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The very title of this thread inferres that this is the first time (and therein the only) happy sp "movement" aka spoken out. Just sayin'.

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This will be a short one, because, at this moment, I can't bring myself to write the many paragraphs I'd like in order to express how I feel. Perhaps this says it best: LOVE is enough: though the World be a-waning, And the woods have no voice but the voice of complaining, Though the sky be too dark for dim eyes to discover The gold-cups and daisies fair blooming thereunder, Though the hills be held shadows, and the sea a dark wonder, And this day draw a veil over all deeds pass'd over, Yet their hands shall not tremble, their feet shall not falter; The void shall not weary, the fear shall not alter These lips and these eyes of the loved and the lover. William Morris As long as I feel so deeply attached to someone else, I have nothing to offer another. Love is not finite, but my time and attention is, and I feel I owe it all to him. I hope never to awaken from this dream in which my solitude, though not erased, is suddenly made bearable by the selfless friendship of a kindred spirit. Many thanks to all of you who have treated me with such kindness and respect. I leave with fond memories. To my colleagues who have risen to the level of lifelong friends: stay in touch! To those I've met or spoken to: all the best! To the community: stay strong, fight hard, it's a long battle against stigma and prejudice, but those of us who know the truth and can speak owe the effort to those that are less fortunate. I depart in order to pursue a happiness greater than any I thought possible, a future as fulfilling as the dreams sold to me in childhood fairy tales. Life is long and arduous, thus I refuse to let any small spark of joy pass me by unexplored. Farewell, with my greatest and warmest wishes that you too find such delight in life! XOXO Ksenia

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Your movement is based on "like-minded" individuals. Great. Doesn't mean you're not accountable. You haven't listened to any criticisms, you don't seem concerned that your "movement" alienates other sex workers and contributes to divisive politics that get us nowhere. You are actively going against what the majority of sex worker rights orgs are saying. You wanted links to happy hooker-esque movements? They don't exist because they don't work. Do you honestly think you're the first one to come up with this shit? Hello, as I said before, The Happy Hooker was a book written by Xaviera Hollander in 1971, so you're only 43 years late. The sex workers rights movement is about just that: rights. It's not about proving that we're happy. Your feelings about sex work don't fucking matter. The better question is "how are people being treated?"

its clear that there are hundreds of 'save the hooker' movements .... I did plenty of research and found nothing current regarding happy consensual sex workers, especially not in Canada. I'd love the links of any existing movements so we can collaborate ... maybe you're better at research and can provide them? Ladies there was never any intention to alienate or upset any sex workers. I'm not engaging in a battle here but I also don't want to be bitched out and lied about by the ladies with some strong opinions. I just wanted you to know that trouble was far from my intention. Looks like I've created a bit of a stir.... I wish the energy was focused on the real enemy though! Again thanks for the support in nominating my post looks like it was a winner!!

I dont see at all how we are ignoring anything. Thats like saying a girl who has certain limits should extend them because shes not listening to her clients requests. I felt alienated listening to the committee. I want my voice heard. Jessica and i spent money on this mission, unless you ladies want to pitch in for the costs of changing everything, its not changing. And its not because your opinion is ignored. Start a quasi-content sex-professionals movement if thats what makes u happy. Call it whatever you wish. I just cant imagine bashing good intentions AND a great idea. It feeds the oposing sides. As for facebook, one of the women tweeted me. She called me an abolishist. I corrected her. She appologized & deleted her tweet. Just because a few pro c36ers say something, should i then jump to appease? Heck no. If you dont agree with our intentions, then dont participate. But to add negative energy is wasted energy. It makes HHC no better, it makes c36 no better. Do you ladies want to fight or help? Dont like our way? Thats cool. Do it your way. Now, lets get back on topic because all this back and forth is harboring our message.

I'm the only worker who's ever spoken out? MEOW ladies. Not sure where I said any of that crap. Grow up already. Plenty of lies and insults, not really worth bothering with a response to any of that negativity. There is so much positivity resulting from this movement and that's where my focus will remain.

