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When you are paying for an intimate encounter that involves sharing both your and someone elses' body, you are in fact negotiating and haggling over the value of a PERSON which is not the same as haggling a better price on an air conditioner or lawn rake. Inanimate objects bought and sold have a cost associated and most have mark up's. This is not the same as a person who is taking the time to clean and straighten, shower, do hair and make up, chose clothing and give the best experience possible. Never reduce a person to an inanimate object. Buy a blow up doll or fleshlight instead if that is the value you have for another person, including yourself.

I am one to plan ahead and as I have been touring for a long time the more notice the better. These days far too many ladies plan trips on short notice and give no account of the ones that plan in advance and it causes bad blood. I personally have zero respect for the ladies that can't be bothered to give at least a few weeks notice on a tour, especially after the majority of us plan for weeks. Book in advance and advertise and you trip will be successful, book on short notice and your trip will probably take a loss - just a personal perspective.

I have asked this question before and the answer is definitely no there is no way to block a specific person from viewing your profile without completely crippling the access to it for everyone else and losing the visibility to potential clients. I am not sure of the complexity to make this happen but it really would be a feature I would love to see added. With the nature of this site and of this industry I have attracted on occasion creepy messages from members that made me very uncomfortable. It would be great to be able to filter them out to feel that one notch safer. Xoxo Kelly

Ramble on RG, it's all good, lol. Seriously though, it is so true. To the guys who do this, some things to remember. YOU called her, YOU requested the service, YOU are the one looking for this. She did not initiate contact or try to hard sell (pun very much intended) you. Trying to haggle is rude, disrespectful and utterly pointless. Go back to where ever it is that you get that "better deal" or go home. When you have contacted a lady that offers a much better experience than you are obvious accustomed to, expect to compensate her accordingly. As a matter of fact, bring extra for the tip you should need to give for this wonderful experience. They might not want to come work in the oil patch if they don't like inflation. As for generalizing, it's usually not a good idea but, in this case, it seems to be a trend. ps. My guess is the ones who haggle are the ones who can afford it anyway. That seems to be my experience in all walks of life. I get it with my work as a plumber too.

I tried a 30 min one time and found it was over way too fast so no, 15 mins for me would never happen. I rarely, if ever , book 60 mins anymore. It is usually 90 or 120 or longer. I find myself wanting more than the wham, bam thank you maam. I'm talking about something more than just getting off. There has to be some connection. A mutual feeling that comes from both parties involved. I don't mean some love thing here. After all, we know what this is, but there is an emotional, sensual connection that comes with a good sexual encounter. It's human nature and to deny that makes this all meaningless so why spend the money. I see many providers' ads that talk of an experience that encompasses body, mind and soul so it seems there is more to this for you ladies out there too. Most times I've talked to a provider about encounters, they seem to be put off by guys coming in just for quick sex, getting off and leaving. Cumming and going, as it were. It's probably why some ladies prefer to see 40-50-60's guys, (besides them being financially secure). Making money is the goal for most of you, obviously, but enjoyment in what you are doing has to be important. Believe me, if you don't enjoy it, we can tell (despite what you may think of us horndawgs).

Things that will make me cranky if you contact me and do them: 1. one word texts. e.g. hi 2. using terms of endearment when we've never met. e.g. hun, sweetie, baby 3. trying to negotiate the rate after I've said it's not negotiable 4. asking if I do bareback full service 5. Via email, asking if I'm available now Things that will make me cranky in person: 1. bad breath 2. dirty hands 3. body odour 4. cheese dick (this one will get you kicked right out of my incall because it is honestly the grossest thing ever and an affront to my senses, not to mention disrespectful) 5. asking for bareback sex 6. asking for my real name 7. asking for future discounts because "you'll be my regular" 8. washing your dick in the sink and getting water everywhere. If you're that dirty, just get in the shower. 9. sucking on my clit like you're some sort of sexual vacuum cleaner. 10. talking shit and/or gossiping about other providers

I think that right there is the whole key to this conversation. Really well said, Ms. Nicolette. There is no such thing as perfection and people have to realize that. I never go into this expecting some fantasy that is, frankly, unattainable. I do, however, understand (and appreciate) that you ladies have to put your best "side" out there because you are obviously trying to attract potential customers. We, as clients, just have to realize this and understand the dynamic of advertising. I think we do but sometimes forget when it comes to this particular industry. (little brain fogs big brain and our idiot asses go off half-cocked into lala land)

