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I have read the entire tread and if I have done any of those to any gents I have met and they read this..I apologize in advance(I know I have been guilty to not reply fast enough at time due to my travels) I personally do not like the babe Hun etc name when I never met someone however it seem it the new type of intro some guys do. I try in general not to use those words as I hate them... My usual reply to text like that is Hello it's Victoria ..how can I help you ? I know it may sound cold however nice introduction always help to smooth a convo

One that is a turn off for me is when the SP and I are in the "act" and she begins to tell me to "cum for me baby" right after the act has begun. I really enjoy the intimacy of two people intertwined and I like this to last a little longer than 60 secs. As I am a little older now, it ain't going to happen in 60 secs. but this can be a real turn off for me, even to the point of wilting, if you know what I mean.

They know that. They also know that any legal challenge to the laws will take a decade, more or less, before the SCC rules on it... by which time it'll be someone else's problem. This isn't an effort to solve any problems. It's just kicking the can down the road.

Gents there is a phone number posted on this ad . Why not call and ask the correct questions ? Even better stick with a recommended Cerb lady . I am not trying to say Cerb ladies are the only answers to your prayers . However as some one that does not have the opportunity to be on here as much as I should I continuously see questions about this lady or that one from another site . Guys you already have a really good idea about most of the ladies on here and if you don't I bet its pretty easy to find out via PM. It always astounds me to see you novice and senior hobbyists questioning ladies from other sites and they are sometimes sketchy with quite a low donation . More than many times I see that gents have been burned and disappointed with the time spent with these bargains. Gee on a larger scale when I was younger and wanted to travel to exotic destinations I " dreamed of a less expensive place and hoped I'd have a wonderful vacation. Alas it was usually a pipe dream. Now I book only high quality and proven resorts . These past few years have been my best vacations . I expect quality and I pay for quality . Some how I have not been able to find a " cheap bargain " Food for thought!

The Hun, dear, sweets, pet names don't bother me. They are actually quite endearing. Lack of attentiveness (seeming preoccupied), televisions blaring or cell phones ringing make me feel less than important and in some way unwelcome. Soft music, candles etc. have the opposite effect on me. A lady not seeming to be ready when I arrive - "wait, I'll only be a minute" or a messy incall are also turnoffs. To much perfume or sickly sweet air fresheners (usually used to disguise tobacco smoke) are also a turnoff.

Ladies can call me whatever works for them, it is the service that I enjoy. Biggest turn-off at the beginning, is being told to wait... and wait and wait. Not a great start. I would say the next is the absence of some basic services that I thought we agreed to. Kissing, Daty, etc. Anyway, I tried to avoid this by asking more questions, but think sometimes this might irritate the ladies. Additional Comments: Ladies can call me whatever works for them, it is the service that I enjoy. Biggest turn-off at the beginning, is being told to wait... and wait and wait. Not a great start. I would say the next is the absence of some basic services that I thought we agreed to. Kissing, Daty, etc. Anyway, I tried to avoid this by asking more questions, but think sometimes this might irritate the ladies.

This site ONLY allows positive comments in public posts. If you do not have anything positive to say about a SP (or anything for that matter) when someone asks please simply say nothing at all. You can PM them if you wish with PRIVATE INFO but do not post publicly. You CAN NOT POST comments like I do not recommend Info on other site don't do it! stay away not worth it etc... etc.... etc......... That is NOT what this site is for. YES we know some of you would like it to be and YES we know some of you feel it is your god given right to post whatever you want on our members only board but the truth is... our house our rules and we DO NOT want it here. If you must read negative comments or if you must post negative comments then please do so on OTHER websites... or start your own. Do not PM me after I give you a warning or infraction telling me how I should run the site either (This is especially annoying with new members) yes of course mr. 1 post guy you can tell me how we should run the site you are so helpful! (NOT!) If you don't like our rules... start your own website and let us enjoy this one.

