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A special..it's a fake ad..My fees are on my website and in my ads here Since this morning I have received a lot of texts and emails for " my special at 80/hh 160/h for newfies" I have requested the admin to remove that fake ad without any success at this time Again this is a fake ad posted by a lady..My fees on my ads here and website is what is accurate plus I would never use the word newfies Again my apologies for anyone that got mislead by that fake ad VJ

1. You don't 2. Like you want to pay for the (free) test available to everyone? how's that going to work. You understand it takes a week for results, during which time sps are seeing other clients? Or are you saying you are willing to take her out of the work place, paying for her entire week's income while you both wait for the results. And when you do get them/see them, what is the kind of services you expect now that you 'know'. Oh and, what are you doing during all this wait time?? Got your results in hand, and a guarantee of not doing or seeing anyone? 3. NO, no amount of advice on how to 'get it done' will replace my answer #2 lol 4. I hope not. It is a very manipulative thing for any client to require, and a very useless thing for an sp to present anyway (see #2) When was your last test, and what is your sexual history since then btw, and going back to #2 what kind of services are you expecting from this sp with the clean test results?

Absolutely inappropriate and insulting if you asked a lady for her test results, or if she is D&D free. Just as it would be equally inappropriate and insulting for her to ask you for your test results and if you are D&D free YOUR SEXUAL HEALTH IS YOUR RESPONSIBILTY Up to you to get yourself tested But asking a lady about her test results and health status will likely end up in you being declined a date RG

I may have missed the point of this thread but I kinda thought that no one was saying there should be a forced set price that everyone had to follow just sort of suggesting that it was probably in the interest of all SP'S that rates remain high and that people don't just start under cutting each other. I don't think any set rate would ever work and there is way to many reasons why people set the rates they do to expect uniformity... i fully agree that each SP has to set their own rate but reminding oneself that the rate you set may affect others is not necessarily a bad thing either. Just my opinion.

That would be a very, very good idea. Not to set or enforce prices; but to provide support to every single provider, so that they can be informed and market-savvy and each set the highest price that works for them.

Hmmm. A visit to the doctor for blood tests every 3-6 months could potentially result in a 3-6 month backlog of people that the Health Department has to call on your behalf. This will not look good on a resume. In Vegas. England, etc. the trip to the doctor is made once a month, if not more often (I have heard of once a week). My MD is very supportive, and once a month - or less - is no problem. I personally would be very cautious about a new client demanding BBBJ's during the first few visits. It's not the only fun with your gun. I want to have a limited number of clients and let things evolve. Besides, there are some very creative and salacious activities one can enjoy with a covered cap......but that's another thread! Cheers, Ann

Lots of great advice on this thread. If you have a good, sex positive doctor then absolutely, talk to them about STI risks. Just be aware that not all doctors are sex positive and many of them are woefully misinformed about sexual health (70 years old, hasn't read a damned thing about sexual health since med school), and so your doctor might actually not be the best source of info when it comes to sexual health. I would suggest going down to Nine Circles for testing and having a chat with an STI nurse about your concerns. You an also call the Sexual Health Info Line, which is staffed by Health Educators. It's confidential and they'll answer any sexual health questions you might have. (I can't get their site to load right now, but the number can be found at ninecircles.ca) I really think there's a lot of value in talking to a sex positive health professional, in addition to doing your own reading on the internet. Because written information is usually presented in isolation, and risk are talked about in percentages or even worse, vague terms ("high"... "low"... what do those actually mean?) it can be really hard to put things in perspective and figure out how to view risks around sexual health in a reality centred way. I very often see people either dismissing risks or getting far more stressed out and fearful about them than they need to be.

