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I know this is an old thread but because of what I am going through at the moment, I thought a gentle reminder couldn't hurt anyone, especially when I am already feeling hurt and sad. Having to terminate an established relationship or a brand new exciting one because "love" feelings get in the way and the focus of the friendship is being temporarily put aside or willingly being ignored by the other party is never something a lady looks forward to. Please, keep in mind that ladies who are involved in this industry are not using these special companionship experiences to gain new personal best friends or a significant other even if we care deeply about you. Imposing your so called "love" feelings on (one of) the lady you are seeing and trying to change the dynamic of relationship is (almost) a guaranteed way to end what could've been a great long lasting experience or abruptly terminate the relationship you've already build together. When you start feeling confused, sit back, think and give your head a good shake and a reality check before ruining that special something. Gabby xox

I have written quite a few highlights on here over the past few years but none can beat this one. I met my new grandson yesterday when he was a mere two hours old and it was amazing. My first grandchild and special beyond special. It was my own very special birthday gift. Thanks again to those who have mentioned this here in the various threads and little PM's and it so nice to be a part of such a community as we all are.

...Crosses the line Over the span of my career, on more occasions than I would like, I have had to have a conversation with a client who wants to "be friends". I think it's important to explain to hobbyists what this actually means to us; why it is crossing a line and why this conversation is one we should never have to have with a client. There comes a point with a good working relationship where a client reaches a certain comfort level with his provider and for some reason it sometimes flips a switch within him. This is the phase of the relationship where there are genuine feelings shared and some clients misinterpret these emotions. He feels it's time to renegotiate the relationship and take it to the next level, to make it "real". Sometimes it's a romantic gesture and those clients are just very confused men and that is not the situation I want to discuss. The men I'm appealing to are the ones that feel that we should "be friends". I would like to present this situation from the providers point of view. This is a conversation we providers unanimously dread. We very well may have genuine care and true fondness for this client; we may look forward to seeing him and enjoy his company immensely. Without a doubt these emotions change the quality of the experience for both parties in the best of ways but what it doesn't change is that THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING! Asking us to be friends is an impossible ask and puts us in a difficult place. No matter how we answer, the dynamic is forever changed and not for the better. Many providers develop friendships with clients, myself included but it doesn't change the fact that our time is our livelyhood. It's how we provide for ourselves and our loved ones and asking us to alter the arrangement at hand will not end well for either party. If we accept, we have now lost a valued client that will need to be replaced to maintain our financial responsibilites. If we decline, we risk hurting this person that we care about and losing a valued client that will need to be replaced. Either way, the provider loses. I admit that I see my work a little differently than most providers and I do consider my favorite guests to be friends as well as lovers. These men understand that I care deeply for them, they don't need free social time to see and feel that. They understand that if they choose not to contribute to my financial well being it will result in one of two outcomes. 1. I will have to spend the time I work with another client to ensure my financial obligations. or 2. I will have to find alternative forms of income which means a 9-5 job to pay my bills. Either way, the "friend" moves to the bottom of my responsibilities list. I first have to pay my bills, second is to take care of my loved ones and then third is my social life, which I don't actually have. This is our livelyhood and last time I checked, the bank doesn't take friendship for mortgage payments and according to Revenue Canada, it doesn't matter how many friends I have, there is no break on my taxes. If a client stops paying then he no longer provides for me or my basic needs. I have a couple of clients that moved from guest to friend but they were taken off the dance card. By honoring their "ask" for a friendship, they reliquished me as a lover and now I seldom get to see them as I just don't have time for socializing. I accept my guests into my life with great care. I willingly allow my guests time with my body and my spirit in exchange for the financial security they provide me. It is delusional to think that if a guest withdraws the financial aspect of the relationship that I will have the time or the energy to continue a relationship with him. My guests don't pay me to be their friend, they pay me so that I have the freedom to spend time with them, NSA and at their convenience. The demand is high for a "genuine GFE" experience but when we provide it we run the risk of guests misinterpreting it. Please understand that often when providers are a little aloof or cold, they may be simply trying to protect the business relationship as a lawyer or doctor would. For those of us who try to be more open and willing, don't put us in a situation where we end up losing you as a client because you "don't pay people to be your friend"... cat

Hello CERB sweeties! I know I've been a little MIA on here as of late, but I've had good reason :) Read all about it here: Sexy Dream Life Musings: My Big News! sexydreamlife.blogspot.com/2014/08/my-big-news.html?spref=tw

Here is a good 'plain English' description of bill C-36 including a good description of all the vague sections that are open to interpretation by future courts. Q & A on Bill C-36

What I do is very simple. Treat her like she is a valued guest. Greet her warmly, take her coat if appropriate, offer drinks, etc. Unless you normally ask your guests to take a shower I might hold off on that one. One critical thing is to read her website or other instructions and follow them exactly. For example, if she wants an envelope in plain sight, make sure it is there.