By being here or writing reviews after the Nordic model comes to pass

To me, Seduction is... A powerful aphrodisiac... It is the build up of sensual tension, the anticipation of pleasure to come... Seduction is a connection between 2 souls... If you seek the right chemistry, allow yourself to be seduced first... ;-)

I just love how succulent they are :) Additional Comments: I also love hearing a woman enjoying having them licked and sucked...Plus it helps get my tongue warmed up LOL :)

As will you, apparently. I can't speak to pimping; I have not directly experienced or witnessed such a thing. However, I did know a provider who preferred not to see blue (because really, what does the specific race matter?) male clients, because she had once been assaulted by a blue man. It wasn't explicitly advertised that she wouldn't see blue men, but she could often ascertain a client's race via screening methods. She knew that she didn't want to take the risk of having a client who would remind her of her assailant. I also knew a provider who came from a small, close-knit community, and preferred not to see clients from that same community, because she didn't want to risk encountering someone who might know her in "real" life. So, let's not jump to conclusions. There are a myriad of reasons why someone might choose to exclude certain clients.

I don't think you have anything to worry about just yet. The bill has to pass through Parliament & then Senate so it's not a done deal. I think the constitutionality of a new bill (especially this one) will be under the microscope. LE probably don't make any investigative moves retroactively prior to new law being enacted. They would be chasing their tails trying to prove criminal activity before something is actually considered a criminal offense. They also have to decide how to enforce new law. Will they use this forum as a tracker tool - they probably already do but so what?.... How many Senators (remember Wilbur Keon?), Ministers, Politicians, Backroom boys are clients themselves? What do you wanna bet those guys are gonna be chewing their nails about keeping their jobs if they pass an unpopular or stupidly draconian bill.

I'm guilty of not visiting my favorite groups often but, dog lovers in particular doesn't get any attention, imo, as do many:( So I stopped going, perhaps it's time to visit more:)

The common point that people make is that sp's are more informed and vigilant - some are and some are not It's often compared against picking up women in clubs who are less informed. Anyone giving bbbjs is in contact with potentially infected tissue More often than can reasonably be assumed when u r meeting some one in a bar I also don't thjnk that wanting information is ever really an issue wanting to be informed is the best way to protect every body's health.

Yes it will take time, I agree...BUT it s also going to take time for me to make my own changes. I would see my lawyer as I need to understand and prepare to make changes for my business. I am an agency in a very small town, so if they are going through with Nordic model I need to know exactly what "benefiting off others" is going include. Not just the girls who work here that pay me their fee, but also to the person I am paying my rent to. This is not the case for INDY providers, but I strongly feel agency's can become a target for them to watch closely, whereas I am stationary and do not travel it would be much easier for LE to gather info and harass my clients. Granted, they have their hands full with looking at the agency's who cause disturbances, minors etc. Besides, should it not be expected that I would, as a business owner who have many people depending on the fact I keep myself in the know, to protect the people that surround my business and especially protecting my clients that come and go from my location? It's the whole reason I have a lawyer in the first place.

Nordic Model proponents do not really believe that it's "okay" to sell sexual services. In fact, quite the opposite. The ideology believes that all sex workers are victims of male violence, pimps, mental issues, and "the patriarchy". It's grandiose purpose is unabashedly the complete outright abolition of sex work. It's plan is to achieve this by scaring clients from buying sexual services (with criminalisation), and therefor ending all demand for sexual services. Those who want to introduce a Nordic Model style of law to Canada believe that through basic legislation and criminalisation, Canada will be the only place on earth without prostitution. Here is a simple fact sheet about why we strongly oppose the failed Nordic model: http://chezstella.org/docs/Infosheets/En/ciminalizing_the_purchase_140322.pdf And here is a fact sheet about the "New Zealand model", which we propose (full decriminalisation of sex work): http://chezstella.org/docs/Infosheets/En/new_zealand_140322.pdf And yes, post Bedford decision, a Nordic style law will be challenged, and will not pass constitutional muster. Canada will have decriminalisation of sex work, maybe soon, maybe in 15 years. Truth is, clients are already criminalised through bawdy house laws and solicitation laws. They do not stop clients from purchasing sexual services, and the SCC said those laws were unconstitutional. This kind of law would be too. I'm really waiting to see what the new legislation will be, before getting ahead of myself though. It's coming down this week.

