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The DOJ's technical paper says it should not be interpreted that way by the courts. But how it actually plays out in reality as opposed to theory, two different things. I recommend clients establishing themselves on boards with their handles or become familiar with the reference process (asking if a provider uses them or how she verifies clients) and also using references. References aren't used by all providers though. Joining a verification is another option. I see some clients use twitter--make that private ASAP! Don't tweet using the Bill c-36 hashtag. I know you want to engage in the discussion but how the abolitionists use that hashtag is brutal! Just avoid using the hashtag at all costs. You can tweet about the Bill but the way I see the antis use the hashtag--just don't use it. Scanning the hashtag and seeing the antis makes me sick to my stomach each time. :(

Terri Jean Bedford has caused a stir and issued a threat as may be seen HERE, and isn`t it of interest that the hearings are back on the news again. I sincerely and respectfully disagree with the comments that were written about that article arguing that her action is wrong and unprofessional and unethical. I gave this opinion once before when the topic was in the news and the silence was understandably deafening, but I shall repeat it. IF someone truly believes that Bill C-36 will cause physical harm and or death to even one sex worker, then I argue that taking whatever legal action is required to prevent that from happening is not only acceptable but also a responsibility. If that includes naming a client then so be it. If I threatened a sex worker with physical harm then the fact that I had been a paying client should NOT give me immunity. Threatening to release the names of clients who are planning an action that will kill women is not enough. Doing it after the bill is passed is irresponsible. I argue that if her statements are true then the information should be released immediately to the press before the law is passed and then let the press do the job that they have thus far chosen not to do. Their are ways to do it. In 1974 Deep Throat, whoever he is is unknown to this day, along with press investigation brought down a presidency. I do believe that the hypocrisy of some of these government members, NOT their use of legal sex workers, could cause this government to fall, and this bill along with it. I am writing a totally politically incorrect comment that most will disagree with. I know that. There is no way that any sex worker or perhaps any client should publicly agree with this. All I ask is that all sex workers ask themselves where does client privilege stop and protecting your own life and lives of fellow sex workers begin. Sorry if I made anyone feel uncomfortable. I don`t think that this is just a game if lives are on the line. MN2 (who apparently is not such a nice guy.)

In all honesty I've always felt the "nice guys finish last" idea is a myth, or as others have suggested some of those guys who say they're nice aren't using the same interpretation of the word as the ladies would! There's some confirmation bias going on here too. People get the idea that nice guys don't fare well and when they look around (or check their own experience) they find an example of where that seemingly was true. Suddenly the evidence seems everywhere...if that's the evidence you're looking for! But objectively if you look around there's all kinds of nice guys in happy relationships, just like there's all kinds of not-so-nice guys striking out. Sometimes I think it seems like the "bad boys" are getting more dates not because they are bad but because they are more confident and so willing to ask for a date (and also because they get dumped more often and so end up asking more people...whereas the nice guy get held onto). Being nice--as in being genuinely nice and respectful--is generally only going to help. Being nice because you think it will get you something...not so much. I'd also guess that being nice by itself...without being interesting or confident, is only going to get you so far. And perhaps that's what some guys find change when they adjust how they act: it's not that they aren't still nice, it's just that they are more confident and independent. But hey, at the end of the day you also simply can't come up with rules for what all women want. Women--People--are simply too complex and varied for such. You just have to look around this site to see the range of variety in what people find interesting, engaging, and attractive. No judgments intended in any of this by the way, just some thoughts.

Women are programmed to choose a mate who will provide for their offspring and protect them. Nice Guys are too passive. Nice guys won't fight for their girl, nice guys won't fight for a raise either, a good partner is proactive when it comes to taking care of their family. A nice guy just sits there and hopes nothing bad happens. A badass makes damn sure nothing bad happens. I drive around in my cheap compact and get zero action. I ride my Harley to work and girls are asking for a ride. Go figure.

Maybe this should be in the "Guilty Pleasures" section, but I must confess.... My name is Dorinda Bloom, and I LOVE Young & The Restless....

C'mon... I can't be the only anime nerd on here. So let's see a show of hands! There are thousands of anime series out there and I always love to talk with fellow otakus to learn about series that I hadn't discovered yet. But surely everyone - even non anime-geeks - has heard about the new Sailor Moon Crystal series? As an old-school Sailor Moon fan, I was really looking forward to the new series. I like that they have kept true to the old series, but made some changes in plot. And holy smokes, I LOVE Jupiter and Mars' new transformations!

