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We are independent contractors. Unless you are with an agency or a pimp. Other independent contractors have similar issues with undercutting prices.. Ask anyone who works in a trade. Be it painting houses, paving driveways, building a deck... Even holistic practitioners, massage therapists, hair dressers... I'm quite sure there's no union or industry minimum for those and several other independent contractor jobs. The proposition of an industry standard is the pipe dream.. very unrealistic in my opinion. One of the best parts of my job is that I'm completely my own boss.... I do not want anyone dictating to me that I can't work for my own set price that I decide I am choosing. While I have chosen a minimum time that I will book for a client of 30 min.. I have in the past done 15 min appts. I even have had one regular who after booking his initial time for my min came back to see me several times.. but since he was a minimum wage worker and literally was in and out in one song I didn't have the heart to charge him more than $50.. In a set price model would I have to charge him more now? or do this behind the back of whomever is telling me the price I can charge? THAT right there takes away my freedom to be my own boss. No thanks!

I am actually shocked that this thread has been allowed to stay open so long. It is certainly against the spirit of this board. This isn't a reasoned debate it is akin to a bunch of nosy neighbours peeking their heads over a fence and then gossiping about the state of your neighbours yard, complaining about what they are doing in the privacy of their own yard etc. No one has the right to dictate to any provider what they think their rates should be. That is up to the individual provider. They decide what services they offer and at what rate. Face it, this is a business in what is essentially a free-market economy and subject to all the pressures that every other business faces. Despite what the service is, you are still selling a service. You are the provider and you need customers to buy your service. The market decides if the service you are selling is what the consumer wants, and is value for the money. You can charge $400, minimum 2 hour appointment, CBJ, no greek and be happy with that decision. You believe there is a market for that service. It should not matter to you that another provider is doing BBBJ in 15 minute sessions for $80. They feel they too have a market for that service. If either of them don't have clients for their service then maybe they have to look at their business model and adjust. That is how business works in our society. We have had these debates before about rates, BBBJ vs CBJ, sliding rate scales based on service etc. This is not the place for it. It is just collusion in disguise. Setting up a "hooker marketing board" like we do with milk, and eggs etc is not an option, and is a pretty absurd idea. I will say it once again, Nobody has the right to dictate what another can charge for their service. Mind your own business and stop blaming others for your lack of knowledge on the current business climate. If people don't value your service the same way you do, then maybe you should look at alternate types of employment, and not try and stifle your competition.

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Cat, you said: And then went on to say that the advocates speak from a level of priviledge and don't understand the hardships faced by those with less priviledge. However, with the minimum pricing you are suggesting, that in its very self doesn't take into consideration the less priviledged workers you claim to understand. Do you really think it fair to dictate a minimum price that *ALL* providers must adhere to? The street-based workers, the workers who would be excluded from working for a third-party due to past legal problems or addiction/mental health issues or immigrant status, the workers who only wish to work part-time, the workers who are on the "edge" of society's idea of what constitutes the norm for gender expression or body type or sexuality, the workers who want to "only" provide X and Y services, but not Z services? You are not advocating protection for those workers. You're advocating a tiered system that would only feed into the stigmatization and marginalization faced by workers. And yes, I do believe we should be advocating from the position of and consideration for the less priviledged because historically they have been the ones to bear the majority of the criminalization, stigmatization, and marginalization compared to other sectors within the sex trade. Additional Comments: Alright, I can make comparisons all night: If Sally wants to start babysitting and offers her services for $5/hr, and Jimmy, Sue, and Polly all have been babysitting for a number of years, is it then fair for the three of them to dictate Sally's prices? What if Sally has no experience, but the other three do? What if Sally comes from a single-family home and understands that not all families come from the same socio-economic backgrounds as the other three children? Your experience is different from mine. That doesn't make it any more or less valid, and doesn't mean you are a fountain of wisdom that trumps mine every time. We are coming at this from different angles, the only difference is that you are only considering the indoor workers, and yes, that would be *more* priviledged workers. Including other providers, who do so out of motivation for their own interests. Saying that we need to protect these poor, disadvantaged women who don't know what they are getting into is really invalidating and infantilizing. Provide guidance should people wish to access those support services, but don't presume to know what is best for everyone or what everyone "should" do. By dictating a mandatory minimum, which, let's face it, would come from the position of an indoor worker, you would be sentencing those who cannot command those prices to work illegally, unsafely, and in the darkness. That is not protecting those providers.