The new legislation is being presented this week. Let's wait to see what the new legislation actually IS, before we get ahead of ourselves. I'll post again when it comes down, along with a brief from our Canadian sex worker rights legal team about what it will actually mean for all of us. Follow or check out @CDNSWAlliance for all the latest. This is an alliance of all the main sex worker advocacy and rights groups from across the country. You don't need to have a Twitter account to see their tweets or click the links they post.

All-in you are 100% correct!. Usually they are up to no good and are looking for girls to pimp. I've experience this myself so I stay away.

Hi everyone, I just read this and I would like to clarify a few things. I believe like many have said, there are many reasons for SPs to prefer a certain clientele but please let's not generalize about black males being "pimps", "lacking hygiene" or not "being respectful" cause that happens with all races. And I speak from experience. Again, an SP has the right to choose the clientele she's comfortable with but I find such prejudice based on skin color very unfair and many black males that are very respectful suffer from this misconception. For your information, there are also black males that are safe, professionals, respectful, polite & definitely not pimps. Let's keep our eyes open to avoid the bad guys, but let's not generalize. Thank you

I think I just cleaned out Amazon's stock of sex work literature.

Prefer not to see blue...whew for a second I thought you were talking about LE, and I would never get a date again LOL Seriously, in my early days of partaking in this lifestyle, there was a lady I wanted to meet. She had age restrictions (I believe it 40 up) and you needed to state where you worked, lived and your profession. Me being a newbie, was curious, and just asked, out of curiosity (and to learn) Well she was a university student and didn't want to run into any fellow students or staff. And the city she was in was small so without those screening questions she likely could have run into a student or professor or other university staff Was she discriminating against students, and university staff, or providing herself some measure of privacy outside her worklife (after all she doesn't want to be the talk of the university) considering the intimate encounter she offers. Unfortunately she retired (or graduated) before I could meet her But it is another case of screening, albeit not because of race, that a lady uses and for very valid reasons IMHO A rambling RG

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Thanks for the mention Gntlmn It is true that I have what are commonly call "meat curtains" It's more to love!

Ive seen her and had a fun time

There will be a current and former sex-worker only social from 7:30 p.m. - 9:30 p.m. on Wednesday June 4th (tomorrow). It is open to sex-workers from any sector of the industry including erotic massage, escorts, cam workers, erotic dancers, people who offer BDSM services, phone workers, agency workers, and independents, etc. It is also open to any person of any gender and sexual orientation. There will be vegan, vegetarian, and gluten-free snacks available. Please feel free to drop by for 15 minutes and then leave, or stay for the entirety of the two hours. Please PM me for the location (same location as usual). Again, this is for workers only (current and former). Thanks, Nat xox Additional Comments: It would seem the new legislation that will regulate sex work in Canada will be tabled tomorrow by Peter MacKay. That being said, I will bring copies of the bill, as well as a synopsis from PIVOT Legal Society (really awesome people), and general information about what it might mean, etc.

Well, the survey was... interesting. They start with an overview of the legal models relating to sex work, but unaccountably omit the one that exists in Canada at the moment. They consider all responses to be received from Canadian individuals, unless the response self-identifies as being from a foreigner or a group. They make no mention of the possibility of duplicate responses. I really can't see the point of this. The problems with the survey are so bad as to make it meaningless. It doesn't even look like it's been properly rigged to ensure the "right" answer. I don't honestly think it has any purpose other than its own existence, so that the government can say, "Look! We did a survey!" IANAL, but I don't see the point, yet. There's no legislation even officially proposed, never mind far enough through the process that we can really see what it'll look like. And so there's still nothing concrete that your lawyer can give you advice about.

Be careful, I tried this once and got ripped off, I would give details but it's a tad embarrassing.