I can request no calls after 10pm until I'm blue in the face and there will still be some clueless fool who is calling at midnight. I put it out there because the legit clients *do* read what we've written. At this point, I don't even bother with guys who obviously haven't read the website.

A succinct definition I read somewhere that identifies Nice Guys (the bad kind) from actually nice guys is that Nice Guys tend to approach women as machines where if you put in enough kindness coins, sex falls out. So yeah, Nice Guys are basically using passive manipulation under the assumption that we will reward them with sex just because they're nice to us. Actually nice guys do nice things because they're good people, not for some hidden motive. For any fellow Cracked readers out there, David Wong had a great article - among many - that points out why men are essentially raised to view women as rewards. It's worth a read, as are many of his other articles on the complications of social programming between the sexes... http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html

Guys who have to point out that they're "nice guys" usually aren't. Case in point: http://www.shakesville.com/2007/12/explainer-what-is-nice-guy.html

Good to know that Jenny has been in lately. Always appreciate those who post to this thread as it really helps in keeping up to date with the goings-on at Barb's. While there are typically many beauties at Barb's, there definitely is something very special about Jenny.

Well, you've seen some of the classics! Good stuff depends on what you're into. There's a genre for everything. Do you like mecha stuff and sci-fi? Do you like thrillers or horror? Fantasy/adventure? Time of Eve is a great anime movie. It's about a time when we have real androids who are among us as caretakers. They all have to have a ring projected above their heads so you can tell them apart from humans. It's got some powerful subtext and it's a great story. I definitely recommend it to anyone - anime fan or not. As for series, I can only recommend ones that I have seen and enjoyed - and I like mostly horror/demon/fantasy stuff. Death Note. This is a very well known anime series. It's about a kid who finds a shinigami's (Death God's) note book. There are rules about how to use the book. You can specify the exact time and nature of someone's death, and so on. It's a pretty good psychological thriller. Honestly, about half way through it seems the plot is going awry and I almost stopped watching it, but I was glad I kept with it because of the big twist near the end. If you enjoy suspenseful, slightly dark stuff then you'll enjoy Death Note. I also frequently recommend Black Butler or Kuroshitsuji. It's also a sort of psychological drama, but with more silliness and comedy thrown in. A boy is the heir to a candy empire - set in Victorian London - and his family was killed. Long story short, he made a deal with a demon to get revenge, and this demon became his butler. Ciel - the boy - is called The Queen's Watchdog, among other things, because he is often called upon to investigate things in and around London. So each episode deals with whatever he's investigating, but overall there's a clear reminder that Sebastian - the demon butler - is only in this to eat Ciel's soul. In the end, there is a great twist and Ciel outfoxes the demon. They just rebooted the series as Kuroshitsuji: Book of Circus. It's a bit campier than the original series, so I won't recommend it to start. But if you enjoy the original Kuroshitsuji series, you will enjoy the new Book of Circus. Log Horizon is good. People get trapped in RPG they're playing. There's some comedy as everyone figures things out now that they're living in the game and start doing some minor adventuring. Then it gets a bit more serious as they realize the implications of all the NPGs and the lack of laws and government to keep the players from running amok. Blood Lad is hilarious and had me in stitches most of the time. It's got some funny references in the first episode about Final Fantasy and Dragon Ball. The protagonist is a vampire from nobility in the demon world, but he hates being a noble due to a falling out with his older brother. This vampire is a HUGE real-world fan, obsessed with anime, video games and otaku culture in the real world. Of course, a human female finds her way to the demon world, and he vows to help her return. Hilarity ensues. Bleach is a huge franchise, and one of the longest running anime series. It's over now, but I believe the manga is still going strong. It's worth looking into, though it's not everyone's cup of tea. I enjoyed in for the most part. The plot starts with Ichigo, a human who has a natural ability to see spirits. He sees a shinigami who is slaying Hollows (when spirits go bad and become monsters, feeding on other souls) in the human world. He sees her, and shit happens and he gets her powers. The first dozen episodes are developing the relationship between Ichigo and Rukia (the shinigami) and Ichigo's friends in the real world, who turn out to have powers of their own. Shit is happening in Soul Society - Rukia's world - and Ichigo helps out. It's hard to explain because it's such a long-running series. Best to wikipedia it for a more succinct breakdown. But it's good. Because it's such a long series, you really get to know all of the characters, and there's a huge number of them. If you really want to delve into a different world and spend a lot of time there, Bleach is a great option. Trinity Blood is another favorite of mine - and of many. It's post-apocalyptic where vampires and humans are at war, but many are trying for peace. It's another one that's a bit hard to describe, so wikipedia is a good place to get a better description. Those are some I would recommend to start. :)

