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I agree that seeing an SP us not the perfect answer to loneliness and that a good SP will create a wonderful fantasy for her client. However while that may be true... if the person understands this is a business arrangement and accepts that there is no reason to think that the companionship if the meeting us not real in that context.... if a person is lonely and craves interaction in a personal intimate way with another person an SP can be a very good outlet. No... not a replacement for ongoing relationships in their lives but a short period of connection with someone else. As for teaching.... all I can say us that I have learned a great deal about pleasing a woman from my interactions with SP'S.... to suggest it is all ohhs and ahhhh a regardless what might be happening is a gross error... a good session with an SP us about mutual pleasure which involves communication. Just my opinion.

Thank you deepstrut for a different perspective. You are correct that sometimes when people look in the wrong places to cure loneliness that they can come out feeling more lonely and empty than before they started and that some people blur the lines between reality and fantasy. This can happen not only with an SP but with anyone. At least with an SP there won't be extended drama should either happen. In these situations, it is on the person looking at the situation to know themselves and to determine what it is they need and want and if this might be an option to gain it or a potential risk. Some learning is about trial and error and some is about putting yourself in a safe supportive environment to gain knowledge. You don't learn how to do a job by trial and error, you learn in a classroom, through mentoring or job shadowing. You then take that knowledge into situations where you apply it and learn through action to improve it. Relationships are not completely trial and error. We talk to people who have been through it, we ask advice, we read articles and then we apply those in a learn to improve capacity. In your example of a kid who can't sing. Having the support of their mother believing in them is a huge thing but not the only thing. If the mother encourages practice and lessons they are gaining the knowledge and skill before stepping into other situations that require them to apply it. SP's are not here to rubber stamp especially if someone is looking to gain experience. They share their knowledge, provide direction and make suggestions in a safe supportive environment. There are many SP's and clients who have developed friendships and provide emotional support within the boundaries they set up. This says that for some people, this can be a good emotionally supportive outlet. Like everything, it's not for everyone and as you and others have said, take a hard look at what you want/need, risks, pros and cons and determine if it is the best course of action. For the record, when I comment in these threads, I am not trying to seduce anyone to visit me. I believe there is a world of potential and possibility out there that we should be open to. That we should see our sexual and intimate needs as self care and as important as other things and that we need to look within to determine what works and doesn't work for us and to ignore those who may or may not agree with us. The world is full of differing perspectives, thoughts, biases, morals, labels, triggers etc. We are responsible for ourselves and should feel no guilt in taking care of ourselves if no others are harmed. Different perspectives are valuable as they give us ideas and thoughts and hopefully give us more options than we had before.

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I'm ok with being considered desperate by people I don't know and don't care about what they think. If desperate mean I get to spend time with beautiful sexy ladies who are committed to making me welcome wanted and cared about.... i am happy to be desperate. Just my opinion

Just wanted to say that after being on Cerb for 4 years and meeting many SP's and MA's over the years that I have learnt a lot about the women who have chosen the is path as a career. Most of them have chosen this career because they enjoy the independence and financial freedom that it can bring. But this job is not easier. Many of them have families or kids to support. University educations that they are trying to complete. This job is demanding as it involves many hours of marketing, emailing, posting ad's answering text and PM's. Trying to get hotel, schedule appointments. The women who are most successful at this job are the one's that truly enjoy their work and like to please their clients. I've met many of these women and have truly enjoyed my time with them time and again. This can be a stressful time as they need the time to prepare the room and prepare themselves for each encounter. Some day's it can busy and other day's not. Some day's they meet some really fun gentlemen and other days, maybe some creeps. Some have been robbed, or beaten up or cheated. Sometimes there no shows or other girls that make fake appointments. This is a hard job. Sometimes it is physically demanding. They give their most intimate moments. It takes a certain kind of woman to handle the emotions and sexual activities that this job may entail. One SP, told me that it's not the physical aspect that is tiring. But the emotional aspect. To be able to pretend to enjoy themselves when they are not. She was saying that in this job she had to be the giver all the time and that most of the men were takers. Her Job was to give them pleasure and most men just used her to get as much pleasure for themselves. These women deserve more, they deserve to be treated kindly and with respect. Respect their time and their contact protocol. Be a gentlemen and be clean. Do not try to negotiate their rates, or push them for more then they are willing to offer. Give them a massage to start, make it about them in the beginning. They may have had a hard day, and appreciated a little kindness and tenderness and relaxation. Talk to them, they are people also, not just objects of your lust. Treat them well and with respect and kindness. I've been told by them, that it doesn't matter how old or what you look like. As long as you are a gentlemen and clean, you will be treated well. Remember, that they are there to make you happy and are providing a very intimate service, so you should appreciate they company they provide. If the chemistry and connection are there, you will have a great time. If the connection is real, it pays to return for repeat sessions. I have repeated many times with many of the women, and have found that each session get's better and better, as you get to know each other and are more relaxed with each other. I have had several good friendships developed over the years and have maintained them. Just wanted to say this to thank you to the women of Cerb for the fun and kindness that they have given us men over the years. I hope to meet many more of you over the next few years if I can :) Remember guys. Be a gentleman, be clean and respectful and you shall be rewarded. Oh yeah, one more thing. The woman should always cum first :)

