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There's alot of garbage being layered onto certain sex workers in the industry. There's a dichotomy between the image of the put together worker, self-assured, autonomous, and in control...no mental health or self-esteem issues...acting as her own woman, strong as hell. And, then there's the worker with no business skills, not knowing her worth, with low self-esteem, willing to do God knows what with her body....drugged out, controlled by a pimp, and needing to be managed for her own good. Or, left to her own devices while the rest of "us" supposedly figure out what is 'truly' of benefit to our industry overall. And, then, there's statements being made about who has seen more of the 'exploited', 'messed-up', unfortunate 'ignorant' types', and how that allows one to make potentially more insightful judgement calls about the need to minimum pricing and regulatory measures....and the right to construct prostitute typologies I might add. The dichotomy (between the healthy, competent and knowing sex worker, and the screwed up, pimped druggie with no economic sense) and the prostitute typologizing are what I want to bite into here. And, I'll use personal narrative to illustrate some of these aspects, but keeping in mind the broader connections between our lives...that all of the pieces do not have to match up perfectly to provide insight....that personal stories can be applied in such a manner as to not blanket or overgeneralize a discussion, or over-personalize a debate to the point where discussion becomes impossible. These are the things I have in mind as I share. I started in this industry at 17 years old. The choices, as I experienced them, were tough and few and I was highly motivated to get out of poverty and an abusive living environment, which was obviously distressing. Within a year I found a decent agency manager to work for. I had very little business knowledge to start with: what to charge?, what was a fair cut to give to a manager?, what services to provide?, what services was I comfortable with providing?....how might my financial needs and motivations, my life immediate circumstances, trump some of these considerations over others? ...and, believe me, sometimes I have made choices that have left me feeling like shit....sometimes the choices didn't feel like fair choices....sometimes, I was layering on self-judgement that didn't need to be there about the choices...hmmm, I wonder where all of that judgement comes from? My earlier years in the industry allowed me to observe my manager and all of the tasks she carried out to run a business, many of which I was too busy to want to do myself, some of which I lacked the social and economic capital and personal organization to do, and others aspects I just needed time to think on if ever I wanted to become an independent (screening clients etc.). I experienced the work as exhausting, frustrating and stigmatizing at times, but also as stimulating and fun (always meeting new people, sharing stories, learning about the psychology of sex), and flexible in terms of how portable the work is, and being able to make larger amounts of money in shorter periods of time. In a relatively small Northern Ontario community, I gave a third of every hourly fee I made to my manager. At the time, the going rate for a bustling and established escort agency was $150 an hour. After I paid my agency fee, and my taxi fare (it was all outcall based), and based on the example of a one hour date, my take away without any other expenses considered (condoms, clothing, grooming etc.) was about $80. This is considerably less than I command now as someone who works independently, in another region, and a decade later. But, I was more than ok with those terms...accepted them and they worked just fine for me, and were highly preferable relative to the other work that was available to me at the time. Thinking back to that situation, if I could have finagled low overhead and the right incall setup, I could have charged $80 an hour and made out just as well or better (think no travel time to appointments), but goodness knows then I would have been labeled by others in the industry as a 'low end' ignoramus. Interesting. Long story short, sex work arose as a highly constrained AND also an ideal and flexible economic option for me. It took time, opportunities to connect with other workers, and reading related literature (not easy to find at the time) for me to begin to make sense of things....to carve out various options for myself, to politicize what it means to be a sex worker, and to challenge my own internalized assumptions about 'whores', while also challenging dominant social ideas about sex workers, both demonizing and infantilizing. The learning curve has been steep and complex. And, my life options, my formal education, my business savvy, my self-awareness, and my sexual development have evolved. Having made a foray back into the industry several months ago (after a long pause away, but still engaging in related activism all the while), I find myself in a different phase as a sexual labourer. I work for myself, set my own rates, and screen my own clients, and, over time, I've had more opportunities to become a part of the sex working community, to fight for our rights, and to benefit from the rich relationships it holds I also take time to remember the whole journey, the teenager that was me, and I have had moments where I've been struck by her ingenuity. Whatever I lacked in business or economic smarts, I made up for in volumes with the savvy that can only come with street smarts...off the cuff, quick thinking, and tremendous resourcefulness. Few people would take the time to fascinate over the narrative of socially and economically marginalized woman if she is working for pennies at the local Tim Horton's....with a Manager on her all the time like a fire breathing dragon...thankless customers, running her ass off, barely covering the rent, leaving little or no time for her to pursue, or dream about other life options. And, few would make so many qualifying remarks if she struggled in her sense of self, maybe even struggling with depression, or an intimate partner who abuses her physically, financially. Why? Because we gloss over that kind of marginalization: cuz she's working for the man, towing the line of normalcy....her purported "dysfunction" is a familiar, benign kind. [And, yes, I am gesturing at the role of internalized whore stigma in this thread masquerading as disinterested concern and professional rhetoric over industry standards.] So, why is it acceptable to make all kinds of qualifying remarks about sex workers who may charge less than others?....who may be following a business model that makes sense for them?...who may be working for a manager who takes a cut, maybe even an unfair cut of their earnings?...who may struggle in his or her sense of self. What about the role of decrim?...about upholding the legal rights of sex workers to switch managers or leave the industry without fear of retribution (providing legal recourse and a climate of social support for him/her to do so)....just one of a number of examples where we can make changes without fixating on the pathology of individual choice, or lack thereof. What about we make space for the understanding that there will always be sex workers who will never fit into the mould of the happy, healthy hooker, and to count these members of our community in as equally insightful and valuable. It's not too hard, considering that some of the biggest leaders in the sex workers rights movement are people who have been street involved, who are or who have been drug users, and, yes, trauma survivors. A number of these people, all women, are some of my closest friends and confidants. We do not all identity with the same struggles, with the same privileges and oppressions, or industry experiences, but we see each other as equals and colleagues nonetheless. It's also been mentioned that there are workers who really aren't wanting to do the work but have few other options. Let's fight for those increased options....while also recognizing that there are plenty of folks in the mainstream workforce who hate their shitty jobs, don't know how else they will pay their bills, and can't seem to get their foot in the door what with all of the nepotism out there. Let's advocate for their increased options too eh? When we dichotomize and qualify sex worker identity in the manner I've seen happen in this thread, there is tremendous erasure that occurs; erasure of the parts of ourselves, our private moments which are deemed unsavory, shameful, desperate; erasure of the ongoing vulnerabilities we experience in the industry(, because regardless of what we charge or where we work, we all experience a level of vulnerability); and erasure of the contributions of fellow sex workers who have and continue to fight for our rights. I love being a sex worker, and I see the work as skilled and honorable work (as my vocation), yet, sometimes, I still am left feeling like shit...sometimes I feel confused. I carry all of my life history with me, beautiful and ugly. But, hey, don't we all? Isn't this ok? What happens when, for some of us, it is not ok? ...what then is the role of totalizing statements about certain people's lives, their work?....does it not function as a mechanism for distancing?...for asserting a sense of personal entitlement and relative legitimacy? what happens when we resemble a stereotype?....what happens when we face the pain of resembling a stereotype? ...what happens to us when the person who resembles the stereotypes is held in our minds eye as a respected colleague?. Hmmm, what then?