This is a tricky subject to discuss. Clients' anonymity and discretion is always sex workers Number 1 priority in their lives...it's their livelihood! But this whole debate is NOT about clients. Yes, clients experience bad things too sometimes. Bedford isn't about clients though. It's about sex workers' safety. I think her reacting like this is very reasonable for how politicians are treating not only her but *all* sex workers/allies/orgs at these meetings. Bedford isn't about clients though and if a Bill is to respond to Bedford, it also needs to shift it's focus. This isn't about clients: the politicians are making it about clients, the abolitionists are making it about clients and the Bill is about the clients. Politicians are not playing nice. The abolitionists are not playing nice. The Bill and everything that comes with it just makes me angry. Grrr. :whip: Note: I don't agree with outing anyone. Like ever. But her anger? Very reasonable for how sex workers are being treated and the Bill isn't even law.

RG I wish that were true. We both know lots of women here who are professional and trustworthy. There are women I trust completely and unconditionally. Boards like this are echo chambers. Everyone here has a similar set of values. Some of us forget that we are a tiny minority in the greater society. Our values may be shocking to them. This is television being watched by people who may have never spoken to an actual prostitute. She is the ONLY prostitute they have ever seen speaking in a public forum. And look how she presents herself, how she dresses, how she speaks to the chair. Black leather, and black leather gloves? There's a time for that. Parliamentary Committees are not that time. She clearly made threats that could ruin people's lives, she had previously said she "had a bombshell" to deliver. She repeated that right in the hearing directly to Chairman Runciman. I think Runciman may have felt she was either grandstanding or about to drop the aforementioned bombshell. I fear she has confirmed a lot of people's suspicions about all the unsavoury aspects of this business. Especially the one about women keeping a little black book of information that could be useful down the road. I repeat, I am totally sympathetic to all her arguments but disappointed she wasted a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to speak out for every SP.

Having much more of an appreciation for things such as nature and just life in general. All the bullshit that I used to care about doesn't matter so much anymore.

This is what I enjoyed doing at the beach yesterday,,,,,

References tend to be a US thing because US law is different from Canadian law so providers want to be sure that a client who shows up is a real client and a safe client. With the new law possibly coming into effect in Canada, it is likely that both providers and clients may want references to make sure that when an escort shows up she really is an escort and not a police officer in disguise and the same goes for clients being real clients. References are a part of life in this job and are likely to be a bigger part of life in the future. There is nothing with asking for one but please inform the person providing the reference that she or he will be hearing from such and such.

Agreed ! The beauty of this lifestyle (for both gents and ladies) is the freedom to explore & discover pleasure without feeling restricted. :) Unless the provider is jealous/possessive, she shouldn't mind you seeing other ladies. After all, this lifestyle is non-monogamous and everyone is expected sooner or later to see someone else. Also, I don't recommend using the same lady more than 5 + times in a short time. I heard some ladies getting mad at clients saying they were abusing or simply getting jealous and thinking he was not interested in seeing her anymore... Personally, I always encourage my clients to explore with different ladies if they wish and will gladly recommend them a lady according to their taste & preferences. I'm always happy to provide a reference for a client I have met usually within 3 months ish. As a traveling lady, I do prefer being asked first, it makes things easier for me. Also, it allows me to remember you and be prepared to give the reference. Also, if possible, try to ask a lady you have met recently and not someone you have met a year ago or more. She might not remember you and you will end up with no references. (I speak from experience) Remember, if you are a good client and everything is done in a respectful manner, there should be no problem. :)

Under the Dome on Global. I really enjoyed the book.

I'm not sure if this has been said and I apologize if it has. The hobbyists know who the established, reputable and legit companions are and the companions do as well for both hobbyists and companions. I see no reason to have this mass panic (rightfully so we should all be upset and pissed as hell but there are ways to deal with this shit, if the BS bill passes). There are many wonderful companions to spend quality time with and not worry about being caught or getting in trouble for spending time with a companion that you know is safe to contact for "time and companionship". Just my thoughts.. Hugs and Kisses, Lexy

Just a quick note..... All providers have "real lives" and many aren't sitting around waiting for last minute inquires. Many of us prefer low volume planned dates as well. The majority of us do like to spend our time living our lives and aren't generally found scantily clad beside the telephone anticipating your short notice inquires. With the exception being when we are no showed, which unfortunately is a increasing trend here in winnipeg.