:boobeyes:So yeah...naughty sites so my own fault. Got a popup that looked exactly like a legit Microsoft box. It said a program wanted to change Windows file run dot dll. Strangely it said the author was certified to be Microsoft. Good thing I did not click "Yes"!!! The window would not go away even though I clicked "No" and tried closing the box. suddenly up pops a new page...the notorious spoof police page that says your computer is now locked and you need to pay a fine of $100 to unlock it. It looks fairly official and might scare some into sending the money. Lots of police logos and Criminal Code quotes about forbidden content etc. There is no way to close the page. Your comp IS locked. I unplugged my internet connection PHYSICALLY and turned of the computer with the on/off switch. Turned on and ran every antivirus onboard, no sign of any threat. Machine is running fine now, or so it seems. Takeaway from this is: 1: if you get a popup about making changes to run dot dll immediately disconnect your machine from the net. 2: never use wifi for any dodgy sites. NEVER. If I had been using wifi I would not have been able to disconnect because the computer was locked. 3: have another comp you can use to change all your passwords to accounts. If mine is still hacked I can at least reformat. I am a bit worried that the virus might catch my passwords so will reformat. When I started up I got a box saying that the crd dot dll file could not be found, another box that the crd program could not start. These are the programs the hackers use to collect your money. So hopefully their program was not fully installed. Effin hackers. :spank:

Just to chime in here for a quick second. I normally will exchange numbers to text and book an appointment, my latest arrangements were through email only, and I can honestly say, it has been a first in the longest time. It worked out perfectly, even right to the 5 minute mark before the appointment to get proper instructions for room number etc etc. In today's world everyone has a smart phone, probably with email, so it works just as efficient as texting. I have never had an issue, furthermore, I won't get uptight if there is no response after my first sent email, as some or most ladies have other jobs/school OR that they are busy with their own life. The key is to be polite, word your words properly, and things always work out if you act like a gentleman by your first impressions.

Call me naive if you want but I would think that if there was any health issues that could be passed along to the gentleman, I would hope the lady would bring it up. The same for the gentleman visiting... If he had any issues I would hope that he let the lady know about it. STD, hepatitis etc.... I believe that we trust each other enough without having to see any health certificate or other health form.... Just saying!

I personally, as a cbj provider, a cbj advertiser, and giving a cbj on first visits, resent being asked this before, during or after a session, or even as a prelude to booking a 2nd appt, like when someone calls to see if i'm available, sets up an appt, and while on the phone might ask this. It is a clear case, to me, of carrot dangling, a lure that this guy is not going to show up or book another appt unless they get that bbbj. if you see someone who advertises cbj, and provided it in session, without the pressure of someone asking for more and possibly doing it out of concern for losing the appt, don't ever ask for more. An sp who makes exceptions will let you know. If you expect or need more than what is freely provided, just do not book the appt in the first place if you expect that her advertised restrictions are not restrictions at all.

Another tech tip for you... ALT+F4 will close the current window. Most of those pop up viruses/malware will run whether you click yes, no or the X. So don't do any of the above. Press Alt-F4 and voila. Window gone. You're welcome. Happy porn-ing!!!!

Absolutely ask! It is indeed down to scheduling: she may have other bookings or she may be able to spend more time with you. Don't know if you don't ask! :)

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Hmm, in a way I could say it also doesn't matter, but I don't think I'd mean it in the same way others have said. For me I don't have a preference between tall or short because I find each very attractive in different ways. I'm on the lean side but quite tall myself, and having a lady that actually comes close to my height is a thrill. There's something nice about not having to hunch over to enjoy a kiss, to wrap your arms around someone and feel them pressing along your whole body, and who wouldn't want a little extra leg to explore? But there's also something I find alluring about shorter ladies as well that I can't quite put my finger on. It's just a different sort of appeal but just as strong. In any event, I wouldn't say height is the prime factor in my attraction. I've found, for me, that whatever a person's body type there is invariably something (or somethings!) appealing and desirable, and each can be so much fun. And at the end of the day there's no one thing that makes a person more attractive and sexy than the right attitude (though I'm shallow enough to admit that I don't mind if that good personality happens to be matched by nice breasts... :redface:).