Yeah... we guys just have to remember that GFE is GirlFriend Experience, not GirlFriend Eventually, and if you have a GirlFriend Expectation then it'll screw everything up in no time at all. So don't do that.

Recently I have been thinking about how the amazing Ladies of CERB go about screening prospective clients. I have been around long enough now to know and respect that the SP's take screening seriously and have all developed their approach to screening that meets their individual needs. Many SP's require certain information, or references, or that initial contacts be made thought email or by phone. But when I stop and think about it these wonderful ladies really don't have much info on which to base a decision that affects their personal safety. Obviously guys lie about their name and other personal information... cell phones are a dime a dozen and references can't be a deal breaker all the time because all of us had to start with none at some point. For the last few weeks I will admit it i have trolled the various SP ad sections and then looked at some of the SP profile visitors post history. While I did not see anything strange or surprising in fact I saw a lot of posts very similar to my own post history I was struck by the fact that many of these posts (mine included) did not, for me anyway, scream wow I can't wait to meet this person. I kinda think if I was going to invite this person into my life I might need more. Lololol Anyway.... I think this might just be my long way of saying Thank You to all you wonderful ladies who make the choice to invite us into your life. I guess the fact that you do that based on very little information says something about your faith and trust in others and your ability to assess the essence of our character. For me personally I have benefited greatly because you have. THANK YOU

5'9", 215lbs mostly muscular, broad shoulders with a bit of a belly. 45y/o formerly athletic now in maintenance-mode. My BMI says almost morbidly obese but I actually look and feel quite fit. I try to be stylish/current maybe even a bit avant-garde with clothes, shoes and hair(grey, shaved sides, longer wavy on top) trimmed beard. Guys at the office look at me funny, ladies seem to appreciate it. In the past 20 years I've heard comparisons to Richard Gere, Clooney, and some Yannick Bisson guy. Even got Christoph Waltz last winter. ...but bigger... All in all, can't complain.

Contact the lady ahead of time, ask her what she would like to drink. Most ladies like wine, some beer, cider, water or a soft drink. Do not open the bottle unless in her presence. Have all the lights on in your room, bathroom door open and so on. Dark candlelit room may seem romantic but a lady seeing you for the first time will likely want to walk in a bright room, where she can see you. Also open doors (including closet) gives the lady peace of mind that no one is hiding in the room, to surprise her My experience, ladies arrive freshly showered so its not an issue. But if she did ask for a shower, hotels provide towels and soap and shampoo. So if she asks say yes. And some ladies may be receptive to a shower for two, while others not. If she says no to a shower for two, don't take offence, some prefer not to that's all Let the encounter unfold naturally. As Hyperion said, she is a valued guest. You treat her as a valued guest, she is going to reciprocate your hospitality and treat you as a valued gentlemen, and that is the start of a mutually beneficial relationship A rambling RG

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There is an interesting article in the Economist just being published. When anything to do with escorting becomes illegal, reporting goes down. I am glad that we are all claiming to be good citizens but the stats show that when it becomes illegal to be a client, clients do NOT report. Other research indicates the same thing. Illegal results in no reporting. Having actually dealt with the police there is nothing like the police grilling you in an attempt to get you to admit that you did something wrong so they can lay criminal charges. In my case, I had not even done anything wrong. No one at the police station was interested in the fact that I was reporting wrong-doing by others. Having also discussed this issue with clients who have actually reported trafficking, there is 100% agreement that they would NOT have reported if C36 were in effect. So the iconic consequence of C36 will be an increase in trafficking because people will NOT report. Just wait and see.

Although this is an older thread, it definitely is something that has to be brought up from time to time. There are certain lines that should not be crossed in this industry. Actually, in any professional relationship, when you stop and think about it. I don't wish to be "friends" with my family physician and that little prostate exam is pretty damn "intimate". Okay, that rather silly joke aside, honestly, since when should we ever ask to be friends? Friendships grow and develop on their own if they are meant to be on both sides. I would say that I can be friends, to a certain extent with several people here, even though I have not met, nor likely ever will, meet in person. I would never ask for some "special friendship" consideration from even my most favorite SP, even though we could be considered friends, in a very real way. We really have to think with the big brain and make sure the little brain doesn't think, just goes with the flow. Gabby, sorry to read that you are having some tough times. Wish you well and hope that this passes and makes you better and stronger. Be well and stay safe.

