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I kinda see this pretty simply... SP get to hang out with who ever they want when they are not working... if they want to spend time with other SP'S great... if they have made friends with clients and want to hang out with them great too. The reality is keeping the boundaries tends to be important in this very intimate industry so most ladies tend to keep business ad business when it comes to clients... it's entirely up to them. Just my opinion.

I don't see how spending time with a fellow SP, who essentially could be viewed as a coworker , is at all comparable to hanging out with a client . It's not the same, and I don't see any form of double standard. That said, there ARE gatherings with SPs that include hobbiests. Ottawa holds a social four times a year, and Halifax does once or twice as well.

Lately I have had a lot of Gent's getting into huff and puff for not being able to be available at their convenient times. Or asking me why I can not do weekends or evenings. I really do not think I should have to explain myself. Like do you get mad at a pizza place cause they close at 9pm?? No you move on to a place that is open. I had 3 weeks of not being able to work, wow, I had many that were literally pissed at me for it! Not very nice! And like, if my ad says Mon-Fri and you are trying to cohere me to fit your schedule, then you most certainly will not get booked, as it shows little respect or ability to follow simple rules. ( or maybe it is inability to read the ad, yes there are words on that ad, not just pictures lol)

Last time I checked, my initial meetings with other sps didn't come about because they called me up to pay me for my services. In other words, we do not have a business relationship (defined by the fact I run a business, and that my clients pay me for my services.) if I choose to meet another sp who is working in the same industry doing the same thing that I am doing, it is not for the sake of marketing/advertising that I do that. If i were to be one of those 'hang out' sps who does go for lunch or coffee, the ultimate motivator in those setups isn't networking and/or friendship, it is the potential future business that may come out of taking a step outside of the paid arena. But I don't consider business networking with other business owners to be the same thing as client/sp off the clock encounters. I hate to bring this up, but if we want to be successful in changing C36, we have to all work together about this issue of how we define prostitution itself. If we are calling ourselves sex workers, and this is sex work, then there needs to be a respect and agreement on both sides that everyone understands that we are running a business, we provide services, and that we are not in the business of 'selling ourselves' and doing stuff like off the clock or having clients expect off the clock or friendships, not client/provider relationships, imo just may not actually help the way others perceive us all. just vague off topic ramblings, that may not actually start or end anywhere specific. :)

SPs and MAs are professionals that provide a service which has a cost. For us the clients it is their time, intimacy, services and companionship that we buy. That isn't to say that an SP/MA and client would never meet socially or 'off the clock' but it's not nor should be their business model or our expectation. I think of it this way. I pay a lawyer for his/her advice. They get my $ and I get their advice. Would 2 lawyers meet socially? For sure. But should I expect a lawyer to meet with me, provide their advice and I don't pay? I just call it a 'social' meeting? No I'm not sure if I've explained it well but for me - I totally get it and have no problems with the relationships I have. Cub

The rep points are not an artifact. They serve a purpose, you gain them when you contribute something other members find valuable. It is exactly what it says it is.... A level of a persons reputation on cerb. Those with more bars contribute more valuable info to the site... Those who post crap don't earn reputation points. Posting troll questions over and over is not the way to earn reputation (and a lot of members value the rep points)

Yup, you've just about got it. I'd say presumption of "ulterior motive" isn't always the concern, since it implies a kind of conscious planning (or hope) to cross a boundary. That's sometimes the case, but more generally it's just expectation that drama may ensue, and is best avoided. I noticed your frank self-description in the "SP/hobbyist" space ( :) ) and so I take your questions as honest attempts to decipher some of the unspoken codes of social interaction. So with that in mind, we can take a purely analytical approach to why people hang out at all, or don't. I think you can sort of break down that decision process into three items: a) what does that person have to offer me? b) how's my current supply of that thing? c) and what are the potential downsides of interacting? SPs considering hanging out with other SPs might feel that: - they get unique and valuable insights from fellow SPs who know the same profession in depth and first-hand. - Their supply of those insights from others is limited (they have their own insights of course, but there are relatively few SPs with whom to meet and and share). - And the risks are minor; any misunderstandings can probably get ironed out between reasonable people since their emotional stake is limited. But SPs considering hanging out with clients is a different case. - Sure, the client may offer the usual social benefits that come with hanging out with people generally. Maybe the client has some interesting or attractive attributes. Okay, nice enough. - But SPs are generally going to be attractive women who have little trouble finding guys who want to hang out with them, so that kind of companionship is familiar and its supply is already plentiful. - And the risks are significant, for the reasons already covered here: guy/girl stuff is fraught with emotional investment, misunderstanding, and risk; and there's a significant chance the guy may drift over the line from wanting simple social companionship to wanting sex, and all the drama that comes with that. So you can see how the calculation yields different results for two very different propositions.

