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So... the guys that happen to agree with SPs on an issue are being insincere, and are just posting stuff that they think will go down well? And they're doing it because they're needy? Sheesh. Is it too much to imagine that they might just be saying what they think? Is it completely implausible that they might genuinely agree with some of the ladies, irrespective of any perceived reward for that? If you want to hang out in an environment where clients and SPs line up like opposing armies and then have fights over things... I'm sure you can find one. I believe boards like that exist. This isn't one of them. Bear in mind that the people who have been around any forum for a long time will be a self-selected audience of the ones who like the way that forum operates. That applies anywhere. The ones who are looking for something else will tend to leave (or be kicked out) and will migrate to an environment that better suits their taste.

Darling asdr, I do understand your perspective. What is said appears to be a line of answers that read as politically correct statements to any given comment that may be posted challenging or questioning situations that arise in this unique world we choose to live in. Truth be told, there was a time on CERB when topics were new. There were questions to be asked and answered; perspectives to be debated and enlightenment shared. It was time when the boards here in Canada were very Wild West and there was no safe place for providers to converse with hobbyists and CERB stepped up. This board provided a haven for the people that weren't looking for a flame war but genuinely wanted to connect; even if only online. For a while there was much to discuss and the archives will verify that no stone was left unturned. But the trolls continually tried to move in, both male and female alike and rules developed to keep the conversations respectful and from that we have the CERB of today. Is there room for improvement to promote more meaningful discussions on CERB? Absolutely! As with all things, it's either growing or dying. What would you recommend as a change for the challenge that you see? I'm not asking this sarcastically, I genuinely am interested in your response... cat

That'd be a shame -- I honestly hope you choose to stick around instead. Reading back over the thread, it looks to me like most people have been pretty respectful of you when responding. It's probably no fun for you to hear the same thing ten different times, and a few of those replies showing some sharp edges. But basically I think people were just trying to answer your question best they could. I know I was. You asked a good question, and got some honest answers. I hope you decide to stay and ask some more questions, and to help answer others.

Sorry but from my POV when one starts a thread, it should be implied that there will be feedback and that some of that feedback will contain comments we don't agree with. The wonderful part of of a discussion forum is the vast amount of perspectives that allow us to broaden our views :)

QUOTE "I consider myself a "realist", but I am also a very positive person, and I am so sick of this "white knight", "rosy board" and other similar arguments. Like somehow it's dishonest or insincere to be a gentlemen. Just the concept of "white knight", which is exactly what your post is alluding to, bothers me. I find it a bit misogynistic, even. " QUOTE It is definitely not insincere or dishonest to be a gentleman. Being respectful to woman is a strength not a weakness. We all have special women in our lives. A mother, daughter, sister, cousin, friend, etc... and if we want them to be respected we should do the same to other women. Having said all that, there are some posters here who take it to the extreme. There are posters who will never disagree with a woman on here. I think some guys are afraid to debate with women for fear of being disrespectful. So instead of saying what they really think, they say what they think will be popular and what they think the lady wants to hear. I think this is a small minority of posters but in my opinion it does exist here.

I understand this must be rather frustrating for you. When we have an intimate connection with someone, and spend a couple or a few hours intertwined with someone both physically and emotionally, it's hard to not have expectations or desire something more. (More is vague, but I think everyone knows what I mean). It's true that everyone is busy, but people (in general) are usually selective about who they are friends with. This happens both in the industry, and outside of it. I'm certain you don't talk to every friend on your Facebook, just the ones you really care about, right? I'm not suggesting these SPs don't care about you, but I can only imagine how frustrating it gets to receive these sorts of PMs, texts, and e-mails continuously from every client, when most of those clients never book an appointment with them again. We all learn from experience, and there are a lot of people in this industry who will see a girl once and then never see her again, but expect texts, e-mails, and friendly PMs. I don't think that's a fair expectation to have. Once you've established a regular connection with an SP or MA, that's a different story, but when you've only seen someone once? That's a bit more complicated to navigate, and will definitely be dependent on how busy the worker is (both personally and professionally). I know it sucks, but that's the way it is =( You're definitely not the only one that feels that way, but we all learn with experience. I really hope you find what you're looking for, Nat xox

