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We are independent contractors. Unless you are with an agency or a pimp. Other independent contractors have similar issues with undercutting prices.. Ask anyone who works in a trade. Be it painting houses, paving driveways, building a deck... Even holistic practitioners, massage therapists, hair dressers... I'm quite sure there's no union or industry minimum for those and several other independent contractor jobs. The proposition of an industry standard is the pipe dream.. very unrealistic in my opinion. One of the best parts of my job is that I'm completely my own boss.... I do not want anyone dictating to me that I can't work for my own set price that I decide I am choosing. While I have chosen a minimum time that I will book for a client of 30 min.. I have in the past done 15 min appts. I even have had one regular who after booking his initial time for my min came back to see me several times.. but since he was a minimum wage worker and literally was in and out in one song I didn't have the heart to charge him more than $50.. In a set price model would I have to charge him more now? or do this behind the back of whomever is telling me the price I can charge? THAT right there takes away my freedom to be my own boss. No thanks!

I am actually shocked that this thread has been allowed to stay open so long. It is certainly against the spirit of this board. This isn't a reasoned debate it is akin to a bunch of nosy neighbours peeking their heads over a fence and then gossiping about the state of your neighbours yard, complaining about what they are doing in the privacy of their own yard etc. No one has the right to dictate to any provider what they think their rates should be. That is up to the individual provider. They decide what services they offer and at what rate. Face it, this is a business in what is essentially a free-market economy and subject to all the pressures that every other business faces. Despite what the service is, you are still selling a service. You are the provider and you need customers to buy your service. The market decides if the service you are selling is what the consumer wants, and is value for the money. You can charge $400, minimum 2 hour appointment, CBJ, no greek and be happy with that decision. You believe there is a market for that service. It should not matter to you that another provider is doing BBBJ in 15 minute sessions for $80. They feel they too have a market for that service. If either of them don't have clients for their service then maybe they have to look at their business model and adjust. That is how business works in our society. We have had these debates before about rates, BBBJ vs CBJ, sliding rate scales based on service etc. This is not the place for it. It is just collusion in disguise. Setting up a "hooker marketing board" like we do with milk, and eggs etc is not an option, and is a pretty absurd idea. I will say it once again, Nobody has the right to dictate what another can charge for their service. Mind your own business and stop blaming others for your lack of knowledge on the current business climate. If people don't value your service the same way you do, then maybe you should look at alternate types of employment, and not try and stifle your competition.

I Don't Want Your Pity: Sex Work and Labor Politics By Belle Knox http://www.huffingtonpost.com/belle-knox/sex-work-politics_b_5148528.html

Cat, you said: And then went on to say that the advocates speak from a level of priviledge and don't understand the hardships faced by those with less priviledge. However, with the minimum pricing you are suggesting, that in its very self doesn't take into consideration the less priviledged workers you claim to understand. Do you really think it fair to dictate a minimum price that *ALL* providers must adhere to? The street-based workers, the workers who would be excluded from working for a third-party due to past legal problems or addiction/mental health issues or immigrant status, the workers who only wish to work part-time, the workers who are on the "edge" of society's idea of what constitutes the norm for gender expression or body type or sexuality, the workers who want to "only" provide X and Y services, but not Z services? You are not advocating protection for those workers. You're advocating a tiered system that would only feed into the stigmatization and marginalization faced by workers. And yes, I do believe we should be advocating from the position of and consideration for the less priviledged because historically they have been the ones to bear the majority of the criminalization, stigmatization, and marginalization compared to other sectors within the sex trade. Additional Comments: Alright, I can make comparisons all night: If Sally wants to start babysitting and offers her services for $5/hr, and Jimmy, Sue, and Polly all have been babysitting for a number of years, is it then fair for the three of them to dictate Sally's prices? What if Sally has no experience, but the other three do? What if Sally comes from a single-family home and understands that not all families come from the same socio-economic backgrounds as the other three children? Your experience is different from mine. That doesn't make it any more or less valid, and doesn't mean you are a fountain of wisdom that trumps mine every time. We are coming at this from different angles, the only difference is that you are only considering the indoor workers, and yes, that would be *more* priviledged workers. Including other providers, who do so out of motivation for their own interests. Saying that we need to protect these poor, disadvantaged women who don't know what they are getting into is really invalidating and infantilizing. Provide guidance should people wish to access those support services, but don't presume to know what is best for everyone or what everyone "should" do. By dictating a mandatory minimum, which, let's face it, would come from the position of an indoor worker, you would be sentencing those who cannot command those prices to work illegally, unsafely, and in the darkness. That is not protecting those providers.