I think a more important question is: how would the mandatory minimum be enforced? It's a scary thought. I do echo Kathryn's concerns, as well.

So, yes. Some folks are stretching their finances by seeing SPs. They may not be able to afford any more than the rate the lady they're seeing charges. Fair enough. I'm not going to judge anybody on the basis of their financial situation. However... although we might talk about money here on the board, we put a lot of effort into not doing so when we meet. Ladies don't like having to ask for the envelope. We guys don't like it much if she counts the money in front of us. We may vary in how much we dislike those things, but I don't think very many people think of them positively. Talking or thinking about the money ruins the fantasy that we work so hard to maintain. But then... you ask for change. This tells me two things: first, that you're too lazy to get hold of the right amount in advance; second, that you care little enough about a provider's feelings that you're prepared to put her through the awkwardness of dealing with it. Really, it's not hard to have the right money. No matter what the ATM spits out, is it really so difficult to make sure you have 10s and 20s in your wallet so you can make the envelope up to the right amount? All you have to do is... not spend them for a couple of days beforehand. And as for asking for change... so you not understand that we're dealing with a fantasy here, and that doing so destroys it? Do you not realize that even if you don't care, she might well do? Can you not work this out, or do you simply not care how she feels? As I said, I won't judge you based on your financial situation... but I have no problem with judging you for other things: firstly for your laziness, and secondly for either your selfishness or your stupidity, whichever applies.

I say...we are all the same height laying down LOL...heheh...

I wouldn't change a thing. Honesty, i could nit pick over little stupid cosmetic things, but the truth is I love everything about me. I am a woman - a real woman. Not a Barbie doll. If someone doesn't like what they see, they can look elsewhere. I look in the mirror and see a beautiful woman everyday.

I've been reading this thread closely and, while the discussion has been frank, sometimes blunt, and there are strong and conflicting opinions, it's been pretty civil. It's been valuable to me to read these different yet honest views of real, live women who do sex work for a living and each know what they're talking about. Although I can see how this might make some people (especially consumers) uncomfortable, I disagree that the discussion is un-CERB-y. A thread whose premise was "Sally X is charging way too little! Let's confront her!" would be bad. A general thread about "hey, how are prices set? How should they be set?" strikes me as smack-bang on topic for the board -- provided it's civil. I think as long as there are informed and respectful viewpoints to share, those inclined to contribute something meaningful should be allowed to do so. For my part: I don't know anything about the experience of being a sex worker so I only have vague concepts to go on. My uninformed feeling is that "enforcement" of prices is bad in principle for a bunch of reasons. But... what about a hypothetical voluntary sex workers' association that reaches out to SPs, invites them to work with their fellow providers, and keeps newbies informed about their options in the business? One that just invites everyone to cooperate to help maximize revenue from a very human and intimate service? I'd be cool with that. It would have problems and failings of its own, but it would have a lot of human merit, too. Open, free markets are sometimes efficient... but they're never, ever wise or compassionate, and some of that is necessary too.

when I'm on my knees;) they are all taller. I hope you don't mind me responding:) I love height, I come from a tall family and I am considered short by their standards. Perhaps that's why I'm so comfortable in heels. I have met some very sexy men that are on the shorter side, so long as he has confidence then I'll find him attractive no matter his elevation:)

like i said the other thread, taller for me...to see a lady eye to eye when i walk in the room is a real turn on...and my preference is towards taller women, just something about sexy long legs and the stature. Now i don't mind shorter women, and would never judge someone for being shorter. but to me anyways, tall is sexy...

Christy I think I agree with everything you have said except your comments about price being the dominant factor... i would agree that price is asked ... lol all of us have to know if we can afford the service but once I know it is not outside my price range I really don't shop around based on cost. most of the ladies I have seen I have seen repeatedly and it has not really crossed my mind to look for something cheaper. Just my opinion

I'm 5'2", so most men are much taller then me. There are occasions that my man is shorter then me when I'm wearing my heals, and its interesting cause it rarely happens - I do like it cause it gives me an idea of what its like to be taller then someone else. I like both taller then me, shorter then me and the same height. Its whats in the middle that counts (hehe) and where it lands on my body when we are embracing each other. However, once on the bed, height doesn't matter.