Personally, I really don't care about rep points, numbers, stats, prestige...etc. Whatever evolving rules are in place - It's not as if we get money in the bank or anything. I just do what I do here because I like it occasionally. I like the conversations, debates, ideas, friendship/enemyship (or any kind of Sh*p). It's just a frigging forum. People with high postings/reps get banned or suspended on occasion because they pissed off the gods. Some folks with high reps & standings choose to bail. What does that go to prove? - life goes on.

You explained it perfectly and I fully agree with what you said here, coworkers and clients are different kind of acquaintances, one can become personal, the other one like you said is not impossible but less likely. However in none of them is cool to expect a personal rapport to happen and even less cool to question why it hasn't/won't. Also, in this particular scenario mentioned by the OP, the fact that some ladies here hang out with each other doesn't mean they do it all the time or that all ladies do it.

I have from time to time, I am sure some Ottawa friends may vouch for this, have offered to dine with me after we have had our special time together. BUT never has it been offered if I ever felt that the person was invading my privacy, or probing me for uncomfortable conversations. It would be unexpected by them when I did offer to dine with me. That being said, it meant I was extremely at ease with them and felt they would never invade my personal life. You will find most SP's and Hobbyist rather guarded about their lives. These on-line friendships came from reading threads and posts in the beginning, then eventually meet in person and from there a Gent may find himself very privileged to have been offered a dinner date after business had been taken care of. Had they asked me right away, or if I felt that they were just picking my brain apart, I would more then likely end the session with a handshake and hug.

I wouldn't consider it double standards. I'm a photographer, I occasionally meet up with other photographers, we fool around, socialize, take pictures, learn, etc. I don't casually photograph for clients. On occasion, I've been offered to go out for dinner, or something, but the entire time that I'm with that client, I have to behave completely. I have to put that professional part of me first. Now in my line of business, I can spare the time, as the time required for dinner would be considered time spent on marketing my service, by building up loyalty. But now consider SPs. Their service is companionship. To spend additional time with a client is the same as giving away services for free. And perhaps the most important point, SPs are people. They have the right like you or I to socialize with whoever they want.

I started in this lifestyle long before we began to call it Hobbying. As a young man in my 20's I had a raging libido. I was a two to three times a day kinda guy. Sadly, my GF at the time was a 2-3 times a week kinda girl. So I sought relief elsewhere on the streets of Montreal. My current SO and I have the same mismatch. Only now, some 35+ years later! I've slowed to 2-3 times a week, while she is at 2-3 times a month. Knowing this disparity might spell trouble to our marriage, my wife approached the subject by telling me she didn't want me to cheat, but she knew that she did not satisfy me as much as I needed. She told me that if I needed to be "taken care of" then she was ok with that under a few conditions: I remain discreet, I don't bring anything home (disease or drama) and I keep it to myself. We've been together for over 31 years, so it works for us. Plus I get to show her all that I've learned over the years. She really likes that part. Like so many providers, I've been able to separate the physical act from the emotional connection. Hobbying keeps me at home for my wife and I get to practice in between matrimonial sexual bouts. What could be better?

I was vegan for many years; I'm not any longer, but I tend to eat mostly vegetarian, especially at home. I've always been a much better , and much more creative , cook when I'm cooking veggie.

I appreciate your reco . Have to be honest I'm surprised that its still up as any type of negativity is not usually allowed. In saying that I think what you posted is totally acceptable . There is nothing more frustrating than a phone going off during a date and even worse than that is having her leave you to answer it. I had it happen twice within the first two minutes of a date once. , took my fee back less 20 bucks and left. I now make it a practice to tell the SP to shut off the phone. I will say most of them normally will to that My two cents

It's amusing to see how Peter Mackay makes himself look like such a douchebag for lack of better words with this bill and such contradictions in what he has proposed.. The Cons have shot themselves in the foot with this issue but time and time again, Harper's attitude is to just plead ignorance as always or as I'm sure we've all heard out of his mouth.. " I've had no knowledge of that." I know I've seen this type of statement quoted in the papers on more than one ocassion. Just wait and see how much these new laws will negatively impact the lives of people they don't even bother to address let alone acknowledge that they exist. You'll never EVER get my vote douchebag Cons! And as a result, the thoughts of retiring come to mind. If I can't work safely then what is the point? Moral legislation at its finest. They might as well call themselves right wing Republicans!