Sorry I have to disagree...lolol... i have seen women in Lululemon and naked... both are nice but definitely not the same.

Reading the comments is SO frustrating. Such ignorance and these are the people influencing the laws the government makes. We don't pay taxes, we're diseased, even if we're in by choice it's because the demons won or because we're poor and destitute or have a drug habit. We're out to desecrate people and relationships, I mean *ARGH*. So frustrating. Let's hope the Supreme Court is still on the ball as I have no faith in the government or the voices being heard over those of sex workers. Would have been nice to see a comment or two from them.

Guys who book to just cancel, seems to be a game some like to play. What they feel they accomplish doing this is beyond me, however, I do keep a bad date list and know that guys that do this have the character flaw, not I:)

Wow!!!...talk about a mountain out of a molehill Speaking of context, the post that out of one side of your mouth you found funny and representative of your thoughts yet in the next breath telling people to abstain from violent imagery. Here is OD's post in entirety (copied/pasted) not just a line taken out of context BTW the chilling imagery about "if she had been a bitch...." didn't come from OD, it came from you "Turn offs? Not many. At my age, I am always pleasantly surprised that a woman will not throw up when we are naked in the same room. These are more general observations than anything else. If there is any advice I can pass along, these would be a few things that I would suggest: 1. Time: Hobbyists are consistently reminded that they are not compensating a provider for a specific service, they are compensating her for her time. Keeping that in mind, the idea of "shoot and scoot" just doesn't fly. A two hour appointment should last two hours unless the hobbyist leaves early at HIS discretion, unless of course he has been a total dickhead. If he has been a dickhead, you have the right to kill him and dissolve his body in the bathtub. 2. Punctuality: These days, everybody has time pressures. As much frustration as it is for a provider when a client is late, it is equally as frustrating when a provider shows up late. Life happens. We all make mistakes. We all get delayed. Just remember, when things start on time, everyone is a lot more relaxed and happy. 3. Social Media Interaction: This is a biggie for me. Whether you are writing here on CERB, on Twitter or on a subscribed Blog, your words are a window into your provider personna. The most beautiful person becomes ugly if they express themselves in a hateful manner. It cuts both ways. Some providers use what we say here as a screening tool - they don't want to deal with assholes and misogynists. Keeping that in mind, we won't see you if you have shown that you don't respect us. We won't see you if you are mean spirited. We won't see you if you twist our words against us. Food for thought. 4. Live rabid monkeys: Don't have them in your incall. They are intimidating. 5. Divided Attention: Everybody has a life. Sometimes we have stuff on our minds that we can't shake. The mark of a true professional in ANY line of work is to put that stuff on a mental shelf and get through the day. It's especially true here, where intimacy is so much harder to achieve when a provider's mind is obviously elsewhere. 6. Unnecessary commentary: Eeeeek. This is a tough one. Have you ever been in an intimate moment that has an undertone of soft and romantic when all of a sudden the badly delivered porn movie dialogue starts? I'm getting the shivers of discomfort just thinking about it. Ohhhhh... and please. Don't speak if your mouth is full... mid BJ commentary is kind of a boner killer. 7. Turkey Bacon: Only if every pig on the planet has died of a horrific flesh eating disease will turkey bacon be acceptable. 8: Outside communication: Turn off your cell phone. Do it. Now. Unless you have a friend or family member that is dying, your attention is with me. I've ended two encounters early because the provider was constantly checking her messages. In virtually EVERY other business, that kind of behaviour would merit discipline or termination. It's a disservice to your professionalism if you can't give me our time. The person on the other end of the line is NOT paying you now. I am. 9: Talking badly about other providers: This is tough. It's a very competitive business. Like many other hobbyists, I don't necessarily provide reviews or recommendations for the majority of providers with whom I have spent my time. Keeping that in mind, you have no idea of the nature of my relationship with nearly any other provider. I may absolutely adore a provider that you have just torn a verbal strip from... and that really doesn't help your cause. 10: Just another client: The biggest mistake any provider can make is to treat a client like "just another client." I have chosen you because you represent something desirable. I have brought my hard earned cash with me because I think you are special. I sought you out because I think you are going to be wonderful to and with me. Treat me like more than a donation envelope. Act as if you want to be with me. Make me feel like you want ME. The best providers (and we have so many great ones) know that the encounter is so much more than an intermingling of moistened body parts. They understand that the fantasy is passion and desire. If you want hobbyists to respect the fact that you are so much more than just a series of desirable body parts, treat HIM like more than a penis with an envelope. Jeebus. I was on a roll there." OD takes the time and effort to write insightful posts with both good useful tips and a sense of humour at the same time. His writing is original and a contribution to this community Please OD continue with your humorous insightful posts. Most of us don't tear apart your posts to criticize them, we appreciate and value your contributions. Hell I wish I had your knack for humorous prose A rambling RG