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Thanks Deepstrut for sharing your countering view. All (respectful) perspectives are useful here. While those are certainly two possible outcomes, they're far from the only ones. Another is that you walk away smiling and happy, recognize that intimacy is not something to fear but to be enjoyed, and having gained confidence and familiarity with the way intimacy unfolds, more ready to seek it in other relationships. If you keep your head straight about the boundaries of the client-SP relationship, you can still benefit from the exposure to intimacy and the legitimate caring that a good SP will provide. A comparison: if you go to see a psychotherapist to talk about deeply personal issues, she's not really your friend; but that doesn't mean the discussion can't be honest and lead somewhere valuable, or that the experience won't be useful to you in making changes in your "real" life. If your experience with women is limited, and you're self-conscious about that, then gaining some experience to lower the intimidation factor can be quite useful. It's true I wouldn't go to an SP in order to learn how to "seduce" a woman (although the general confidence I might gain afterward might help in that regard). But in terms of learning what it's like to be intimate, to laugh and relax and enjoy someone's close company... that experience can make intimacy more welcome and less intimidating. Incidentally, I've never had an experience as artificial as an SP telling me I was the sexiest guy in the world. Maybe that does happen sometimes, but in my experience it's much more a case of SPs being willing to see the good and attractive parts in a client, and overlook his shortcomings. The circumstances of the encounter are artificial (I've paid to be there and there's a sharp boundary on our time), but beyond that I've mostly found the interactions quite genuine. Excellent advice; I couldn't agree more.

Well said. I suspect this is why many men use resources like Cerb. It isn't always about the sex, but finding someone you can share a special connection and bond with, an emotional intimacy and even friendship.

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Megan Walker is nothing but an obnoxious bully that can't let any rational debate occur. I listened to the segment in its entirety, and each and every time that Naomi attempted to speak, Megan was there with a louder, more aggressive voice in an attempt to drown out any possible argument to her anti-sex, anti-male manifesto. The irony is that Megan's brand of radical feminism now shares equal footing on the same ground with the ultra Christian element like Joy Smith... and neither of them is willing to hear any argument that will break their fragile grasp on reality.

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While I am happy to see you have made some decisions I not sure what the ladies CERB status has to do with it.

