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Well, that sucks. I hope whoever was outed is doing OK. One thing I have to say - and I know this is going to sound perverse - is that I actually find this hugely encouraging. They do this because they're frustrated. They *know* where this debate is going. They know that society is, in general, moving in a less judgmental direction and adopting more of a 'live and let live' attitude. They know, deep down, that no matter how sincere and strongly held your own personal morals and values may be, the time is past when you could force the rest of society to abide by them too (provided there's no harm to society). They know that people are largely coming to the conclusion that laws that make life far worse for some members of society while having no discernible positive effects for anyone will not, in the end, survive. And they know that they have no reasonable argument to back up their beliefs; all they have is fear and misdirection and smokescreens. I think a lot of the folks who tasted defeat twice in the debate over homosexuality (once when it became socially acceptable, and again once gay marriage became a reality) have moved on to this as the next battle. But they're going to lose again, and for the same reasons. Just as letting two guys or two women have their commitment to each other recognized by the state didn't unleash a tide of polygamy or incest or bestiality or floods or plagues of locusts, so will the decriminalization of sex work not make the slightest difference to day-to-day life for most people, while greatly improving it for some. And so what do they do, in their frustration and their rage and their impotence? They do the only thing they can: they lash out, at whichever target is available. They attempt to silence their opponents, because they hate and fear the arguments against them and know that they cannot ever win any kind of reasonable debate that's based on evidence and logic. To some extent, I can sympathize; it must be a terrible thing to know that you're wrong, and that the world knows it, and that you're too heavily invested in this to back down gracefully, and that in the end you'll lose anyway - again. That must hurt like hell, every day. It doesn't make their lashing out forgivable, or acceptable, but... I can kinda see where they're coming from.

Two things I want to say on this. The first is: congratulations, and thanks. To everyone. This thread had only a few posts last time I looked at it, and I must admit I had thought it would inevitably turn into a shitstorm. But.. it hasn't: we have instead had (mostly) an interesting and useful and civilized discussion on a subject that really doesn't seem to come up very often. That's a rare and precious thing; you have only to look at comment threads on news articles or even some of the other boards to know that. And if that lot sounds patronizing... honestly, it's not meant that way. I've tried to avoid sounding condescending, but I'm not sure that I've succeeded. The second is a more general and non-specific thought on GFE, and what it is, and - more importantly - what it isn't. If we're honest, we clients don't want to have an experience that's exactly like we'd get from a girlfriend. We just want the good bits. The highlights. We only want to give as much as we feel inclined to give, rather than giving as much as is necessary. And the ladies know this. That's why, when you go to see a SP, she won't tell you that your shirt doesn't suit you. She won't spend the first hour venting about what a bad day she's had, or fretting because her puppy's off his food. She won't decide that no, she just wants to cuddle this evening (unless you want that too) and she sure as hell won't have a headache. She'll give you the impression that she enjoys your company just as much as you enjoy hers. You get all the positives of a girlfriend, and none of the negative stuff or the stuff that might require effort on your part. Is this selfish? Of course! And that, of course, is one of the reasons that there's an envelope on the table. And that comes back to this thread. We guys know that menstruation happens, just as bad days and sick pets and headaches and all the other things that might make things less than stellar also happen... but, if we're honest, we don't want to have to deal with that - and part of what we're paying for is not having to deal with that stuff. It doesn't make the slightest difference to our enjoyment whether it's that time of the month or not, or whether today's just a bad day or not, or whether you're faking or not... provided we don't find out. But if we find out, that illusion of the perfect girlfriend is shattered. We're quite happy to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, provided we can plausibly ignore the man - and, preferably, the curtain too. This also comes back to something else mentioned on the board recently; one of the ladies mentioned that she'd had to cut off a client or two for trying to cross the boundaries and get too close. I think the idealized, no-negatives "girlfriend" that we guys meet goes some way towards explaining why this happens; it's easy to forget that the "girlfriend" that you experienced and had a wonderful time with has a real, three-dimensional person underneath, and that you don't get to meet that real person at all just by putting an envelope on the table, and that the fact that you're slightly in love with the idealized GFE doesn't mean you'll feel the same about the real person, or that she'll feel the same about you. Where the hell am I going with this post? Honestly, I'm not quite sure... I guess that really makes it what RG would call a rambling. I think what I'm really working towards is a thought that much of this thread is the result of a disconnect between the day-to-day reality of being a woman on the one hand, and the guys' expectations of a paid-for girlfriend experience on the other. Most of the time, it all works out. But sometimes it doesn't. And then you get... this. And slightly incoherent late-night verbal diarrhea from the likes of me.

