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Your asked for feedback, and started a thread which is going to elicit honest discussion and comments about the themes many of us providing sexual services experience with men seeking our services. Those themes inevitably result in generalizations to achieve a very particular task, which in this case was to unpack the various reasons why some SPs choose not to see men under a certain age. I don't see any disrespect happening here. And, if you truly feel that you exude respect and maturity, consider taking the advice graciously given here about how to tactfully approach service providers in seeking their company. Good luck! Anna

one specific day to step back and acknowledge women everywhere. I for one will forever treat all (men and women) by the old "golden rule"...I treat and respect all as I would like to be treated. simple rule and always has worked well for me. today though, special salute to women everywhere ( with a special thought to my mum who I miss dearly every sec of every day). xo

The other moderator suggested that we may be giving the troll what he/she wants by continuing this thread and I agree. Lets close this and let this one go. We will watch to make sure we do our best to keep him/her (and others like him/her) out.

Regarding opposite experiences with the same lady, consider this. I was on a cruise over the holidays and loved every minute of it as did the other sixteen people in our group. I frequent a cruise oriented discussion forum. According to some of my fellow passengers, the service on that cruise was terrible. The food was inedible. The ship was in danger of disintegrating under our feet. 2013 passengers, 2013 experiences. YMMV. As for the hit or miss percentage I've had one less than sterling experience out of umm... many CERB ladies. If one is running at 50% it would appear one is not doing his homework.

I took the time to sign with my real name. As some others have said early on, no one will take a petition seriously if it is filled primarily with aliases. Although I choose to keep this part of my life a secret from those who are part of my civilian life, I believe that it is important to provide verifiable names to illustrate that real people are have concerns for the health and safety for those working and participating in this chosen lifestyle. I have long advocated for legalizing the sex industry, in all of it forms... I can remember having this discussion at least 15 years ago with some friends at a gathering. Most of them were in agreement with the opinions I expressed. That being said, tomorrow will be my 1 month anniversary that I am active on this board, which also happens to be my first personal introduction to this lifestyle. What is the point of my diatribe? It means, that there are a lot of people who share out opinion, without ever partaking. Simply two cents! (Sorry RG for the paraphrase/steal)

I thought about it overnight, I contacted change.org asked them to delete my RG signature on the petition and I'm going to re-sign under my real name. Waiting to hear back and hopefully I can re-sign under my real name RG UPDATE Well tried contacting by replying to the email sent to me yesterday, but it's an automatic email, and my reply bounced back soooo There is an IM contact form I stumbled across on the site which I used, but alas, it bounced back too but I persevered and there is in the help centre a form used to contact them so I filled it out...so far no bounce back, keeping my fingers crossed

Something I thought of.... Often times (but not all), younger men have a great deal of stamina and can go like the energizer bunny! Don't get me wrong, it's a great deal of FUN, however, this can really wear a working lady out. Perhaps some of the SP's you've contacted are concerned about this. Just my two cents.

The whole topic of MSOG can take us in different directions when it comes to communicating with our clients or potential clients about this service. On the one hand, I've been asked to be clear in whether or not MSOG is on the table by gents who want to be sure that their time is their time and that I won't be ushering them out the door as soon as they have climaxed...some have felt downright insulted and hurt when they thought they were going to truly spend the full period of time with a lady, only to feel unwelcome after 15 minutes into an hour long session...alot of times the question is not just a about the hopes to have a second orgasm, but also to know that more touch and intimacy can be shared. On the other hand, sometimes the request or demand for MSOG comes from a not so great place....there are those who DO want that unreasonable guarantee in advance that they are going to 'get off' X amount of times, instead of also considering that it is ultimately my time they they are paying for, and not just a series of acts to be completed in order for the session to be considered a good one. I'll be crass here, because sometimes that's just the best way to go; there have been several times when I've gotten the sense, especially over text, that someone is looking for that guarantee of not just the possibility of further play/intimacy, but of actually 'scoring' X amount of times. When I feel like biting on it, I've put it like this: 'The time you pay for with me is the time that you get, and I care very much about you having a very enjoyable, hot, hot experience. If you want to give it another whirl with me, I'm your lady! What ultimately happens with your body, what you are physically capable of, is beyond my control though. So, to be clear, I am not a fuck doll and my comfort throughout the session needs to matter.' Putting it this way seems to really send the message home :)

I was going to say the same but with white wine. Make sure that if there is any sexual activity that it is kept above water level. Water washes the vaginal natural lubricant and because the water is warm/hot, bacteria love that environment. So to conclude it is perfect to set the mood for pre sex but not for doing the deed.

He/She was banned, IP was blocked.... I wanted to post the email address they used to confirm the account as well but I am not allowed to do that. :( IDIOT.

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Not often that I disagree with you C...but on this one I have to...We have many more than 1 or 2 high end Ladies in this city...many more. * Exclusive means nothing to me C...it's all about the service and ...in this city we have some Women that really deliver.Smell the roses ,man!