I'm fairly new here, and rarely post but I have been following this thread. I am not sure I agree with the consensus advice that's being given here. I will comment on two topics. The original question as to whether this is a good method to cope with loneliness, and the concept that this is a good training ground to learn to be with women. In my opinion I think the answer to both is no. If you are a person who feels very alone, and most of us have been there, seeing a lady under these false circumstances will likely make you feel worse in the end. There are two outcomes when you are going for that reason. You will either have a visit that doesn't meet your hopes and you will be left feeling more empty than before, or if you do fall into the fantasy you will find it difficult to cope without it and go through something similar to withdrawal. I really question the concept that this is a good training ground to learn to be with women. Learning is about trial and error, falling down and getting back up. Does a kid who can't sing improve by their mother telling them they are a star? It's the same concept, there is no learning to seduce a woman when her job is to tell you that you are sexy, and funny and the most charming man on the planet. It just feeds an illusion that will make you disappointed in the end. I have been down both roads, and believe that the best way to take advantage of this hobby is to enjoy the physical aspects of it as an escape, but avoid it if you emotionally need it. This is a business where a lady can offer you the opportunity to explore your sexuality, but its not a safe place to feed your emotional health. You will feel the high of the drug when you are with the lady, but the low afterwards can be difficult. This is just my opinion, the other side of the coin. No offense to the other contributors, but it read to me like a lady trying to seduce you to visit, and a guy trying to sell you on how awesome this drug is for him. If you are questioning it, and the people who know you question it for you, then maybe this isn't for you. Think hard and make sure you are prepared for all of the things it might bring up in you. Best of luck in whatever you decide. DeepStrut

There is NO desperation in self care. If you were ill, you'd see a doctor. If you hurt yourself a physiotherapist or chiropractor, if you had things in your head you couldn't sort out alone, a psychologist or psychiatrist. these are all forms of self care. Sex and intimacy and the need for it as well as the desire to be better, is all self care. I find it interesting science and society can admit that sex and intimacy are important to our well being but then put moral limits on obtaining it. There are many clients who choose this route because it fits better within their own lives and restrictions. Some don't want the entanglements of a relationship or because of their job or career focus, don't have the time and believe it's unfair to date. They still want sex and intimacy just in a different way. There is nothing desperate about logical, well thought out choices. Plus...what MightyPen said because he's right some sexy smart.

That's not an uncommon view ("I'd never PAY for it!") but it's based in a ridiculous, shallow, and outdated view of human relations. You don't have to answer to such narrow-minded people, when you've already made your mind up for yourself. From what you've described, you have some concerns about your interactions with women and you'd like to learn. You've made a perfectly reasonable decision to do something about that, in a way you can control. That's not desperate -- it's insightful, positive, and action-oriented. Carry on forward! I think you've probably had a chance by now to look around this site and see that people here are actually pretty cool and normal. Intelligent, thoughtful, and caring. Compare that evidence of your own eyes with the cliché judgments of others regarding sex workers and their clients. You have better information that them. So make a decision for yourself, know why you're taking the action you are, and proceed... and damn the nay-sayers.

It can absolutely do that, with the right SP. (I think starting with an SP you find here on CERB would be a good idea.) And I think Midnite-Massage is exactly right. Choose an SP who appeals to you, explain to her your situation, and go into the encounter with a positive and honest mindset. Be ready to take things slowly and learn as you go. And communicate, communicate, communicate. If things go well arrange a series of sessions so that you can continue to learn beyond that nervous first encounter. Just remember that your main goal in this case is to learn, to find your feet and grow a little in a way you can carry into your other relationships. There's a real risk of getting overwhelmed by the intense emotional experience of caring sexuality. Be careful to keep your balance. One more thing: be PROUD that you're taking positive action to tackle something you perceive as a hurdle for yourself. Now you have fun, and work, ahead of you. I wish you all the best in both of them!

I think it can be... not as an end itself, but as a means of helping you to make other, more permanent change in your life that will make you less lonely. Loneliness comes from the absence of people who share in your life. It's not the absence of people -- you can be surrounded by people, even married to someone, and yet still be lonely because they're not truly sharing who you are and what you care about. So the question becomes -- how can you add such people to your life? That can be tough, especially if your experiences to this point have resigned you to your fate; if you don't believe you're capable of emotional intimacy, or you feel you've lost that capacity you once had. Time with an SP is only temporary and brief, but the effects can be long-term. Just spending some time with someone who can be intimate, who can be sexual, who can be focused on you and pay attention to your desires and your body... that's therapeutic. It can remind you that you're capable of that kind of intimacy, and of its importance to you. It can also teach you some lessons about handling yourself in intimate situations -- not just sexual, but in conversation and in interacting with someone in a caring and open way. If you've been afraid of such things the SP can help you overcome those fears. And then you can take those lessons and apply them to your non-SP interactions with people in other parts of your life. So... does a relationship with an SP fix loneliness? Not by itself. But it can be genuinely valuable in equipping you to overcome whatever obstacles are keeping you from finding someone, and which are leading to your loneliness in the first place. Don't look at time with an SP as just a brief respite from the symptoms of the problem -- look at it as a cure for the cause, if you're willing to take the opportunity to learn and then do some work.