Well put, Berlin! However, I do think that the name matters a great deal. You see, when I first heard about the organization, I didn't even bother to read any further as I immediately dismissed it - without even clicking on the link - as something to which I didn't wish to associate. It was only later, after reading criticisms about the divisions, that I went back and read it. And, yes, the wording on the website most certainly is divisive. I hope that it is changed; however, I will let others who have already made that point continue that specific argument. I guess the point that I am making about the name is that any organization's name is a point of entry. Upon reading the name, the reader will decide either: (1) to learn more; or (2) to step away. Because the name reinforces a stereotype, it will put many people off and as such it is counter-productive. Lastly, as Berlin has mentioned, and I have also mentioned on terb, Stella Ambler took the opportunity to try to humiliate a witness at committee by comparing her life to a "tv sitcom of Happy Hookers." This is a link to the actual tape: http://www.cpac.ca/en/programs/in-committee-house-of-commons/episodes/34169014/ The specific comment was made just over ninety minutes into the committee (move the bar along the bottom) at about 90:50. I think that anyone who wants to support this cause should see the clip and decide for themselves how they feel about a group appropriating an invective from the Conservatives. In my opinion, you are making it far too easy for them to attack you. I have heard it mentioned several times that it is empowering to take back a term. This may be true in some instances; however, I do not think that respectable society outside of the industry is ready to hear the term "hooker" being used cavalierly. It will likely put many of them off - in the same way that it put me off - and they will simply shut out your message. By using the term hooker, even in the playful way that you have suggested, seems to be a strategy that will only be effective with some supporters of the industry who already believe that Bill C-36 is a problem. Would it not be a better strategy to elicit the support of those who are undecided - the all important centre voters, of whom there are many. Please reconsider changing both the name and the divisive wording. Lastly, I will leave on a positive note. Should you be kind enough to be willing to change the name and the wording, it would be my pleasure to assist you, should you require it, with some of the writing as I very much enjoy writing.

Wow. Im shocked. You all are assuming so much. Do you shit on survival sex groups because they leave out retired ones? Or exclude high end call girls? Or dont speak for gay sex workers? Look, this all started because im writing a paper to send to the Senate. I thought some letters from some of the successful women ive worked with could strengthen my arguments. For those that dont know, i was an MPA for 8 yrs before retiring to open MUSE. I had noticed a post from Jessica & decided to contact her. She loved the idea & its grown into a mission to collect 1000 letters from "happy" sex workers. 1. "Happy" can mean many things. It does not exclude anyone. 2. The letters specificall ask to include suggestions for the gov on how to make YOUR particular situation better. 3. The letters we have received range from sparkly strippers with sugar daddies to oiled up massage girls paying for college to street level workers who found enjoyment thru connection. We have stories from owners, and from clients. They are beautiful unique stories. Some sad. Some joyful. All impactful and important they be heard. This movement is only to voice our stories, our experiences. I had an amazing career. Im very lucky. I in turn provide an amazing experience for my staff. Paying it forward is part of my everyday life. I use my real name at times, my face is outthere, im in the media weekly. Im an open book. This is a very personal mission for me. I firmly believe that many women choose sex work to get ahead. Thats MY experience. I felt last week that MY experience wasnt expressed in the hearings. HHC is what has come about from 2 women who feel the same liberty from sex work, who compiled ideas which stretch out long past bill c36 to help ALL sex workers find their success. ie: find their "happy", be it in or out of sex work. Eventually, this could be a resource for outreach, information, resources, assistance, and team work. For now, the main objective is to gather as many letters as possible. Period. YOUR story, no matter what it consists of, is welcomed and encouraged. We need all of our collective voices to be heard. We want maximum impact. And that takes #s. You dont have to like the name. Every media agent ive spoken to gets it. Its controversial. Think "Slutwalk". Its memorable, headliner, and gets the message across. WE decide when we're happy or not, WE decide when we retire, WE decide who we see or who we dont. NOT the government! #rightsnotrescue Lets put the focus back on having the Senate hear from sex workers.

I'm not usually one to write reviews, but every once in awhile someone special comes along. From the moment she walked in I knew I was in for a treat. Well actually I had a good idea she was gonna be awesome from her amazing pics. But her pics did not prepare me for the real thing. This girl has the most incredible body, no SP I have been with on the island(quiet a few) even comes close. On top of an amazing body she has a cute face and a very fun personality. Although we didn't spend much time talking. To tell you the truth, the greedy part of me didn't want to write this review. I'd like nothing more than to keep this amazing gem all to myself. But the more business she gets the more likely she will stick around and I really hope she sticks around along time. So do yourself a favor and see this girl, you're not gonna regret it. Just make sure you treat her right and keep her around as long as possible.

Yes I agree with MB, may be hard to find. I'm pretty wild and free with a back deck but wouldn't be interested. The good news is that if you search hard enough you will always find what you are looking for , so good luck!! :icon_smile::icon_wink:

My opinion on this. Get the fuck along peeps. There are a ......cazillion million of us in this world. AND you know what ? WE don't have the same opinions ??? Let's be on the same page for ...... The greater good ! The greater good ! THE GREATER GOOD !!!!!! However we go about it...... just my opinion tho..... just me thinks getting pissed off and disagreeing here on the Inet isn't doing folks much good at all But I could be way off too.....