Well, let's see. I'm 5'11" tall, 155-160 lbs. Dark hair that I keep cut short (a little grey sneaking in there now). Stay clean shaven, no tats or piercings. I am skinny but muscular. The ladies I see always ask me where and/or how often I work out. Fact is, I don't and never have been to a gym. Just blessed with good genes and a very high metabolism. Nearly 55 and still the same weight as when I was 20. Aside from the arthritis, actually more fit and stronger than when I was at 20 or even 30. Of course, working in construction for 25-30 years will do that. Eyes are sometimes green, sometimes light blue, sometimes grey, they change with my mood. As for who I look like, damn, I just can't think of anybody that's really close. Maybe a tiny bit like Ben Stiller with bigger ears, bigger nose and glasses. I could be way off on this part. It's hard to picture yourself.

This is very old and tiresome but if your discretion is important to you my safety doubles or triples that and more. Its totally fine with me if you don't want to disclose a lot of information on a first meeting but you need to have at least two reference's from this board that I either know or they have a presence here. Today alone I answered my phone to private numbers that were new people to me and they were appalled to learn that I don't book appointments in this manner . ( I use my cell for other things as well) One person was kind enough to tell me he is a visitor to Halifax and would love to see me. When I told him I don't make appointments through a blocked number he hung up on me . Yes a juicy potential date, I bet not. I am very understanding of all peoples needs but if you are not willing to give your information to be properly verified or have a good reference's its not just not worth me risking my safety.

Christian Bale is not Batman. Morgan Freeman is not God. Angelina Jolie is not Lara Croft. Jane Smith from Nepean is not really the sultry Alotta Fagina, although like Batman, God and Lara Croft, she is a carefully crafted role executed to the highest standards. Men get to see the persona named Alotta Fagina because that is the entity with whom she is willing to share. Jane from Nepean remains cloistered. While Alotta lounges on a chaise wearing satin, silk, and chiffon sipping champagne with impeccable makeup, Jane is at home sleeping on her couch wearing track pants and a t-shirt with paint stains. While Alotta is a capricious bon vivant, Jane worries about her cable bill, her condo fees and her mortgage payment. She hopes her car will last at least two more years. When the lines gets blurred, the role changes. Like many of you, Alotta wishes anonymity when she reverts to Jane. She may be a sister, an aunt, a daughter, a mother or perhaps a wife. She has taken risks not unlike our own; her private life is her refuge - a place not to be breached unless invitation is offered. Enjoy the company of your provider. The intimacy you share is magical. Just remember that when you are finished, you BOTH get to return to your other lives.

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I don't think it's a question for me do I like it ? It's a health concern for me . No matter how clean bacteria lurk there . Licking from anus to vagina can cause infection . My body is my money maker and I protect it vigorously . .

Fruit flies. Enough said.

I am almost entirely incall based. I don't take on many clients, but I want to feel confident with the ones that I do. I found that other methods don't always work. For example, other providers are not always straightforward or forthcoming about their clients - at least, in this city! :icon_biggrin: Cell phones are untraceable, you know the drill. I link my postings back to Linked In where possible. Most of my clients have postings on Linked In. You can spot the dodgy ones - no photo, few connections, ridiculous job. And of course, you can expand your screening research from there. If the guy at the door doesn't look like Mr. Linked In, you know what to do. Of course, this is not for everybody. And it won't tell you about temprament or behaviour. But he will know that you know who he is, and that couts for something. I like the comment earlier about trust. If he is forthcoming and not the kind to mock screening, the trust element goes up. After all. we wouldn't be in business long if we violated it, would we?

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Congrats on the new addition to your wonderful family.... You must be super thrilled with your first Grandson....

congrats MN2 on the new addition to your family hope all are doing well

Like I have seen very few babies except for my nephew. This boy is big enough to be our next Rocky or Rambo !!

Congratulations, Mrrnice2 on the new addition to you family!

Wow! Congratulations, MN2!

Good luck with wherever your path leads. Sorry to see solid "east coast" representation leave, but you must do what your heart tells you. All the best Mikey

All the best Ice4fun. You've made great contributions here and the value of this site comes only from solid members (haha no pun) like you. Enjoy! Cub

So long big boy! Really appreciate your presence on CERB! You'll be missed, no doubt! Like you said, life goes on... Good luck and take care 'me ole c*#@' ;) have a blast Ice4fun!!

Dang, another good one bites the dust. Thanks for the personally guide tour of St. John's and your pleasant company when I visited (and my friend's car broke was out of commisison). Stay happy and healthy!

Best wishes to you big guy !! Take care !!! AND Behave ;)

Oh so sorry to see you leave...:( Wishing you the best Ice4fun...really enjoyed reading your post..and your company too :) Bianca xoxox

Best of luck Ice4fun, we will miss you here on Cerb. I hope life brings you happiness and that you found what you were looking for!

You will be missed. I hope this new phase in life is exactly what you are looking for. Take care.