But yet you seem to feel you have the right to dictate what can be said here:) I'm curious who is it that you are referring to as having lack of knowledge on the current business model? With all due respect :)as a gentleman and one who if I am to assume correctly, has no ties to this business other than hiring or speaking to providers, how can you speak to what is best for us or to what our business model is, what we should charge, how and why?:) I am a provider who could care less about what others charge as I am one who does not need this to support myself or anyone else, so for me there is no competition, I can survive with 1 or 100 or no clients. But I do find the idea of a having a minimum price set a great idea and one that would benefit everyone. I would think all the gents chiming in would be the only ones who could possibly have anything to loose if one was set, after all variations in rates benefit you the client not the providers. But that's my skewed view;) I can speak to this as I have been in other service fields as an owner and a worker and even though there were variables in rates the differences were never more than 5-20$ so a minimum must have been set with possibly exceptions for seasonal sales or promotions. As providers we all should want one another to prosper and not be taken advantage of by anyone, misinformed or undervalued. To protect one another and if we are concerned and coming together concerning the changes in the laws why not do the same for our rates. After all how is making more or not going below a certain rate a bad thing for any provider? My last comment would be to those who think that a client is dedicated enough to stick with a girl no matter her rate-seriously? A client is a client and those who have their favorites and stick to one are the few and far between, the exceptions rather than the rule. Most men shop around and rates are a motivation for most not a girls looks, attitude, or services. If that weren't the case then why in all the years that I've been in and out of this business in all its facets has the first and foremost question asked by a client calling is "so what are your rates" lol! In the end probably nothing will change but planting a seed/a thought perhaps may cause some to think and sometimes with thought comes change. Cat said it best though, as usual:)

First let me thank you for the personal attack... i do in fact pay attention to many issues... i do agree that Mr. Harper has stayed clear of the abortion issue even though he personally does not agree with abortion... but that's not really that surprising there is no political upside to opening the abortion debate as he would be severely impacted in the next election as abortion is a topic that Canadians especially women would consider when voting. Suggesting that a bill that would make sex work illegal is similar is kinda like comparing Apples and Oranges... Mr Harper is astute enough to understand that while most Canadians are not in favor of making sex work illegal they also will not see this issue as something that drives them when they go to the polls. If as many suggest Mr. Harper goes with a Canadian version of the Nordic model which makes prostitution legal but the purchasing of Sex illegal then it would have a significant impact on me a purchaser of the service. So I can sit and trust that the Government will do what is right or I can express my opinion and try to influence the outcome. As for my choice in who I read and listen to let me just say that I am not a resident of Ontario and therefore seldom if ever read the Toronto Star... as for CBC radio... and Mr. Fife... they would not be part of my daily routine. I am looking forward to reading the actual legislation but refuse to sit back with rose colored glasses thinking that Mr. Harper will do the right thing. Just my opinion.

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There is a difference between having a voice, and dictating decisions without realizing how they may affect people differently. What if all the higher-priced providers got together and decided the industry minimum should be $1000/hr? So, again, who gets to decide what the minimum would be, and who would it affect?

I've been at this almost 25 years.. I started as a student and was charging $125 1/2 hr, $230/hr.. When I moved to Ottawa I matched what most ladies were charging $150 1/2 hr and $250/hr.. BUT when I was arrested in the mid 90's I went underground mostly.. and worked out of another ladies incall who's father was a judge! so I felt safe that he'd protect me same as her if it came down to it.. whether he would have or not.. I felt okay. She was only charging $80 for half hr.. so I matched it for the short few weeks I was there.. I thought I would be run off my feet!!! Nope.. same amount of clients.. including a few who found me under a different name (keeping in mind this was only paper ads and no pics) solely by my stats.. some guys have a type! I was also doing this in a completely diff part of the city in Toronto. I learned a very good lesson.. I may mostly get different clients at a different price point... BUT I got the same number of clients pretty much at basically 30% lower rate. Of course that isn't true to any infinite rate value.. Having said that...Lower rates generally will get you more volume and higher rates less volume. Rates over $250 now esp over $350 will bring you much less business simply because there is a smaller piece of the pie now to go around (less clientelle to escort ratio). You don't know the circumstances of anyone out there.. whether they have had a great deal of debt come upon them quickly and need to get their head above water? or do they have a comfortable 2nd income that makes escorting a part time venture. There are so many factors to consider.. and it's not an easy one.