I think a more important question is: how would the mandatory minimum be enforced? It's a scary thought. I do echo Kathryn's concerns, as well.

So, yes. Some folks are stretching their finances by seeing SPs. They may not be able to afford any more than the rate the lady they're seeing charges. Fair enough. I'm not going to judge anybody on the basis of their financial situation. However... although we might talk about money here on the board, we put a lot of effort into not doing so when we meet. Ladies don't like having to ask for the envelope. We guys don't like it much if she counts the money in front of us. We may vary in how much we dislike those things, but I don't think very many people think of them positively. Talking or thinking about the money ruins the fantasy that we work so hard to maintain. But then... you ask for change. This tells me two things: first, that you're too lazy to get hold of the right amount in advance; second, that you care little enough about a provider's feelings that you're prepared to put her through the awkwardness of dealing with it. Really, it's not hard to have the right money. No matter what the ATM spits out, is it really so difficult to make sure you have 10s and 20s in your wallet so you can make the envelope up to the right amount? All you have to do is... not spend them for a couple of days beforehand. And as for asking for change... so you not understand that we're dealing with a fantasy here, and that doing so destroys it? Do you not realize that even if you don't care, she might well do? Can you not work this out, or do you simply not care how she feels? As I said, I won't judge you based on your financial situation... but I have no problem with judging you for other things: firstly for your laziness, and secondly for either your selfishness or your stupidity, whichever applies.

I say...we are all the same height laying down LOL...heheh...

I wouldn't change a thing. Honesty, i could nit pick over little stupid cosmetic things, but the truth is I love everything about me. I am a woman - a real woman. Not a Barbie doll. If someone doesn't like what they see, they can look elsewhere. I look in the mirror and see a beautiful woman everyday.

I've been reading this thread closely and, while the discussion has been frank, sometimes blunt, and there are strong and conflicting opinions, it's been pretty civil. It's been valuable to me to read these different yet honest views of real, live women who do sex work for a living and each know what they're talking about. Although I can see how this might make some people (especially consumers) uncomfortable, I disagree that the discussion is un-CERB-y. A thread whose premise was "Sally X is charging way too little! Let's confront her!" would be bad. A general thread about "hey, how are prices set? How should they be set?" strikes me as smack-bang on topic for the board -- provided it's civil. I think as long as there are informed and respectful viewpoints to share, those inclined to contribute something meaningful should be allowed to do so. For my part: I don't know anything about the experience of being a sex worker so I only have vague concepts to go on. My uninformed feeling is that "enforcement" of prices is bad in principle for a bunch of reasons. But... what about a hypothetical voluntary sex workers' association that reaches out to SPs, invites them to work with their fellow providers, and keeps newbies informed about their options in the business? One that just invites everyone to cooperate to help maximize revenue from a very human and intimate service? I'd be cool with that. It would have problems and failings of its own, but it would have a lot of human merit, too. Open, free markets are sometimes efficient... but they're never, ever wise or compassionate, and some of that is necessary too.

when I'm on my knees;) they are all taller. I hope you don't mind me responding:) I love height, I come from a tall family and I am considered short by their standards. Perhaps that's why I'm so comfortable in heels. I have met some very sexy men that are on the shorter side, so long as he has confidence then I'll find him attractive no matter his elevation:)

like i said the other thread, taller for me...to see a lady eye to eye when i walk in the room is a real turn on...and my preference is towards taller women, just something about sexy long legs and the stature. Now i don't mind shorter women, and would never judge someone for being shorter. but to me anyways, tall is sexy...

Christy I think I agree with everything you have said except your comments about price being the dominant factor... i would agree that price is asked ... lol all of us have to know if we can afford the service but once I know it is not outside my price range I really don't shop around based on cost. most of the ladies I have seen I have seen repeatedly and it has not really crossed my mind to look for something cheaper. Just my opinion

I'm 5'2", so most men are much taller then me. There are occasions that my man is shorter then me when I'm wearing my heals, and its interesting cause it rarely happens - I do like it cause it gives me an idea of what its like to be taller then someone else. I like both taller then me, shorter then me and the same height. Its whats in the middle that counts (hehe) and where it lands on my body when we are embracing each other. However, once on the bed, height doesn't matter.

