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I think it's one of those ideas that is good and fine in theory (MightyPen as usual summed it up well) but I would say likely to be bad in actual practice. I think the can of worms it would open is that it would encourage too many guys to start offering services in return instead of the requested donation amount. It's all too easy to picture a fellow telling one lady how "the other lady agreed if I washed her dishes and walked her dog I'd get 30 minutes!" Or "you let my friend have time with you for court-side tickets, why can't I??" It's my opinion that it's a lady's right to decide what her time is worth--be that a $ amount or some other good or service. And if the only time such an exchange happened was a when a lady specifically advertised for such, then it may not be too bad. But as I say, doing so comes with the risk that it will increase how often guys try such negotiations when it's not appropriate or wanted.

True. Plus the need to spend time haggling every time you do it, since you can't have an up-front rate for your time if you don't know what you're going to be exchanging it for. I get the impression most ladies aren't fond of haggling.

I think it's totally fine if both parties are comfortable with it. What two people choose to exchange is entirely between them. After all, what's the difference between asking for $500, versus something you both agree is worth $500? Part of the trick, though, is agreeing beforehand on what's really worth $500, plus ensuring that Service B really does get performed following the delivery of Service A. There can be a lot of practical problems making service-barter work in real life. Currency is immediate and convenient, which is one of the reasons it's so popular in general. ;) Incidentally I voted "no opinion" because I don't think is a bad idea, nor a great idea, just a bit tricky and situational.

Looks like she is indeed of legal age... make one curious how old you are then? anyway.... trying to cause the lady problems gets you booted.

I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up!

From all the pages I have read after commenting I notice It's a torn between been honest vs fantasy land because we get compensate In an ideal world clients would be forward about having cold sores,genital warts or been not clean before and ladies would tell you when it's the time of the month,etc By revealing that, we crush the fantasy land of the provider that never have period,never shit,never sick always like sex regardless of hygiene,appearance,behaviors Bottom line each individual should be responsible of revealing their conditions on each side.. Does it happen all the time? No As much as some of you feel entitle to know when I will have my period which for me is 2days max and travel all the time but do take night off with Gf etc I had a past condition were I was pregnant and waiting to get surgery and end up bleeding I recently had a girl disclose what I said about myself to clients .from private lounge I had flood of clients texting me telling me they felt insecure to see me as I may be at risk due to condom breaking and end up pregnant regardless of plan b and be at hospital..That incident happened two years ago..yet I was questioned When the situation happened I was at hospital I did everything on my end to make sure I wasn't putting anyone at risk..The client did as well When I end up bleeding I wasn't suppose to..I took some time off to get an abortion which I wasn't treat properly and in a very demeaning way Not only I had to deal with lost income while I was in USA I was notify that they may have overlook and I was still pregnant..fast forward will all tests in USA and they weren't able to go forward I rack I huge medical bill(roughly 10k) I was brought back to canada where they operate me for my condition I also find very offensive on my end that someone would book and app and think I won't notice his cold sore or genital warts As for Greek people said it's normal to deal with it or expect it.. I do Greek and pegging and strongly disagree with this I do natural enema and I'm very anal about it that it's skeequy clean..I do expect same in return and the compensation for my time doesn't justify me dealing a lot of shit off your butt because YOU inquire about ass play This activities involve risks on both end and I agreed to it and fully aware of it Personally I find it offensive to be ask to be the first,that you ask me if I'm on my period or have any diseases,how many times I fuck a day I am not judgmental who come to see me and don't interrogate them that way. Yet I have seen quite frustrating situation where someone want all is money back because I decline service as he had a cold sore and try to sneak it in Not only he book a time that I could give someone else but expect me to perform activity at risk as he has a condition and feel he should take the whole donation back because I disagree Full disclosure should be on both end..it's only fair ( mean what you and your wife do etc) Anyway like roamyguy I'm a bit rambling but I think you know what is my post is about VJ

Well Jabba. On my WGASL list .... not long ago I read that Justin Biebs and Miss Gomez held hands in Canada !!!!! Well Holy Fuck that's news worthy . Probably a wedding and divorce soon ? ;)

Latest MSN news that Brad & Angelina FINALLY got married...whew - I was worried there for awhile. Your WGASL?