Yeah, if other sex workers think your site is an abolitionist joke site, you've got problems. But they want to make this all about the name "happy hookers." I don't care if you want to self-identify that you're a happy hooker. Cool. Go nuts. But again, the problem is that arguing that you're "happy" in your work and deserve rights alienates anyone who doesn't love this job and is doing it because it was the best available option, or people who are merely ambivalent--they do it because it is good money, etc. Not everyone loves being a sex worker but they still deserve rights. And let's not forget, a sex worker recently testified at the JC and Conservative MP Stella Ambler said, "you sound like a happy sitcom hooker." Abolitionists use that language. Sex worker orgs have all gotten together and we have a clear message that we are trying to send and it isn't "we're happy, so give us rights." It's "the laws harm us, don't kill us with your fucked up laws."

I struggle to believe that they don't read anything we are saying, but they are selectively replying to certain things and completely ignoring the other things. To say I'm shitting on a sex worker group pretty much proves that point. Either she doesn't comprehend what's being said or she's ignoring it and trying to misdirect by lashing out at me/others. The name is the least of my concerns, it's pretty simple and not clever really (done before, used against us already). Frankly if they can't see how this divisivion of us/them is hypocritical and harmful then I question their ability to really spearhead anything progressive. To completely ignore or disregard the legitimate concerns of other workers who are doing their best to remain diplomatic in the face if a higschool attitude of "don't like it? Too bad! We don't care!" is again telling. Emily Muse let me join you in your shock at the way this is being handled! (We can perhaps have a shock party? Wear party hats?) None of is said this IDEA is bad. Do not get confused, we should have representation (well we already do, so we could have MORE representation) but the execution of the idea has some issues that I think will work against you in the end game. Where's the democracy here?

Do you people even read what has been posted? This isn't about you, personally, any of you, despite the fact that many of you have gotten extremely defensive of the criticism provided--criticism which I might add that has been completely ignored in favour of "we need all our voices to be heard." I'm not saying don't speak up. I never once said that. I said that the way the letter was written was problematic in that it created divisions between so-called "happy hookers' and survival workers. And that survival workers were being thrown under the bus in an effort to show that hey, there are happy hookers who love their job! I understand the instinct to say, hey, I'm not addicted to drugs! I'm not homeless! I'm not like them! I understand, I really do. I made similar comments when I first got into sex work organizing. But those comments really are extremely problematic for reasons I've outlined in previous posts. There is a reason the international sex workers' rights movement doesn't use that argument. Because a) it doesn't work and b) it harms other sex workers. I would sincerely suggest that MJL contact a local sex workers rights org. There were plenty of form letters that you could write to your MP that did not throw survival workers under the bus, but rather explained the harms of C36. Not to mention, it's a bit insulting the way MJL acts like she's the only sex worker to ever think of speaking out. Did you miss the op-eds from Celine Bisette? Or what about the letter that a Maggie's board member named Rachel wrote, which was quoted extensively during the second reading? There were a number of sex workers I know who wrote op-eds under pseudonyms such as the piece by Vanessa D'Alessio, who is what everyone here would term a very upscale escort, who works in Toronto (Vanessa is not her work name or her real name).

My CERB Goddess Of The Day today is Miss Jessica Lee No, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting her. But her website www.happyhookersofcanada.com is a forum for like minded SP's and has an avenue to express how being a professional companion has been a positive choice for them in their life. Having a forum like this allows ladies to express how choosing to be a professional companion has been positive for them, in their life, instead of being stereotyped as a victim by MacKay and the rest of the intolerant CPC and religious zealots. And as a side note, after reading Jessica's letter on how being an SP has been a positive and empowering choice for her, I feel less like a john and perv ;-), and more like a gentleman who enjoys female companionship :-) RG

to decide on who to see next. There are so many new and beautiful women entering the business, both as SP's and MA's, that it is getting difficult to decide who to see :). I've met many new women lately and have been treated to fantastic experiences. I want to repeat with most of them, plus I like to repeat with many of the one's that I have already met in the last couple of years also. But there is only so much funds and time available. With bill-36 looming, it may be good to meet more new women now, so that if the bill is pass, you will have a larger list of women to choose from that you have already seen :) So many choices and so many wonderful women of Cerb. It is so hard to choose now. ? Decisions, Decisions :) What are you feelings on this ? I bet you thought I was going to be talking about something else. lol :)