You can't look at this business as a by-the-hour salary. We don't work eight hours a day, five days a week. The time and money that goes into replying to message boards, replying to emails, posting ads, taking phone calls, self-care/hygiene, photo shoots, the cost of maintaining an incall or transportation to outcalls, website upkeep, travel costs for touring etc. eats into that "per hour" figure as well. This business also ebbs and flows, and there are downtimes that balance out busy periods. We don't have sick time or vacation pay. Yes, this can be a very touchy subject, especially when there are assumptions made. Additional Comments: 1. They're not "selling themselves". We sell a service, not our bodies. Let's not use the same language abolitionist groups use when creating moral panic and conflating human trafficking with sex work. 2. "Too cheap" -- according to whom? There are many reasons why someone chooses to set their rates at what they are, and quite honestly, it's not up to us to judge. There is no regulatory board that oversees our industry. To some people, my rates can be "too high" or "too low". To that, I say that is none of your business. It's MY business. My rates have increased since I started in this business, as I figured out what my expenses were and how often I wanted to work. They are at a price-point which allows me to see the clients I want to see while maintaining a modest lifestyle and going to school. It has afforded me some opportunities I wouldn't ordinarily have, like buying my first car, but at the same time, I don't feel I am living an extravagant lifestyle (it was a great deal on a used car). There is always going to be someone with lower rates or higher rates than you. That is how this business, and all businesses work. Stop looking at other providers and comparing yourself to them; concentrate on your own self. It's not a matter of "s/he's stealing clients from me", IMHO, but rather "what am *I* doing to attract and retain clients?" 3. Let's not make assumptions about what a "lower" price-point implies, especially when it's making potentially stigmatizing and dangerous statements about having a pimp or drug addiction. We don't know their situation. I'm honestly quite surprised that this thread is still going on, just as I was surprised to see in another thread a provider pose the question of someone she had never met being underage. Statements like the ones in this thread have the possibility of impacting someone else's business and well-being, and not in a good way.

I know many members here do not use the chat feature. As one of the members who does I have witnessed a few things that IMO shouldn't be happening there and that probably have caused some of the members not using it anymore. Please when you read this keep in mind is not a rant or me trying to tell others what to do is more like a reminder to all of us and giving my point of view as well as suggesting things that may make a difference in the chat room. 1. Start and carry conversation politely. 2. Whisper or use private chat for specific questions, to book, etc. 3. This apply for sp's and hobbysts ... If you do not get what you were looking for from the person you are chatting with the ideal would be to have the courtesy to notify the other instead of just closing the window/leaving chat. 4. Guys I know you like to discuss about some of the ladies but what about trying to keep specific details private and perhaps whisper? Keep in mind whisper sometimes fails, I have been a victim of that a couple of times (ok more than that lol) 5. No arguing or trying to put someone in evidence in open chat or getting other users involved in a particular situation. Again, this is not me trying to list rules, just suggestions to keep chat a cool place to get to know other members :-)