I had the pleasure visiting Delilah, again. The passion, lust, the erotic pleasure, that we had the first time, quickly grew into a very hot, raw session this second time around. I had a dream, a fantasy of sorts about us, I told Delilah through email, that dream,fantasy. It was played out, I kinda caught her off guard when I told her to go ahead and open some small gifts and a Easter card. My fantasy,dream had so much sexual desire, there is nothing like playing out a scene that you have in your head, and it becomes reality especially with a beautiful looking woman. Small hint, as I pushed her up against the wall, and ripped down her panties... :) I will leave the rest to your imagination, all I know is this, I will and have a smile on my face, and Im sure that it will remain for the long week-end. I look forward to our next time together as apparently Delilah has something planned for myself. ;) Thanks again Delilah, it was pure pleasure.

I was going to write something about compassion and this industry, above and beyond free market theory, and then MigthyPen said it more eloquently than I could ever do. I, too, believe compassion should be a part of this industry and our topics of discussion.

We are independent contractors. Unless you are with an agency or a pimp. Other independent contractors have similar issues with undercutting prices.. Ask anyone who works in a trade. Be it painting houses, paving driveways, building a deck... Even holistic practitioners, massage therapists, hair dressers... I'm quite sure there's no union or industry minimum for those and several other independent contractor jobs. The proposition of an industry standard is the pipe dream.. very unrealistic in my opinion. One of the best parts of my job is that I'm completely my own boss.... I do not want anyone dictating to me that I can't work for my own set price that I decide I am choosing. While I have chosen a minimum time that I will book for a client of 30 min.. I have in the past done 15 min appts. I even have had one regular who after booking his initial time for my min came back to see me several times.. but since he was a minimum wage worker and literally was in and out in one song I didn't have the heart to charge him more than $50.. In a set price model would I have to charge him more now? or do this behind the back of whomever is telling me the price I can charge? THAT right there takes away my freedom to be my own boss. No thanks!

For me, there are a couple different angles to this question. First, there are circumstances that can impact erections and ejaculation. This is more of a norm now than an anomaly. Unfortunately, it depends on the gentleman in question. For me, a session can be about far more than whether you get off or not. Again, this can depend on the gentleman. Some are here to have a great time and get off, some are in it for the connection, snuggles, kisses and the whole gamut of pleasures. If the gentleman is not comfortable with whatever issue might be happening whether medical, age, lack of sleep, stress etc. and make it about cumming, then if it is not achieved, it does make me feel less than stellar. Especially when I know they are disappointed whether it is stated or not. If the gentleman goes with the flow and is comfortable with it and it becomes about more than an orgasm, then as long as he leaves with a smile, I feel good. There are also those who know and/or push their own limits. IE: just one more. If this happens, great but again, if it becomes a case of trying too hard and not achieving then I do feel badly because they are not leaving with a smile. The bottom line is leaving and feeling good. If someone allows an orgasm to impact this then there is a chance they are not leaving happy. I am not going to delude myself that many times, the lady is blamed for that. I know there are ladies who feel they are instruments of pleasure and there to facilitate but not to be responsible for, yet in the situation, it is difficult not to be impacted by normal human emotions. Personally, if someone is comfortable in their own body and the good and bad that comes with that, whether you can or can't has no impact on my view of them. People and sex are about more than an orgasm.

One thing that really shocks me is that when I get tested every 3 months if not more if I feel there might have been a risk, I put the results of my test on the bed for a while and the gentlemen cumming at my place don't even take a look at it and put the paper aside!!!!!!!!!! Now that strucked me!!!! Anyway as some ladies R saying one day U can be cleaned and the other U catch something that will take time to show up. But SPs R definitely the cleanest ladies U can find darling! We care about our bodies very much since our profession depends on being clean to be able to work again and keep our clientèle wether it be regulars or new cummers chéri. Wishing U lots of safe fun babe!