Many of the gentlemen have different approaches to this hobby. For me the connection is everything. I see limited ladies and only when I travel. I've grown extremely fond of the regular ladies I've seen and from my standpoint have created a very special bond. I feel extremely fortunate to have connected with one such lady I'm just crazy about. Every since I first connected with Emily Rushton she has intrigued me. However, I had to wait over a year until our first meeting back in 2012 in Toronto. Emily is the kind of woman you can come to know and feel close to, even before you meet. She is very intelligent and witty. I was drawn close to her before we met and had huge admiration and a crush on this gal. So if you're attracted to smart, professional and classy women...you'll likely enjoy getting to know Emily. She travels to various places in Canada and a quick check on her website will let you know if she's coming your way. And then when you see the physical appearance of this woman...well gents she'll weaken your knees. Emily has the most beautiful red hair and bright eyes. I could stare into her face for hours. She is in great physical shape with a true woman's body; adorable sexy curves and soft skin. It has taken me over a year for our travel plans to connect again but during that time she is always fun, playful and leaves me wanting and waiting for the next opportunity. A trip to Vancouver recently had my fingers crossed that things might align. A skip from my hotel to hers and I couldn't believe my fortune. I had that little tingle of excitement as I approached the door. She was as beautiful as I remembered. A glass of wine and great conversation confirmed how special this woman is. It is really something for me to be in the presence of a smart and confident woman. I could easily slip into a daze and spend hours with Emily. After getting reacquainted we moved to the bedroom and slowly got undressed. Emily's passion as a lover really comes out and I loved pleasing her and also allowing myself to fall into her eyes, arms and body. Emily reminds me that a great intellectual and personal connection can lead to amazing love making. Till our paths cross again Red! XOXO Cub