But yet you seem to feel you have the right to dictate what can be said here:) I'm curious who is it that you are referring to as having lack of knowledge on the current business model? With all due respect :)as a gentleman and one who if I am to assume correctly, has no ties to this business other than hiring or speaking to providers, how can you speak to what is best for us or to what our business model is, what we should charge, how and why?:) I am a provider who could care less about what others charge as I am one who does not need this to support myself or anyone else, so for me there is no competition, I can survive with 1 or 100 or no clients. But I do find the idea of a having a minimum price set a great idea and one that would benefit everyone. I would think all the gents chiming in would be the only ones who could possibly have anything to loose if one was set, after all variations in rates benefit you the client not the providers. But that's my skewed view;) I can speak to this as I have been in other service fields as an owner and a worker and even though there were variables in rates the differences were never more than 5-20$ so a minimum must have been set with possibly exceptions for seasonal sales or promotions. As providers we all should want one another to prosper and not be taken advantage of by anyone, misinformed or undervalued. To protect one another and if we are concerned and coming together concerning the changes in the laws why not do the same for our rates. After all how is making more or not going below a certain rate a bad thing for any provider? My last comment would be to those who think that a client is dedicated enough to stick with a girl no matter her rate-seriously? A client is a client and those who have their favorites and stick to one are the few and far between, the exceptions rather than the rule. Most men shop around and rates are a motivation for most not a girls looks, attitude, or services. If that weren't the case then why in all the years that I've been in and out of this business in all its facets has the first and foremost question asked by a client calling is "so what are your rates" lol! In the end probably nothing will change but planting a seed/a thought perhaps may cause some to think and sometimes with thought comes change. Cat said it best though, as usual:)

First let me thank you for the personal attack... i do in fact pay attention to many issues... i do agree that Mr. Harper has stayed clear of the abortion issue even though he personally does not agree with abortion... but that's not really that surprising there is no political upside to opening the abortion debate as he would be severely impacted in the next election as abortion is a topic that Canadians especially women would consider when voting. Suggesting that a bill that would make sex work illegal is similar is kinda like comparing Apples and Oranges... Mr Harper is astute enough to understand that while most Canadians are not in favor of making sex work illegal they also will not see this issue as something that drives them when they go to the polls. If as many suggest Mr. Harper goes with a Canadian version of the Nordic model which makes prostitution legal but the purchasing of Sex illegal then it would have a significant impact on me a purchaser of the service. So I can sit and trust that the Government will do what is right or I can express my opinion and try to influence the outcome. As for my choice in who I read and listen to let me just say that I am not a resident of Ontario and therefore seldom if ever read the Toronto Star... as for CBC radio... and Mr. Fife... they would not be part of my daily routine. I am looking forward to reading the actual legislation but refuse to sit back with rose colored glasses thinking that Mr. Harper will do the right thing. Just my opinion.

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There is a difference between having a voice, and dictating decisions without realizing how they may affect people differently. What if all the higher-priced providers got together and decided the industry minimum should be $1000/hr? So, again, who gets to decide what the minimum would be, and who would it affect?

I've been at this almost 25 years.. I started as a student and was charging $125 1/2 hr, $230/hr.. When I moved to Ottawa I matched what most ladies were charging $150 1/2 hr and $250/hr.. BUT when I was arrested in the mid 90's I went underground mostly.. and worked out of another ladies incall who's father was a judge! so I felt safe that he'd protect me same as her if it came down to it.. whether he would have or not.. I felt okay. She was only charging $80 for half hr.. so I matched it for the short few weeks I was there.. I thought I would be run off my feet!!! Nope.. same amount of clients.. including a few who found me under a different name (keeping in mind this was only paper ads and no pics) solely by my stats.. some guys have a type! I was also doing this in a completely diff part of the city in Toronto. I learned a very good lesson.. I may mostly get different clients at a different price point... BUT I got the same number of clients pretty much at basically 30% lower rate. Of course that isn't true to any infinite rate value.. Having said that...Lower rates generally will get you more volume and higher rates less volume. Rates over $250 now esp over $350 will bring you much less business simply because there is a smaller piece of the pie now to go around (less clientelle to escort ratio). You don't know the circumstances of anyone out there.. whether they have had a great deal of debt come upon them quickly and need to get their head above water? or do they have a comfortable 2nd income that makes escorting a part time venture. There are so many factors to consider.. and it's not an easy one.