I agree with what the other ladies have already posted. Please understand that how you have a preference on whom you would like to visit with - WE (companions) have a preference on who we would like to spend time with. For me, I prefer 40+ I find I have a much better connection visiting with company slightly older than myself. I have personally found that the majority of younger men don't have a clue what they want and are more into a date that Im not into offering. As well I find I don't have much in common with a younger man and it leaves little to talk about, which leads to a not so much fun date. Don't get me wrong there are people I have spent time with that have been younger than that - however they have had impeccable references from ladies I know and that was the deciding factor on whether I visited with them. Keep in mind this is my opinion and no one else's. There are ladies who have no issue with age of whom they may visit with and maybe that is the route you need to go. Once you can gain some credibility from a lady who can vouch for you(with you being a gentleman and a wonderful client), that may help with getting an encounter with another lady you want to see. (please note it may not as some ladies are firm on their age requirements) Its nothing against you personally, its just what works for both parties involved. I mean do you really want to spend time with a lady who does not want to visit with you as you don't meet her requirements? That would not be a fun date.

Too bad we can't find out who he is so we could put a "I hate cops" bumper sticker on his car.

When you are filling out your information, below it gives you the choice to have your name show up (you can see other names show up below that box) or not show up by clicking it off or on.

You telling us you are a twenty one year old IT business owner only shows us that you can tell us you are a twenty one year old IT business owner. Which has nothing to do with seeing a lady. BTW encounters aren't about handling yourself Encounters are about a gentleman meeting a lady for a mutually beneficial time together Yes, in a perfect world generalizations aren't good, but ladies make their profession based on their experience dealing with people. And their experience shows them this age demographic isn't good for their business. It isn't about right or wrong, it's about the ladies do what is right for them So you have to show the lady you are a mature gentlemen, a man the lady would like to have as a client if you want to see her A rambling RG

Using you real name only makes sense, as if the use a pseudonym it undermines the intent and effectiveness of the of the petition. If it were one to parliament, not just the minister there are very clear rules about the requirement of using your real name. There was a concern expressed about whether to be worried about change.org or the government, but I would guess it's not so much about the government but a particular political party. I would think that if delivered to the justice minister he has a duty of confidentiality, and this sort of information would not be used for political benefit by targeting individuals who have signed.

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I have broken my over 30 rule on more than one occasion. For me, it has more to do with their maturity, level of respect, etc. I have turned down a lot of younger ones due to a lack of the above, and an inherent assumption that they can show up, skip the pleasantries and "get their monies worth". Not gonna happen. I'm sure some offer that and that's fine, but NOT me :) Email someone you're interested in seeing. If you are able to demonstrate a level of respect and maturity, I believe there are SPs who would gladly see you (myself included). Good luck!!

My preference is the Local Sp......I have never tried a traveling SP but not saying there is anything wrong with them to each there own. I think we have a lot of excellent local talent here and as long as that remains and the rates are reasonable I will continue to shop locally first. It is like any thing else if you don't support local....some day you will want to got to the "store" and it will be gone. Just my 2 cents:|

So I took one for the team... 24/7 agency? I was assured prior to the appointment by a man on the phone that it would not be a bait and switch situation after I warned him I would leave if it was. Well it was a bait and switch but whats worse is this girl was obviously not in a good place. She tried to make small talk and stuff and it was just really bad. I could tell she was struggling with addiction. She had that emptiness about her. The apartment was filled with smoke. There was weed out on the table. It was a truly Disgusting scene. I turned and left. Makes me sick how people can be exploited this way. 24/7 agency = very bad. Stay away.

Those pics don't even remotely do her justice . She is almost perfect.

I completely agree!!!! keep watch on him closely, he will probably sneak back in as he seems pretty passionate with a name like that! #getridofhim

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I think a lot of ladies have a general idea of the age group they are comfortable seeing. I generally see no one under 30 and of course there are always expectations. I have a client in Sydney now a regular and he really rocks. His initial letter was that of a very mature man. Name, rank and serial number. No reference as he was new but all work information easily verified. His age 22. Aside from the fact he looks very young to me, blindfold me and he could be 40 or 50. He always books way ahead , is always on time and treats me like a lady, no a queen. Also very understanding to my schedule and will move around if I ask him . He is such a great client I would write him a recco if possible.

Well, I've never hit any, and I miss them all! Seriously though, it seems to me if you're respectful, follow directions, do your research, and have a positive attitude, you'll much more likely to have a good experience and come away feeling happy. Of course, chemistry is always going to be a factor and presumably everyone has their off day. People are also wondrously different in variety, so not everyone is going to hit it off in the same way. But if some guys say they had a great time and a few others a terrible time...then maybe the variable isn't the lady. Of the encounters I've had a few of them have been wonderfully memorable while the others have been merely...great! If someone is only enjoying themselves 50% of the time, I'd be more likely to question what they are doing (or not doing).