ASDR, in your last post you asked for proof that when people make comments it's because they are saying what they truly believe and not just to earn "thanks" or are pretending to be a gentleman. I believe that you ask this question sincerely, but doesn't it seem a bit of an odd one? Why is the burden of proof on me to prove to you that I say what I believe? And how something like that be proven or unproven? I think it's unfortunate that your outlook is that when a bunch of people--men and women--offer posts that promote respect and understanding, you assign ulterior and negative emotions. Is it truly so unrealistic to think that men and women can just simply on topics? I admit I do sometimes start to skim a thread when someone asks a question or makes a point, and it seems like twelve people give the same answer in different words, but that doesn't mean that each of those twelve people weren't saying what they mean. It's also useful because it shows what the prevailing view is (or at least seems to be). It's also the nature of forums. The whole reason people come hear is to express their opinion and read others, so it's a bit silly to be surprised or annoyed when they do so. :) Consider this, is it not simply more likely that if you notice that most posters get along, support each other, promote an understanding and suggest guidelines that makes this business as happy to everyone as possible, etc that this is because the board has simply attracted those type of people over time? (now to sit back and wait for the thanks to roll on in!!!...oh crap, did I type that! ;) )

Happy to report, my friend has seen the light so to say. Had a very scary situation happen the day I wrote this. Since then, my friend has made a doc apt and has been sober. It is only the beginning of a long road home, but I am hopeful. I am trying to make activities that do not resemble old habits, crafts, working out and focusing on home life. Thanks to everyone who posted here, it really helped me to "not give up" on my friend. :)

Thanks Asdr for your observation and opinion, you're entitled to it as is anyone else who comments here, as long as it's respectful:) We all see and read things in our own ways and those different ways should be appreciated and respected . I think everywhere, including here there is going to be some occasional sucking up, but that's to be expected when men and women entwine to discuss a myriad of topics and I'd agree that's it's not uncommon for some to show their thanks simply because they like the op not necessarily the opinion, kind of human nature. Laugh about it don't let it bother you:) The thing to remember when posting something here is, you're going to get those who'll side with an opinion and those that won't, those who are friends and stick together, those who are unbiased and those who are on the fence. If you see some you think that follow a trend of thanking for what you consider the wrong reasons perhaps it's best that you just ignore their posts. So long as they're aren't breaking any rules there is little else you can do. Follow those you feel are your style or to whom you feel respect, ignore those that bother you and you'll enjoy the site much more:) Thanks for the thread:)

Hmm... I'm having a hard time with this sentence, too. Someone posts a question and people offer their answers, and you think those answers are probably right... but you're troubled that the people are taking the time to answer? That's just an interpretation, though. You're assigning motives based on supposition. Isn't it possible that people are just honestly answering the question? We're on a board where posting words is the community's primary currency. Even if the answers are fundamentally the same, several matching replies suggest that the answer is a commonly held opinion. Plus, people tend to add their own nuances, touching on new facets and related ideas... and that's what keeps a conversation going. If everyone backed off after any question gets a single reply, it'd be a pretty dull place.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot: how many guys here would appreciate having an SP that they saw once continue to contact them, as if a running dialogue were part and parcel of having seen each other once? How would you react to an SP who makes the statement that because they saw a guy once, and he seemed pleasant and to be enjoying of the SP's company, that that automatically meant he was okay with the SP contacting them to say "hey" whenever? And even more so, on judging the hobbyist, saying something to the effect of "how hard can it be for him to respond with a simple 'hi'?" We must respect one another. I don't blame the OP for floating it out there, to see if someone he met is interested in more. If you really felt you clicked with someone, it's always worth a try. I only blame him for his seeming to pass judgment on those who don't respond the way he wants.

Seriously, I don't remember the last time I saw someone post or respond in an arrogant manner. People disagree, but this is a very calm forum. Go to 4chan or some really frantic boards for comparison. If you think this place is hostile or the posters are arrogant you must be taking it too seriously. As for posting to get brownie points: that would require psychic ability. How could anyone know for sure they would get props for a post? You're overthinking this.