Firstly, I don't believe rep points are solely generated by amount "Thanks" given. Rather, they're given when someone leaves a comment on your posts using this button as well: Secondly, the "rep point system" predates the current platform. Prior to the implementation of the "Thanks" button, members were given the option of adding to ones rep points by agreeing, or *disagreeing with the posts (*which removed rep points). The amount of points given was dependent on who gave the points, the higher the "reputation" of the giver, the higher the points given. Which leads to the situation we have now, that some posters without many "Thanks" or posts may have higher than expected rep points. Now the system allots a predetermined amount of points per "post comment" regardless of who gives those points. Wow, that ended up being wordier than I anticipated! Kim ** Edit - As well, if you go to your user CP (upper left hand side of any page) and scroll down to your rep point count you can see your actual total. For instance if you hover over the "rep points bar" on my posts it states I have over 10,000 rep points. In reality I have 37,000, but the system only updates the hover in intervals of over 10,000 - 50,000 - 75,000 - 100,000.

I love Sex and the companionship of a beautiful lady (note beauty is not only a physical thing). Of course the hobby is filling a void that existed in my life... but not just a sexual void. Just my opinion.

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There is NO DOUBLE STANDARD. A SP/Client Relationship is not like conventional relationships. The client compensates the lady for her time. A good client understands this and does not push the boundaries to get free time. Even in cases where a client becomes friends with an SP, he still compensates the lady for her time. As for SP's being friends with other SP's, there is no financial arrangement to their relationship to begin with so there is no problem in them being friends. On the other hand, a client claiming to want to be "friends" with an SP may just try to usurp the conventional SP/Client relationship so he can receive services from the lady without compensating the lady for her time. His claim of friendship may be a very hollow claim RG

My lawyer comment was not a quote from you. It was an example. In any event you posted a question and I thought my comment was fair. I'm seeing way too many times recently when someone posts something, they get comments back, and then it turns into a great debate. I'm not here for those debates and was simply trying to offer my perspective and response. Sorry if I misunderstood your OP. I'll leave it for others to provide you their advice. Cub

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Inducement or not, Genevieve does bring up an amazing point. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. I had a conversation with a provider just last weekend, and she claimed that she was sick and tired of the way that the current government was ruining her life. I asked her how she voted in the last federal election, knowing that she was of legal age at the time of the last ballot. She claimed that she did not vote, that she thought it was stupid. I retorted that if that was the case, she had absolutely NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. If you don't cast a ballot, you can't bitch about what we get as a government. You obviously don't care. If you did care, you would do your damndest to get a government that cares about your needs. It's 15 months until October 2015, BUT.... we have the power to begin the end of this government. Find a local politician representing your views. Support them. Canvas for them. Fund parties other than the CPC. Talk to friends and colleagues about the disgust you have for the current government. Bill C36 is just one of the countless ways that the current government has disregarded the opinions and desires of the Canadian public. Research their legacy. It's BAD. In Ottawa alone they are responsible for the loss of well over 20,000 well paid jobs. They wanted to abolish the senate but filled it with their corrupt friends. They turned the cyber bullying legislation into a way to spy on EVERY ONE OF US. Joy Smith wants you to have to contact the internet companies to opt into porn. That's evangelical censorship. I am sure that you could find countless other fuck ups by the current government... from fighter jets to foreign workers, senate scandals to supreme court stacking... this is just a BAD GOVERNMENT. Sign up and support the other parties now to end the tyranny!

SP's get together and hang out A) as we are friends, B) to network and C) for our own mental sanity. Why on earth would we invite a client to hang out for free when it crosses the clear black and white mixing business and pleasure line? Once you spend time off the clock with someone - do you think you will want to pay in the future? I am one who take GREAT offence to someone expecting to see me on my own time. My site is clearly written in regards to all time spent will be compensated for (Don't get me wrong I am very generous with my time on my dates) however Social time or private time I run a business and I don't mix my friends with my business acquaintances. If you want to see a lady in a social setting on your time attend a social - however you would have to buy a ticket. While your question was a good one, there have been enough responses to understand how the fundamentals of how ladies run their business and how most gentlemen feel on it - they respect not crossing the line.

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Thanks! She was one of the speakers that was on when i watched the hearings. One of those antiC36s who never get asked any questions was how I remembered it. Not even a Con saying, gee Sandra, how is any of your research about sex workers and stds relevant to our discussions today?

Hugs & sloppy wet kisses for the Birthday girl. Best wishes Tracie. I look forward to the day when I can bestow your birthday wishes in person.

Would I pick it up? Perhaps - if I were in an adventurous frame of mind and had the time to stop and scoop. I don't pick-up hitchhikers; although I have in my younger years. I'm still a little unclear about the details on what/how information is collected and retrieved. Here's a link to something: http://globalnews.ca/news/1473901/hitchbot-robot-ready-to-hitchhike-across-canada/ Sounds like a great project. I hope the thing survives the trip across Canada. How do the project inventors make available the information or any conclusions to us grunts? I like conclusions.

My reason for being in this lifestyle is because of lack of intimacy. I'm a happy married man with a wife that gives me everything I need except for intimacy. The very few times we have passionate love is so far in between that I never remember when was the last time.