Meeting new people who always smile and laugh! Just like me. Lol. Waking up early and going for a run. Laying outside under the sun. Sleeping under the stars. Being on the water (kayaking). Basically anything to do with nature or being outside.

It's been my experience with ad copy that people see what they want to see, hear what they want to here, and believe what they want to believe about what was said in an ad. It's one of the most frustrating parts of ad design. No matter how much you write something out in crayon, people will chose to interpret it however they wish. I spend a lot of time "dummy proofing" ads and people always find unforeseen ways of misinterpretation. I think that this is just par for the course. I have read your ads and have always found them very well written. Your meanings are very clear with little room for interpretation. I think you just have to accept that people will ask anyway.

I don't know if our Schedule will match but I will be in St John's next week.. 17-20th Bianca xxx

The adorable Brennan is in today. I suspect it's a once-off, but if you are a Brennan fan, better hurry down.

When my grown daughter still makes hand made special occasion cards with words of thaniks and gratitude. On another note, I read recently of a every mothers horror story but everyone else's secret smile.... A mother was having a really hard time with a small child wanting candy while at the grocery checkout. The lines were full as was her cart. The persistent little so and so was screaming and yelling, in short, having a fit. After the mother patiently said no yet once again, the little brat yelled at the top of his lungs"IF YOU DON'T GET ME THAT CHOCOLAT BAR I GOING TO TELL EVERYONE ABOUT SEEING DADDY'S PENIS IN YOUR MOUTH THIS MORNING." The mother and child left the store without groceries.....

Happy birthday. Hope it's the best.

One thing about seeing regulars, no need to discuss fees or services. The email/text/phone call would read/sound like a man and woman getting together for another date And with shared memories and shared history, you can always talk in a code that no cop would understand. Make reference to dates you had in the past, something about them that only you and the lady would know Also, and especially in the case of touring ladies, which police department would even investigate. I'm from smalltown Ontario with a small OPP detachment, are they going to track me seeing a lady who's hometown is somewhere in Canada, or is it that lady's hometown police force, or the police force of the place we meet that investigates. Anyhow why would I stop seeing ladies, none of my emails now are incriminating and I see reputable ladies A rambling RG

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I agree with frederictonman. Well worth the visit indeed. PM if you have questions.

Happy Belated Birthday Nikki! Remember, it's Your Birthday WEEK - so keep celebrating!! :) xo Dorinda

Yes.You'll wanna ask around to find girls who are really into girls - that's the recipe for the best show. There's a few spots where girls can dance together for you in public, but you (and they) will probably want to go to the CR.

Having lived both in the east and west, I can offer the following. In the west there is no question that down filled is the way to go (much warmer overall). But in the east, particularly on the east coast, the dampness and moiture here almost make the down useless as it clumps so quickly and therby loses itsd insulating abilty.

I am definitely a grower. I enjoy watching the look on a woman's face as it keeps getting bigger...and bigger...and bigger... ;)

Grow-er! Wish I was a show-er But I grow to a decent size so I'm told. So I guess I can't complain.

My trainer told me that it looked like I'd lost weight. I weighed myself and she was right! I dropped 4 pounds since last week. Felt good to put a number to it.

Hmmmm so to recap.... women have a period each month and if you have sex with them there is the possibility that it might impact you..... wow... i never would have guessed. OK I am making light of the topic but i am willing to bet every regular hobbiest has gas sex with a SP who was on their period... relax.... this is part of life. In regards to the health concerns.... hey if you want to perform DATY with out any protection then you should be willing to accept the risk. There have been several mentions of one week a month...and that perhaps SP'S should not work... well what about those ladies who experience longer periods or who have irregular periods.... to expect ladies to not work us unrealistic. Finally... i wonder if periods were something men had would we be having this duscussion...hmmmm Just my opinion.