I was recently contacted by a prospective client I have been in communication with for some time. He has expressed interest in seeing me during my next Ottawa trip. After noting the undesirable idea of potentially being with an SP who engages in such unsavoury practices as mentioned on this thread (using sponges, working during one's "cycle"), and after making specific note of this thread, he said, that, as a result, he was planning on instituting a new "screening question". He wanted to know as part of screening me if I work through "my cycle". This is an excerpt...the crux of what I wish to say in my reply as I think it has great bearing beyond the singular matter of communication between two people, as this thread and its carry over to other boards has stirred anxiety and dread in many of us who do the work: Dear potential client, I will look forward to your call should you wish to schedule a play date with me... As for the subject of the CERB thread and your new screening question, I will be direct as that is the way I am. I do not work when I'm on my period and certainly would not book my Ottawa trip when I'm expecting mine. But, if you noticed my enthusiasm on the thread, it was to nominate Emily J's post, which really did some justice to the fact that many of us experience spotting at various times in our cycles.....sometimes a bit during ovulation....sometimes randomly as a result of penetration....her post did justice to the reality that women are not robots with a series of inputs and outputs which we can calibrate to the utmost convenience. Many of us would be off more than half of the month if we did not work whenever there was either menstruation or some break through spotting. And, I will be honest, your new 'screening question' will be of little use to you. You can be sure that, when asked such a question, a great many SP will feel obligated into giving you some sort of answer to the effect of "no", rather than saying the question is invasive. In turn, the answers will likely not reflect our complex realities, such as in cases where we have periods pop up unexpectedly and still need to work, or when we are not technically menstruating but may have some breakthrough bleeding. I hope I'm getting through here. It took guts for the SPs who participated on the CERB thread to share about their bodies....to push the conversation deeper for the benefit of all. I hope that you have found my response on this matter to be sufficient to your screening process. Once you call, should you choose to call, I will be better able to finish mine. Cheers, Anna If we want to keep CERB a place that resists stigmatizing SPs, I suggest that our personal contributions to sensitive yet important topics like this be valued and noted for what they are; an opportunity for men...for our clients to get a better sense of how we actually experience our bodies. I do appreciate the candour shared here by service providers and plenty of willingness on the part of hobbyists who have contributed to the thread to evolve their thinking and assumptions and to encourage others to do so too. In the Spirit of continuing dialogue in a thoughtful, respectful direction.

I'm writing this to let you all know that I have decided to make a gracious exit from the world of hobbying I have enjoyed for over fifteen years. I have met an incredible civilian woman and want to see where things go... it looks very promising! Another factor in my decision has also been the impending arrival of new laws governing the industry as a whole. When taken together, I feel this is the right time to step aside. That said, I will be keeping my account open and will continue to check in from time to time. The only difference is I will no longer be an active member in terms of seeing ladies and writing recommendations. I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the privilege of having been allowed to be a member of this fine caring, compassionate and upstanding community. I am leaving with a treasure trove of experiences and memories which I will always cherish. My decision leaves me with mixed emotions still, as Cerb is more than just a community... For me, it's more of an 'extended family' of sorts and I will miss the interaction and banter I have had with all of you, many of whom I consider friends. The future is uncertain by its very nature, and I may decide to return sooner rather than later. But for right now, I feel this is the right decision for me. Again, from the bottom of my heart - thank you, everyone! P.S. I will also be posting this message on another board which I am a member of.