You can't look at this business as a by-the-hour salary. We don't work eight hours a day, five days a week. The time and money that goes into replying to message boards, replying to emails, posting ads, taking phone calls, self-care/hygiene, photo shoots, the cost of maintaining an incall or transportation to outcalls, website upkeep, travel costs for touring etc. eats into that "per hour" figure as well. This business also ebbs and flows, and there are downtimes that balance out busy periods. We don't have sick time or vacation pay. Yes, this can be a very touchy subject, especially when there are assumptions made. Additional Comments: 1. They're not "selling themselves". We sell a service, not our bodies. Let's not use the same language abolitionist groups use when creating moral panic and conflating human trafficking with sex work. 2. "Too cheap" -- according to whom? There are many reasons why someone chooses to set their rates at what they are, and quite honestly, it's not up to us to judge. There is no regulatory board that oversees our industry. To some people, my rates can be "too high" or "too low". To that, I say that is none of your business. It's MY business. My rates have increased since I started in this business, as I figured out what my expenses were and how often I wanted to work. They are at a price-point which allows me to see the clients I want to see while maintaining a modest lifestyle and going to school. It has afforded me some opportunities I wouldn't ordinarily have, like buying my first car, but at the same time, I don't feel I am living an extravagant lifestyle (it was a great deal on a used car). There is always going to be someone with lower rates or higher rates than you. That is how this business, and all businesses work. Stop looking at other providers and comparing yourself to them; concentrate on your own self. It's not a matter of "s/he's stealing clients from me", IMHO, but rather "what am *I* doing to attract and retain clients?" 3. Let's not make assumptions about what a "lower" price-point implies, especially when it's making potentially stigmatizing and dangerous statements about having a pimp or drug addiction. We don't know their situation. I'm honestly quite surprised that this thread is still going on, just as I was surprised to see in another thread a provider pose the question of someone she had never met being underage. Statements like the ones in this thread have the possibility of impacting someone else's business and well-being, and not in a good way.

You should add your experience to Leigh's recommendation thread as I am sure she would appreciate it: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=78805

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It boils down to one simple principle. I, and many others believe that a provider should be able to set their own price, and when they do then they should not be bullied or pressured by others to change that price. You do not believe that. You believe that others should decide what a provider charges. I am sorry but even from the provider's comments on this thread, there is a huge difference in opinion on that amongst that community. Who is going to set these prices? Is there going to have to be a "hookers union" or professional association? Will it vary from province to province? Will we allow happy hour pricing? Are you really proposing that we set a mimimum wage for prostitution? Given the many varieties and types of sex work how would that work? A certain price for MA's because they only give manual release? X Dollars for Oral, Y Dollars for Greek etc etc? No extras in the Champagne room, because as Chris Rock says, There is no sex in the champagne room? Sorry for getting a bit absurd here, but the whole idea to me is ludicrous, not to say also a little totalitarian.

