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Undercutting and competition should never be allowed in any industry. Collusion is the only way we can all be happy.

Since the OP is looking for advice at the beginning of his journey, perhaps it would be better to advise him to take a woman's word at face value. Asking an SP for something she clearly states is a no-go is not a good way to begin. Everyone's experience is different but for me, SPs that advertise CBJ are quite handy at getting that hoodie on there before the fun begins. YMMV

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I think it's up to everyone to set their own rates. It's a personal decision, and one based on a lot of factors that we might not necessarily know about. "Do 'they' even know the cost of living in Canada?" I'm assuming you're talking about recent immigrants of migrant laborers? I'm sure they do know the cost of living here, but need to make a certain amount of money to make ends meet. I have no idea, we aren't walking in their shoes after all... Ultimately we can't judge. We don't know anything about their lives or what determined their rates, etc. I don't think it has anything to do with self-respect or fairplay either... it's just people trying to make a living in ways they see fit. These things have a tendency of working themselves out. I'm really sorry it's making life difficult for you, Eve. I think that the really good clients, clients who are respectful and kind, will continue to see the ladies they want, regardless of the cost. I don't think it will drive your prices down at all. People are always transitioning in and out of the industry... Those that stick around (like you) and have good reputations (like you) will be successful in the long run. We need to hold our judgment and be in solidarity with one another. It's a tough industry! Just my two cents, Nat xox

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Christy: If you are not raving about Salavitori's there is no hope for you. :-) I second Bramoso. Even more so though, I recommend On the Wedge in the Sunnyside Mall in Bedford. Now I know what you are thinking, a mall food court place, but seriously it is gourmet pizza and very good. Very different recipes. Moon Pie is unique and delcious. Not been around on CERB much due to a sudden health problem developed last year and I can only eat a tiny amount of cheese and a tiny amount of tomatoes now, so pizza is not practical for me anymore. I miss it. Allot. Friend of mine got the place in his neighbourhood (Alexandra's in Hammonds Plains) to make a pizza using some sort of mustard base. I realize this sounds full on insane but it worked. I could have a slice and half and it was great. Will try to get more details if you are interested.

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It's all in the connection for me, which has been stated several times. Time and finances don't allow me to hobby too often and I love to window shop, but when I do find the opportunity to visit a lady, I tend to avoid the price extremes. However, those price extremes too often do not reflect the experience. There's a true gem or 10 at every price level for me. I have met ladies in very humble surroundings (not dirty.....just humble) that I really fell for......genuine human beings. I have met the mid-range ladies that I felt soooo comfortable with. I have met the odd slightly more expensive lady that were the most down-to-earth people you'd ever want to meet and never regretted the extra money. Like another poster said, I'm not cheap, but I am frugal. If we enjoy ourselves- at whatever price point- you've made me happy. So far, the ladies I have met have either been incredibly good actresses or we have both just been normal human beings who have enjoyed each others' company. The ladies I enjoy are the same ones I would enjoy regardless of circumstances and price is not the determining factor.

Summer, even though we have not met, I can certainly understand why you had lower pricing to start your SP career. To me, a lady is not "undercutting" others when she first starts out with lower prices, but she is simply gauging her (or his) level of companionship. After a while, with recommendations and experience, adjusting her pricing to what she feels is appropriate; in effect, EARNING her justification. New providers will always draw attention from established ones, that's just the nature of the business.

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As i retired "older gent" hobbiest on a ever declining fixed income let me say that price does matter. Not that I'm a Walmart shopper,but after surveying a ladies web page, and I admit to being a visual person, and find an SP (there are many) that appeal to me I turn to the Donations section. If a the time my "piggy bank" can stand the intrusion I pursue the inclination. However if it cant stand the run on the bank I put my urges on hold for a time, and even may double up on my contributions to the "discretionary" expenditure so that I can eventually spend quality time with a desired companion. Should someone appeal to me with a low price it in no way diminishes my desire to to contact them,as I will be ready to TOFTT This said i find myself drawn to the SPs that are in the "normal" to "low end high" range for CERB members, who have always provided a most relaxing and enjoyable encounter and am not sure that the additional wait time (for the bank to fill) to obtain a high end priced companion would provide an experience any more satisfying than my "budget allows. This said i'm not cheap but am a frugal spender.