I don't think that there is too much to add to what's been said. I understand your concern for safety, I really do. However you need to understand that (sorry to say) my safety is more important. The good need is that this means I do everything possible to keep myself safe, keeping you safe in the process. Ladies in this profession are usually more on too of their sexual health than anyone else. Tests, condoms, education - we stay on top of it (pun intended) When you go to a bar do you ask for test results? Exactly. Guess which scenario is more risky. Keep yourself safe :)

I will echo Fortunateone's posts. I'm a CBJ only provider. I do duos with many colleagues who are BBBJ providers. I put the condom on when I am performing.. they take it of when they are. My comfort is paramount during an appt in order for me to perform at my best.. and as for CBJ being 'useless'. I don't take offense.. that is the opinion of several who haven't experienced a great CBJ. There are literally 1000's of happy customers in my wake who can say they not only enjoyed it but didn't leave wondering if they were safe or not. This is not to dismiss my many friends and colleagues who partake in BBBJ. The risks are low.. but they are still there.. or why get tested at all? As for trusting the clients to get tested regularly? few do.. believe me.

I am happy to see short notice clients. I have several who only have a quick window of time to see me and when I can be available.. no problem.. These are not the type who plan ahead. If they have to stop and get correct change it bites into our time and they may not be able to see me. I'm okay with getting these guys change for 10-20 bucks if I have it handy. They are okay not getting it if I don't. It's the ones that feel entitled that ladies are referring to as cheap. If you are the former.. you are feeling slighted that ladies might think you are 'cheap'. Thinking ahead isn't always possible when someone thinks with their 'little head'. I don't mind those types of clients for the most part. I'm a go with the flow kind of girl if respect is foremost in the intention. As for disabled clients.. most of mine are so disabled that an attendant has the fee put away for me somewhere discrete. The client doesn't even handle the money! I recently even had a female friend of mine who contributed funds for a disabled neighbor of hers in her building so he could afford to see me! So I don't see what being disabled or financially challenged has to do with it.. they prepare even more than the able bodied person for a visit.. certainly not a fly by the seat of their pants encounter. I've never needed to give a disable person change. 99% of my clients are fully abled..thankfully those that ask for change.. I mention I will look for it at the end and quickly get back to other things.. so I'm not distracted. I search after.. while I put my robe on and they are getting dressed.. no time wasted.