I think a lady would be happy to provide you with a reference (I assume you are a good client ;-) ) and not get tired of doing so. It isn't just for you that a lady provides a reference. It is done by ladies to keep other ladies safe and vice versa. Ladies want to be safe. And they will be happy to do so because you are a client willing to be screened, a sign of being a good client. It won't annoy the lady being asked, because she may also require a reference for new clients for herself from other ladies. They do this to be safe, and ladies want each other to be safe. The only reference etiquette is to contact the lady you wish to use as a reference before you use her as a reference. That way the lady isn't contacted out of the blue by another lady about you, she will expect to be contacted. In short, don't worry about contacting a lady you have seen to be a reference. She will likely be very happy to do so if you were a good client A morning rambling RG

I don't mean to be a dick but your priorities are completely out of sync. If you don't have the money to get massages, do not get massages. This industry is does not provide things that you need to survive, it provides things you want. It is supported off clients disposable income, if you don't have the disposable part, please use it on things you need, not things you want. Save up until you can afford it, don't lose self-respect and ask for handouts. Go to pornhub and rub one out when you are feeling the urge to spend money you don't have and tell me if that doesn't make you see the situation a little bit clearer. You can survive man, focus on the here and now, save up, work on getting more income, then in the future get all the massages you want without the dread of knowing you don't have money for food for the rest of the month.

Ass licking is much different than ass kissing.......i see ass kissers all around my work......they have no idea how bad they look! Posted via Mobile Device

I agree fully with the general sentiments of this new bill. It's dangerous as it will further push those whom the bill is supposedly trying to protect into the dangerous shadows. Those who are most at risk are already marginalized and this will only exacerbate things. LE will simply not have the resources for any prolonged crackdowns. There will - in all likelihood - be an initial show of crackdowns so that the pro-C-36 crowd can feel justified. However, before the bawdy house law was stricken down, LE did not make a habit of chasing down SPs who worked from condos/hotels/apartments even though they legally could have. I don't see this being much different. LE simply has better things to do. They may get pressure to go hard out of the gate, but it will diminish and of this I am quite certain. The real concern is the first couple of months after this bill comes into law and LE are being pressured by government. But the pressure will not come with extra funding and so this will pass, hopefully without too many lives being ruined. As for prostitution being the oldest profession, I have to be an asshole and point out that it's widely recognized among archaeologists that flint-knapping was, in fact, the oldest profession. :P

When it's on you, it's called rimming. When on them, it's DATO, since that's a variation on DATY. Guys don't have a "Y", therefore we don't officially have an "O" either. Basically anything that starts with an "DAT" means on the girl.

Time of the Season by the Zombies

I read all the post on this thread and I get really lost trying to figure out some of the pc language.... A while back chrome was my got too browser before I got lots of issues with it..now I use IE on window8 mostly but sometimes I have to go back to chrome on specific sites coz IE wont respond...why? beat the hell out of me!! I'm not a pc conaisseur at all at these issues really drive me up the wall... BJ

How when calling a company they ask you to type in your number to access your account and then when an agent finally answers his first question is 'Can I please have your phone number?'

A few years ago, I was living in the heart of Toronto's gay community. As I am an open minded person, I have never had any prejudices against gays. I had had coworkers who were gay and it never bothered me. However, for the first time, I had the opportunity to get to know gay men personally because my neighbours were gay. I made it clear to them that I was not gay and I became friends with them. Getting to know gay men was an interesting experience. I learned a lot about gay culture. Gay culture has its own set of values that are totally different from the "heterosexual, white, Christian" culture that I grew up in. I am interested to see how Bill C-36 will impact gay culture and if the government will have the audacity to impose their values on gay culture? For example, in gay culture, the sugar daddy and sugar baby relationship is quite common. Young men have older boyfriends who provide for them financially in exchange for a sexual relationship. I have witnessed this several times. Many times, I was surprised to see a boy, who was barely out of his teens, dating a grey haired man. In gay culture, these relationships are not shameful. In contrast, heterosexual culture frowns upon sugar daddy/sugar baby relationships. Bill C-36 would make the sugar daddy a criminal because of the transactional nature of his relationship with the sugar baby. The opposition from the gay community will be great. I still remember the opposition that the government faced from the gay community when they raised the age of consent in 2008. The gay community was opposed to the age of consent for anal sex being set at 18. The age of consent law and Bill C-36 show that the government is totally out of touch with the main stream. Most people want sexual freedom not oppression.

If the Nordic Model becomes a law, I will be waiting for all those who say it won't change a thing because of budget restrictions and stuff, to test out how things are. The way I see it, this just gives the police more powers that it doesn't need. Piss one of them off, they go snooping around to see if there is anything that they can use on you. An SP getting caught for violating the bizarre proposed rules (or some other trumped out charge), they pressure her into sharing correspondences for something favourable. There are many possibilities that are running through my mind, and I may be more scared then I need to be, but seeing how I have according to many medical journals, more life ahead of me then behind, I'd rather not continue the rest of my life with the threat like this over my head.