Don't insult an SP by requesting this. If you feel there is too much risk for you to go see an SP, don't go see one. Anyone can get an STI, not just a service provider and this is a great way to never hear from an SP again. There is always risk and the only risk free way is abstaining from sexual activities and intercourse all together. Don't expect an SP to clear your mind where STDS are concerned. You are responsible for your own sexual health as is everyone else.

Some people worry and cringe and shrink Owing to fear of what people may think There is but one answer to worries like these People may think what the devil they please! Piet Hein

I'll jump in on behalf of Newfoundlanders. Terms of endearment are the norm here. You come to NL to visit and you could be "Hun", "sweetie", "my love", "my treasure" and "my darling" all in one day, from 5 different complete strangers. Lol Since I moved here 6 years ago, i have picked up this habit (ask Emily Rushton lol). But it is genuine and meant as a legitimate term of endearment. Food for thought :) xo

Use logic... I clearly meant that they (The strippers) found that those of that particular demographic (black) found within their place of employment (a strip club) generally purchased their services (private dances) as an excuse to try to rope them in to a managed arrangement (pimping). Want your own opinion? Head to Pigales or Barefax tonight and hang around the bar and listen to the conversations around you. Its hilarious how obvious they are at times.

It's been almost a couple years since I met my first companion, and though I only get the occasional chance to enjoy the company of one of the lovely ladies hereabouts, I feel like I've learned a lot in that time. I still remember how nervous I was contacting my first provider... I'm sure I made a few rookie mistakes... Luckily she was very welcoming and understanding... And my initial stunned shock... Soon enough gave way to pure bliss... And by the end I had been made to feel like a champion... So thank you to that first lady, and to those incredible ladies I've had the pleasure of meeting since, and to any whose company I may someday get the opportunity to share. Because though I may still sometimes feel pretty shy, the memories and anticipation you create leave me a bit more...well...animated. :) ........... So, anyone else have a story? Or (to have fun and keep it simple), anyone have that one image or gif that sums up how Cerb and the people you meet here make you feel?

As I read through these post I find myself agreeing with the comments but am even more struck by the fact that I have really not had many things to complain about.... my experience has been meeting great ladies who almost always go over and above in making sure I enjoy my time with them... on occasion I have been called cute names like Hun and baby and while on first impression I don't really live it... i find it really depends on how it is said .... then I also stop and think.... lol what's a lady to do... she's not coming up with cute names to piss us off but to try and make us feel special so it really never bothers me any more. I gave virtually no experience with no shows so that has not been a problem. The only real time I was upset was a time when a lady I only met once broke confidentially and discussed that I had seen her with another SP in my home area. I don't really care if the other lady knew who I had seen it was simply the fact that it was done intentionally to cause some drama. Never have or will see the lady again. I actually have been impressed by this industry... i gave mire problems with my bank and phone company than I do with ladies in this industry. Says something about the character of the ladies I have met. Thank You. Just my opinion

It's already been said, but I have to repeat it, "how are you hun?". If SP's could drop the word "hun" from their vocabulary altogether the world would be a better place :)

Who cares why a provider doesn't want a certain client? She had her reasons and they are entirely her own. It could be a million things that have nothing to do with racism