A clean bbbj is an oxymoron. Mouths are notoriously full of all kinds of microscopic wigglies. There are many providers to choose from who offer the service; many of them will be std/sti free but you can't tell who is and who isn't. There is no "on the spot" test to see if at this moment something lurks in her throat. Christy is right, this is something you have to educate yourself on. Speak with your doctor, read the public health information and then think on the best choice for your situation. What I will suggest is that when you find the provider, don't ask "Are you clean?". It's not a good way to start off an experience. My second suggestion is that when the "Oh my God, what have I done?" wave hits you afterwards, don't contact your provider asking if you should go get tested... cat

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the problem with the minimum is that it would be set real low. too high or even average price and the less popular SPs (maybe because of a non-preferred bodytype or age or options etc) would be getting less than what they would get if they were to set their own prices to reflect actual market value. as for protecting new, clueless SPs, that's a problem of not having the information, which is why sites like this can be a good source of info. it would be like starting a business without knowing what to do - not very prudent. if you set up some body that would act as an information provider, it would be hard to access every newbie out there due to the nature of the business

Lets look at the Acer Elite Best Buy $659, Canada Computer refurbished $599 , Wallmart $499 all with 8g's of memory Wallmart is undercutting all theses businesses. Everyone has the right to set their own prices. Whether you a store, business or service, that's my 2 cents again.

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Being fairly tall to start with, women are generally much shorter than I am. Could be nice having someone just proportionally as tall as I am (that would be around 5'9, I guess). I agree with the consensus that once horizontal, it's no longer an issue. Didn't know crissycurves was a taller lady; as if I needed one more reason to want to take a trip out east.

If you choose the half hour its 180 and if you decide to go for the hour its 300... BJ

I do,I am just a smidgen away from 5,7 so I always say I am 5,7

There is a difference between having a voice, and dictating decisions without realizing how they may affect people differently. What if all the higher-priced providers got together and decided the industry minimum should be $1000/hr? So, again, who gets to decide what the minimum would be, and who would it affect?

I think a more important question is: how would the mandatory minimum be enforced? It's a scary thought. I do echo Kathryn's concerns, as well.

Cat, you said: And then went on to say that the advocates speak from a level of priviledge and don't understand the hardships faced by those with less priviledge. However, with the minimum pricing you are suggesting, that in its very self doesn't take into consideration the less priviledged workers you claim to understand. Do you really think it fair to dictate a minimum price that *ALL* providers must adhere to? The street-based workers, the workers who would be excluded from working for a third-party due to past legal problems or addiction/mental health issues or immigrant status, the workers who only wish to work part-time, the workers who are on the "edge" of society's idea of what constitutes the norm for gender expression or body type or sexuality, the workers who want to "only" provide X and Y services, but not Z services? You are not advocating protection for those workers. You're advocating a tiered system that would only feed into the stigmatization and marginalization faced by workers. And yes, I do believe we should be advocating from the position of and consideration for the less priviledged because historically they have been the ones to bear the majority of the criminalization, stigmatization, and marginalization compared to other sectors within the sex trade. Additional Comments: Alright, I can make comparisons all night: If Sally wants to start babysitting and offers her services for $5/hr, and Jimmy, Sue, and Polly all have been babysitting for a number of years, is it then fair for the three of them to dictate Sally's prices? What if Sally has no experience, but the other three do? What if Sally comes from a single-family home and understands that not all families come from the same socio-economic backgrounds as the other three children? Your experience is different from mine. That doesn't make it any more or less valid, and doesn't mean you are a fountain of wisdom that trumps mine every time. We are coming at this from different angles, the only difference is that you are only considering the indoor workers, and yes, that would be *more* priviledged workers. Including other providers, who do so out of motivation for their own interests. Saying that we need to protect these poor, disadvantaged women who don't know what they are getting into is really invalidating and infantilizing. Provide guidance should people wish to access those support services, but don't presume to know what is best for everyone or what everyone "should" do. By dictating a mandatory minimum, which, let's face it, would come from the position of an indoor worker, you would be sentencing those who cannot command those prices to work illegally, unsafely, and in the darkness. That is not protecting those providers.