Phaedrus is right. We all know the moment "it" happens, we feel it in our gut. That moment where there is not a fact someone has presented still standing under scrutiny and the next words out of their mouth is a personalized attack. It's in that moment we know we have reached deep down within them and challenged the very core of their beliefs. They struggle to hold onto those beliefs because they are identified with them, it makes them right and others wrong which is integral to their sense of self. They believe it's their belief that makes them who they are; challenging their beliefs with truth is within them akin to a part of them dying. When I'm engaged with someone I always assess them using these 3 points as guidelines. It helps me to formulate which method of engagement to utilize. Is what their are saying... a thought? These are fluid and open to dialogue. an opinion? These are more firmly held but can be challenged and changed with new ideas. A belief? Wars are started and people die for their beliefs. In any discussion, once someone makes it personal it is the most trustworthy sign of defeat. For those who are the casualties of outing, my heart feels for you and I am sorry. Thank you for taking the hit. Just remember we simply have to stay the course and don't engage; the true believers are not the ones we need to sway. It's those with thoughts and opinions who will turn the tide for us and I genuinely believe that change will come... cat

After months of feeding 2 squirrels daily with some yummy goodies, one of them finally took a leap of faith and ate from the palm of my hands today :) Hopefully, the other one comes around soon too!

I hope the antis keep up with this. It shows their true colours. Plus, this is nothing new. They've been at this since the 70's. I've been called a traitor to the female sex, a collaborator, in collusion with the patriarchy, a racist, supporting colonialism, a liar, a member of the pimp lobby and just a plain old whore. The best course of action is DO NOT ENGAGE. Ignore and block.

If you ever encounter any sort of problems with anyone while working, anything ranging from sexual assault to theft, intimidation, abuse, harassment, threats, stalking or anything else, and want to talk directly to a female officer who will listen and help (if you want it), here is the name of an Ottawa officer who has been helpful to sex workers in the past: Sergeant Patricia Ferguson Sexual Assault Section Tel. 613-236-1222, ext. 5463 Or, to anonymously report to the police any kind of bad behaviour you've experienced: Bad Date Line Call 1-800-303-5407 - anonymously. http://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/ServingOttawa/SectionsAndUnits/saca/baddateline.aspx From Ottawa Police Services: Working in the sex trade can make you a vulnerable target, and predators count on the fact that you may not report crimes against you. We need your help to identify and track serial and predatory offenders. The anonymous reporting system is for individuals victimized while engaging in the sex trade. By calling the toll free number (1-800-303-5407), you will be prompted to leave a message regarding the details of your assault along with as much of an offender description as possible. Information gathered could be the missing link needed in identifying a serial predator. The anonymous and free Bad Date Line gives you an opportunity to report sexual and physical assault without revealing your identity. For more information about the Ottawa Bad Date Line, download their pamphlet (PDF, 206k). The Ottawa Police Service understands the desire of victims to remain anonymous and supports the Bad Date Line in an effort to identify potential serial offenders preying upon victims who they believe will not report the attack to police. The Bad Date Line does not subscribe to caller ID and no attempts will be made to identify callers. It is preferred that victims contact police directly to report an assault so that a proper investigation can be conducted and ensure a predator is removed from the street. Ottawa Police treat all victims fairly and equitably. If you wish to speak with an officer regarding an assault or receive more information regarding the investigation process, you may contact the Sexual Assault Unit directly at 613-236-1222, ext. 5944.

Fuck Man !!!! I had to walk around with a beer and regroup there I was laughing so frickin hard !!! Hahahaha Problem there tho NJ ......... Lulu's make my ass look fat.......

Mini-Magnum, I was going to recommend you wear a long untucked shirt but my best advice to you would be "Postpone the meeting till I get some action baby" If your head is in your pants during the meeting and too much schmoozing is going on, those stunning business shark babes might screw you over in a way that doesn't feel too good... Your current 4 months will end up feeling like nothing at all ;) Haha! Postpone! Postpone!

Got my medal and certificate back from the framing shop. It looks even better than I expected. Professionally framed looks so much better than do it yourself with a dime store frame My retirement gift to myself RG

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Good luck with the new relationship! And if that doesn't work out... don't worry about the silly new laws. This industry isn't going anywhere :)

Very catchy original unique ad titles...they draw the reader to the ad They set the tone for the rest of the ad and tell the reader who is the lady writing Some are so unique the title is almost synonymous with the lady's name...you can just see the ad title and know without looking any further who wrote it A lady's writings should reflect who she is And when the lady includes a photo from her album in her ad post that just adds (pardon the pun) to the ad A rambling RG