Communication both verbal and written can play a huge part in the level of sexual excitement that exists between two people... some people, like Delilah, are experts in using words to heighten the intensity of sexual attraction... if you don't believe me take a few minutes to go back and read some of her ads. For me personally it is not so much the specific things that a partner says that make it sexy it is the honesty of the communication.... and the timing of the communication. When I am going to meet a beautiful lady and she messages me with specific details of what she wants us to do it can be an amazing turn on... it is not necessarily the graphic nature of the words but the knowledge of how those thoughts and images are impacting each of us. It also clearly sets the tone for the encounter and if it is with a new partner helps set expectations for both of us. Knowing what a partner likes and wants sexually is always a huge advantage. In terms of communication during the actual session.... the more the better.... if you want something I love for you to tell me.... if I'm doing something right... let me know... if it's not working for you there is nothing better than a dirty suggestion to help me move along. Often when people think of dirty talk during sex they imagine someone screaming in passion.... while I am fine with that if it is what floats your boat... i think of it being more about honest intentional communication of our wants and needs both before and during the session. If you want me to turn you around and fuck you hard from behind while I pull your hair tell me....because I will certainly tell you if that's what I want to do. As with most relationships full unfiltered communication does not just immediately happen... people tend to hold back initially until they get to know the other person... they want to make a good impression so they are careful in what they say and do. that's why I am a big supporter of having good communication with the lady before you actually meet.... then when you do meet... you feel comfortable.... the jitters are gone and you will have established a trust and comfort level that will allow honest communicate of your desires. Hey who wants to wait till the second hour of that first appointment to be comfortable enough to say that you have dreamed of exploring her amazing ass with your tongue for the last 3 weeks or that you want to look into her beautiful eyes as your cock fills her throat. I for one kinda think those thoughts are better said at the start of the session just imagine where they may lead. Just my opinion

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I absolutely wish there were MORE female clients interested in visiting with female SP's one on one!!!

I just got home after having dinner out with my Aunt and Uncle. They are in their 80's. I have not seen then in over 25 years. They are from southern Ontario. It was so good seeing them again. :) They do no look a day over 50. I hope I look that good when I am their age.

1. You don't 2. Like you want to pay for the (free) test available to everyone? how's that going to work. You understand it takes a week for results, during which time sps are seeing other clients? Or are you saying you are willing to take her out of the work place, paying for her entire week's income while you both wait for the results. And when you do get them/see them, what is the kind of services you expect now that you 'know'. Oh and, what are you doing during all this wait time?? Got your results in hand, and a guarantee of not doing or seeing anyone? 3. NO, no amount of advice on how to 'get it done' will replace my answer #2 lol 4. I hope not. It is a very manipulative thing for any client to require, and a very useless thing for an sp to present anyway (see #2) When was your last test, and what is your sexual history since then btw, and going back to #2 what kind of services are you expecting from this sp with the clean test results?

Absolutely inappropriate and insulting if you asked a lady for her test results, or if she is D&D free. Just as it would be equally inappropriate and insulting for her to ask you for your test results and if you are D&D free YOUR SEXUAL HEALTH IS YOUR RESPONSIBILTY Up to you to get yourself tested But asking a lady about her test results and health status will likely end up in you being declined a date RG

Hey Cats, Exams are over so I finally have more time to peeve. As a new member, I love CERB. I can check adds, see recommendations, get advice. Most of all, it's great seeing the ladies interact on the boards. I like knowing that they are established professionals. One thing I miss here that other sites have is info on who the laddies service (ex: males, females, clps). As a female hobbyist (pre CERB), I have had mixed reception in calling to ask. Thought I would try posting here. Any recommendations from Hobbyists or professionals. Cheers Jane