QUOTE=canuckhooker;589392]First off this thread should have been closed because it started with an SP complaining about another provider's rates. That is a taboo subject on this board. It has carried on with several others jumping on the bandwagon bitching, making some unfounded generalizations about other providers, and clients. 2nd off:) I think Mod is the only one who gets to decide what can and cannot be said, what threads will remain open and closed. 3rd off thank you for being so civil and friendly;) Secondly, as a gentleman I should have no opinion? At the very root, I believe I am part of the industry and can have an opinion, for without clients there is no industry. But to answer your question, not that it is any of your business, I am employed peripherally in a segment of the industry we discuss on this board. And no I am not a pimp, nor directly manage providers in their provision of service. If you are a gentleman, I don't know you after all:) you most certainly can have an opinion. I believe I stated in my response that all opinions should be accepted and appreciated in all discussions .But whether or not anyone is going to take a non-providers opinion seriously in this discussion is another matter:) If you are involved in the business perhaps your opinion will warrant more credence and you are right what you do for a living isn't my business and I didn't ask you. I made a statement and you responded to it as if I was asking you a question;) But I thank you for your candor;)Perhaps I should ask you how to better provide services since you are so informed:) Finally, I didn't dictate to anyone. I stated my clear opinion that nobody has the right to dictate to any other provider what service they should provide, and what rate they should charge. If telling someone not to dictate is me dictating, then so be it. The op stated her clear opinion, as has everyone, but in a friendly way.The whole tone of your post was condescending, bitter, preachy and yes you were dictating. It most certainly wasn't friendly which is supposed to be the tone of this board. We should be able to complain, perhaps in private. But this became a discussion and one worth while imo and in others obviously. On who I am referring to about knowledge of the business model, I am referring to nobody in particular and everyone in general. If any one opens a business, offers a product and sets prices for that product (or service) and gets no customers, then maybe they have to look at their business model and adjust. That is common sense. Perhaps I've misunderstood this whole thread but from what I've read no one is wanting fixed prices but a price which we shouldn't go below, I think that is a difference. This would still allow anyone to set their own prices. Isn't that like any business you have a variety of employees and levels from minimum wage to management wages and above. As for the rest I am against, collusion, peer-pressure, name-calling, blackmailing and any other way that someone tries to fix prices, by dictating to others. Or, people who use that means to try and eliminate the competition. To suggest that it happens in other industries is just wrong. It is the market that lets businesses know what price they can sell at. Ahh I think we are all against name calling, black mailing. etc. and it isn't just the market that allows business to set prices, they set their prices based on many factors, costs involved in product purchase, staff wages, rent, etc, etc. It is also wrong to tell anyone what they can and can't do. Why is it always a man that says the word competition. I have never looked at or thought of another woman in this business as competition and I'm sure I'm not the only one. We are all equals offering similar services and we share many of the same clients, imo that makes us comrades not competitors.. I am about helping, not competing and again I'm sure so are many other ladies. I hate when someone portrays us as all trying to one up each other. Fixing prices is actually illegal in this country, and businesses who collude to do that could find themselves in legal hot water. Again, I don't think wanting a minimum set price is fixing prices. If we all decided that none of us should go below 150 an hour lets say, then many could supply services at 150/200/225/350 and so on. That is only a benefit to all providers, still a lot of variety and nothing fixed:) How is that different than having a minimum wage? Here is what the Government competition bureaus says on the subject.: Thanks for that but I had already read up on it and collusion before I posted the first time:) Happy Easter:) The provisions 45, 46 and 48 of the Competition Act prohibit agreements between two or more persons to prevent or unduly lessen competition or to unreasonably enhance the price of a product. Agreements between competitors to fix prices, to allocate customers or geographic markets, or to restrict production of a product by setting quotas among competitors or other means are considered to be "hard-core" cartel activities, with no socially redeeming features. Anti-competitive agreements harm both consumers and businesses, and enforcing the conspiracy provisions is an important priority for the Bureau.

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I have to agree with you. In saying that I still don't expect change. A thank you would be nice.

Ottawa's economy is unique compared to other Canadian cities. It's propped up by the fed gov and the pairing back of . 13,000 individual salaries has a huge effect on the local economy. The tech market for jobs has never recovered from a decade ago. Hence the market is really in flux. Ottawa will never hit a Detroit type of low but people have less money to spend. This is having a big impact on the service sector and that's why this thread exists.

I'm tall myself, over 6ft and personally i find a tall woman very sexy. The taller the better. But for some reason lots of guys don't want a woman taller than them, but for me i don't care... I almost prefer it :)

Bring it. :)

Well actually Job # 1 for God was Adam and Eve and a fig leaf. The fig leaf fell off and they fucked. It's kinda contagious and fun. Accountants and lawyers came later after marriages and divorces and $$$ opportunities. ;) SEX has been kicking around from day 1. Would be wonderful to regulate prices and most importantly to protect the ladies in this industry.....yet be fair to the gentlemen. Not even a remote possibility at this given time to regulate. Nobody to actually do that job. Some day :) Not just quite yet.