Hey everyone! I've been lurking under a different name for a few years now, but finally decided to get more... involved. I'd post my own "hey I'm new" thread rather than responding here, but ... I gotta admit, I'm a bit shy! I gotta shake that off soon. :)

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Personally, I'd prefer to see a client who chooses the ladies he sees because his interest was piqued by them and not based on the cheapest price. I've been asked more times than I care to count if I'd lower my rate or if I offer specials/discounts for this or that. I understand quite well that money is often tight for most people but if you can't afford a lady's requested donation, either save up until you can, opt for less time or shop for a more economical encounter. While undercutting can have an affect on other ladies (myself included), the positive side is that it creates options for hobbyists who can't afford the higher priced SPs. There is a silver lining in every shit storm ladies and gents. You just have to look for it. :-)

I would be very interested in some info as well.

I agree with Ann Gallerie on this, PayPal utilizes user fees plus a transaction fee, therefore 1) a reason I don't use it, and 2) PayPal won't let anyone use their services if it is adult based (such as this). I took the time to set up an actual merchant account, and I have a 'register terminal' directly on my phone, just like restaurants that have mobile transaction machines. I can swipe your card directly on my phone, and you sign directly on my phone screen. I do prefer to use this method for booking to take deposits, but I can also take debit cards, and there is always the trusted interac services which are highly popular. Having a gentleman utilize this booking method ensures his time is committed to by me, and that he is dedicated to actually showing up. We all know there are some unscrupulous ones out there that love to 'book' and don't show. I find this a great way to offer more choice to gentlemen, yes there is a paper trail, just like any other transactions, but there are ways to remedy this. My transactions are set up with sku codes and detailed information that makes sense if an SO happens to check the CC bills. If a gentleman is unsure if he wants to use a CC, I offer debit, interac transfer, but there is always the great standby of cash. I do pay a small fee for having this convenience, but to me it's worth it. I also pay taxes on all the income, but I do get advantages from that also. The choice is always up to the gentleman, but having the ability to give a choice of method of payment to him is awesome.

When I was 29 years old I chose to start my escort business.. I honestly believe that was the perfect age for me. When I first started although I had an innocence about me I was still mature and was able to learn quickly on how to be a good escort. And I loved it! Now at 36 with almost 8 years of great memories and experiences I feel that I am not only confident in my skills but also with life in general. I feel that we SP's understand men on a level that most civillian women just wouldn't understand. I walk away from almost all of my appointments with a smile.. this industry has reminded me that real men do exist. I did leave the industry for a couple of years (2011-2013) - I came back because I was missing out on apart of who I am and what I enjoy doing. Since I have been back I have been reminded of how much I was meant to be a service provider lol So, I don't know if it is age, experience or lifestyle choices that make girls different ... I think some just don't care to view this as a business and that's fine too xoxo

I think it's perfectly fine if $5 or $10 bucks does mean a lot to a person, and that this hobby should not just be for the wealthy. A lot of folks have to spend a fair bit of time saving up for the pleasure of an encounter. But, while it's OK to be in a situation where each dollar matters, it simply makes a lot more sense to have the exact change arranged ahead of time, rather than putting the onus on the lady and assuming she'll be able to provide it, and deal with the potential awkwardness of that conversation. I mean, I certainly understand that not everyone has the same level of disposable income, but I'd just hate to turn the friendly hug goodbye moment into a situation where the lady is digging through her couch cushions trying to find a few more quarters. :)