Is there any better reason to seek companionship from an SP then because there's a void, you lack confidence or skill? Those are the ones that need it the most! Just "getting a life" or your answer to know yourself, be happy etc isn't easy and isn't always possible. It's something that take a lot of times and isn't only in your hand. Sometimes you night help to at least survive/hang in there until the problem is cared for. A good parallele would be asking someone depressive to just stop taking pills and be happy. To one day solve your problems and be happy, you might need those pills for stability and motivation on the way up. I'm sure there is some that have a problem, but i don't think trying to shame them or saying they are a sad bunch is the right attitude. You do realize that poor skills with women is also often caused my minor (or major) disabilities? It's also a lot of work to "get" skills with women, especially if you want to be true to yourself and be loved for what you are. Getting confidence takes success, even if it's "artificial" ones. You can't expect to just go outside and try to seduce women, rejection after rejection and while having absolutly no affection and sexual live. Especialy if you're not just aiming to "score" and actually want a serious relation with someone you could love.

I am more of a lurker here and don't post much, as you can tell by my post count. I usually will see if there is a thread already out there for what information I seek. If I feel I can add something or it really hits home with me I will post, but if there is an opinion already closely resembling mine, rather than post I will just give a "thank you" to it, similar to the "like"button on facebook I feel. Anyhow, you mentioned in your last post that when you started posting people were rude to you, so being a reader I went through I looked at your post history to see if they were rude. I found all their responses to your questions or concerns really well worded and quite nice. I'm not sure if maybe you had a different handle at the time. I would just say if there are some that bother you then ignore their posts and move on, it's similar to other social media, people are always going to annoy you for some reason or another and their views won't always be in line with your thinking.

Sorry to kind of hijack the thread but Jafo, have you ever heard of/tried oil pulling? If not, you should really try it. Some people even say they stopped going to the dentist since doing it.

FTN40 took the words out of my mouth, we consider this as a community. As a community, we have many types of personalities, we have the shy, the loud, the funny, the leaders, followers, silly, serious... this is what a community built on. A chance to learn and grow, whether your learning form getting an earful (lol) or by having questions answered, being able to cry the blues and have support. WE ARE A COMMUNITY and we are on-line friends too. For myself, if let's say Roamingguy or suddenly left our community, I will feel a void, and he has given me my fair share of " cyber spankings" lol...but he taught me from being like that. So for me, this on-line friendship has shaped some of my views that perhaps I never would have had otherwise. So hopefully you are enjoying and learning from the thread you started. I say that honestly, because it is a great place with great people to get to know:) ENJOY!

The road of life is seldom an uneventful journey and at times in our life we will all struggle.... no matter how independent we may think we are... no matter how strong we may imagine ourselves... life has a way to humble us all. When this happens to us we are seldom prepared... we are often in denial that we even have a problem... and we often take it out on the very ones who care most about. It is at these times that the way you have lead your life, the character and integrity that you have shown others....the friendships and the connections that you have made that will come to support you and comfort you and stuck with you regardless of how difficult you have made it. Just so I am clear I am not suggesting that regardless of what you do your friends should just do as you ask... i am saying that in these cases when a friend is in trouble and in need and does not know it or accept it the best you can often do is to let them know you are there.... provide them with options that they can choose should they wish to seek help... they may not appreciate the offer in the moment but maybe soon they will. Just my opinion

We may all be excluded from blood donation but the post for me was an excellent reminder that as part of our community we all should be looking to Give Back in some way. While I know that some of us struggle financially my overall impression is that to be a regular hobbyist you need to have access to a reasonable amount of disposable income. If that is the case then a reminder to give back like the OP is kinda right in my mind so thanks. For myself I try to remain very active in my community serving on a number of Boards for local charities or Committees... I have been extremely lucky in my life and except for the last 5 years I did not really know what it was like to struggle... as I have struggled over the last few years I have been amazed at the number of caring wonderful people who I met while in involved in community work who have come forward to support me and give me strength. I started supporting charities and community groups long ago because I felt that I should help Other poor people in my community" what I have learned is that we are all part of the community and at times we will all need help so when you support a charity you are building Your Community which also improves your life. I have gotten far more out of my involvement with charity than I have ever given. Just my opinion

Just so everyone here in NB knows, car dates are ILLEGAL in canada and therefore can not be discussed or advertised as available here on cerb. It seams a few ladies are offering this service and are receiving infractions here on cerb for mentioning it. Please DO NOT advertise or DISCUSS this (or anything associated with brothels, streetwalking, underage, public sexual encounters or solicitation in public) thank you.

