are there any other comments you wish to offer to inform the Government's response to the Bedford decision? Prostitution has always happened and always will happen. There is even evidence of animals engaging in prostitution. So any attempt to criminalize prostitution in order to eradicate it is doomed to fail and cause extensive damage, both to individuals and to communities. Therefore, only those aspects of prostitution which are shown to cause a real harm, either to sex workers or communities, should be targeted by the law. Lawmakers should work closely with sex workers across Canada in the writing of any new law. As with many issues, laws based on ideology or public stigma will prove disastrous. 6. Are you writing on behalf of an organization? If so, please identify the organization and your title or role: Nope! Just me. My credentials? Independent prostitute in Canada since 1982.

Here is the link again everybody: http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cons/curr-cours/proscons-conspros/index.html#2014_02_17 And here are my answers ;) Concise I am not, but then again, I am very passionate about this topic. I will be writing to my MP as well, and to the Minister of Justice. I do sincerely encourage all of you to let the government know where you stand on these issues ;) Thank you all in advance! 1. Do you think that purchasing sexual services from an adult should be a criminal offence? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. No please no! Lots of ordinary citizens (your fathers, brothers, fellow employees, and employers) use the services of sex workers. They do so discreetly behind closed doors in ways that do not affect other community members. Lots of ordinary citizens are in sexless relationships/marriages that would not even endure if not for the availability of sexual services. Furthermore, there are disabled individuals out there, and others with poor social skills/social anxiety, or otherwise disadvantaged in the dating market, who could get no sexual relief were it not for the services of sex workers. Consensual adult prostitution should Not be criminalized. The government does Not belong in the bedrooms of our nation. 2. Do you think that selling sexual services by an adult should be a criminal offence? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. No again! We are autonomous individuals. The selling of sexual services is very similar to that of other therapeutic services, e.g. massage/body-work, even chiropractic treatments. Often hands, elbows, knees, and other body-parts are employed in the delivery of these personal services. Often there is full nudity of the client and/or partial nudity of the therapist. Yet we don't criminalize any of these services (nor should we!), and we should not criminalize ordinary Canadians who choose to use their hands/breast/mouth/genitalia in the delivery of erotic services. To criminalize an individual's autonomous use of their body is a huge infringement on human rights. Please do not take us back to the dark ages. 3. If you support allowing the sale or purchase of sexual services, what limitations should there be, if any, on where or how this can be conducted? Please explain. According to Toronto Police, there are currently 200+ incalls operating out of the city's many condo buildings. Additionally on any given day, individual sex workers or agencies rent out hotel rooms all over the city and the sex workers aka providers welcome clients there. This is all done discreetly. The clients of sex workers and the sex workers themselves value their privacy and most would not want to be seen walking in or out of a large known brothel. We also have massage parlours all over the city, many of which have become full-service operations. Even those offer a discreet and safe location for providers & clients. In my opinion, any limitations to sex work should be achieved through zoning by-laws. E.g. stand-alone brothels should be subject to the same types of zoning as the current massage parlours. Those operating out of hotels/condos should be left alone as they are currently tolerated. (Again, most have every interest to operate discreetly, but should there be any noise complaints, those should be dealt way the same way any noise complaint would be handled.) With regards to street-based sex work which still takes place in some cities across Canada, this could again be handled through zoning, by having the city designate certain streets as 'strolls.' If someone is caught soliciting in public outside of a designated stroll, they could be served with a public nuisance ticket similar to a parking ticket. We should Definitely Not criminalize these most vulnerable of citizens, which by the way only make up 5% of the total sex worker population. 4. Do you think that it should be a criminal offence for a person to benefit economically from the prostitution of an adult? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. No again. There are professional agencies out there that are no different than a regular talent booking agent. They provide the women or men working there with a safe working location (hotel/condo), a professional web presence, professional photographs, and advertising services. For all this, they deserve a cut of the earnings in the same way an art gallery keeps 50% of the proceeds from the sale of an artist's painting. The only time a 3rd party should be criminalized is if they can be proven to engage in coercive practices (and Canada already has criminal laws against coercion.) 5. Are there any other comments you wish to offer to inform the Government's response to the Bedford decision? Please understand that prohibition doesn't work. This industry still exists all over the US, and ordinary citizens (clients & providers) have to be extra-careful and perform additional screening just to make sure neither is dealing with LE (law enforcement.) Making criminals out of ordinary citizens for no other reasons than that they were exercising autonomy of their bodies without harming anyone or disturbing other community members is pure insanity, and no way to serve the people. The 'Nordic Model' of one-sided criminalization is just as bad. Most clients are ordinary, well-behaved citizens (fellow community members.) They just want to discreetly meet their needs without causing harm or interfering with anyone. The only clients that should be criminalized are those engaging in violence/rape or theft, and I know Canada already has criminal laws against assault, rape, and theft. Blanket criminalization of all clients as per the Nordic Model, would make criminals out of ordinary well-behaved citizens. Furthermore, to avoid being caught by LE, the activity would go further 'in the shadows' and lead to the same safety concerns for sex workers as the laws found unconstitutional by the SCC. Decriminalization is the *only* sane way to go re: consensual adult prostitution, just like we have decriminalized gay sex a long time ago. Pls. also understand that the human trafficking saga is grossly exaggerated by misguided moralistic groups. In real cases of human trafficking and coercion, we already have laws in Canada that deal with these issues. 6. Are you writing on behalf of an organization? If so, please identify the organization and your title or role: No, but I am writing from my perspective as a self-employed independent sex worker, who has been in the industry on & off for a few years. Throughout this time, I have worked out of many hotels, and out of three different condo buildings. Before working independently, I did work for a couple of escort agencies, which provided me with a condo location to work out of, a professional web presence, and professional pictures (all things I was grateful for as I wasn't in a position to pay for these things myself at the time.) I graduated university at the top of my class. I engage in sex work out of my own volition and have never been coerced by anyone. In my experience meeting many sex workers, we have been more concerned about being criminalized by misguided laws than by any perceived harms from clients or 'pimps.' I do not deserve to be made a criminal in this great country of ours, nor do my wonderful clients who are professionals and business owners from all over Canada. I beg you to listen to the voices of sex workers and clients. Studies have been done already, e.g. http://www.johnsvoice.ca. I pray that Canada continues to be a light-house of human rights throughout the world. Sex workers and their clients deserve the same human rights as any other Canadians. Thank you for reading, and for considering my opinion.