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QUOTE=canuckhooker;589392]First off this thread should have been closed because it started with an SP complaining about another provider's rates. That is a taboo subject on this board. It has carried on with several others jumping on the bandwagon bitching, making some unfounded generalizations about other providers, and clients. 2nd off:) I think Mod is the only one who gets to decide what can and cannot be said, what threads will remain open and closed. 3rd off thank you for being so civil and friendly;) Secondly, as a gentleman I should have no opinion? At the very root, I believe I am part of the industry and can have an opinion, for without clients there is no industry. But to answer your question, not that it is any of your business, I am employed peripherally in a segment of the industry we discuss on this board. And no I am not a pimp, nor directly manage providers in their provision of service. If you are a gentleman, I don't know you after all:) you most certainly can have an opinion. I believe I stated in my response that all opinions should be accepted and appreciated in all discussions .But whether or not anyone is going to take a non-providers opinion seriously in this discussion is another matter:) If you are involved in the business perhaps your opinion will warrant more credence and you are right what you do for a living isn't my business and I didn't ask you. I made a statement and you responded to it as if I was asking you a question;) But I thank you for your candor;)Perhaps I should ask you how to better provide services since you are so informed:) Finally, I didn't dictate to anyone. I stated my clear opinion that nobody has the right to dictate to any other provider what service they should provide, and what rate they should charge. If telling someone not to dictate is me dictating, then so be it. The op stated her clear opinion, as has everyone, but in a friendly way.The whole tone of your post was condescending, bitter, preachy and yes you were dictating. It most certainly wasn't friendly which is supposed to be the tone of this board. We should be able to complain, perhaps in private. But this became a discussion and one worth while imo and in others obviously. On who I am referring to about knowledge of the business model, I am referring to nobody in particular and everyone in general. If any one opens a business, offers a product and sets prices for that product (or service) and gets no customers, then maybe they have to look at their business model and adjust. That is common sense. Perhaps I've misunderstood this whole thread but from what I've read no one is wanting fixed prices but a price which we shouldn't go below, I think that is a difference. This would still allow anyone to set their own prices. Isn't that like any business you have a variety of employees and levels from minimum wage to management wages and above. As for the rest I am against, collusion, peer-pressure, name-calling, blackmailing and any other way that someone tries to fix prices, by dictating to others. Or, people who use that means to try and eliminate the competition. To suggest that it happens in other industries is just wrong. It is the market that lets businesses know what price they can sell at. Ahh I think we are all against name calling, black mailing. etc. and it isn't just the market that allows business to set prices, they set their prices based on many factors, costs involved in product purchase, staff wages, rent, etc, etc. It is also wrong to tell anyone what they can and can't do. Why is it always a man that says the word competition. I have never looked at or thought of another woman in this business as competition and I'm sure I'm not the only one. We are all equals offering similar services and we share many of the same clients, imo that makes us comrades not competitors.. I am about helping, not competing and again I'm sure so are many other ladies. I hate when someone portrays us as all trying to one up each other. Fixing prices is actually illegal in this country, and businesses who collude to do that could find themselves in legal hot water. Again, I don't think wanting a minimum set price is fixing prices. If we all decided that none of us should go below 150 an hour lets say, then many could supply services at 150/200/225/350 and so on. That is only a benefit to all providers, still a lot of variety and nothing fixed:) How is that different than having a minimum wage? Here is what the Government competition bureaus says on the subject.: Thanks for that but I had already read up on it and collusion before I posted the first time:) Happy Easter:) The provisions 45, 46 and 48 of the Competition Act prohibit agreements between two or more persons to prevent or unduly lessen competition or to unreasonably enhance the price of a product. Agreements between competitors to fix prices, to allocate customers or geographic markets, or to restrict production of a product by setting quotas among competitors or other means are considered to be "hard-core" cartel activities, with no socially redeeming features. Anti-competitive agreements harm both consumers and businesses, and enforcing the conspiracy provisions is an important priority for the Bureau.

Yes taller and yes shorter and yea in between. In bed, when she's between my legs or riding junior, I can't tell the difference.

First off this thread should have been closed because it started with an SP complaining about another provider's rates. That is a taboo subject on this board. It has carried on with several others jumping on the bandwagon bitching, making some unfounded generalizations about other providers, and clients. Secondly, as a gentleman I should have no opinion? At the very root, I believe I am part of the industry and can have an opinion, for without clients there is no industry. But to answer your question, not that it is any of your business, I am employed peripherally in a segment of the industry we discuss on this board. And no I am not a pimp, nor directly manage providers in their provision of service. Finally, I didn't dictate to anyone. I stated my clear opinion that nobody has the right to dictate to any other provider what service they should provide, and what rate they should charge. If telling someone not to dictate is me dictating, then so be it. On who I am referring to about knowledge of the business model, I am referring to nobody in particular and everyone in general. If any one opens a business, offers a product and sets prices for that product (or service) and gets no customers, then maybe they have to look at their business model and adjust. That is common sense. As for the rest I am against, collusion, peer-pressure, name-calling, blackmailing and any other way that someone tries to fix prices, by dictating to others. Or, people who use that means to try and eliminate the competition. To suggest that it happens in other industries is just wrong. It is the market that lets businesses know what price they can sell at. Fixing prices is actually illegal in this country, and businesses who collude to do that could find themselves in legal hot water. Here is what the Government competition bureaus says on the subject.: The provisions 45, 46 and 48 of the Competition Act prohibit agreements between two or more persons to prevent or unduly lessen competition or to unreasonably enhance the price of a product. Agreements between competitors to fix prices, to allocate customers or geographic markets, or to restrict production of a product by setting quotas among competitors or other means are considered to be "hard-core" cartel activities, with no socially redeeming features. Anti-competitive agreements harm both consumers and businesses, and enforcing the conspiracy provisions is an important priority for the Bureau.