I concur with others on this. I think it was an honest question that maybe others wanted to ask but did have the nerve. Although you may feel you took the brunt of it, think about how you may have helped many many other people in the process. Both SP and hobbiest. It is a good thread. Stay aboard

You know, i've been thinking for a while that i should give blood. Even feeling a bit guilty cause i didn't really have time to get informed and get a medical rendez-vous. So thanks Jafo for teaching me i can't! Saved me some time and i'll just have to find other ways to help.

I would suggest you attend the next party they have. As long as you let them know ahead I'm sure you would be welcome.

Not sure why this has become SUCH an hot topic. It is what is is. A place for people to share thoughts. If you aren't open to what others may have to say then don't post (I learned that while back). Breaking crayons and storming out of the sandbox is something that should have been resolved before adulthood. If you aren't willing to at least partially absorb what others may have to contribute then you will never have the ability to grow as a person. Should not all interaction be seen as a learning experience? The great wonder is that we can never quit learning, no matter our age, growing and becoming better people. Closing ones mind adds obstacles that are not necessary. I believe that I have the capacity to learn until the day I die and my views right one will change as I go. Believe me, I am no goodie goodie trying to impress, I am just at an age now where I realize that I don't know it all and never will! PS I wasn't against the original post and would have replied to it had the discussion not veered of into this discussion.

I honestly couldn't believe it when I first heard about it, it's almost April! I have never been so tired of winter but this year is really testing my patience, I've been stuck in so many storms and airports that I have lost count. Fortunately I heard about this in advance so I'll be in Toronto not NS when it hits but Wed. was the day I was supposed to fly... and well I'm definitely not doing that now. I do hope everyone stays safe and warm and that their are minimal power disruptions, I know for me that's one of the worst parts of a winter storm - losing heat! Stay safe and warm everyone!

Although I am quite content with my appearance.....and I like the clean shaved head.....there are days I want my hair back so I can go outside and not burn the god damn thing or have to lather on # 95,000 strength sunblock or wear bandanas !! Not really an appearance thing tho. Not sure what it would look like appearance wise ?? but I would also like 2 penises .... not one big one.....but two ! Be quite handy in a ménage a 3 or 4 ! .....and I could also fire from both barrels at once if need be just like my DB shotgun ;)

I think what may getting lost here is the original query regarding some responses to posts that you feel either belittle the poster or come to the defense of an SP or come with a sense of superiority. Agreed. These exist on this site and likely any other board where there are people of varying opinions. Yes, there are times when I am reading a post, I see a response that seems petty, as if the responding poster is the arbiter of CERB and feels the need to correct or admonish. This could happen anywhere. I would argue that 99 per cent of the posts are positive and informative and you have to outweigh this with the odd negative posting. The other motive here is that you could be simply stirring the pot as evidenced by the number of responses to your original post and subsequent responses.

I can cook the basics and I do know my way around a kitchen. I think I do pretty good most of the time when it comes to eating healthy. Although I do have a problem with portion sizes when it comes to veggies. I like bigger healthier portions for them. I even use "Mrs Dash" rather than salt and pepper. About 3 or 4 times a year, I go on a junk food binge for a weekend. A whole large pizza, fried zucchini and a dozen BBQ wings - all in one sitting. And a six-pack of root beer to wash it all down. I rarely if ever drink alcoholic beverages. The old body just does not tolerate it like it did in my younger years. I think the secret is keeping an eye on how much processed meat and cheese we consume. As well as, sugar and artificial sweeteners. Sugar comes in may forms and many of them people are not even aware of. The food conglomerates did that for a reason. They know the addictive properties of sugar and sweeteners have on people. Without that they would not make as much money. Did you know that sugar is what keeps the bad bacteria in our stomachs out numbering the good bacteria. That leads to a whole lot of other problems in our health. Stop Feeding Bad Bacteria!

With the exception of losing some weight I am not sure I would look to change too much about my appearance I am generally OK with me. I too have a medical issues that while it does not impact my appearance it has had and will continue to have significant impact on my life... so rather than alter my appearance if I had the power I would change my health.