Whatever your field is, I would be curious to know how many times other professionals have been asked this very question. Dear gas attendant, it is my birthday today, can you charge me less per liter or in total? Dear mechanic, it is my birthday today, can I get a discount on your time and/or car parts? Dear dentist, it is my birthday today... Dear cashier at the grocery store... Dear psychologist... Dear landscaper... Dear babysitter... ... ... ... Would you ask those people for a discount for your birthday? Why not? So why does it always seem acceptable to ask this famous question to SPs aka sex workers? Because restaurants give you a cake with a candle on it for your birthday? The best way to "have your cake and eat it too" is to go to a restaurant and then go see an SP! Additional Comments: I almost forgot... Happy Birthday to the OP!

I advertise on both, as well as here. I try to make a point of asking clients where they found my ad and most of the time it is bp and they just made the decision from there. If I was spending money to see a companion I would do more homework than that! There must be so many men out there getting ripped off or getting poor service.

Lee, we discussed this in the past, you said they would look good on me but Gabby said I looked better with my leather chaps only(that means bare bottom).

I'm a two to three times a week guy. I blame my libido.

I'd reply but doesn't that mean I give a shit about not giving a shit LOL RG :-)

Well when I started it averaged one date a month. Because of personal circumstances in my life it is reduced to a date once every few months My days of disappointing encounters is long gone though. While many guys use recommendations as a guide on who to see, what I found works for me is when a lady I trust and respect endorses (if that's the right word) another lady. Also, I repeat with ladies I have seen and have a good time with, which all but eliminates disappointing encounter. I've found one trick to avoid a disappointing date...stick with the ladies from CERB. All my bad dates were from CL, Er*s, and other sites. The ladies on CERB have a board presence, profile, recommendations (sometimes) and so on. Anyhow, a rambling RG

I called today and requested a session with either Coco or Marie. I wasn't sure if the man on the other end understood. When I arrived, I was greeted by Lisa. When I asked about Coco and Marie, Lisa told me she would give me a massage and would take good care of me. I believed her, and her attractive face and body didn't hurt either in helping me say OK. Lisa proceeded to give me a very good massage om my back, ass, legs (back and front), and chest. When the right moment came, she started to massage my little friend who tags along wherever I go. After several minutes of massage, he demonstrated his approval in a very visible way. I will definitely repeat with this gem. As far as the move goes, they aren't moving to Main Street in September or October. They are going to open a second, much larger location there, and leep the existing one open.

Two things I want to say on this. The first is: congratulations, and thanks. To everyone. This thread had only a few posts last time I looked at it, and I must admit I had thought it would inevitably turn into a shitstorm. But.. it hasn't: we have instead had (mostly) an interesting and useful and civilized discussion on a subject that really doesn't seem to come up very often. That's a rare and precious thing; you have only to look at comment threads on news articles or even some of the other boards to know that. And if that lot sounds patronizing... honestly, it's not meant that way. I've tried to avoid sounding condescending, but I'm not sure that I've succeeded. The second is a more general and non-specific thought on GFE, and what it is, and - more importantly - what it isn't. If we're honest, we clients don't want to have an experience that's exactly like we'd get from a girlfriend. We just want the good bits. The highlights. We only want to give as much as we feel inclined to give, rather than giving as much as is necessary. And the ladies know this. That's why, when you go to see a SP, she won't tell you that your shirt doesn't suit you. She won't spend the first hour venting about what a bad day she's had, or fretting because her puppy's off his food. She won't decide that no, she just wants to cuddle this evening (unless you want that too) and she sure as hell won't have a headache. She'll give you the impression that she enjoys your company just as much as you enjoy hers. You get all the positives of a girlfriend, and none of the negative stuff or the stuff that might require effort on your part. Is this selfish? Of course! And that, of course, is one of the reasons that there's an envelope on the table. And that comes back to this thread. We guys know that menstruation happens, just as bad days and sick pets and headaches and all the other things that might make things less than stellar also happen... but, if we're honest, we don't want to have to deal with that - and part of what we're paying for is not having to deal with that stuff. It doesn't make the slightest difference to our enjoyment whether it's that time of the month or not, or whether today's just a bad day or not, or whether you're faking or not... provided we don't find out. But if we find out, that illusion of the perfect girlfriend is shattered. We're quite happy to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, provided we can plausibly ignore the man - and, preferably, the curtain too. This also comes back to something else mentioned on the board recently; one of the ladies mentioned that she'd had to cut off a client or two for trying to cross the boundaries and get too close. I think the idealized, no-negatives "girlfriend" that we guys meet goes some way towards explaining why this happens; it's easy to forget that the "girlfriend" that you experienced and had a wonderful time with has a real, three-dimensional person underneath, and that you don't get to meet that real person at all just by putting an envelope on the table, and that the fact that you're slightly in love with the idealized GFE doesn't mean you'll feel the same about the real person, or that she'll feel the same about you. Where the hell am I going with this post? Honestly, I'm not quite sure... I guess that really makes it what RG would call a rambling. I think what I'm really working towards is a thought that much of this thread is the result of a disconnect between the day-to-day reality of being a woman on the one hand, and the guys' expectations of a paid-for girlfriend experience on the other. Most of the time, it all works out. But sometimes it doesn't. And then you get... this. And slightly incoherent late-night verbal diarrhea from the likes of me.