I have been known to toss a few choice words while with a lady, but firstly I'm more of the type that will initiate dirty talk through text/email providing both the lady and I are cool with it. There is nothing like acting out certain things said through pm's/email/texts especially when you both know exactly what will happen or it happens without any kinda notice to either one. Examples- * She is push up against the wall facing into the wall, and I tug on her hair pulling her head back, kiss her madly, and then tell her in her ear "I'm going to rip your fucking panties off right now and worship your sexy ass" ** I'm standing at the edge of the bed after giving her long oral foreplay, and she soaking wet, the condom is on, and I take my cock in my hand and tease her pussy with the head of my cock all around her pussy and say " You fucking like my cock don't you? You want me to shove in deep into you now? Or would you like me to fucking tease you more? " Then shove it in deep, grind away for a few strokes then pull it out again, then do it again..again..with more teasing words to her. *** She is riding me cowgirl then comes down for some long DFK, and I tell her, "Yes right fucking there, sweetheart, fuck me, grind me deep into you and make me cum..YES.. just like that you dirty girl"....."you like my cock don't you, yes..baby fucking make me CUM" **** I take my thick finger out of her wet pussy, and her cum is stuck to my finger, and I take my finger up to her mouth and say "See, the cum, taste yourself, you fucking taste delicious, as she sucks your finger off" and then I lick my finger right after her. ***** She is giving you a BJ and grab her hair tightly wrap it into a pony tail, or if she has short hair, grab the back of her head then shove her hard against your groin area, and pull her head back at times and say to her " You like sucking my cock don't you? Do like my cock? yes that's a good girl, take it all in, and please suck my nuts too, I fucking love that too" Yes there is so much dirty talk, and yes I have said a lot more and a lot worse then above examples, because it can really heighten the experience. BUT...always make sure that the lady you are with, you are both good with it and have spent at least a couple times with each other to get to that comfort level. It is a lot fun, and can be very very erotic. Now you get into other play like BDSM well that is an entire different type of play time with some really bad/dirty/raunchy talk.

I am one who is not very good at providing dirty talk. I am practicing and getting better but it's not something I am great at. Now that being said, when a man does it to me? Oh fuck... "Mind fucking", as I call it, has been known to send me into wave over wave of orgasm. If I am engaged in intercourse with someone and they start talking dirty to me... Im over the top in no time!!!!

Writing and Reading a recent recommendation I wrote. I know it may sound silly compared to the highlight of the encounter. But sometimes reading the written word just brings back such fond memories that I find myself smiling. Thanks Red!

I love dirty talk no matter the format. I will say that since starting out as an SP my written dirty talk has increased while my verbal has decreased. I know part of the reason is that when I am with someone who is not very verbal or vocal, I restrain myself. I know there have been times it has been requested of me and the person had been so quiet that I had forgotten until halfway through. The more open someone is to me, the more comfortable I feel being expressive about needs, wants and desires. I feed off others so there is a lot of giving and receiving. It IS rather difficult to talk with my mouth full however you can be almost guaranteed that as I worship you I have thoughts running through my head about the taste and hard silkiness of your cock gliding over my tongue, forcing it's way into my throat and making me moan in need. And when you react to me with words or noises I'm panting in my mind for the reactions I'm causing and my lady bits are throbbing in anticipation.

I recall the times and they were quite recent that a bbbj was virtually non-existent. It never occurred to me to request this service prior to booking, during the session or after. But I would say almost all the providers (more than 30) I saw performed them unsolicited. I was quite surprised. One of the reasons I didn't write many reviews or reco's was I didn't think it was appropriate to comment on something that at the time I didn't know was regularly provided. I guess I thought I was special....lol Now it's openly spoken about, offered, advertised, often expected and maybe even a deal breaker for some. Not real sure why or even when this shift has occurred but it did, maybe a newer generation of players are just more open about it. Peace MG

What a lady offers is her boundary, what she is comfortable with. Whether it is her rate or her services, it is what she offers and is her boundaries. Asking for a different service or rates, IMHO is all akin to negotiating and inappropriate. If the lady offers something different to a specific client that she normally doesn't offer that is a different story, but since the boundaries are hers, she is the one who can bend/break them for a client. It isn't up to a client to ask her to bend/break them for him. Just my opinion RG