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I'm going to hazard a guess that being on CERB for at least a year gets you rep points. The usernames supplied with low post counts and low thanks (the ones I checked) all signed up over a year ago from today. If you go to the "New to this..." forum and check the "Hey am new - so I have to post first?" thread, there are many 1 to 6 post with a thank you with very low rep points. Hmm.. never noticed that correlation before. Now that I've learned something new about Rep Points, I'll leave them alone for another year.

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Some sps have a social rate for clients. So money is still exchanged for these times. If you ask the guys if they get this time for free they will tell you otherwise.

Sorry man, I was only poking fun at ya.

Congrats Claire on your cerbiversary.... Roar!

Yesterday I had lovely twin dogs. Will & Grace were from the same litter, we had them since they were six months old. At one o'clock in the morning I was awoken by Gracie flopping around on our bed. She was convulsing and we had no idea why or how to help her. My wife & I took turns trying to sooth her. We held her, calmly talked to her and did everything we could to ease her fear. As soon as the vet opened, we were there with our distressed pet. We learned the awful truth later in the day. She had the equilavent of human stroke, for dogs it's called a bleed. She was blind, the convulsions could be controlled with heavy sedatives, but the dog she once was was gone forever. After 13 years of unconditional love, joy, happiness & laughter, Gracie's journey came to an end. Last night we cried and held Gracie's twin brother, Will, the sole survivor. Today we move on with one dog. Gracie was the 5th dog we've had to put down over the past 30 years. It does not get easier with practice. The blessing and curse of a companion dog - they work their way into your heart and then they're gone too soon.

I suppose I sort of lucked out with my Dad. He used to work nights, and now his body wont allow him to continue to work so he is fully retired as of a month ago. The vehicle he had to go to work was mine . So where as I own the SUV, I do have the right to say no ( even tho is hard to) However when I bought the SUV ( loan) he and I both paid for half the monthly loan payment, (this was for about a year now. ) He came to this conclusion when he realised he was paying half the loan payment, but yet his income changed. So why pay for this when not working? He knows I will drive him for errands etc..Now he has extra cash in his pocket to spend on other things he needs:) The trick is, I found him a place to live that has everything close by, the Superstore, liquor store, a pub/restaurant, dollar store. This made it easier to pay for the occasional cab when needed. He is OK with this now. Maybe feels a bit of relief too. Less responsibility, and a bit more play cash in his pocket:) Also gives us a lot of father/daughter time when I run errands with him:)

In regards to the 2015 elections, I am seriously considering giving a very generous discount to clients voting against Conservatives and providing me with a proof that they actually did. The rules would be: In order to obtain a 50% discount, take a pictures with your ID besides the election card - where I can see that you did not vote for these Nazis - and book a rendezvous within the next two weeks after the election day to get your discount. I cannot think of a better way to motivate the Canadian people to get off their ass and go vote.

Congratulations Claire on your third Cerbiversary!!!! :D

Yes Congratulations on your 3rd anniversary. I've seen you in all 3 years :) xoxoxo Have had many happy memories with you :)

I like when guys sat hi or when they respond to the ladies' shouts. Maybe that's me lol

The only rules for the shoutbox are here: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_chatbox You can say hi, post a thought, share a link or whatever you like. It used to be more a fun way to say stuff (like Twitter) but has mostly become advertising. Feel free to jump in and say hello though!

Nathalie, thank you so much for all your amazing contributions to CERB over the past few years. :) You have started many wonderful thought-provoking conversations. Many of my favourite threads came from you. CERB is a better place because of your footprint. Taking a look back, here is an impressive collection of just some of your best: -Destigmatizing Clients - Any Suggestions? -On The Topic Of Recommendations -On The Topic of Higher/Lower Volume Providers -(Mis)understanding Introverts -The Importance of "Loving" As A Verb -The Perfect Kiss -How Do You Feel About Being Alone? -Support Me While I Orgasm You've also added some fun and lightheartedness with threads like Pick A Funny Someecard. And of course, our awesome blog update thread! Not to mention, all of your helpful and supportive posts and threads in the SP ONLY section. And of course, your beautiful and inspiring advertisements. :) Seriously, you rock. Thanks for spending this special part of your journey with us. Now go kick some vanilla world ass! :) xoxo

I know some people love brand name items and therefore use the brand name to refer to said item, but purrsonally I can't stand it. I can't count how many clothing requests for yoga pants i've turned down because the client asked me to wear 'lulus' and I honestly had no idea what he was talking about. I have yoga pants... some of them are Lululemon brand name. But seriously, does the brand name matter? If you show up are you going to look for the symbol, or are any yoga pants fine? I just don't get it. Drive me nuts!

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