I think I might have to do it just one last time... Now I just have to pick some music and add a few new outfits. Care to join? 613-415-55 * 33

I was recently contacted by a prospective client I have been in communication with for some time. He has expressed interest in seeing me during my next Ottawa trip. After noting the undesirable idea of potentially being with an SP who engages in such unsavoury practices as mentioned on this thread (using sponges, working during one's "cycle"), and after making specific note of this thread, he said, that, as a result, he was planning on instituting a new "screening question". He wanted to know as part of screening me if I work through "my cycle". This is an excerpt...the crux of what I wish to say in my reply as I think it has great bearing beyond the singular matter of communication between two people, as this thread and its carry over to other boards has stirred anxiety and dread in many of us who do the work: Dear potential client, I will look forward to your call should you wish to schedule a play date with me... As for the subject of the CERB thread and your new screening question, I will be direct as that is the way I am. I do not work when I'm on my period and certainly would not book my Ottawa trip when I'm expecting mine. But, if you noticed my enthusiasm on the thread, it was to nominate Emily J's post, which really did some justice to the fact that many of us experience spotting at various times in our cycles.....sometimes a bit during ovulation....sometimes randomly as a result of penetration....her post did justice to the reality that women are not robots with a series of inputs and outputs which we can calibrate to the utmost convenience. Many of us would be off more than half of the month if we did not work whenever there was either menstruation or some break through spotting. And, I will be honest, your new 'screening question' will be of little use to you. You can be sure that, when asked such a question, a great many SP will feel obligated into giving you some sort of answer to the effect of "no", rather than saying the question is invasive. In turn, the answers will likely not reflect our complex realities, such as in cases where we have periods pop up unexpectedly and still need to work, or when we are not technically menstruating but may have some breakthrough bleeding. I hope I'm getting through here. It took guts for the SPs who participated on the CERB thread to share about their bodies....to push the conversation deeper for the benefit of all. I hope that you have found my response on this matter to be sufficient to your screening process. Once you call, should you choose to call, I will be better able to finish mine. Cheers, Anna If we want to keep CERB a place that resists stigmatizing SPs, I suggest that our personal contributions to sensitive yet important topics like this be valued and noted for what they are; an opportunity for men...for our clients to get a better sense of how we actually experience our bodies. I do appreciate the candour shared here by service providers and plenty of willingness on the part of hobbyists who have contributed to the thread to evolve their thinking and assumptions and to encourage others to do so too. In the Spirit of continuing dialogue in a thoughtful, respectful direction.