Look for distinct features. Tattoos or piercings. They are tell tale markers for people using fakes. Theres a reverse image search engine that is always helpful to prevent this. Hope everyone all the best and stay vigilant.

This was a long time coming for me - oddly enough, that's true in more than one way. I've always been a bdsm switch, and for those unfamiliar, it basically means someone who likes dominating, and being dominated. I've had a couple of bdsm experiences before, but would probably consider them lightweight sensual sessions. Just a couple of clueless kids fooling around, and having lots of fun in the process. But yesterday for the first time, I gave up control, and let someone call the shots and I'm so glad I did (Allison Elm). I would probably consider yesterday's session to be on the much lighter side, but it was a great introduction for me. All I had asked for was some restraints, sensory deprivation and a lot of teasing; during the session, a little bit of nipple play got introduced and was welcomed (calling it nipple torture just seems a bit extreme). So, I find myself on her bed, hands tied above my head, feet tied to the corners, blindfolded, and very much at her mercy. I felt vulnerable, exposed, and most importantly, desired. I know the last one can be a bit puzzling to some, but since I was unable to move, or pretty much do anything except lie there and look sexy :P, it was all her. None of it felt mechanical, like she was checking of some boxes, but completely random. Before the blindfold came on, I saw her with a mischievous grin. After I lost seeing privileges, my only useful sense was touch, and thus all attention went on that. She focused on different parts of my body, each seemed to entertain her in it's own unique way. It felt as she got bored with one part, she just helped herself to another, and the feeling of your body being used to please someone else as some sort of sex toy...well it may be wrong because of gender equality issues and all that, but who cares, it feels fucking amazing (sorry for the language). And then there were three rules: 1) Always say please and thank you 2) I would have to refer to her as "Miss Allison" 3) I'd have to ask permission to cum - But prior to starting, we didn't specifically say if that would happen or not, so if she never said yes, well I was tied up, so I couldn't really do anything about it Now the first rule was simple. I live by please and thank you. It's just politeness. The second rule was a bit of a fun challenge for me. To me, submitting to someone takes great confidence in my own self worth, and that's why I haven't done it since now. Given my own background, this was a tough one to chew. I think the first two times, I just mumbled it, but it gave me warm fuzzy feelings of doing something so taboo (to me at least). The third one we vaguely set it up in the initial emails, but I knew that she'd eventually say yes. During the scene, I wasn't too sure anymore. Had it gone longer, I might've been begging and willing to do anything for one. To get an idea of what it feels like, imagine the most beautiful woman you've ever seen, by whatever definition that may be. She performs a bit of a strip tease, at first you can handle her slow pace. Eventually, she ups the ante, rubbing you ever so gently. You just want to see more of her, touch her skin, kiss her lips, taste her. But before any of that, she makes you wait till the end of the performance, and it's a long performance. Your heart races, your excitement builds, sexual urges just builds to a level you've never felt before. Yeah, that was me, just that I was blind, and even if I wanted to help myself, I couldn't. I had to wait patiently, and hope that I'd be lucky enough that her answer would be yes at some point. She did bite my nipple hard when I asked her the first time, since I forgot to ask please (Within what we had set up). A painful punishment but it kept me in the moment, and made me appreciate the other sensations much more. And although I couldn't see her face at the time, I'm almost certain she was happy that I made that mistake. When she told me that I forgot to say 'please', she sounded gleeful. I don't know if I'll ever find out for sure, but I'm sticking with this version of events. I won't say how it ended, but I will say I left her place with a stupid smile. It's been a day and a half since, and I'm still thinking about it. The thing is, that with many of the dommes out there, I've found them a bit extreme for my tastes. I always feel that there is a lot of humiliation and degradation, and it felt mechanical. Not knocking those ladies, or their clients, it just wasn't what I was looking for. I was looking for, and found someone who didn't see this as a master/slave dynamic, but two adults having some kinky fun. I definitely want to try this again, perhaps with less limits. Push myself more and see how far I can go. And I did have a greater appreciation for those who sub/bottom. It takes great mental character. I'm more excited to dom whenever I get a chance again, I would actually be able to relate with the sub's experience. I would recommend people here to give it a shot (ladies and gentlemen). It isn't for everyone, but who knows, it might be for you! ----- A bit of a follow up. She told me she did in fact get excited when I messed up the "Always say please" rule :) ---- Toronto doesn't have a discussion thread for this sort of stuff, hence I posted here. It would be nice to have a sub section focused on different interests that people have instead of making it city specific. I'd like to learn more about stuff out there.