Hi, I thought I would start this thread to recognize the women of Cerb who have reached the 100,000 visitor mark. I find this a remarkable achievement for someone to have attracted a 100,000 visitors to their user page. This is the about the population of a small city. I only know of a handful of women that have accomplish this feat. So if you know of any other women that have reached this mark, please add them to this list. I have not visited all the profiles yet :) This woman is a favourite of mine and of Ottawa, she is from Toronto and her name is SweetShay. She just reached the 100,000 mark today. I know because I was her 100,000 visitor. lol The next one is one of Ottawa's most reviewed SP. Her name is SexxxyRebecca. I think that she has the highest visitor count that I've seen so far. One of Ottawa's most popular and sexy MA is probably Claire Heavens who had reached a Roaring 100,000 visitors earlier on this year. Another beautiful and sexy MA from the Quebec side is Katrine Cannon who is actually trained in Massage :) and has just recently reached the 100,000 visitor mark. And another long time Cerb favorite, the beautiful and sexy Meg O'Ryan a big time contributor to Cerb threads. Please join me in a tribute to these women on their remarkable achievement :) They truly are all beautiful, sexy and a pleasure to be with. I know, because it's been my honour and pleasure to have spent time with these wonderful women :) I've noticed that a few more women are going to be reaching the 100,000 mark in the very near future. When they do, please add them to this list.

I really think everyone is entitled to their views and opinions, and don't think everyone should/will be on the same page. What I find unfortunate is how condescending many of the responders are. There language appears to be intentionally provoking, and not in a good way. Too bad, I really don't see this as helpful. I won't point out specifics, but people can read responses and see quite easily.

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Originally on the site, and in notices like this one: These were always the points of contention, plus for some it was the name of the organization. My point is that just because someone is 'survival' doesn't mean that they aren't consenting, or that the laws need to be different for them versus 'us'. If no one else had an issue with these specific points, we wouldn't already be on page 5, and we wouldn't have seen them brought up on at least 3 different sites so far. And that is the end of my most unwelcome contribution to this topic, as I have no more interest in having someone reply to me claiming i am talking about shutting down the whole concept of organized input from sex workers. Other than to say, where was everyone before C36 was introduced, when there were 'say no to the nordic model' polls that they could have distributed, campaigned for, and signed. Where were they in June, when the bill was presented, and the various advocacy groups were out there looking for support? Now they want to rally the troops in time for the Senate. This may be debated in Senate, and parliament, but the war is most likely to be one in the media, imo.

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I guess based on what has been attempted previously must have been working, since it really helped get some awesome bill presented. So, I guess we should not try a new tact and continue with the old, since it has been working so well. Sometimes a new approach is a good thing.

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You can have your voice heard in the happy hobbyist section of this website http://www.happyhookersofcanada.com there are already some touching stories and site is only days old. We would love to hear your story! If you'd like we will submit it to the senate with our letters. Much love and respect ... We care deeply about you gentlemen xo

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I understand that for her husband, the only way he can get a hard-on is with Viagra, on his wedding night it just died...actually she has been called the new birth control no fear of pregnancy with her. And her husband thought her first name was made up, because there has been no joy in his life since meeting her. God bless the CPC LOL RG

Frankly I'm tired of what Peter Mackay thinks is best for me. While I agree with the notion that there should not be any type of hierarchy where sex work is concerned, I do think that those who do this for a living and are happy with their line of work should be heard. While no job is perfect and everyone has their moments, I'm content with what I do for a living and this is about legislation, NOT moral legislation! I will be writing a letter based on the fact that I have a right to voice my opinion not just as a sex worker but a Canadian citizen. I don't believe in different sets of legislation for different types of sex workers because at the end of the day we are all providing the same service. However, I do agree that our experiences need to be told to show such people as Joy Smith that we cannot all be painted with the same brush regarding stigmatization. No two sex workers are the same but the Conservative government seems to think so. I encourage other ladies to write a letter in order to be heard. Let's not make this a debate on street workers v.s. Indoor workers rather women who make up this industry and have the right to be heard. Posted via Mobile Device

there is a clear and present difference between survival sex work and happy, voluntary, consensual sex work. If you choose to ignore it that's your prerogative. At NO POINT did I say that all street workers were survival sex workers, or that indoor workers don't have survival issues ... please DO NOT put words in my mouth.

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If you received a text full of profanity as you said in previous post then yes it could have been dialed down and handled better, no doubt. However in my opinion it should go without saying that NO ONE asks for a face pic. if it isn't offered or already posted on a profile, website, etc. I could see her being upset, maybe not to the point of using insults, but upset none the less. This business runs on discretion and if people (hobbyist or SP) don't want their face in the public domain well there is a good reason for that...it is their choice.

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