You are not the only one who feels this way. You are not being picky or unreasonable because ultimately you have to do what is best for you. If it doesn't feel right then it means it's not for you. Always trust your instincts in this business. They never fail you. I feel the same way. Most here know of my dislike for BP. I've tried advertising there a few times and didn't like the clientele. Mostly low ballers, students who not want but expect a deal for 10 minutes. I have 20 year olds telling me my rates are too high and they can go get service for x amount as if they know everything.. Well why are they still talking to me? lol. I'm offering an experience, not a 5 minute bj that they seem to so desperately want. Then if I quote a rate for whatever length of time, they want to know the rate for a particular act. I'm an established SP. Granted, I'm not 20 years old but I believe that experience counts for something and some people appreciate that I take the time and effort for my clients. I'm sure there are some good SPs on BP but it's just not for me and I haven't had luck with it. The business has changed and while I have great regulars who appreciate spending quality time with me, I won't lie and say the thought of semi- retiring comes to mind. I don't like the direction the business has taken and I don't like being treated as though I'm someone who is a revolving door who just performs specific acts all day long. I see 1-2 clients a day since I have other things that pre-occupy my time. I have also moved over more into massage than escorting and it's something that I enjoy and that I'm good at. I am considering approaching that avenue in a professional manner. BP strikes me as one of those sites where some of the men (not all) who use the site as a get in and get out type transaction with minimal except for finishing to completion. Fast, quick and easy. What happened to the experience of being with an SP? It's just not there anymore and I'm not going to change how I conduct my business because people expect me to do 15 minute appts because other ladies are. That's their perogative and that's how they run their business. However, it doesn't mean that I have to just because someone else is doing it. The customer is not always right. For every 10 callers on BP, there was one decent client but in my experience that was also a long shot. I don't want to pay $12 USD EVERY SINGLE DAY to deal with some people who have no regard for me, that are rude, don't care for what I offer and only what is best for them. I've even had pimps try to contact me and other shady people trying to solicit their illegal business through the ladies on BP under the guise of being a client. I didn't sign up for that. There has to be a mutual respect and I certainly wasn't getting that vibe. I'd rather get a root canal 10 times over than deal with that. I can't tell you how many times I advertised on BP and wanted to rip my hair out that day. I have met many great clients on Cerb and there is more of an appreciation towards the service provider. And it's sad because most of what has been negatively said about sex workers regarding the new proposed legislation is in relation to sites like BP where it doesn't take much for someone to take a few pictures, with a cell phone number and call themselves a service provider. They don't take into consideration the community that is here and not some site where names and faces change on a regular basis.

Where do I start. I saw Bambi for a half hour last week and a 1 hour appointment this week. She is far more beautiful then her pictures and her body is amazing, and she is very proud to show it, wearing high heels while wearing tight booty shorts and slightly bending shows you a very fit and firm figure. She made me feel very relaxed despite being a little nervous at the fact that I hadnt actually been intimate with a girl this good looking ever. Completely non rushed and absolutely awesome. Definitely recommend, you will not regret even a Half hour with her.

There is someone with a pro-C36 agenda. His/her method of attack has been to cherry pick the worst of whats said and display it as being representative of what happens in this industry. Recently, through some digging, she/he released the name of someone (a member of another forum) on twitter. This person has been getting cheered on by the other antis. Be especially careful now. I feel comfortable here posting more information about myself, but I have started being extremely selective on what I share. I know most are, but this just gives me the creeps.

I really don't think you will have any luck on your search. May be if you had seen an SP fairly regularly then you might get some thing extra, like a slightly lower rate but highly unlikely. More like you would get a cupcake or cookies (both items I had received as birthday gifts) but that was only with SPs I had seen regularly over the past few years. Another question, is how were you planning on "proving" your birth date. To really prove the date you would have to show some id. The only reason I received my birthday cupcakes and cookies was that in previous meetings I had mention which month I was born. No exact dates just the general month. Hopefully, you really are looking to celebrate your birthday and are just trying to see if you can swing a "deal". Lots of SPs hate that stuff. I would recommend you play the long game and start seeing some of the fine and generous ladies here on CERB and see what happens in a year from now. Happy Birthday and good luck on your search.

The two things are not mutually exclusive. i think what cat was getting at was that some services are provided due to market demand, and her points (seemingly missed?) that it is FAR more successful with trust and some history with the client, makes her point bang on (to use the drum analogy). An sp can enjoy daty and yet still provide it as a required service due to being a GFE provider due to market demands, and primarily for the consideration of the client not herself. If he is successful at it, that is her personal bonus lol. But an expectation of multiple orgasms possibly a few times a day due to seeing more than a couple of clients, and all multiple daty orgasms, just really isn't going to be realistic. Having said that, the majority of sps want to provide services that they themselves do enjoy, and not provide the ones they do not. So does someone who provides bbbjs or greek truly sincerely enjoy them, all the time with every single client because she just loves it that much? Or after the 5th greek client of the day, still doing it for the pure pleasure and not also because it is a service provided on her menu and ads? It is important, very important, to remember that this is not a FWB or GF/BF relationship, it is a service provider/client relationship, and the sessions are meant to be all about you. Some guys like to spend 45 minutes in daty, and figure that means they should get a discount because it is 'all for her'./ But 'all for her' doesn't pay the bills. re: rep comment, Peachy 'we' aren't assuming sps see up to 5 clients, but being realistic, especially for those who are on a limited schedule or traveling, it is entirely possible that on at least one day or once in a while, someone somewhere is going to see 5 clients. It is simply an example. Would it be better to say 3, 2 ? it is still more than most people experience in a single day. or even several days in a row with 2 a day.