FunValerie hit the nail on the head here with this quote. We are selling exactly that. A gentleman will look for who he is attracted to, chemistry clicks, services he wants, and makes his decision from there. those that 'undercut`tend to do it for quantity rather than quality sometimes, which is a shame. Albeit, there are circumstances that we don`t know about in why some do this. I have advertised `special rate`for a certain day, and had someone contact me three weeks later asking for the service for THAT particular rate, just because someone else is offering it. I may have placed 5 or 6 ads since that particular rate, and the gentleman has said, `well then, let me know when your going to offer it again at that price`. First of all, its not up to me to let you know when I am offering special rates, its up to you to look for what you are seeking. Hence the reason for advertising. It`s potential clients like this that make the undercut girls have a lot of business sometimes. Those gentleman are only looking at getting their rocks off at the lowest price. Not someone that I want to see. I would rather have a gentleman that wants to see me for me, and the services that I offer. A few have stated the same thing here in this thread, that rates are not a local thing, it is up to the particular SP what he or she is going to rate specific services at, and why. Base your rates on your services, how you feel you present yourself and if you have something that you offer that no one else does, or few do offer. Services are going to be different all over the place, so are rates, gentlemen are looking for what is attractive to them, so I wouldn`t worry about the 'ùndercutters`, when someone says to me, `'oh, so and so does this for $xx', I just tell that person to go to them then, as I am not reducing my rate just because someone else does. Most of us have non-negotiable rates, so why bother even asking for a reduction, I consider it rude for anyone to ask for a reduced rate. Have your rates as to what you feel your services and you are worth.

I have just come to realize that my touring rates are lower than most providers similar to me. Its not something I ever consciously noticed until I was reference checking for my current tour and noticed than some of the ladies I was contacting have rates substantially higher than mine. I had a gent book a four hour date and when he provided his reference and I checked her site I noticed that she's getting the same donation for 3 hours as I'm getting for four. So I started checking others and I'm substantially below the other touring ladies rates. NOT INTENTIONAL!! I might increase my rates next tour to keep me more in line with others so I'm not undercutting and offending or annoying anyone.

I am a very positive, spiritual person and I support everyone for what they want to do and I try my best not to judge anyone based on ANYthing. I charge $XXX/hr inclusive and that by no means indicates how I value myself. I am NOT a stupid woman nor am I blind to the market where I am. I am also open to my limitations with hours, looks, wardrobe etc. No one knows my situation nor do they know me or what I deal with on a daily basis. I am a quality provider who cares, who has amazing skills and I try to connect with my clients. I shun many of the industry "norms" because I don't agree with them. I give pleasure because I love it and I want to do it. To have someone comment there are no quality providers at my price point or that I am not attractive because of my price point or that I am not a serious provider or in it for the long haul, to that I say piss on you...I am amazing. I may not be for everyone but for those who see what I am and what I give.. I am NOT my price point. I get very tired of these threads. The bottom line is do what you want. Do what makes you happy. Do what makes you feel good about you and fuck everyone else. If someone does it different say "you go girl". There are enough people against us in this industry without driving it home amongst ourselves. Enough already. Everyone has a place no matter rates, menu, looks, age, sex, or any other factor involved. We are all in this together and we are all important. One year in the making...I hope I said it in a positive manner.

I'm with Nat on this one.... the rate a lady chooses is up to her, and her only. There is no set local price. We don't know the reasons behind why someone decides on a rate to charge, and we have no right to pass judgement on them for what they decide. Charging a lower rate doesn't mean the person has no self-respect. It could mean they are comfortable providing their services at that rate. Or it could mean they need the money. Or it could mean many things. Similar things have been said about providers who choose to offer 15-minute specials, and I firmly believe none of us has the right to look down our noses at the girls who choose to do so, and I belive the same about the rate issue. What other girls charge has no effect on my business. My clients come to see ME, and I believe most of them would no matter what I charged. I am not concerned about 'losing' clients to lower-priced providers. Clients don't 'belong' to us anyway.

Of course not being a man I don't have any final word . However I think the best blow job is the one you are presently enjoying . I had great fun last night entertaining a lovely man with my duo partner . Clearly this gentleman was so happy I'm not sure if he noticed when we moved and changed positions . I personally believe a man receives the best blow job when he looks dazed and totally confused and is not even aware exactly where he is . This is what I saw last night and again I'm not sure if he knew exactly what was going on where !

Letting a fart out that I've been holding way too long after I'm well out of sight, sound and smell of any ladies.

Had an occasion a few years back where I arrived at the lady's location, went in and there was a child sitting on the couch watching television. I asked "what gives" and she said, "it's okay, he won't disturb us, he'll sit and watch cartoons". The whole situation creeped me out and I handed the lady a twenty for her troubles said "sorry" and walked out. Perhaps I was wrong but it felt right at the time, and I'd probably do exactly the same thing if the situation ever repeated itself.