This lifestyle has a certain degree of risk. But as has been said before, everyone's sexual health is their own business. When you are intimate with someone in a poly amorous lifestyle, which this is, it is accepted that a risk exists. If a client chooses to proceed with an encounter with a lady, any lady, he is accepting a certain degree of risk. Likewise a lady, if she agrees to see a client, accepts a certain degree of risk too The argument of health risk here is a red herring. Each and every time a SP/Client engage in an encounter, irrespective of what menu items are performed, has a potential risk. Condoms and dental dams are risk reduction, not risk elimination. If a client truly, and truly believes in the risk of performing daty, simple solution, don't. Likewise, in the same vein, then show the same courtesy to a lady, and never ask for a bbbj. But really, if risk of STD/STI is a real concern, notwithstanding using condoms/dental dams, then perhaps one should re-think his/her participation in this lifestyle. Safer options are out there. Like an exclusive monogamous relationship with one partner. A partner who is willing to share her cycle with you. Or, and not being glib, masturbation This lifestyle is about risk/rewards. The risks, well for both lady and gentleman, STD/STI, being ripped off, assaults...well the bad side of this lifestyle has been discussed elsewhere on CERB. The rewards. For the ladies, a source of income, a livelihood for them. For the gentlemen, an escape, pleasure, companionship. So if you want to stay absolutely risk free, this isn't the lifestyle for it But if you want to reduce your risks, choose not to perform certain acts, or use dental dams But a lady, while it would be nice if she did let a client know, is under no obligation to let a client know her sexual health...because her sexual health, as is everyone's, ladies and gentlemen alike, is private and her own responsibility A rambling RG

I think that all of us are and can be sensitive to the other person, however I still have to say that offering sexual services while using a sponge and NOT telling your partner/lover/friend is not allowing them the choice. That to me personally is voiding informed consent. I don't think anyone would be as passive about that if the gender roles were reversed. We are women and we get our periods monthly. We know this. We should prepare for this. That would also mean to me personally, budgeting my income cash flow with my out going expense. I understand that some feel they can not do this. Some are not aware of what options they have in financial planning and we never know the bills of someone else so who are we to say. I understand that not everyone has the same business sense as me and I completely understand that while I have the advantage of working or not working at this point in my life, others do not. I am 38 and can fully retire. From every line of work. I am a rare breed in this regard. I accept this and do not preach. However, I worked extremely hard to get where I am. I am not in some luxury status now. I worked extremely hard, sacrificed a lot and now can enjoy the benefit of it. Being that escorting is generally a cash business, I can see how managing that money can be difficult but not impossible. There are many financial planning tricks that would work so much better for a companion. Things that would grant her the ability to take time off during regular menstruation but even more importantly, it would give her more freedom and control over her business. Something that I think all women should look into and not just because of this sponge/period issue. This industry does not, under any circumstances, have to be feast or famine. It can be very much different and I strongly encourage all ladies to look into proper financial planning to ensure that you never have to feel that feast or famine feeling. Having said all that, I really can't help but think of the men who have, for a variety of different reasons, issue with sex while a woman is on her menses. This would go for any woman in his life, including his wife. We are not talking about when "accidents" happen. I also fully agree that tact and respect when these accidents happen however is a must. However some of the comments from the ladies regarding her right to work trumping a mans right to informed consent to sexual services is a little shocking to say the least. I know I am the new comer here, but I can not support the idea of "he didn't notice, so I am all good". That does not work for me regardless of the gender role of the person or the issue that person might be having. Informed consent should be in my opinion the TOP priority when rolling in the sheets with anyone. Client or civilian lover.

Again, I am commenting a little off topic but since this point is being discussed... Ryan, I think it is important not to generalize here; not all SPs offer (unprotected) Daty because of the "market demand". Some of us actually enjoy it and enjoy it a LOT. The same can be said about other sexual activities...

I don't see it as secrecy, simply what the buyers market here has dictated. Canadian clients expect bb daty and many take convincing to actually use a dental dam. Here in Ottawa I have only had one client request the use of a dam before we've met in the last decade. I can't speak for other providers but that indicates to me that it just isn't that genuine a concern for most hobbyists. Unless of course it goes wrong as this thread has indicated. I'm going to clarify something that seems to have escaped some. How often does a provider insist a client go down on her? Think about it. Daty is performed for the client, not the provider during a first, second or even a third apptointment. I have yet to meet a provider that says "My guys have to go down on me." Most of the providers in my circle would prefer not to have guys perform daty until there is some connection and trust. In my experience, a woman has to be able to relax in order to enjoy it which seldom happens at the onset of this dynamic and I also believe it should only happen at her request. I consider daty a consumer driven service when it's listed on a menu and often an appointment will hinge on whether or not it's provided; many men decline when they are told it's safe service only. If there was genuine risk management going on, clients would realize the chance of menses and the dam would be requested regardless of whether or not a provider admits to being on her cycle or not. To me this is a case of having your cake and eating it too. From a practical standpoint I simply don't see it going both ways. If you want unprotected daty, then you assume the worst possible risk is present and accept it or you use protection. Until there are legislated health and safety practices in place (which most of the industry seems resistant to according to the bbbj thread), the fact remains that a man never knows what is happening in his providers reproductive organs and the onus is on him if he wants to perform orally. If daty is that important to him, he should insist that precautions are used or accept the consequences of his decision if the results are less than he desired. Anything else is simply abdicating responsibility... cat