Gawd - great idea in theory, but difficult to finalize. I would never want someone to approach me to barter my services. Period. If however I choose to ask my regular if he wants to barter with me, that would be my decision. I would never do it though. I would prefer to pay for things with cash. Easier Imo.

I gotta stay away from these threads, they make me jealous! 2-3 times a year, I'd say. 2-3 times a week if you count my dreams. ;) Ah well, at least those times sure are memorable!

I would just add to MightyPen's comment that since it is the lady who determines what her rate is, it is up to her to offer bartering as an option for paying the donation. It isn't up to a client/prospective client to offer to pay via bartering, it reeks of negotiating. And most ladies have it in their websites no negotiating. It would be tricky to, pardon the pun, negotiate a bartering arrangement where both parties have a mutually benefited. The simplest thing is to pay the lady's rate. If the lady needs a certain service she has the money from paid encounters to pay for the service. My barter arrangement then would be I'll provide you with X amount of dollars for Y amount of your time LOL A rambling RG

Available today until 11PM PM me to book :boobies:

Republicans, Tea Party types and the Canadian wannabees aka the Conservative Party! Racists, bigots and sexists! Thinking it's Friday when it's only Thursday, not TGIF but SHIT (Sorry Honey, It's Thursday) My regular 2:00 am wake up call to urinate. People who walk and text.

I'm in my fifties and mother still asks me what I want to do when I grow up.........

Now you have me confused LOL RG :-)

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I hope that clicking "thanks" to Ms. Anna Sweets articulate post, doesn't implicate me in some way ! LOL!

This lifestyle has a certain degree of risk. But as has been said before, everyone's sexual health is their own business. When you are intimate with someone in a poly amorous lifestyle, which this is, it is accepted that a risk exists. If a client chooses to proceed with an encounter with a lady, any lady, he is accepting a certain degree of risk. Likewise a lady, if she agrees to see a client, accepts a certain degree of risk too The argument of health risk here is a red herring. Each and every time a SP/Client engage in an encounter, irrespective of what menu items are performed, has a potential risk. Condoms and dental dams are risk reduction, not risk elimination. If a client truly, and truly believes in the risk of performing daty, simple solution, don't. Likewise, in the same vein, then show the same courtesy to a lady, and never ask for a bbbj. But really, if risk of STD/STI is a real concern, notwithstanding using condoms/dental dams, then perhaps one should re-think his/her participation in this lifestyle. Safer options are out there. Like an exclusive monogamous relationship with one partner. A partner who is willing to share her cycle with you. Or, and not being glib, masturbation This lifestyle is about risk/rewards. The risks, well for both lady and gentleman, STD/STI, being ripped off, assaults...well the bad side of this lifestyle has been discussed elsewhere on CERB. The rewards. For the ladies, a source of income, a livelihood for them. For the gentlemen, an escape, pleasure, companionship. So if you want to stay absolutely risk free, this isn't the lifestyle for it But if you want to reduce your risks, choose not to perform certain acts, or use dental dams But a lady, while it would be nice if she did let a client know, is under no obligation to let a client know her sexual health...because her sexual health, as is everyone's, ladies and gentlemen alike, is private and her own responsibility A rambling RG

Some of the scams are really obvious and people who frequent boards like this can spot them. There are also lots of crafty ones that are criminal and I feel for the guys that fall for those. Not everyone reads these boards.

Reread the second paragraph of my post closely. I qualify every statement I make. I'm not saying women don't enjoy daty, I'm saying that it isn't a required service in our work unless the gent indicates an interest. I also didn't say that providers don't enjoy daty in an appointment ever, I simply gave some general parameters to having that happen organically. Talk about twisting words... What amazes me with this industry is willingness of the participants; both provider and client to tow the balloons and streamers party line at all costs, engage in behaviour then vent publicly or semi-privately when it goes wrong. In this business there are some great aspects, some less than great and some aspects that are truly gross. Sex is messy tho it can be fun if the parties are willing to be adults. I'm not advocating providers not disclose, I'm trying to bring a dose of reality to the discussion that honestly indicates the transient and unregulated nature of this industry and the potential impact that has on the participants health and safety. I think if someone is unwilling to take precautions then they don't have the right to complain. If the OP had used a dental dam, the risk would have been negligible and we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, he chose to engage in an unsafe service. The new to the industry provider was obviously in a difficult position given she was seeing her first client in spite of her monthly and when the mishap occurred, the OP took her fee back then her agency didn't have the decency to back her up. To me, the prevailing attitudes and the entire situation is a travesty... cat

You could answer the door in baggy sweats and still look amazing Sophia.