I think there needs to be a dose of reality injected here against the ideological rhetoric. I appreciate the need to protect those who can't protect themselves as we all know who they are. It doesn't change the fact that the rest of the industry needs to be organized and championed as well. Providers that do not have a voice need to heard including ones that don't practice their trade on a street corner or for $300+/hr... cat

Peter's heads aren't in the game these days .....

I agree it is improbably but not impossible. I think a rate that varied region to region to accommodate area pricing set by local providers would be a good start... I don't see why any of these providers couldn't chose to adopt the mandatory minimums. It would be in their best interests to do so. Gender type, body type and sexuality is irrelevant to this discussion because we are ALL SEX WORKERS. There needs to be unity amongst all. I apologize but my loyalties don't lie with the street workers. I don't feel their situation will can be fixed, only made safer. Their issues run far deeper than the injustice of sex work. It seems only the bottom of already established tiered system barrel is worthy of a voice. Who speaks for the rest of us? I support POWER and all that they do but they are not my voice and they don't adequately represent me in this industry. I have always said street workers are our equivalent of societies homeless. They need representation without a doubt but what about the workers in between the privileged and the street workers? For those of us who are not "the workers who would be excluded from working for a third-party due to past legal problems or addiction/mental health issues or immigrant status, the workers who only wish to work part-time, the workers who are on the "edge" of society's idea of what constitutes the norm for gender expression or body type or sexuality, the workers who want to "only" provide X and Y services, but not Z services" are they suppose to roll over and take it up the ass while our industry is gutted from the inside out without even raising an eyebrow? This is their sole means of support and while they don't fall into the "so much less fortunate than others", they deserve to be protected. It's not a difficult thing to wrap one's brain around. Minimum pay for work provided. I'm advocating a tiered system? As opposed to what we already have? If you don't see the tiers that are already here, this discussion is moot. Anything that we as an industry does that indicates there is any common business sense will be welcomed with open arms here in Canada. Organizing and presenting a unified front that takes responsibility for itself will do far more to lessen the stigmatization and marginalization for the majority of the sex workers than parading around protesting ever will... cat

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I was in this afternoon and had some dances with a few women: Candy - a black dancer with glasses, nice rack, very sensual Vixen - Blonde frizzy hair, slim, sexy and sensual Angela - Brunette, long black hair, french, in her 20's. Beautiful face and eyes. Very nice slim body. Very Sensual. My favourite of the group. There was a blonde dancer I was talking to, I think she has been dancing there a while. Nice fake tits, slim body, some plastic surgery on her lips I think. She said she lives in Toronto now but comes back to town from time to time. Really nice body, but didn't get a dance with her.

I will also recommend Loraine, who had an established clientbase of her own prior to joining here.

At the end of the day, if a client doesn't like a lady's preferred method of communication, or response times, they should simply move on. There are lots of providers, and lots of different business models. If a lady has a particular model, and it works for her, well that really is the end of it. I assume if it wasn't working for her, she would change it. Porthos

It would seem to me for the Harper administration to enact rules making prosititution illegal would be a slap in the for the decision made by the supreme court, if the constitutionality of those rules were challenged and it went back to the supreme court I wonder what would happen.Harper and company could have a little egg on the face

I agree with Ann Gallerie on this, PayPal utilizes user fees plus a transaction fee, therefore 1) a reason I don't use it, and 2) PayPal won't let anyone use their services if it is adult based (such as this). I took the time to set up an actual merchant account, and I have a 'register terminal' directly on my phone, just like restaurants that have mobile transaction machines. I can swipe your card directly on my phone, and you sign directly on my phone screen. I do prefer to use this method for booking to take deposits, but I can also take debit cards, and there is always the trusted interac services which are highly popular. Having a gentleman utilize this booking method ensures his time is committed to by me, and that he is dedicated to actually showing up. We all know there are some unscrupulous ones out there that love to 'book' and don't show. I find this a great way to offer more choice to gentlemen, yes there is a paper trail, just like any other transactions, but there are ways to remedy this. My transactions are set up with sku codes and detailed information that makes sense if an SO happens to check the CC bills. If a gentleman is unsure if he wants to use a CC, I offer debit, interac transfer, but there is always the great standby of cash. I do pay a small fee for having this convenience, but to me it's worth it. I also pay taxes on all the income, but I do get advantages from that also. The choice is always up to the gentleman, but having the ability to give a choice of method of payment to him is awesome.