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I'm not sure people understand how what they say gets interpreted. I'm going to take a shot a couple of things here and if my guess is wrong, someone, especially the SPs, correct me. This statement diminishes, minimizes, and completely dismisses fortunateone's outlook, feelings, and perceptions. You may feel there is no need for resentment. The provider, fortunateone, clearly states this causes her resentment. The inference is that she should modify her feelings because you have told her not to feel this way. Yes, this is the second time in this discussion you've said this. You must have very different experiences than I. Can you help the casual reader to understand how you've arrived at this fact? Perhaps you could quantify the number of times you've received services specifically proscribed on the SPs site i.e. Site: No Greek! You: Hey, how about some Greek. SP: Sure thing - hop on! Or Site: CBJ or CBJ Only or Safe Sex Only. You: How's about we pop that thingy in there without the hood? SP: Say no more! Mmmppphh.. Three times out of five? Seven times out of eight? I'm genuinely curious. Perhaps I should change my approach. You do not imply or intend to exert pressure through your legitimate straightforward question. However, every communication has two components. That which the speaker intends and the manner in which the recipient receives it. fortunateone clearly states she sees this as carrot dangling and goes on to explain why. Stating that it should not be perceived as carrot dangling brings us back to the first point. The statement diminishes, minimizes, and completely dismisses fortunateone's outlook, feelings, and perceptions. As I said at the beginning, these are just my perceptions. Make of them as you will.

If I'm not mistaken, also including HIV testing, it can usually take 2-12 weeks for a result, but in some patients up to 6 months for test results to come in (anyone know different for fact please correct me) Are companions supposed to be completely celibate (including husband/bf/cl for 6 months, and are you going to be completely celibate for 6 months, including wife/gf/cl or conventional dating. I can't envision any companion doing that just to see you, or any client, nor can I imagine any client doing the same just to see one lady RG

I personally, as a cbj provider, a cbj advertiser, and giving a cbj on first visits, resent being asked this before, during or after a session, or even as a prelude to booking a 2nd appt, like when someone calls to see if i'm available, sets up an appt, and while on the phone might ask this. It is a clear case, to me, of carrot dangling, a lure that this guy is not going to show up or book another appt unless they get that bbbj. if you see someone who advertises cbj, and provided it in session, without the pressure of someone asking for more and possibly doing it out of concern for losing the appt, don't ever ask for more. An sp who makes exceptions will let you know. If you expect or need more than what is freely provided, just do not book the appt in the first place if you expect that her advertised restrictions are not restrictions at all.

Hmmm. A visit to the doctor for blood tests every 3-6 months could potentially result in a 3-6 month backlog of people that the Health Department has to call on your behalf. This will not look good on a resume. In Vegas. England, etc. the trip to the doctor is made once a month, if not more often (I have heard of once a week). My MD is very supportive, and once a month - or less - is no problem. I personally would be very cautious about a new client demanding BBBJ's during the first few visits. It's not the only fun with your gun. I want to have a limited number of clients and let things evolve. Besides, there are some very creative and salacious activities one can enjoy with a covered cap......but that's another thread! Cheers, Ann

when I'm on my knees;) they are all taller. I hope you don't mind me responding:) I love height, I come from a tall family and I am considered short by their standards. Perhaps that's why I'm so comfortable in heels. I have met some very sexy men that are on the shorter side, so long as he has confidence then I'll find him attractive no matter his elevation:)

A clean bbbj is an oxymoron. Mouths are notoriously full of all kinds of microscopic wigglies. There are many providers to choose from who offer the service; many of them will be std/sti free but you can't tell who is and who isn't. There is no "on the spot" test to see if at this moment something lurks in her throat. Christy is right, this is something you have to educate yourself on. Speak with your doctor, read the public health information and then think on the best choice for your situation. What I will suggest is that when you find the provider, don't ask "Are you clean?". It's not a good way to start off an experience. My second suggestion is that when the "Oh my God, what have I done?" wave hits you afterwards, don't contact your provider asking if you should go get tested... cat