After reading this thread for the last few days, I think most if not all the folks here (myself included) feel sorry for the SP in question. I have a feeling that the OP probably realizes that he could have been over reacting with what he said he did by the fact that he went back and edited out that particular para. When one encounters something unexpected like blood during a sex act, everyone could react differently including being shocked. I mentioned ( probably too hastily) in my earlier post (#7) that I was shocked too. But in actual fact, my cool head ;) prevailed in that I did not react hastily - I simply showed them ( the SPs) the stains. My experiences didn't involve sponge, by the way. The two ladies were actually more shocked and were very embarrassed. I comforted them, washed up and came back to continue the sessions (without certain activities obviously). I even posted recos to thank them for the overall very enjoyable sessions - without mentioning the incidents. My original donations stayed with them and I gave them a good tip as well. Reading the whole thread, I would say I've learned many new things. If I could summarise, these will be - many ladies have the need to work through their periods - a sponge could be used to prevent the flow and allow them to continue working - the consensus is that clients will like to be informed ahead of time - the time of month could sometimes arrive unexpectedly.. - and when it does, it should be handled with compassion since this is more like an accident and it is a natural biological process One last thing, to those who do not think we pay ladies to hang out, I am one of those who actually did and will continue to. I enjoy social times like going out for lunch, dinner, a stroll in the park, a bike ride and even skating and skiing.

I would like to express my sympathies as well for the provider that went through as a first encounter. I hope this has not discouraged her as it's a rare this happens. It's all uphill from here if it's any consolation. I'm not going to comment further on what should be disclosed to the client as it's been well discussed. There's a crucial part to this situation that has bothered me that I am going to mention to protect ourselves financially. Once a client has decided to stay he no longer has access to the donation. It sounds like she was given a cancellation fee that is only acceptable if he left immediately. That was not the case. It's a good idea to tuck the donation away in a safe place to protect ourselves from this kind of situation. It can be done discreetly after introductions. Unfortunately, it takes situations like this to learn from them and we should always be prepared. Especially when meeting someone for the first time.

I'm in the same boat as piano, don't know what I would do but hope that I would react in the same manner that many if the ladies have treated me during our time together. I'm a middle age man with a little guy that most can DT without gagging and not one lady has ever laugh, stare or snicker when they see me naked (can't say that my high-school buddies treated me with the same level of respect during shower time after gym class). On top of that, I've had some crazy shit happen such as loosing the erection between positions, having to run and urinate (yes, I gave junior a shower before returning), getting too excited and shooting prematurely and even a condom break. None of the ladies have ever lost it or overreacted, in fact they just went with it. For me, it was embarrassing when these things happened but got over it quickly because of the ladies' reaction. As for the money, I will not take the money back without consent. As soon as I decide to stay, I've committed to taking up the agreed amount of time and that is what I need to pay for. Therefore the money belongs to the lady at that point and taking any of it back without consent is theft in my mind. PS I added the words 'without consent' because shit happens and she may decided to offer money back. I still wouldn't take the money back unless it was a long multi hour session but cut short dramatically by her.

To be honest I don't like these old and worn out questions . All of this is chemistry and a relationship built over time. In NS I have many reccos that I am the best at this or that, anyone that says anyone is the best at anything is simply meetings another's request, either on Cerb or in every day life.... This can be a relationship built over time or a very skilled SP that has learned her guests needs. Forgive me but the best of this or that is quite prosperous. Enjoy what you are doing or get really good at following instruction . Hmm, is that so hard ? For slow learners I can run a program!! Katherine

I just read this really great article, "In Defense of Faking It." http://www.playboy.com/articles/in-defense-of-faking-it1 Discuss.