While professional pictures are nice to present, they are extremely hard to live up even if you are already an attractive by regular standards..without the makeup, lighting, etc. You cannot carry photographer's lighting to create the same look. To expect a person to look the exact same way in the picture is ridiculous. However, using pictures like that often times can produce too many high expectations. I've been using pictures I have taken myself for the last few years and people tell me I look better in person. There isn't as much pressure and I can look like myself. The only thing that changes with me from time to time is the blonde shade of my hair and the length. As for only capturing the positive side in a picture, isn't that the point? Afterall, there is a level of professionalism that we need to aspire to. I'm certainly nowhere near perfect yet I know I'm attractive but that doesn't mean I should deny catching the beautiful aspects of myself. Don't expect the exact same picture. Small things such as different hairstyles or varying shades of color change in the course of 3- 6 months but that certainly doesn't qualify as a bait and switch. The key is to have realistic expectations and understand that we're not magazine cover models. If a person is building the SP up to be a fantasy and then disappointed by the outcome, the SP should not entirely be at fault unless of course she's using fake pictures or ones she knows she can't live up to.

Since I am from Montreal (born and raised) and since I've been a companion for a few years and have experienced different markets (local, out of town, out of province markets), I can tell you this: - The Montreal adult/SP industry is over saturated and has been for quite a long time - To stay competitive, a lot of ladies (but not all) and agencies will drop their price and offer more "services". This is where the supposed VFM (value for money) comes in. A fair amount of the guys all want the "best", the most beautiful (whatever that is), the most reviewed, the most popular, the most (insert whatever you'd like here), the most services included in the price and that, for the cheapest rate possible. The mentality is: If I can have sex with (insert lady's name here) that is highly reviewed and is (insert her qualities here) and provides (insert all the services here), why should I pay a penny more for someone else? If the lady they are contacting doesn't fit that "perfect" standard and doesn't hold that same "status", then they think they should be paying less for her. Not for her time but for her (yeah, lovely). Just read some other boards and you'll see what I'm talking about. My general observation is that these guys are just looking to "get off" with someone who they think is "hot" (and not much else), for as little as possible.. Are Montreal men cheap? No, not at all but when it comes to the SP industry, some will pick according to perceived VFM and some will pick the actual lady they are truly interested in spending time with. I guess this is true and can be said about many other large cities too.

This type of bargaining is not limited to the Quebecois or people from Montreal or Gatineau or la belle province period. When guys talk like this, I say to them that perhaps they best wait until they are back in their home town to see a lady and bid them a nice day. Likewise I have had gentlemen from Montreal who drove 2 hours to see me and not once tried to bargain my rate. So I personally don't tend to generalize about clients from Montreal or Quebec period. I have had plenty of guys from right here in Ottawa say the same thing to me. Well so and so only charges this. Or I can get it in Montreal for this. Same response - then go see them. Bargain hunters are everywhere and it has nothing to do with the "supposed going rate" (which in my opinion does not exist). But yes, if you peruse the ads for Montreal, rates vary according to provider and services just like anywhere else.

Everyone does -clients and providers want to be seen in the best light, so we ALL have to realize no one is as described or pictured. As it's impossible to see all in pics and a verbal description is different for everyone. No one minds eye sees the same thing:) Clients are guilty of describing and pushing their best attributes as well and in my experience many over sell themselves. I've met more than a few men that did not match the description they provided me. Some were much older, younger, some that described being muscular were thin and normal, others said to be "carrying a few extra pounds" were obese, some eyes weren't as described, heights different and some who described themselves as business men looked more blue collar. I am accepting of all types and appreciate all looks but an awful lot of men tend to verbally airbrush themselves:( I'm not sure if this would be a simple case of we all see things differently or arrogance of thinking you are more than you are, or perhaps both:) Mind you it is easier for women to enhance their looks giving an impression that we are more than we actually are. Many here wear hair extensions, have had breast enhancements, wear heels, lol,, I've had men tell me I was shorter without them, duhh!!! Obviously when you take off 4-5 inch heels you are going to be 4-5 inches shorter, lol. A lot where makeup and a lot of making out is going to remove that so your girl won't look as "neat" after a playtime, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Some where padded bras, corsets that cinch in waists, some change their hair color. In the end, as it's supposed to be, or so it's said it's supposed to be, we are all attracted to one another beyond the physical, if there has been some conversing and chemistry developed that is;) If someone is going to see someone solely based on a picture and verbal description, solely because of their looks, or one or the other, in most cases be prepared to be disappointed or happily surprised, but never expect what you expect:).