I'm the self proclaimed Queen of Cuddles - hee hee!! :icon_lol: If a gent is not interested in snuggles, it sort of makes me feel...well, just not very nice. Compatibility is key in a fun, successful session - I loves my Snuggle Bunnies! ;)

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Again sorry you went through this Victoria. Too bad going to St. John's can't be a drama free (and sugar free ;-) ) city to tour for the ladies Pretty bad when a boy from Ontario can figure out what is going on...and no one on CERB is being bashed btw RG

The good news is that the world is changing and women's sexuality is becoming more accepted. I appreciate that the change is not happening nearly fast enough but this is in fact a huge cultural change. I am 54 and grew up in a world where women were supposed to be sweet and wholesome and any woman who demonstrated her sexuality was looked down upon. In a relatively short time frame women have rightly claimed their own sexual identity... the role models that today's girls see on TV and in the news are significantly different than 30 years ago. In addition the boys if today are being raised by women who are way more comfortable with their sexuality then generations in the past and I think this will have a huge impact as these boys become men. Bottom line the double standard that has existed is finally starting to change and it's about time. Just my opinion.

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never did understand slut shaming. I love sluts. :biggrin:

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Really, it's not. You're talking about regulating a mandatory minimum based on indoor work, which we'll say is at $200-250hr. Street-based work we'll say is $40-60. Which is roughly x500%. So a number of $1000, which I agree is ridiculous, fits into that. You're advocating for a minimum fee which would be 500% more than what street-based workers charge, which is ridiculous and akin to asking indoor workers who charge $200/hr to agree to a minimum charge of $1000/hr. Just putting it into perspective.

Cat, you said: And then went on to say that the advocates speak from a level of priviledge and don't understand the hardships faced by those with less priviledge. However, with the minimum pricing you are suggesting, that in its very self doesn't take into consideration the less priviledged workers you claim to understand. Do you really think it fair to dictate a minimum price that *ALL* providers must adhere to? The street-based workers, the workers who would be excluded from working for a third-party due to past legal problems or addiction/mental health issues or immigrant status, the workers who only wish to work part-time, the workers who are on the "edge" of society's idea of what constitutes the norm for gender expression or body type or sexuality, the workers who want to "only" provide X and Y services, but not Z services? You are not advocating protection for those workers. You're advocating a tiered system that would only feed into the stigmatization and marginalization faced by workers. And yes, I do believe we should be advocating from the position of and consideration for the less priviledged because historically they have been the ones to bear the majority of the criminalization, stigmatization, and marginalization compared to other sectors within the sex trade. Additional Comments: Alright, I can make comparisons all night: If Sally wants to start babysitting and offers her services for $5/hr, and Jimmy, Sue, and Polly all have been babysitting for a number of years, is it then fair for the three of them to dictate Sally's prices? What if Sally has no experience, but the other three do? What if Sally comes from a single-family home and understands that not all families come from the same socio-economic backgrounds as the other three children? Your experience is different from mine. That doesn't make it any more or less valid, and doesn't mean you are a fountain of wisdom that trumps mine every time. We are coming at this from different angles, the only difference is that you are only considering the indoor workers, and yes, that would be *more* priviledged workers. Including other providers, who do so out of motivation for their own interests. Saying that we need to protect these poor, disadvantaged women who don't know what they are getting into is really invalidating and infantilizing. Provide guidance should people wish to access those support services, but don't presume to know what is best for everyone or what everyone "should" do. By dictating a mandatory minimum, which, let's face it, would come from the position of an indoor worker, you would be sentencing those who cannot command those prices to work illegally, unsafely, and in the darkness. That is not protecting those providers.

Trust is a two way street:) If I can trust you to come into my space then you should be able to trust me to come to yours. If a lady is reputable, has a trail, website, reco's etc, then why the worry? The largest part of our business model is discretion and trust. Happy hobbying:)

I saw her. She is lovely and wonderful just like all the other girls from VIPOTG. I really do not think you can go wrong with any girl from there and you should take a chance and go see one.