I too am surprised that the momentum from this thread has not died down. The bottom line is that like Carrie says, she likes the freedom to work when she pleases, to charge as she pleases and to make a business decision, hers and hers alone. That is why people in all walks of life, where they are able, chose to go into business for themselves. In terms of pricing and undercutting the market, this discussion/forum should in my opinion be a private conversation between SPs only. At the end of the day, reputation, reviews and level of service will determine the amount of business an SP will do.

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I have to agree with you. In saying that I still don't expect change. A thank you would be nice.

Preference - no not at all. Nothing like exploring a woman's body from head to toes regardless of her height ;) however I'd like to mention nothing like a tall woman bent over in the shower, and you're marvelling her gorgeous long legs and sexy ass. :)

Well I'm 6'1", and I personally do not care if the lady is the same height, taller or shorter. I've met ladies from 5'1" to almost 6' tall. It really is the person inside that counts. My preference is a lady I can click/connect with. Whether she is shorter, my height or taller doesn't matter. The ladies accept me with my physical shortcomings, who am I to judge their beauty...yes beauty A rambling again :-) RG

2nd place again.. sucks.. and what sucks the most is I feel that I didn't get a fair chance...

Again, let's have a dose of reality here Kathryn. This is the same style of mongering that the media resorts to isn't it? It would be easy to have various minimums depending on the providers circumstances and if we are genuinely organized; it could easily be voluntary with the majority compliant. I see this as a tool, not an imposition... cat

And that is exactly the problem. A mandatory minimum is not a choice. Nor is it accessible for everyone.

I agree it is improbably but not impossible. I think a rate that varied region to region to accommodate area pricing set by local providers would be a good start... I don't see why any of these providers couldn't chose to adopt the mandatory minimums. It would be in their best interests to do so. Gender type, body type and sexuality is irrelevant to this discussion because we are ALL SEX WORKERS. There needs to be unity amongst all. I apologize but my loyalties don't lie with the street workers. I don't feel their situation will can be fixed, only made safer. Their issues run far deeper than the injustice of sex work. It seems only the bottom of already established tiered system barrel is worthy of a voice. Who speaks for the rest of us? I support POWER and all that they do but they are not my voice and they don't adequately represent me in this industry. I have always said street workers are our equivalent of societies homeless. They need representation without a doubt but what about the workers in between the privileged and the street workers? For those of us who are not "the workers who would be excluded from working for a third-party due to past legal problems or addiction/mental health issues or immigrant status, the workers who only wish to work part-time, the workers who are on the "edge" of society's idea of what constitutes the norm for gender expression or body type or sexuality, the workers who want to "only" provide X and Y services, but not Z services" are they suppose to roll over and take it up the ass while our industry is gutted from the inside out without even raising an eyebrow? This is their sole means of support and while they don't fall into the "so much less fortunate than others", they deserve to be protected. It's not a difficult thing to wrap one's brain around. Minimum pay for work provided. I'm advocating a tiered system? As opposed to what we already have? If you don't see the tiers that are already here, this discussion is moot. Anything that we as an industry does that indicates there is any common business sense will be welcomed with open arms here in Canada. Organizing and presenting a unified front that takes responsibility for itself will do far more to lessen the stigmatization and marginalization for the majority of the sex workers than parading around protesting ever will... cat

I also have a downward curve but mine is only a small one. I always wanted a bigger one with a upward curve. However, now that I've been seeing these wonderful ladies with their oral skills, I'm starting to rethink that because they can all DT me with ease and it feels so good having lips wrapped around the base with their nose against my pubes. If I was bigger, that may not always happen!