Best wishes to you and good luck in whatever you wish to accomplish in the future. Thank you also for your valuable contributions to this community. Whenever I see your posts, your handle gives me a chuckle reminding me of how you came up with it. :icon_smile:

All the best to you!

Your presence will be missed by many! I for sure will:( But Yes, life has to come first, your happiness awaits. xoox

Good Luck hope you found what you were looking for

I've experienced this as well. I just tell them I don't do it. They don't get the fact that I offer an experience and I don't provide just "only services". We as SP are entitled to run business our own way but some guys will try to take the extra mile even if an SP is already providing lets say a certain amount of time or an only service. I just tell them there are plenty of other people out there who may provide what they want and say goodbye. It will be interesting to see how people who negotiate will be able to do this once new laws are passed. Stick to your guns. There are low ballers everywhere. We are not a restaurant, we are not tires, we are offering an encounter of an intimate nature and to me (and this is JMO and my opinion only in case anyone decides to twist my words again or infer that I'm insulting them) the experience of seeing an SP has gone by the way side. I'm old school. This new wave of clients I do not understand and do not care to understand because of how I run my business and what I'm accustomed to. I don't feel I'm missing out by not offering these only services. If another SP wants to do that, that's her perogative. There are plenty of gentlemen who enjoy spending time with a woman all inclusive and not trying to "take the potato out of the meal" for a less expensive price. Life doesn't work that way. At least not where intimacy is concerned in my world. To each their own but I know how I like to run my business and won't have someone tell me otherwise or that my rates are too high because they want to save a few bucks. You get what you pay for. If $20 for example is a big deal then they need it more than I do. Sorry but true. This is a luxury service, not a need or necessity in life.

Good catch. I didn't even notice. Makes sense.

With the papers i have advertised in, i usually have the least trouble with guys calling from the paper ads. They respect the hours posted in the ad, they don't ask for celphone pics, more pics, graphic pics, in fact they don't get any pics in the ads, and still manage to muddle their way thru the booking process and show up to have a good time. Online ad clients seem to have the devil of a time figuring stuff out lol. The most common # blocker comes from the online ads, and also the callers using magic jack phones (ID shows at area code 239, for example) And they get pissy when you tell them to call from a real number, oh, they say I can't do that, i don't have a cel phone i can use, i can't use the hotel phone, or other nonsense. MJ callers have to prove to me that they are actually in Canada, BC, Vancouver area first and foremost, because 99% of the time they aren't. I had someone call from the paper ad, I don't ask for but get his name showing up on his home ph, the # shows up, then again cel ph#, and name, and while here a complete rundown on his family history, i think he told me the names of his parents and sibling by the time he went home. Then you get the other guys who claim they can't phone, or if they are texting, they can't call, or they ignore your reply telling them they have to phone to talk to you, like its a big secret. The other big secret for some guys is telling you where they found the ad. Like I really can see them looking thru the computer, the camera automatically goes on and reveals them to me, uhuh.

Life is a roll of the dice. This is not the only business where operators must trust clients to be sane. I trust a lot of people on their word in my business; since I'm a fairly good judge of character, most are fine, but the odd wacko manages to slip in. I can deal with the wackos myself, and as for the CERB ladies, I'm sure they have backup plans. ;-) Yes, I'm happy that the CERB ladies are welcoming, but I'm sure they understand the risks and have prepared themselves accordingly.

When I screen, I can be particular. I find that hotels here ask for the name of the person you are trying to connect to (the upscale ones), so I do ask for the name the room is booked under, otherwise I can't verify your actually there. Safety is a huge concern to me, I use discretion, I'm not going to call your cell phone unless you ask me to, and I'm not going to get into random conversations with you, but providers have to give out lots of details, yet we don't get a lot of answers back to our questions. I'm inviting you into my home sometimes, I want to know who's coming to me.

The ladies do deserve our thanks, gratitude and appreciation. I remember every lady and encounter I've had since embarking on this lifestyle. It isn't every lady who can be a professional companion, so for those ladies who are, and provide a intimate escape, yes, a thank you is well deserved. I know seeing companions has brought a certain joy to my life. And for a lady agreeing to see us after we initiate contact to her to have an encounter, her need for screening is understandable. Until we meet in person for the very first time, irrespective of emails, pm's etc, we are strangers. Screening is a case of the lady's safety and well being versus a man's privacy...well safety and well being trump privacy IMHO. And if privacy is an issue for a man, then contact and see a companion who requires less information from a potential client. Also screening allows a lady to determine if she and a potential client will be compatible or not The lady wants as much as the potential client to have a good encounter and that will happen if both lady and gentleman are compatible But for what the ladies do for us, again, they deserve our thanks, gratitude and appreciation So I'll sign off here with a THANK YOU :-) RG