I'm curious, why are you taking things this personally. If it is, as you say, business is business, why do you then turn around and talk about thoughts and feelings. If you send an email, get no response, well move on. I could somewhat understand if you develop a connection with a lady that you have seen, and continue to see, and then she wishes to no longer see you, talking about thoughts and feelings. But to contact a SP for an encounter and she doesn't reply, just move on. Honestly, bringing feelings for someone you haven't met strikes me as somewhat strange. Unless there is something more to your post you haven't shared. And if you are getting a steady pattern of no responses to your emails, maybe look at the emails you send. Is there something in the way you write that might concern the lady enough that she might just prefer not to see you, and not reply to your email RG

That's not true in all cases. I've experienced fine dining, going to well known museums & the theater over the years & have a appreciation for them. Just because I don't have a lot of disposable income anymore does'n mean I wouldn't appreciate these fine ladies if I had the chance.

I been on this board for many years and this is a subject that seems to pop up this time of year when business tends to be a little slower. I do recall a few years ago mod mentioned he did not want to see "street prices" on the board. I am sure if someone was advertising 100 an hr prices on CERB and he was made aware of it he would probably look into it. However this is something the OP would have to do as I haven't seen ads here at 100 hr. I saw one lately at 60 for 15 mins and that was BJ only. That's the lowest rate I seen on CERB for a long time. Responses on this thread have been great and I don't want to repeat what has been said. Just like to emphasized, we all have a budget we must respect however when seeing a lady, rate isn't the main consideration in most cases. Some choose to be Baskin Robin clients and want to see different girls each time they play. Their choice and surely they see ladies in different price range. Others prefer seeing a lady on a regular basis and that will be driven by connection and personal factors not by which lady is the cheapest. Finally there are those who don't care, excuse the expression but that say: "a hole is a hole", who will always bargain for a cheaper deal and will see the lady who offers the lowest price. Nothing anyone can do or say will change them. Just remember there are many of us who aren't like that!!!

I can only speak for myself. When I see a lady it is because there is something about her that interests me, that something, a connection, clicking if you will (and yes her looks too ;-) ) are what matter. If I am lucky to meet a companion that I like, even more lucky if I like that companion enough to continue to see her, and most of all fortunate enough that that companion will agree to see me, guess what, I'm not even looking at some lady offering her companionship at reduced rates From my perspective, sorry to phrase it this way considering the nature of this lifestyle, but this isn't about the most bang for your buck. For me it is about meeting and developing special connections with ladies who offer companionship. Companionship being much more than just a sex. And when those connections are made, a new less expensive companion isn't going to even draw my attention. In short, the dollar rate isn't what decides for me who to see, it is the lady herself that decides for me if I'll see her. In short a lower dollar rate won't undercut my client loyalty nor will it affect my choice in companion to see Hope that makes sense A rambling RG

I think it's up to everyone to set their own rates. It's a personal decision, and one based on a lot of factors that we might not necessarily know about. "Do 'they' even know the cost of living in Canada?" I'm assuming you're talking about recent immigrants of migrant laborers? I'm sure they do know the cost of living here, but need to make a certain amount of money to make ends meet. I have no idea, we aren't walking in their shoes after all... Ultimately we can't judge. We don't know anything about their lives or what determined their rates, etc. I don't think it has anything to do with self-respect or fairplay either... it's just people trying to make a living in ways they see fit. These things have a tendency of working themselves out. I'm really sorry it's making life difficult for you, Eve. I think that the really good clients, clients who are respectful and kind, will continue to see the ladies they want, regardless of the cost. I don't think it will drive your prices down at all. People are always transitioning in and out of the industry... Those that stick around (like you) and have good reputations (like you) will be successful in the long run. We need to hold our judgment and be in solidarity with one another. It's a tough industry! Just my two cents, Nat xox

Miss Mandy has left SJ, but the other two ladies are great as well. Don't be shy, I have seen both of them several times, and you won't regret meeting with them. Have Fun

I wouldn't change a thing. I am happy with who I am...and if others don't like what they see...then don't look.

I thought that adding Inches was only a Guy Thing.... so now you are telling me there is a risk that an SP might lie and I will end up at a session a couple of inches short of a magical encounter lol