I was in this afternoon and had some dances with a few women: Candy - a black dancer with glasses, nice rack, very sensual Vixen - Blonde frizzy hair, slim, sexy and sensual Angela - Brunette, long black hair, french, in her 20's. Beautiful face and eyes. Very nice slim body. Very Sensual. My favourite of the group. There was a blonde dancer I was talking to, I think she has been dancing there a while. Nice fake tits, slim body, some plastic surgery on her lips I think. She said she lives in Toronto now but comes back to town from time to time. Really nice body, but didn't get a dance with her.

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I will also recommend Loraine, who had an established clientbase of her own prior to joining here.

I would change a few things about my appearance. I'd firm and tone all over and give myself some boobs. Why not just get a boob job? Because it's just not me. I want everything on my body to be 100% real.

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I'm with Nat on this one.... the rate a lady chooses is up to her, and her only. There is no set local price. We don't know the reasons behind why someone decides on a rate to charge, and we have no right to pass judgement on them for what they decide. Charging a lower rate doesn't mean the person has no self-respect. It could mean they are comfortable providing their services at that rate. Or it could mean they need the money. Or it could mean many things. Similar things have been said about providers who choose to offer 15-minute specials, and I firmly believe none of us has the right to look down our noses at the girls who choose to do so, and I belive the same about the rate issue. What other girls charge has no effect on my business. My clients come to see ME, and I believe most of them would no matter what I charged. I am not concerned about 'losing' clients to lower-priced providers. Clients don't 'belong' to us anyway.

I think it's up to everyone to set their own rates. It's a personal decision, and one based on a lot of factors that we might not necessarily know about. "Do 'they' even know the cost of living in Canada?" I'm assuming you're talking about recent immigrants of migrant laborers? I'm sure they do know the cost of living here, but need to make a certain amount of money to make ends meet. I have no idea, we aren't walking in their shoes after all... Ultimately we can't judge. We don't know anything about their lives or what determined their rates, etc. I don't think it has anything to do with self-respect or fairplay either... it's just people trying to make a living in ways they see fit. These things have a tendency of working themselves out. I'm really sorry it's making life difficult for you, Eve. I think that the really good clients, clients who are respectful and kind, will continue to see the ladies they want, regardless of the cost. I don't think it will drive your prices down at all. People are always transitioning in and out of the industry... Those that stick around (like you) and have good reputations (like you) will be successful in the long run. We need to hold our judgment and be in solidarity with one another. It's a tough industry! Just my two cents, Nat xox

I don't know if we're looking at things the right way. If the purpose of the study is to see if sex workers are aroused differently than other women, it wouldn't make sense for them to ask any other woman to participate. The study would probably use a few non sex workers also, as a "control" group, a group to compare sex workers to, to see how different we actually are. I don't really see much wrong with this. Grad students in universities across the world are trying to answer different types of questions about different types of issues, and in this one instance it happens to be about sex workers. I'm fine with that. I get how just a Gmail address can throw someone off but being a university student who has participated in these things before, I know that once you do email the poster they actually provide a lot of information. Even if you don't want to participate I think it might be a great idea to email the poster of the study and ask some of the questions you asked before we draw too many conclusions.

Not sure what your style is, check out the ads in the announcement area and the recommendation threads. If you prefer a mature women, there is Meaghan in STJ , and if you prefer a younger lady Ms Manda is often in STJ. I have also heard good things on Tiffany, she is a local STJ lady too. Good luck:)

Hi Savannah Interesting question. I can't say I'm all that interested in playing the Cuckold ...but being a Bull well that would have it benefits! Personally I find it exciting when others find my partner attractive, as long as the attention isn't crass or too obvious. Having said that, the idea of having sex with someone after they've had sex with someone else, especially if they've got cum inside or on them has always been a fantasy of mine. Toper

lol, good to know;) I also used to have a preference-but for men that were gifted with height. However, after meeting so many sexy men of ALL heights I've decided no matter if I have to look up or down if he's a gentleman I'm going to enjoy him and have fun:)

There is no benefit to exaggerating one's height. There are lots of gentlemen who like short ladies. Short Valerie