I appreciate the spirit behind your post and the time you took to write it. I certainly hope you all treat the people who serve your morning coffee, deliver your paper, clean your house, fix your car, cook your lunch, shine your shoes, serve your dinner, clean your teeth, wax your body hair, prepare your prescription, scrub your toilet, ring through your grocery purchases and dry clean your suits the exact same way. Sex work is real work and although we certainly deserve compassion, respect and consideration, we don't require it any more than any other working person you encounter during your day. It's the separation of us as "special" that often perpetuates the notion that we require "special" considerations, that we need "special" accommodations, that we simply aren't like everyone else. Well we are.

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Here is something about Naomi Sayers (online interview) http://blackcoffeepoet.com/2013/02/14/interview-with-noami-sayers-anishinaabe-academic-activist-blogger-and-former-sex-worker-photo-essay-of-no-more-silence-rally-toronto-2013/ Her blog site is http://www.kwetoday.com and she had a twitter account as well, both are awesome. Her blog is where I found the #ENDDEMAND post that i made about relating sex work to working at McDonalds which was really good. then i went to megan walkers twitter account and thought to myself, what a lunatic lol

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Thanks all! I have a couple of ladies in mind that I am considering...One was recently suspended from cerb and the other was also suspended in the last year or 2...for whatever reasons... I really appreciate the encouragement!

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I hope you had a wonderful hot sexy day?

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Honestly, spending time with an SP is a very open, honest, non judgmental way to explore, learn and enjoy. You don't have to worry about many of the things associated with meeting a "real" person. By this I mean, you go into the relationship knowing boundaries and knowing that they are there to keep you safe and comfortable. You don't have to worry about someone thinking the wrong thing, seeing something that's not there, expecting too much etc. This could be looked at as therapy because if you choose the right person, they will help you with whatever it is you need and want, the focus is on you within whatever limits are discussed. There is no need to "perform" or live up to any sort of expectation. It's wonderful you have a friend you can be so open with and who cares about your well being. However, YOU are the one on CERB and seeing the true identity of the industry. Seeing what it can give you as opposed to all the fallacies attached. In the end, it boils down to what you want, desire, need, the risk you're willing to take and what is in your best interest. Listen to your inner voice as it will provide the right answers.

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I do too!!!! But Twitter deletes them.

Thanks folks. A friend of mine that I confide it is totally against me doing this. She worries about STIs, legalities, and also about how I'd explain to a future/potential partner that I once sought the services of an SP.

I am so freaking excited for this!!!!

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Objectively, does anyone truly think that an encounter with an SP could (or would) help me gain more confidence with women? I admit that I don't have much of that right now... Thanks

Unfortunately we seem to think if loneliness as some kind of dreaded illness.... everyone can be lonely from time to time.... it not a lack of friends or people who care about you... you can be lonely even if you are in a great committed relationship with someone you love.... loneliness is for most of us a temporary state if bring where for that time we are craving a connection with others... that might be a sexual connection or an emotional connection. Let's not paint everyone who says they are lonely as damaged..... we all get lonely. Just my opinion

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Depends on the game being played... :p lol

I was curious, to you men... do you prefer a genuine and authentic approach? One where the SP is truly herself, and fully immersed in the moment with you? One where everything she posts, emails, tweets, etc is a TRUE reflection of who she truly is? OR do you prefer the... somewhat less authentic approach, where the SP is clearly defined as such, posts, etc are clearly manufactured and during sessions she is clearly "going through the motions"? I know this seems like a no brainer and not worth questioning... But I don't think it is that black and white. Also, can you tell when an SP is being genuine vs one who is fake? Look forward to your responses. Please keep in mind that this is NOT intended to be a specific thread to pin point those SPs who may be one way or another. Keep your responses vague and non-specific!!! :) xo

I think I've seen a few Kingston SP's advertise that they do massages. Like Kassi Kisses.