This may not be a welcomed note but its intent is to look at ourselves with the same judgement as we do to others. Its absolutely neccesary to rid your life of these types of individuals. I do not agree with ignoring the individual, not that you should have to deal with him but to be aware of the people in our community. I have received pms as such, it does piss me off but I always ask myself..."what went on in this person's life for him to be this way?" I'm not saying getting involved but be aware that every human has their story. One moment, one side of his personality is not the total of this person. He is not different than anyone else, how he handles pain in his life is where you will see some difference.We have no idea what this man has gone through to get him to this point. I am NOT defending his actions but simply provoking thought of the world around us. I posted about not judging others unless your hands are clean. How clean are our hands. Love you all but " I am no better than anyone else, my sins are simply different" Just as I would want to be treated with compassion should I behave unsuitable in society's view point. When we judge others with a one-eyed view, are we then just the same as the 'jerk' (yes, I do think he is a jerk but he is also a human being. We all have a breaking points and always it will affect how you very the world, safety, security, sanity, etc.....). An opportunity to learn and grow has been presented to you by the interaction. Every situation, interaction, and environment offers us the opportunity to grow. Be open to them, look for them and enjoy the growth you have gained. I apologize to anyone who feels affend by this. This is not written to upset others. Just a thought provoking viewpoint Peace & love

This has been asked and answered several times on this board already. But to summarize: - the fee is nominal ($10 a year) and when you pay it the first time you join it is applied against your first visit. - the private club aspect allows the establishment to vet prospective members and weed out undesirables, (potentially dangerous folks, trouble makers, LE etc) - Membership and booking in advance means no unknown "walk-ins" coming into the club. A lot of trouble in non-member establishments come from that quarter. - There is an agreed and shared expectation of service and what one can expect from the club that is not evident on "one-off" encounters. In my mind for $10 it is totally worth it.

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I wouldn't change a thing. I am happy with who I am...and if others don't like what they see...then don't look.

First I have a medical condition I wish I didn't have. It's the reason why I don't drink. Very few here know what it is, but it affects my life daily. Could stop taking meds and although few notice, my day to day life appears normal. But there are things I have to do to deal with this medical condition on a daily basis I also wish I could lose this gut. No, not looking for washboard abs or anything like that, but I wish I could lose this gut and once off keep it off Quick response from everyone, diet...well easier said than done Funny how there's support and sympathy for a smoker trying to quit...that to me should be easy...to quit smoking you just don't smoke anymore...simple, it's just stopping a habit But to lose weight, diet...you can't stop eating, you need to change your habit from eating wrong to eating right Plus exercise, which for me is walking, but with this sh*tty winter, it's been too treacherous to walk Not an excuse, ice and snow covered sidewalks have been too treacherous to walk on One other thing, and not so much because of appearance, but I wish I didn't need glasses, and had 20/20 vision without glasses My baldness, I've learned to accept it...it stays RG

Remember this is a public board; so nobody's eavesdropping on conversations when they post here, or being presumptuous in responding. Posts are how you participate and join in the community. In your workplace lunchroom scenario I think it's much more like this: FRUSTRATED GUY: (Aloud to room) "Dammit! I just tried calling my ex and she won't answer my calls! We just broke up last week, you'd think she'd be over it and could at least answer! I don't get exes, they're so frustrating. Argh! I just had to get that off my chest. GUY 1: "Hey, you may want to give her a little more time. It's pretty soon after the breakup." GUY 2: "Yeah, sometimes No Contact is just the way to go for a while dude. Helps people get over things and move on with their lives." GIRL 1: "Yup. I've had a few rough breakups and I know I needed some space for quite a while. Sometimes I just can't talk to the guy again." GUY 3: "Hey, Frustrated Guy, maybe just don't call he for a while and get out with some people? There's a new place opening up this weekend, maybe go there. It might be a good idea to get your mind off your ex and meet some new people... first new steps and all that." GUY 4: "OH JEEzuz come off it you bunch of arrogant suckups! What's with you people and this ridiculous place!?" GUY 1, GUY 2, GIRL 1, GUY 3: "Huh?" Sorta like that.