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Ahhh good thinkin Red !!! I would then look like a Medium-Me !! With a fat ass .......? ;) Lulu's may give me a complex. Cause I am a guy. From the sticks. Guys in the sticks don't wear Lulu's. Even if Notch does in Montreal.

Yeah but think about what it could do for your Mini-Me! ;)

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Congratulations Fortunateone on the 3000 post mark! I always enjoy reading your opinions and have appreciated the many links to news stories that you have posted for us in the last few months. Keep it up. MN2

I always tell them breasts are like a man's balls which are sensitive and would they like them to be grabbed that way. It never happens again.

Hello Zoe! I'm sure you would be welcomed with open arms however I'll leave that up to the gents to comment on. Fall here is pretty great. You can normally still find very nice days and cooler evenings. The weather is still pretty mild and traveling is still on the good side. Personally I would think it's a great time for a visit as fall is setting in and lovely gents need some warming up! Good luck with everything if you decide to visit.

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- Know-it-all people that come to conclusions based on the assumptions they make and share them as facts... - The world revolves around ME and only ME attitude... What about showing a little respect for others? - Grocery stores - Parking at shopping centers... It's not winter yet. Why do you have to hunk at me when there's a spot available 3 cars down from where I am? - Text message lingo in an email request for a rendez-vous. What U say dude? Me only speaks French and English ;)

I think that's also known as a Tantric finish.

Hmmmm... lol At the top of the list: People who don't answer the question asked. Well, they give an answer but they don't answer the question (lol) which then leads to an irritation with people who don't read or listen to what is being asked (just in general conversation in any setting). People who use question period at events for mini speeches, "So what was the question you wanted answered?" Also, bad grammar and horrible spelling. I don't mind spelling mistakes (it happens--I do appreciate a good auto-correct though lol). But the outright laziness in trying to construct a basic sentence: Grrrrr :vf: lol

I find it especially sad that the chorus of voices singing against a legalized sex trade, who hide behind allegedly religious intentions, do nothing else other than spit venom. You will often hear them talk about the "poor girls who are forced into the business", but ask how many of them have ever reached out to these women, or volunteered at a woman's shelter, and you can be assured the answer will be most often "no". It's sad our society is so sexually oppressed that complete strangers feel the need to regulate the activities between consenting adults. Hopefully, someday, people will learn that the negative plight of many women in this industry is caused by the current sex trade model, not an inherent effect of the industry itself.

Maybe this will help a little: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=147748

Maybe the 'erb and baby cow boards need to advertise on CL and BP...

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I think that hits the nail squarely on the head piano. They regurgitate the same rhetoric that they hear from there favorite conservative voice, be it politician or clergy or whatever because they haven't the capacity for coming to their own conclusions based on fact checking and intelligent reasoning. Part of that is sheer laziness in their part but a lot of it has to do with a lack of intelligence and a bunch of brainwashing. We've seen this throughout human history. The Crusades, the inquisition, prohibition, the drug war, etc. Prostitution has always been the easiest and most targetted. And yet, here we are in the same old boat, the minority of intelligent, logical thinkers trying to persuade fools of their folly.

Well reading, OK continuing to read the thread, I'm rethinking my opinion. It would be nice for a lady to mention if it was that time of the month to a client. And not prior to an encounter, for him to decide whether to show or not to show. But when the encounter begins, so he can decide if he would like to perform daty as part of the date. But that said, everyone's sexual health is their own business A lady isn't compelled to answer if she has a STD/STI A man isn't compelled to answer if he has a STD/STI So why should a lady be compelled to tell prior to an encounter if it's that time of the month. She shouldn't There are protections out there to reduce risk be it condoms, dental dams etc. If a man wishes to perform daty use a dental dam Now I did say it would be nice if she did tell, but she shouldn't feel forced to do so On a related note, just as a lady shouldn't be compelled to disclosed, neither should a man. I had an encounter with a lady in Ottawa a few years ago. Well in the course of grooming myself down there the day before the date, I cut (well nicked more accurately) myself shaving, at the base of my penis. Even with a condom, a risk of blood exchange, no matter how minute, could possibly happen. I could have said nothing and gone forward with a normal encounter. Or cancelled, denying the lady income for a period of time she set aside for me. Or number three, which is what I did, tell her, and have an encounter that did not include fs or bj, but that didn't mean we didn't have a fulfilling enjoyable encounter So what is my point of this. No one is required to reveal their sexual health to anyone else, it's their own business. Second, that said, it would be nice to disclose something that may be of concern to their partner. Not obliged to do so, but it would be nice. Third, if there is something of concern, that doesn't mean IMO cancelling the date...it just means the date unfolds differently than expected...and different doesn't mean worse, sometimes different can be equally enjoyable. Finally encounters are about two adults engaging in intimate activities. Part of that is an expectation that everyone is mature, and understands life happens, and can deal maturely with life happening when it throws you a curve. A lady having her period is not the end of the earth. It is a normal fact of life. And both SP/Client can adapt and have an enjoyable memorable encounter if that happens A long winded rambling RG