I think any time you can experience companionship with someone it can help with loneliness Unfortunately we tend to think if loneliness as the absence of people in your life... i can tell you from experience you can be surrounded by people but still live a lonely existence.... if a regular meeting with an SP helps meet that need then yea it us a great way to deal with loneliness. Just my opinion.

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Ahhh, the ?tipping? debate! I noticed there was a decided void in SP response so I will take a minute to share my thoughts? From an agency girl perspective, tipping is often a way to generate extra income because after they pay the agency and the driver, they usually end up on the short end of the stick. 10 years ago, I ran for an agency, we collected $260 for an hour, with $110 going to the house, $40-$100 to the driver depending on where the visit was located, which left me maximum of $110 with as little as $10 in my pocket. With a $15 book on fee and mandatory car cell phone fees of $25 per night, I needed 3 full fees per night to make working worthwhile, God forbid I get credit card calls, which somehow always worked out us getting nothing. We were not allowed to refuse a call so we had to find creative ways to ensure we were paid. Tipping for extra service was the only way to keep our heads above water. The nice thing was that we had a shift, we worked, and we went home and had a life. That said, it was unfair to the guest who would end up with less than what he expected because he was not prepared for the extra fees. Independents are in a slightly different boat. We usually have a higher upfront fee, but we also assume ALL the costs incurred, which is far more than many realize. If we charged what we feel we should to get our ROI, the protests would be heard long and loud. Many Indies have a smaller bottom line than an ambitious girl at a well run agency. So when it comes to tips, many things need to be considered. In the south, SP's are tipped much in the same manner as a restaurant. Anyone walking a restaurant wouldn?t consider walking out without leaving a tip if everything was satisfactory. I tip everyone in the service industry, from the girl who washes my hair, to the man at Suny?s who pumps my gas because a little bit from many adds up at the end of the day. Flowers and trinkets are lovely in thought, but a girl can?t deposit wilted stems into an RRSP, and my bank doesn?t seem to take dildos, massage oil, garter belts or silk stockings on deposit -go figure! As Joyful C has so wisely stated, most SP?s live a fragile existence financially. We provide an illusion of playful luxury for our guests benefit, but rest assured, 90% of the time it is smoke and mirrors. Behind the scenes we struggle to pay our bills, put diapers on our babies and try to take care of those we love, all the while working on a way to get to a normal existence if that does in fact even exist. An extra $20 from each client equals a full appointment by the end of the week, and at the end of the month that pays the cell phone, buys the groceries and lets us take the little ones away for the weekend after we have paid both rents (home and incall), all our advertising, babysitters, hydro, car repairs, personal maintenance and the same expenses everyone else has. Not to mention the monthly payments on augmentation, lifts, tucks and anything else to keep us up to the exceptionally high standards expected if we want to continue making money in this arena. There are few SP?s who can keep up the daily client service to ensure long term financial viability in this business because of the emotional and physical toll this business extracts which sometimes means extended time offs to get our heads, hearts and bodies back in order. We have no paid holidays, benefits or paid personal days. If there is a crisis that forces us to take time off, we lose money and clients which often means we work regardless of illness, pain or any other of lifes challenges. Each SP has her own reasons for working, but the universal element is that we all are trying to achieve some sort of financial stability. I never expect tips, and I can count on one hand how many I have received since my arrival in Canada because of the nature of the business here. Hate to tell you guys, but Canadian men are not known for their generous nature, they rank a close second to Germans in this realm (I think the outlandishly high taxes inflicted in both countries has something to do with it!). I would never expect a tip from guests that have me on retainer, I see them weekly. But unless you are going to be a bankable commodity in a SP?s life, a tip relative to the quality of service is a sure way to say thank you and have her know you mean it... Catherine