So, let's review. OP asks why some providers specify no black customers. Replies include because she's a bigot. She has an black "agent" (can we just be plain and call him a pimp?), blacks (not all but enough to warrant a rule) have cleanliness issues and haggle. Did I miss anything? You just know where I'm going with this, don't you? There's enough "judgemental" in this short thread to feed a family of four for a week. How about we go with the idea that the provider just chooses not to see black men for reasons known only to her. Just like some choose not to see old men, some not young men. Not sure how the putative pimp showed up so early. We all know cleanliness and haggling are not race based. So I would go with this answer to the OP question: because she chooses to (or not) and there's no accounting for taste.

I kinda think a lot of what we look for in this hobby is that element of seduction.... that feeling that we are seducing sexually a beautiful sexy lady or more often that the amazing women we meet are sexually seducing us through their acts of enticement and temptation. The ladies who I have met who are especially adept at the art of seduction have an innate ability to be charming ... to ascertain after just a few minutes of conversation or the exchange of a handful of texts or emails what makes us tick...what things will heighten our desire for them. They use their intelligence ... the ability to choose just the right word that will create sexual association in our mind ..., the use humour to relax us and make us feel comfortable so that we let down our inhibitions and and of course they use physical contact... a touch or a kiss and their amazing smell to arouse our interest. Seduction is creating that relaxed welcoming environment that is also highly sexually charged... it's really amazing because we know in this industry that sex will happen but yet we desire the seduction,,, the atmosphere of lust and desire... the undeniable feeling that the two people there in the room are being drawn together by something more powerful than just a sex act. Now maybe that is just me ... maybe that is what i have experienced and need... in my most successful encounters i have generally had significant contact with the lady before the meeting.. we have talked and gotten to know a bit about each other .... this contact by phone or text or email is like a pursuit... sometime me pursuing her .. sometime her pursuing me ... but in ether it creates an environment of seduction and passion that i find amazing. Sorry for the rambling... because all i really know is that the seduction is important to me the feeling of pursuit and attraction is very important to me.... the intensity is important to me... Just my opinion..

I hoped you called the sp to cancel. Not showing up when you've received all the location information, including room number, is extremely scary to many sps.

Part of the fun of meeting someone new is the excitement and anticipation. Hoping that you will connect and have a great time or an out standing time. If you aren't nervous and excited, What's the point :) If she's just as nervous as you it means that she is just as excited and anticipating just like you :). If she's not then to her it's just another day at the office :(

My responses: 1. Do you think that purchasing sexual services from an adult should be a criminal offence? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. Comment: No as long as there is no duress involved. Duress is already covered by other laws though so prostitution should not require a special case. 2. Do you think that selling sexual services by an adult should be a criminal offence? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. Comment: No. For many women it can be an excellent and profitable career path. 3. If you support allowing the sale or purchase of sexual services, what limitations should there be, if any, on where or how this can be conducted? Please explain. Comment: I don't think there need to be codified rules although cities may wish to use zoning rules (like with strip clubs) to limit where bawdy houses can be located. I feel that existing loitering rules would be sufficient to keep street prostitution from being problematic. 4. Do you think that it should be a criminal offence for a person to benefit economically from the prostitution of an adult? Should there be any exceptions? Please explain. Comment: No. Existing rules cover extortion and human trafficking. Prostitutes should be able to hire assistants without fear of prosecution. 5. Are there any other comments you wish to offer to inform the Government's response to the Bedford decision? Comment: Stop being patronizing and paternalistic. Prostitutes are adults making adult choices and you can't assume that everyone doing it is somehow forced into it. Many women enjoy sex and have found that selling sexual services is a profitable and liberating way to make a living. They choose their hours, their clients, the acts they wish to provide, their fees and often can make far more money than they would at other professions. Yes, there are risks associated with this job but many other jobs have risks as well and we don't criminalize those career paths. 6. Are you are writing on behalf of an organization? If so, please identify the organization and your title or role: Comment: No.