Educate me please-can you block SPECIFIC individuals from visiting profile pages and if so how? If I block it seems to block all and if I put them on my ignore list it just blocks me from seeing their posts . I want to be able to block only those who seem to want to visit me but not allow the same courtesy, so I'd appreciate some help, I've searched but can't find anything. Now remember, you are talking to a computer idiot!

Now before I open my mouth I want to say that I love Montreal and the Quebecquois and that this isn't a put down but a sincere question and observation and that there are exceptions, but in general it's my experience independently and when I was involved with services, that Quebec men, especially Montreal men never want to pay "the going rate" for an encounter, they seem to expect more for less when here.... why? A typical response I've always gotten was I can get it in Montreal for $$ so... But if that were the only reason then I'd think that the many other well travelled gents that call and can get it for $$ in Thailand, Germany, N.B or where ever would be saying the same thing?

I don't get in to much discussion but it is so obvious and simple, I had to add my 2 cents (taken form RG)... Why even have a debate on this. If I make a 'Rendez-Vous' for 14:00, I will be there for 14:00... Not 13:55, not 14:05... Arriving early is not being a Gentleman and arriving late you are on your own time... It's that simple. Spare me the 'my watch says'.... or 'the hotel room clock'... most people have a cell phone. The time on my cell will be the same as the Lady. If she decides for some reasons to have you staying longer, BONUS!!!! Stop complaining people... Enjoy, life is too short for always complaining. It's a give and take! Smile and love! Just saying!!!!!

Your next lesson, Grasshopper, is this. If it's not fun and you can't dance to it don't do it. :)

I believe it is best to arrive just at the appointment time. That 'five minutes' early is also the lady's 'freshen up' time. Follow the lady's lead - they'll usually give you an indication. waterat

Just a reminder that we're not supposed to discuss rates on cerb, but just so you know, my hourly incall Ottawa rate less than what you have quoted in your opinion as "the going rate". I suggest you tread lightly with this topic because you will never get everyone to agree with that the "going rate" is, in Ottawa, Halifax or anywhere else. My last word on a very delicate subject.

In User CP -> Profile Privacy In the pulldown for each group, there's an option for "Registered members". It's what I'm using for everything except for "profile picture".

I think that would be a good idea. Then only registered users are are looking at profiles. If people aren't willing to sign on, why have the privilege of being able to browse? As for the blocking thing, I don't quite understand why we would register, create a profile, post on a message board and then not allow others to view said profile but yet expect to view their profile. It doesn't seem right and I agree with Cristy, there should be a way to do the same to those.

Very well stated Cristy. I agree completely. Never expect exactly what you see. There are too many factors that go into the photos. Especially if the shots seem to be professional ones. For face pics, top notch makeup people will often do a makeover that the woman can never recreate for herself. And photographers can often get just the perfect angles and shots that hide even the smallest imperfections. Honestly, the photos aren't the thing that gets me when looking for an encounter. It's the wording and the sincerity that comes through. I look for wit, intelligence and confidence. I don't need the generic " hot babe" "will rock your world" drivel that many ads seem to have in them. There is an art to the spoken or written word that I find attractive. If you can capture that art, you can capture our attention and even the guys who are more visual will subconsciously feel that. For example, I read Cristycurves webpage and was blown away before even looking at the gallery. Trust me, these things are a huge turn-on.

Hi Roaminguy, I do have some clients (819 clients as we call them as a matter of fact) that do live paycheque to paycheque and struggle but have never asked me lo lower my wages but rather tell me I am saving my money to cum and see U. Of course, they don't cum see me every week but I admire them and when they cum and see me I really do give them the experience of a lifetime until they cum and see me again!