If you actually thought it through, you would see that is a tremendous ask. If risk aversion is your goal, you don't perform unprotected daty I'm to assume? As we have had the oral sex "risk" discussion ad nauseum here and the resounding response from most hobbyists is that they will make their own decisions regarding safe oral sex all the while the actual weight of the risk is carried by the SP. Now the shoe is on the other foot the tone and response is decidedly different. With a bbbj, the risk is carried by the provider and I genuinely believe most who provide it only so so because of the negative financial impact if one doesn't offer it. We already share the most intimate parts of ourselves with our clients, now it's expected we disclose our menstrual cycles as well? Perhaps we should keep photos of our enemas discharges so greek freaks can be assured we prepared to their satisfaction? This is why I have never offered a menu or consent to see clients who demand one. I agree to nothing in advance which leaves me with the option of guiding the session to ensure I only engage in activities I know to be safe with my guests. Not all ladies have that luxury with their client base. Given the feast and famine nature of the business, there are many who can't afford to lose 20-25% of her yearly income. I'd like to see what men would do if they had to take a 25% a year pay hit for a bodily function. Especially when it never coincides with the other things we have to take time off for; like being out of work for a urinary track infection or yeast infection. Which btw is also an almost monthly occurrence for many of us due to our work and we physically can't work thru it. Or any of the other things like the flu and cold epidemics we are exposed to daily that "real" jobs have paid, legislated sick days for which we are not entitled to. The reality is that sex workers have been using sponges for as long as sex workers and sponges have been around. My stance on this is safe play saves. Until you know and trust someone, use barrier protection for all acts that may exchange body fluids. It isn't rocket science, just a piece of rubber and if you don't want to use one, then be prepared for the unexpected...

I wasn't going to comment but I started thinking that SP might be reading this. So, to that lady I just want to say this, I'm sorry. I don't know how you feel right now but I would be embarrassed and insulted - even more so now that this thread has taken hold. If it is any consolation, this is the exception. Most men on here are sweet and understanding and kind (as you may know), I'm sorry that this experience wasnt a positive one. Nobody should ever treat a person in such an insulting manner. If you ever need to talk please know that there are so many of us that want to listen and help whenever we can.

Yes, let's be honest: we're all here because we love sex and this community revolves around it BUT my point earlier was that for some people, it is not just about sex. This is where the GFE companionship comes in. Your comment about nobody wanting to pay "any of us" just to "hang out" is solely based on your own personal views and feelings and not in the least bit accurate. Not to highjack this thread further, I will not even comment on the "depressing" part of a gentleman seeking companionship...

Prostitution is the world's oldest profession. It is NEVER going away! Are you listening Peter Mackass Uh... I meant Mackay?? Even the Cons need a hot woman every now and then to release them of their uppity, uptight moral values.

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Wow! Congradulations :)

I heard that discussed on CBC so I looked it up. As Ms Laurence points out, there are several other papers supporting the findings of the Lancet article. Coles Notes version: prostitution may be disagreeable but decriminalising and managing the risk reduces overall harm to society. The Tories cannot grasp this. Like they cannot grasp the idea of "Harm Reduction" in the case of the safe injection site they tried to shut down. Managing through decriminalising reduces the cost to our legal system, the cost to our healthcare system, and the cost to our social services. It also reduces the dangers and violence against the women who work as prostitutes. So it should be a logical decision to opt for decriminalising.

Our own Miss Kathryn44, with thanks. A pic of her from the AW social group.