I don't usually make a point of trolling the comments here, but really? Do you think the suit salesman expects to sell a suit to every guy who walks into his store? Do you think the car salesman expects everyone who comes into the car lot to drive off in an Escalade? Why is this any different? I've been to clubs on several occasions where I get approached and immediately asked to go to the CRs. When I've tactfully tried to say no, I get treated like I'm something floating in a toilet bowl. I'm sorry, but I do reserve the right to spend my own money as I choose. Respectfully, that doesn't make me a cheap ass, or any other kind of ass. It means I would prefer to spend my money as I see fit, not you. This thread is for advice on how to get a dancer's interest at the clubs, but I begin to wonder if there's need for a thread on how the dancers could get the client's interest.

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The only way a petition is effective is if people use their real names. Allowing pseudonyms etc decreases the validity by allowing for shenanigans. So you can sign it using your handle from here, but expect that anyone who wants to attack the validity of the petition to point out that respondents didn't identify themselves.

You'll see roamingguy just signed too...board handle, I hope accepted RG

There is nothing better and no better cure for most things than a great orgasm. But sometimes it's just not meant to happen. I know at times I can get very frustrated when I am really turned on and want it to happen and..... nothing:( so boys, it happens to us as well. If there are no medical reasons and your health is good, relax and take relief in knowing that some of us just aren't meant to at our wanted times. So the good news, you get to try again, and again;( Here's a link on some of the myths when it comes to woman's orgasms- http://sogc.org/publications/female-orgasms-myths-and-facts/

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it won't take long and he'll be gone

We all agree that there is absolutely zero tolerance for this type of disgusting display. We pride ourselves on being a respectful, caring and safe online community. Mod, please send a message and remove this sickness.

Just joined today - I agree - remove him.

Funny... on his (her?) profile under Friends it says "killallwhores69 has not made any friends yet". Umm... yeah. Don't see that happening. My vote? buh-bye!

Looking forward to seeing you again, Jazzitup!!

Well I have had many request for the use of the Nuru Gel.. I had finally decided to start offering the service but to my surprise it seems that NURU GEl Product currently being sold in Canada has been taken off the shelves voluntarily by the Distributor... (this is what I was told at stores..) I also tried ordering online from many websites with no luck (product can not be delivered to any canadian address)... So I decided to extend my search as I suspected there must have been a strong reason for this to happen... and found the reason the RECALL was made and product was taken of the shelves is because there is Microbioligical Danger (It contains mesophilic Bacteria, which is a Pathogenic microorganism)... The discovery was made in Germany... I have not found anything pertaining to Health Canada but what I understand is that the Manufacturing/distribuitor is taking precautions by simply no longer selling the product at all anymore... I guess IMO I would stay away until the manufacturer figures out how to solve this problem and comes out with a better product. Sadly all the units that they sold in the past are still around... representing some sort of danger to the massage providers that are Using this product...

My advice would be to strike up a conversation with someone you are interested in. Connect via the online world and let her get to know you before trying to book a date. If you can create a good rapport, perhaps she will reconsider and arrange a meeting. What Malika said is sad but true. Prove that you aren't a 20 something jerk and maybe you will reap the rewards :)

I always appreciate a 'heads up' call earlier in the day if the caller has an approx ETA and thinks they might be able to come by around (that window of time) today. Then it would be a 2nd call like you did 45 minutes ahead of the time you know for sure you can get there. In the meantime tho, the sp has already heard from you earlier so the later confirmation call isn't a surprise. The earlier call doesn't commit either one of you to that time, but she and you can be half prepared that if all things come to gether correctly for both of you, it will all work out. Even tho it seems to be a last minute booking, it really isn't completely last minute surprise.

Just take note there is a difference between a 30min-60min notice and somebody in your parking ready to come in NOW! Lol Im not saying that booking last min is bad. Im just trying to say that we need a minimum of time to get ready. ;)

Great Question, For myself I rarely see a visiting SP, firstly because of price, secondly we have a good selection of top service local girls in Wpg. which provide greater VFYM ( you are included in this list). I also prefer to see a local girl whom either has several good reviews by someone I trust, or I have personally seen her and want to continue seeing her. I think over the past several years , Wpg is seeing more & more lower level girls falsely advertising themselves, and providing subpar service, while at the same time we saw a sharp increase in touring girls who were giving above average service at a slightly higher price. However now I think we are seeing more & more touring girls charging much higher prices, and many are giving sub par service, resulting in many frustrated clients, and clients keep looking for that diamond in the rough, and because of the way the local scene has tended to go , many clients forget about the great local girls. Adding into the mix , I think we have seen a decrease in quality girls at the local MP's for various reasons, which just adds to the confusion. My personal opinion is that quality local girls , like yourself, are on the verge of seeing renewed interest in the the local homegrown gal , who gives consistent top quality service, at a reasonable cost. IMHO 200hr is reasonable, and we have enough great local girls to satisfy ones desire for variety. Hopefully more local guys start supporting local. Just my 2c worth.

Yeah, I can understand how it would be harder to enter into the market of such a small city. Maybe coming for a visit in the Summer, more as a vacation and have a couple bookings could open the doors a bit? I was thinking that perhaps ladies from down in Alberta would be more inclined to come visit. Hopefully someone will make their way up here! <3