+1 on what Reddog said. You could also consider Erin, Katrine and Jessica. I don't think there's been much of a drop in indy MAs. There's turnover, yes, but people come and go from this industry all the time. However, there's two things which I think could give you that impression. First: quite a few of the indies have been around long enough that they have established clients who come back to see them on a regular or semi-regular basis. This means that they don't necessarily advertise all that much as they're filling their schedules without doing so. Second: Over the last year or so we've had a lot of MAs from the spas join as paid advertisers. That means that even if the indies post as often as they used to, they're still less visible.

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Zoro, I hope this doesn't count as backlash, but in this my sympathies are with the lady. Now, I too will sometimes send a hello or good wish to a lady I have seen, but if they have the time and interest to reply back I consider that a bonus, not an expectation. You ask "is it so hard to reply back with a hi"....well, yes, for some maybe it is. You point out that you are busy but still have time to chat with friends on Facebook. But surely you must see for the that the relationship the ladies have with us gents here is not in any way the same as your buddies on Facebook? Now, I'm not saying some don't become friends in a way, and it's not like there aren't conversations that happen. But again, that's a bonus when it does! It seems to me that a lot of grief and hurt that happens is when people have expectations that don't get met. You asked an honest question, but the answer I think is that, in this case, the expectation may be unrealistic. To be frank, when a lady shares her time with us we are not buying the right to her friendship. And if a lady doesn't have time to carry on pleasantries with every past client that is her right. And consider this, if they do give a quick hello back, does that not just encourage future messages? If there is no time or interest in such, isn't it better just to make that clear early? Again, I'm not saying you're wrong to offer the occasional hello or see if someone wants to have a conversation. But they are not wrong or even rude if they don't want to take you up on it. Best.

Absolutely. Yes. 100%. In fact you owe it to yourself to do so if you even suspect that she might be under 18. Remember, the onus is on you to be sure, and they won't accept "I didn't know" or "she told me she was" as an excuse. I can think of few faster ways to ruin your life than to be caught with an underage sp. As far as the privacy thing goes, tell her beforehand that you expect to see proof of age. She can put tape over the name and address if she likes. you simply need to see the picture with a date of birth. That isn't to say that all sp's will embrace the idea. If she declines, then that's an even better reason not to take the risk. It may cost you an encounter, but the risk is too great otherwise. Cover your bases and your ass. Just my thoughts. Mikey

Actually if you book on a 777L the bathrooms at the back of the first class cabin are big and if you book a 777W the bathrooms in the front of first class are large enough possibly for 3 people :) I have yet to achieve entrance into the mile high, however I have my preferred airplane washrooms selected :)

Nice looking lady or not, she could use her own photos. Im sort of appalled that you or anyone would back someone using fake pictures. That is a clear insult to every lady that actually uses their own photos (and men wonder why those of us with REAL photos depicting ourselves get annoyed when people ask"are your photos real") This hobby is a fantasy not a bait and switch fairy tale. The fact people actually support women like this make me shake my head.

ME! Lol,lol, no, mine are implants:) But do you think having people compare sets of boobies is a good idea? It is subjective and really why not just do some research and pick a girl that you really like and with a body you find desirable. Some may feel hurt by being left out or even insulted for being singled out. Most of us want fairness, kindness and acceptance here. Saying one is better than the other is neither fair nor gentlemanly, imo. But if some want to indulge your sense of curiousness who am I to rain on the parade:)

Yes that darn sugar as Jafo said it's in everything . Sorry no suggestions but I'd like to know as well:)

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Monday Robyn 9-4 aka "robynxoxo" Pandora 10-4 aka "Pandora" Taylor 10-7 aka "Taylor Devine" Lexi 9-11 aka "Sexy Lexi" Hannah 3:30-11 aka "Hannahxo" Kelly 6:30-11 aka "Kelly2010"

Additional Comments: Shaking my head here at anyone supporting someone doing bait and switch...bait and switch is cardinal sin number one. Imagine the disappointment, to say the least at someone booking an encounter with a lady based on her photos to find someone completely different at the door. How can you say she is a nice lady when she is misrepresenting herself. If she is a nice looking lady, why fake photos. And you vouching for her, well at a minimum it puts into question any ladies you support and recommend RG