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"Is this just plain wrong? Or am I on to something here?" When it comes to attraction and how you want to live your life, as long as you aren't hurting anyone, then there is no universal right or wrong, and you simply have to do what will make you happy. It already sounds like you know what that is, which puts you ahead of the game. :) As for your other comment, one of the biggest myths/stereotypes that seems to be out there is the idea that all the ladies in this business are somehow coerced or involved because they have no other option. If you've been reading the threads hereabouts I imagine you've already realized how often that is clearly not the case! And while everyone is entitled to a grumpy day here or there, I think most people will tell you that many ladies here are both professional and enthusiastic. It sounds like CERB is a good spot for you. Stick around, read recommendations and the many thoughtful posts the ladies share, and I've no doubt you find someone who appeals that you can enjoy a mutually happy experience with. Good luck!

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I know this post is a little old, but I was searching to see which escorts also might do webcam, I am getting back into it again full-time and was thinking of adding my webcam profile on my provider site.

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I seem to recall the MOD making the point that we are not allowed to discuss other ladies rates on this board. I know I got into trouble for doing so. All I can talk about is myself which is to echo what some other ladies have said. We are all unique and as long as we are comfortable charging what we do, it's really no one else's business. And for the guys who book solely on price point, they usually prove in the end to not being the most desirable clients. If someone is going to haggle with me over $20 or more, then I suggest they move on to the ladies who offer those rates.

Define low rates????? You can't without stepping on toes here, as every lady has their own way of producing their rate. See, when we state lower/higher rates then what exactly is a lower/ higher rate? I've seen some terrific ladies at 200 an hour or a little more than 200 I have seen those that are 300 or more, and in fact 400 or more an hour and have spent over 1k with lady in the USA for a 3 hour session. Regardless of the rate, that it may be, there is always a "connection"depending how one individual looks at it and that can happen at 100 an hour, I don't know I have never seen a lady in my time for an 100 an hour,unless my mind is failing me from 10-15 years ago. Companionship is defined as a "feeling of fellowship or friendship" that can be found within ladies regardless of rates. I think giving your own perspective clouds the original OP thread start. A Courtesan is a SP with wealthy or upper class clients, I've seen many Courtesan's however I do not think I'm wealthy, perhaps upper class, but why the difference between a SP/Courtesan/ VIP lady? The fact remains, if the gentleman has the coin, passes the screening methods, is it not really all the same?? The thread was about undercutting, prices will always be from one pendulum to another, it is always "companionship" sharing skin on skin contact,sharing small talk, and simply being friends for that 100 an hour time, or 200 or 300 plus an hour...it's all just the same RG,and yes there is "something" and "somebody" a lady ....a human being trying to get by. I'm just looking at this from all sides.

I will just clarify my rep comment for PP's post: get yourself tested before you see any sps. You could be a carrier, and if you go to see one of these mythical unicorn's called the 'std free guarantee card holding sp" don't be the guy who transmits something to her because you spent so much time searching for her you couldn't be bothered to check yourself out first. The first guy with an untreated std who walks in to see one of these sps (who provides those bbbjs) is putting her at risk. You can decide if he came to see her an hour before you did, a week, or an hour or a week after you did. You can decide if you were the one leaving her with an std, and gave it to him because you didn't get yourself checked out first. :D

Within reason, what we are selling is clicking and connection. It is next to impossible to put a dollar value on those two things.

I think the question was already answered by the quote "supply and demand" if there is a demand for providers that offer services at a low rate, there will be a supply of ladies or lady offering that demand, is that not correct???

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Massage, no massage. Tub, no tub. Bbbj to? Cob? Cim? Other? Plenty of sp's offer bbbj, but the other stuff could make it tougher.

Not quite on the same realm of absurdness as yours Lee, but close LOL But video is in Aquascope Aqua Barbie Girl RG

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I love this thread. It's very helpful to us newbies to have a clear idea of what to expect and what is expected of us. Thank you.

I have gone on Web cam sites in the past....it can be a bit of fun and an outlet for some sexual energy but for me it has always lacked the personal connection that I need to have. That might not be the case if the Web caming was with someone who I knew or had met. I have never met a SP who also provided Web cam services maybe if I do it might be something I would do more often.

When you've had enough and at your wits end, having a dog come over and put his chin on your lap. Dogs KNOW when you have had a tough day... and they are the best at making you feel better.

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pretty subjective lol one mans (or ladies) diamond anothers lump of coal !!!