As someone who does most of my communications, including all first-time interactions by e-mail, I would never feel comfortable answering an introductory e-mail (or any other, to be honest) with a one line response like that. For this reason, e-mails always wait until I have sufficient time to sit down and write a personal, thoughtful response. E-mail goes to my phone, but unless it's time-senstive, it won't get answered until later on when I get home, after dinner, after I'm done entertaining, or after I'm done whatever else I need to do right now. I consider my communications as part of the whole experience I offer, and so I don't half-ass it, or rush it. Good communication (on both sides) can set the whole tone of a potential encounter, and I know that my e-mails have made new clients, or nervous folks feel 100% more confident about what may come. I don't like receiving one line e-mails, so I don't send them. But while I make special time to properly answer e-mails, I may still have spare moments throughout the day, while waiting for a guest to arrive, or waiting in line at Loblaws, to send out a tweet, bump my BP ad, etc. Also, for me, I actually do my due diligence with potential client's information, including their name, e-mail, phone number, and other information I might have about them. It takes a bit of time to run it though different bad date databases, Google, and do a few other top-secret hooker tricks. So I need to sit down and pay attention to doing these things, before I can respond to the e-mail. Also, if there is a reference to check, this can bring another party into the mix, which might also extend the response time. As well, e-mails that have all the proper information, included with a friendly introduction, always get answered much sooner the other ones that I dread answering where I have to press for more info. Sometimes I also take a day or two off, when I often cut myself off from non-essential work-related communications. If I get an e-mail on Saturday, looking for an appt next Thursday, I might not answer instantaneously. At this time I might be hanging out with my family, or Tweeting online, reading and responding to threads on CERB, or whatever else I feel like doing. Then on Monday when I consider myself "back to work", I'll take the necessary time to thoughtfully respond to gentlemen's inquiries. :) I say this, but I still often reply to e-mails on my days off; I just don't feel like I am obligated to be available 24/7 to answer inquiries. Overall I think I'm a pretty good communicator, and very good with response time. The only reason I'm responding to this thread, is that I have encountered situations exactly like this, (and I know many other ladies have too), where I've had clients who I haven't even met yet, e-mail a second time questioning me because they saw me do something online before receiving a response to their initial e-mail. While I want to be reliable, accommodating, and communicate well, a while back I made a promise to myself never to be a slave to my phone, e-mail, money or clients. Because this job can sometimes be unconventional in terms of hours & scheduling etc, it's important to set personal boundaries like this. I need time for me, otherwise I'd go crazy and wouldn't be useful or fun for anyone.

I would agree with this, just because someone asks for change doesn't make them a bad client, of course not... They had the proper amount for the session...it's all about the person and how he treats the girl...that makes them good/bad. I did use cheap for when a guy wants change, but really only for those guys that can afford it and have the money to spare. I hear what you're saying about people less fortunate and with little money and everything counts to them, then yes i would completely understand wanting their change...maybe they need that money to get home from the session. Cheers.

Any intimate activity with anyone, be it a professional companion, bar pick up, girlfriend/CL/wife ALL carry an element of risk...celibacy, well masturbation is the only safe sex and no, not being glib here Condoms are not risk elimination, they are risk reduction As Cat pointed out, never ask a companion if she is clean, and don't ask the lady if you have a morning after panic attack if you should be tested YOUR SEXUAL HEALTH IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY...you should get tested regularly if you are sexually active One more thing, while there is an element of risk in being sexually active, even if using safe sex practices, celibacy while safe (sex wise that is) carries something else IMHO far more unhealthy...and that is loneliness...and I am speaking from experience Anyhow, a rambling RG

I think Christy hit the nail on the head when she said the problem is the the potential client's end. It's not hard to find such basic information if one is willing to just open their eyes and turn their head slightly towards the monitor. It's obviously up to you how much time/effort you want to put into fellows that don't seem willing to put any time/effort in themselves. If you don't want to ignore them completely, you might consider setting up a standard, pre-made text reply that includes either basic information or simply a link to your website. That way instead of having to retype out lengthy messages numerous times a day, you can just quickly send the pre-made reply and move on with your day. Anyone who was at all serious would hopefully take the hint, read your site, and reply back.