Getting flashbacks to the negotiating thread. Just because in life some businesses and services are open to negotiating DOESN'T mean every business and service is open to negotiating. And especially in this lifestyle, the ladies operate a business and provide a very unique service, unlike any other. So SP's do not nor should not get compared to other businesses, theirs is a very unique business and profession. The ladies who let a "man" haggle with him so he can have an encounter as cheap as possible are likely those who live paycheque to paycheque, and need the money to make rent, pay bills, put food on the table and so on. Those ladies aren't financially in a position to refuse the haggler. They are economically forced to put up with the hagglers, and the hagglers exploit, yes exploit these ladies Gentlemen in this lifestyle should be paying the lady's rate in full. If they can't afford her rate, then don't call the lady. That way she is free to book another client, one who will pay in full, no haggling. Haggling is akin to shortchanging the lady. How would any of these hagglers like it if they were shortchanged by their employers and they had problems paying the bills because of it Whether just unique to Montreal or not I don't know. But if the lady charges a going rate, that is what is paid. It's not complicated, not rocket science, just respect, common sense and common decency. A morning rambling from someone who doesn't haggle RG

But this isn't any business and negotiating in THIS business is frowned upon, considered rude and not wanted. Because a person gets a lot of negotiators doesn't necessarily mean their rates are to high, it simply means they get contacted by a lot of ill mannered, cheap men. I won't say dumb because smart men negotiate as well:)

I honestly don't understand how guys can text the "hey baby" thing. It's so disrespectful, imo. I could see an opening conversation starting with that being a total turnoff for you ladies. Most of the turn-offs I read in this thread are pretty obvious ones and a guy would have to be pretty stupid not to realize that.

Ladies and Gents, I'd be delighted to invite you to come celebrate my birthday with me!!! Tease Inc. 5029 Bank 8pm-? See you there!!! xo

That this site is geared towards keeping things positive. That the majority of us can have discussions on matters with completely different point of views-in a civilized manner. And that we also have the opportunity to get to learn and know more about other members on this site :)

Re opening my account on CERB! Missed you guys a bunch! Happy to be back ;) :boobies:

At the end of the day, no matter what type of business people are involved in, self employed or not, we all go to work because we want to earn a paycheck/make money so we can meet our weekly/monthly obligations (and then some). We all have the same motivations; I do not know of anyone who would gladly go to work 4-5-6 days a week for free (unless they are volunteering for something). BUT and here's my big BUT, some people are happy with only looking at the bottom line as long as it pays their bills while others care about much more than that: looking forward to going to work, loving what we do, feeling happy and comfortable and actually enjoying ourselves while earning that paycheck. In the SP context, some ladies will be happy to provide a quick, straight forward service to whomever. On the other hand, some of us rather offer an unrushed experience where a connection (and compatibility) is present. It's not just about the money. It's about much more than that. Two different extremes, two different worlds. There is no wrong or right here. We all have our reasons for doing what we do and how we get there is also very personal. As always, to each their own (and yes, I mean it just in case someone decides to insinuate otherwise). It's great that you have found what works for you and your clients. You (and them) seem to be on the same page and that's awesome! :) Many of the gentlemen who look for that connection are married or are in a relationship (and yes, some are single too) but it doesn't mean they are looking to get divorced or find a new girlfriend or a new best friend. They are simply looking for more than the exchange of fluids or sexual acts during an encounter ;) From a companion that finds one hour appointments too rushed and stressful and loves to establish that connection with her future patrons and cultivate the current one :) xox

I'm always amazed that wearing a condom for oral is even an issue anymore. Seldom does a client even realize I've put the condom on him until things get serious. I can't count the number of men who have stopped me and asked me to put one on when I straddle for little cowgirl. It's fun to watch them reach down for a feel to ensure it's there because they didn't feel it during the oral. A little planning ahead and voila! If a CoB finish has been requested then it disappears without them seeing or feeling it come off as well. I couldn't imagine a playdate without oral. It's the jump off point where I do my initial inspection and decide what's on the menu for the visit then roll into other activities. It's the perfect opportunity to get him suited up so no matter what our next activity is, we are ready to rumble with no time wasted fumbling with the wrapper or figuring out which side is up! My routine is so pat that I can feel the right side of the condom with my tongue but can't see it without my glasses on and fumbling for readers just doesn't keep my juices flowing... cat

I am 62 years old and have limited experience but I can tell you Cristy Curves & Sierra make you feel like you are in your 20s.