Doing a Google image search, at least 3 pics are from Penthouse magazine, so personally I would stay FAR away from there.

Of course they do. It is definitely a case-by-case basis. I also have clients with disabilities (both visible and invisible) and their disposable income is limited. Some of my clients save for upwards of a year to be able to afford to come and see me. Never has one of these clients asked for change, or come unprepared for our meeting. In fact, there is quite a lot of preparation that goes into these encounters (both on my part, and on the part of my client). I'm sorry you feel a lot of the generalizations in this thread are judgmental and unkind. I can definitely see how that could come across but I don't agree that the judgments are necessarily negative. Feeling uncomfortable in these situations is a very real feeling, and we all have knee-jerk reactions to the intersections of intimacy and money which may or may not be rational. Of course, if I knew one of my clients was in dire financial situations I would not judge him or her for asking for their $10. I would, however, take offense to someone who was not in dire financial need who did the same. These are all case-by-case situations, of course, and the OPs initial question was, after all, asking for a general idea of what peoples reactions would be (not specifics). I think Porthos' post gets at the core of the issue quite well, and so I won't repeat it.

From my perspective.... If a lady says your visit is valued at $370, you put $370 in the envelope and that's it. Period. You knew up front - there was no "guesstimate" involved. I suspect you will travel past a store or bank or gas station or ?? and be able to break a $20 (or get the correct change) if it's an issue for you between your location, and the lady's. Generally speaking, you enter the lady's location, hug/kiss and place the envelope with your previously agreed amount in clear view. You enjoy your encounter and leave. Simple. For the most part, the ladies I have met rarely touch the envelope until I leave. Perhaps they peek when I go to clean up, which is fine, but it usually, is right where I placed it when I came in, throughout the encounter and when I leave. In my opinion, asking for change is just plain tacky. But, that's just this man's opinion :)

When it snows next week, it will now be Officially Your Fault. :)

Waking up with someone:) All nighters are fun:)

Cleaner than the rest? No one is going to show anyone health records and realistically after having a clean test the next one might not be and in that time a man might have been with 4-6-10 girls, so how would he know which one was guilty? As Lee Richards said maintain your own health, learn all you need to know and play as safe as you see fit, or don't play at all. Life is full of risks, you'll never be 100% assured of anything other than you're going to die at some point and your taxes are due by end of April yearly;), lol.

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While--generally--it is not a good idea to generalize, and though I can see how it would be frustrating, try to see it from the lady's perspective and it might not seem so personal. I don't think any lady here would say that every young person is immature. And age doesn't always bring wisdom, and no doubt there are older fellows who cause just as much aggravation. But if a lady finds that a given demographic is more inclined to no-show, haggle, or just not make for as good an overall experience, then at the end of the day it's her call to decide just to make a rule not to see anyone of a certain age. Yes, this probably means also missing out on some good potential clients, but that's not disrespect, it's simply her right. Most of us probably don't realize the degree of presumption and time-wasters a lady has to deal with on a regular basis, so we can't begrudge anything that makes them feel more comfortable or makes their day-to-day a bit easier. Show that you don't take it personally, be patient, and follow the excellent advice already given to you, and I've no doubt you'll have a chance to prove yourself and find a lady you can have a great experience with.

Your asked for feedback, and started a thread which is going to elicit honest discussion and comments about the themes many of us providing sexual services experience with men seeking our services. Those themes inevitably result in generalizations to achieve a very particular task, which in this case was to unpack the various reasons why some SPs choose not to see men under a certain age. I don't see any disrespect happening here. And, if you truly feel that you exude respect and maturity, consider taking the advice graciously given here about how to tactfully approach service providers in seeking their company. Good luck! Anna

Because, sadly, you are in age bracket, where a fair amount of people ask for discounts. Using the excuse that "I'm a hot stud, you should give me a discount", "I am young and it won't be as gross as a 50 years old balding man" I know it may sound cliche, but sadly it is often more than norm than not