Some of my most valued friendships are with other providers. Partly it is due to the stigma of being a sex worker -- very few of my civilian friends know what I do, so it has been invaluable to have those friendships where I can vent about frustrating situations and ask for opinions from others in the industry. And, it's not a secret that I offer duos with one of my best friends. It makes the chemistry that much better, that we connect on a level where we are comfortable with each other (and, lesbihonest ;) I think she's hot) and I think it shows in our sessions together.

As a mature provider - I waver between am I a MILF or a Cougar? I've looked at the definitions, and the definitions for Cougar aren't very flattering. Yes, I have a kid, but don't relate to being a mommy in this business. I prefer getting dressed up, but would never be a high maintenance Desperate Housewifes type of women. So, if you are a provider - do you lean towards MILF or cougar. If you are a hobbyist - are you drawn towards MILFS or Cougars? I once put an ad up saying "cougar spotted", and got all sorts of crazy replies. So, I am careful now about advertising this. milf "Mother I'd Like (to) Fuck" mothers, whether married, separated or divorced, that a male individual sees as physical attractive enough to want to have sexual intercourse with them. Just cuz their moms doesn't mean that they don't need a spark in their love life. If they've ever breastfed,they have really responsive nipples and a core of erectile tissue in their breasts. The ones in good shape have worked at regaining control over their vaginas (Kegel exercises).MILFs are usually real careful about birth control, they know accidents happen but they take responsible steps. They want to fuck with abandon, with no romantic complications for their under-19 family. A MILF is any mother that is sexually desirable. Cougar (see also hunt, prowl, corner, pounce). Noun. A 35+ year old female who is on the "hunt" for a much younger, energetic, willing-to-do-anything male. The cougar can frequently be seen in a padded bra, cleavage exposed, propped up against a swanky bar in San Francisco (or other cities)waiting, watching, calculating; gearing up to sink her claws into an innocent young and strapping buck who happens to cross her path. "Man is cougar's number one prey" Millions of them. More famously, Demi and Ashton, Naomi Watts and Heath Ledger, Joan Collins and her hubby, Cameron and Justin, Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins

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I "think" I know what you are asking Pandabear2018. Although from past experience, I'm sure the Cerbies will be quick to correct me if I am wrong :) For a new comer I understand How its hard to see the diffrence these days.. Besides the math part of the equation which has been very well laid out by the multiple responses in this thread, let us not forget that there is some useful information about M/A's and S/P's in a previous thread..Here: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=156693 And If your wondering about Extras that come witha sensual massage some options may include: Nuru- A delectable jelly like water based gel used for some amazing bodyslides, if you have not tried it in your hobbing so far it is an experience you won't want to miss out on!! You can read about the ladies including myself that offer Nuru Here: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152296 Other extra's might possibly include: An erotic strip tease/ lap dance in the privacy of your home ( independant M/A) or before / after/ during your sensual massage episode at the spa. A private pole dance at a spa that has a room with the right accomadations ;) These are just 2 examples of extra's that do not typically cost money, but add a little extra somethin' somethin' to your experience :) Extra's with M/A should not be of addtional costs to you.. Although, should you feel that she / he did an incredible job at making you feel your absolute best, as with any service industry, additional tipping is at your descretion and a huge compliment!! :) Please feel free to add to my list the help this fine gentleman out with his inquiry, ..it could be fun!! Cheers :)

Read this and tell me if you still think that: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Government+prostitution+survey+full+loaded+questions/9517691/story.html This isn't a Conservative issue - the Nordic model is promoted by the left, by human rights activists worried about sex trafficking, certain kinds of feminists, etc. The people who march in favour of same sex marriage also support this kind of law. I doubt Harper cares much at all about this and wouldn't have touched it aside from the court case, but no way would he accept decriminalization on his watch. The best solution for him now is the Nordic model, which will have support on both left and right.

This is a great question. In going to be honest here so no judgments lol I was scared. I was a dancer for a long time and SPs are often looked down on by them. When I made the leap I was expecting to hate it. I wanted to be disgusted, I wanted to be ashamed. But guess what? I wasn't and that scared me. It's been an awakening for me in many ways. I an finally able to admit to people that I enjoy being sexually empowered. I can finally be proud of it and be able to have a venue to express it. It's scary to go against societal norms but it can be so freeing too.

First thing to say... right now, I have no idea what I'll do, and no plans to acquire one. Entertaining though all the speculation may be, none of us really know what legislation - if any - will eventually become law. The fine details are likely to matter more than the broad direction of it, and the attitude of local LE will certainly matter more than either. Unless things change really drastically - which I doubt - I don't think seeing a well-established independent provider will be any riskier than it is today.