I don't see it as secrecy, simply what the buyers market here has dictated. Canadian clients expect bb daty and many take convincing to actually use a dental dam. Here in Ottawa I have only had one client request the use of a dam before we've met in the last decade. I can't speak for other providers but that indicates to me that it just isn't that genuine a concern for most hobbyists. Unless of course it goes wrong as this thread has indicated. I'm going to clarify something that seems to have escaped some. How often does a provider insist a client go down on her? Think about it. Daty is performed for the client, not the provider during a first, second or even a third apptointment. I have yet to meet a provider that says "My guys have to go down on me." Most of the providers in my circle would prefer not to have guys perform daty until there is some connection and trust. In my experience, a woman has to be able to relax in order to enjoy it which seldom happens at the onset of this dynamic and I also believe it should only happen at her request. I consider daty a consumer driven service when it's listed on a menu and often an appointment will hinge on whether or not it's provided; many men decline when they are told it's safe service only. If there was genuine risk management going on, clients would realize the chance of menses and the dam would be requested regardless of whether or not a provider admits to being on her cycle or not. To me this is a case of having your cake and eating it too. From a practical standpoint I simply don't see it going both ways. If you want unprotected daty, then you assume the worst possible risk is present and accept it or you use protection. Until there are legislated health and safety practices in place (which most of the industry seems resistant to according to the bbbj thread), the fact remains that a man never knows what is happening in his providers reproductive organs and the onus is on him if he wants to perform orally. If daty is that important to him, he should insist that precautions are used or accept the consequences of his decision if the results are less than he desired. Anything else is simply abdicating responsibility... cat

I do agree. I never have a problem in the other cities when it comes to BP. Actually even when I post in the Winnipeg section regarding Brandon tours , I've had great experiences. Maybe it is just Winnipeg. Like i said before, all the nice guys were board guys anyway Additional Comments: Omfg lmao!!! , sorry I don't mean swear , but that's funny. That just made my day . ' The onion'. Additional Comments: Gave it some thought. I think I'm oing to advertise on the boards and when I have more if an idea of when I'm going to commit to this again EC. BP is too risky and not a great idea for me at this point. Thanks to you all for taking the time to give me your feed back and opinions on this. It helped me alot because this was weighing on my mind. Thanks everyone. P.S that onion comment was my fav. Priceless. Still laughing.

In Winnipeg, the best clients have always come from the boards. Plenty of fun generous men on I here. (Thanks) However bp is not that creepy everywhere. If your traveling you may need that broader audience. I find that If the quality of sp advertising is good, it's usually an indicator of good client potential. Cheers :-)

I refuse to use BP as I have had several unfavourable experiences, the only time I will use it is if there is a very well reviewed lady on there but I am sure it's 100 times worse for you ladies.

In the grand scheme of things, they may do that but nobody is paying attention to them and by nobody I mean anyone who is worthwhile and who actually can make that information valuable. They are enclosed in their own little circle of people and if you call it out then that risks drawing more attention to the information. The people who are following both sides of the debate are realizing the gross tactics of the antis and these people include non-sex workers with huge followings and media people. While they may resort to disgusting tactics to achieve their goal of silencing their opponents and while they are in bed (so to speak) with the CPC, they are doing this to themselves. Let them implicate themselves and be their own downfall. I know it's easy to say and harder to actually do... I also suggest blocking the antis before the Senate meetings and don't @ them during or shortly after the meetings. Ps. There is an option to report twitter accounts that post private information. I haven't heard of anyone having any success with these reports but you can also try going that route if the gent or you are worried. It's kind of an annoying process too but it's an option.

its out of control ... some anti c36er accused me of promoting child sex work after my recent interview for the NP. She actually tweeted that she had attended a workshop I did promoting youth sex work.... like wtf??? I immediately told her she must be mistaken, that I had never spoken in public. She did apologize and retract her statement but how many people saw it before that happened? Turns out she was falsely accusing another young lady who works with aboriginal youth. Pretty disgusting behaviour.