You want a good laugh.... Google "Mrs Browns Boys" http://https://fbcdn-video-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-prn2/v/t42/1519735_10151803635281781_610623005_n.mp4?oh=3130d225797fbbc8bcf2c2c7ab5b33d0&oe=52EBFA13&__gda__=1391201863_4f082053b01819b04266e3b9f267083c

Ahhh, the ?tipping? debate! I noticed there was a decided void in SP response so I will take a minute to share my thoughts? From an agency girl perspective, tipping is often a way to generate extra income because after they pay the agency and the driver, they usually end up on the short end of the stick. 10 years ago, I ran for an agency, we collected $260 for an hour, with $110 going to the house, $40-$100 to the driver depending on where the visit was located, which left me maximum of $110 with as little as $10 in my pocket. With a $15 book on fee and mandatory car cell phone fees of $25 per night, I needed 3 full fees per night to make working worthwhile, God forbid I get credit card calls, which somehow always worked out us getting nothing. We were not allowed to refuse a call so we had to find creative ways to ensure we were paid. Tipping for extra service was the only way to keep our heads above water. The nice thing was that we had a shift, we worked, and we went home and had a life. That said, it was unfair to the guest who would end up with less than what he expected because he was not prepared for the extra fees. Independents are in a slightly different boat. We usually have a higher upfront fee, but we also assume ALL the costs incurred, which is far more than many realize. If we charged what we feel we should to get our ROI, the protests would be heard long and loud. Many Indies have a smaller bottom line than an ambitious girl at a well run agency. So when it comes to tips, many things need to be considered. In the south, SP's are tipped much in the same manner as a restaurant. Anyone walking a restaurant wouldn?t consider walking out without leaving a tip if everything was satisfactory. I tip everyone in the service industry, from the girl who washes my hair, to the man at Suny?s who pumps my gas because a little bit from many adds up at the end of the day. Flowers and trinkets are lovely in thought, but a girl can?t deposit wilted stems into an RRSP, and my bank doesn?t seem to take dildos, massage oil, garter belts or silk stockings on deposit -go figure! As Joyful C has so wisely stated, most SP?s live a fragile existence financially. We provide an illusion of playful luxury for our guests benefit, but rest assured, 90% of the time it is smoke and mirrors. Behind the scenes we struggle to pay our bills, put diapers on our babies and try to take care of those we love, all the while working on a way to get to a normal existence if that does in fact even exist. An extra $20 from each client equals a full appointment by the end of the week, and at the end of the month that pays the cell phone, buys the groceries and lets us take the little ones away for the weekend after we have paid both rents (home and incall), all our advertising, babysitters, hydro, car repairs, personal maintenance and the same expenses everyone else has. Not to mention the monthly payments on augmentation, lifts, tucks and anything else to keep us up to the exceptionally high standards expected if we want to continue making money in this arena. There are few SP?s who can keep up the daily client service to ensure long term financial viability in this business because of the emotional and physical toll this business extracts which sometimes means extended time offs to get our heads, hearts and bodies back in order. We have no paid holidays, benefits or paid personal days. If there is a crisis that forces us to take time off, we lose money and clients which often means we work regardless of illness, pain or any other of lifes challenges. Each SP has her own reasons for working, but the universal element is that we all are trying to achieve some sort of financial stability. I never expect tips, and I can count on one hand how many I have received since my arrival in Canada because of the nature of the business here. Hate to tell you guys, but Canadian men are not known for their generous nature, they rank a close second to Germans in this realm (I think the outlandishly high taxes inflicted in both countries has something to do with it!). I would never expect a tip from guests that have me on retainer, I see them weekly. But unless you are going to be a bankable commodity in a SP?s life, a tip relative to the quality of service is a sure way to say thank you and have her know you mean it... Catherine