I sort of agree with U Waterat but wouldn't mind a gentleman showing up 5 min before especially is he's a regulard and I know he will do it all the time but still I would accept it just to have the feeling of a freshly washed and nice smell man body on mine!!! I do have some gentlemen telling me I will be off work and would need to freshen before we R together and I have their bath poured (my shower is not working any longer sincey they fixed my bath issues!!!!) and they just need to cum in we DFK and they get into the bathtub! Freshen up and then fun time starts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We much prefer freshly washed gentlemen and huuummmm it's so damn nice to smell a nice clean body and.... attribute!!!! Barbara xxxxooo

I completely agree with cristy and Peachy. I find it strange that some people want to see others' profile page and yet they have blocked others to see theirs. Do they have something to hide ? I think it is just common courtesy. The mod should make some changes to this.

You don't have to convince me on this. I agree. I'll put it this way, in the culture I grew up with, everything was negotiated on. This led to services and goods having an inflated price in anticipation for the bargaining. I've noticed that in North America, bargaining is something that people genuinely are uncomfortable with it (and I'm not talking about buying a car, or a house). My parents were probably one of the very few who hated the concept, and I grew up the same. But since you said this: In my last post I mentioned that I have to deal with the occasional hagglers. What I didn't say was that those clients have almost exclusively been from a particular part of the world (where I came from actually). As a new immigrant, and gradually over the years, I've noticed that Quebec culture is very different from the rest of US and Canada. I can't speak on the exact matter on negotiating, but with what you mentioned about Montreal men, one can conclude that either Montreal is full of cheap men, or there is a cultural aspect that drives this, or something completely different. You asked why, and just putting forward a theory that seems a bit familiar. My two pennies.

Cristy....i don't think you can do it but I agree....you should be able to only allow people with open profiles to visit your profile.... I an 100% with you.

Well put Tracie. And being a professional companion is more than, at least in my experience and opinion, just being a provider of sex. A lady has to give of herself metaphorically speaking, body mind and soul. That is why no two encounters are the same, each is unique. Even repeat encounters with the same companion, well they evolve and grow. What the donation is for is for the lady's time, confidentiality and for no strings attached. But with that said, an encounter has a value far exceeding what the lady asks for in donation If a potential client can't or won't pay the lady's donation, then like Tracie said, get a blow up doll, fleshlight, or just some lubricant (or spit) and your hand. Don't devalue a lady though because your cheap Another rambling RG

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I totally agree with U Karina and that's when and how that buffer time cums in where U take time just for U washing, breathing and answering calls, texts and or emails. Busy days can indeed be ectic as a SP and as a non clock watcher as U seem to also be it can be a nightmare to figure out how to sqeeze all gentlemen in a schedule but hey aren't we queens at that chérie !!!! Big hugs and kisses darling! Barbara xxxxooo

@ Blue Hornet: sadly, I haven't seen Ariel in ages. The last time I was at Barb's I hung out exclusively with Belle, but there were lots of other hotties there too. I'm not as plugged in to the Barb's scene as I used to be.

Use thin condoms and put a little lube inside the tip. If you're any good, he won't know the difference.

I'm from the U.S., so where does that put me? lol I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so does beauty really transcend borders?

Just my two cents ....and i'm not an SP so i may have no idea what I am talking about but I'm not sure ths is a Quebec thing.... I think there are disrespectful guys in all parts of Canada who would never think to haggle with other service providers but think it's ok for sex industry workers... Just my opinion

When I was looking for a CERB Name i thought back to my university days..... i was lucky enough to hook up with a beautiful girl who asked me to put an ice cube in my mouth when I performed oral on her.... i have to say it pretty nice I mainly because of the sheer joy she got from it. She used to joke around and call me her ice man. We were in some if the same classes and both were dating other people so our fun times were kept pretty low key... from time to time she would simply hand me a note with "Ice 4 Fun" and a time on it and we would hook up.. (Sidenote....yes I am that old... hand written notes... it was before cell phones, texting and emails... back in the say when cheating took real work lol)... so when I needed an online handle Ice4fun seemed like a good one.

Visited barbs last night, probably stayed longer than should have but really enjoyed myself with the girls, and saw a few: Belle - amazing! Dakota - cute little blonde with a great body. Danica (I believe)- tall, curvy and solid... One of my fav body types... Cute little laugh and fun to be with.... Very attractive. And a couple others but don't remember their names lol

for me the time should start when the client says hello to the provider. The provider is offering time. When you go to a lawyer or accountant, the clock starts as soon as you sit down

Okay.......If that is what you want...........I am game.......