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In all honesty I've always felt the "nice guys finish last" idea is a myth, or as others have suggested some of those guys who say they're nice aren't using the same interpretation of the word as the ladies would! There's some confirmation bias going on here too. People get the idea that nice guys don't fare well and when they look around (or check their own experience) they find an example of where that seemingly was true. Suddenly the evidence seems everywhere...if that's the evidence you're looking for! But objectively if you look around there's all kinds of nice guys in happy relationships, just like there's all kinds of not-so-nice guys striking out. Sometimes I think it seems like the "bad boys" are getting more dates not because they are bad but because they are more confident and so willing to ask for a date (and also because they get dumped more often and so end up asking more people...whereas the nice guy get held onto). Being nice--as in being genuinely nice and respectful--is generally only going to help. Being nice because you think it will get you something...not so much. I'd also guess that being nice by itself...without being interesting or confident, is only going to get you so far. And perhaps that's what some guys find change when they adjust how they act: it's not that they aren't still nice, it's just that they are more confident and independent. But hey, at the end of the day you also simply can't come up with rules for what all women want. Women--People--are simply too complex and varied for such. You just have to look around this site to see the range of variety in what people find interesting, engaging, and attractive. No judgments intended in any of this by the way, just some thoughts.

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=142492 Here is the sticky on this.

I agree that people getting lazier, especially with reading. They look at photos, scan through to pick out a tiny bit of information (usually rates and contact info) then ask questions that were already answered on a website. I find this irksome, but it's not clients who do this: it's everyone. We have a wonderful world that is full of conveniences and condensed material. Gone are the days when people would take their time and read through something. They read the headline or, at best, scan the article. A lot of men see our photos and get all excited and in that excitement they neglect to do their due diligence and read the information ladies provide for them. But hey: we've all done that at times. The reality is that this is becoming more and more common and it's absolutely laziness.

I find that in general, todays interpersonal writing is "instant gratification" oriented. Text, emails, auto correcting, "why phone when you can text" all contribute to a general sense of malaise for many. Personally, I enjoy reading a lady ad who is being classy, creative and consistent in her messaging and I will always respond in kind. I was fortunate to have spent a wonderful couple of hours with Gabriella a couple of years ago in Halifax. She is in person exactly as she portrays herself here - a class act. In business venacular it is know as being consistent with your "brand" which is in turn defined as the idea created in the buyers' mind about the product or service offered. In business "Branding" is critical for long term success. I'm sure some guys just want to get laid as was pointed out a few posts ago. I'm looking for a more complete experience, one that involves both the body, mind and spirit. Musings from an older guy.

It really doesn't matter how elaborate or simple an ad or website is...the fact is some guys just either don't read or don't care...lol they will ask the same questions anyway. Some dudes just look at the pics...C'est la vie. I either answer or don't..depends on my mood.

That, and nanaimo bars.

If I had known about this thread, I would have reached out for a hug a few weeks ago...never too late I guess... Thanks to all of you... BJ P.S. My hug goes out to Savannah for being an amazing friend xxx

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I sell stuff for my job. Sometimes i give a good customer a deal. A better deal than i should. Sometimes i have had those customers talk to much about that deal to the wrong people. They basically screw themselves from getting any deals ever again. If a girl ever bent rules of the establishment for me special like. Then i should keep quit about it. Even on an anonymous forum.

Ah, the Nice Guy Syndrome, my favourite! As several have pointed out, this whole "nice guys finish last" myth is just that - a myth. It's a excuse they come up with to sooth their egos when they've been rejected by a women. They believe they are the ultimate package, and can't understand why a women would not sleep with them, so they find some reasoning behind it, besides actually looking at themselves. You can usually spot a nice guy by hearing their proclamations of "I'm a really nice guy!" If you're genuinely a nice guy, you usually don't start off by describing yourself as such, you just live your life in a kind and respectful way. If you really want to see Nice Guy Syndrome in action, just try some good ol' fashioned online dating! The "nice guys" are plentiful there! Usually these men are quite manipulative and sexist, and not actually kind or respectful at all. They'll usually start off by complimenting you endlessly, and then when you state that you are not interested, they will turn around and whine about how they were never interested in your anyways, and you would be lucky to be with a guy like them, they were just trying to do you a favour! These "bad boys" that women usually date and end up getting hurt by, usually come off as confident, respectful, and charming, which is why women are so attracted to them. It usually isn't until they're already invested in the relationship before they see that persons true colours! There are many genuinely nice and respectful men out there who women will love to be with, and just because one women isn't romantically interested in you, doesn't mean another might fall head-over-heels for you :) A good video to watch about "nice guys" and why the friend-zone is a load of crap: Posted via Mobile Device

Hosting at, or Hosting from, who cares, the magic word that counts is hosting. When the lady writes she is hosting that means an incall Consideration, Honorarium, Rates, Donation, Gift who cares...any of these terms means the same and always easy to locate on a website Upscale incall location. How many complaints have I read from guys who went to an incall that was a seedy hotel/motel or apartment. By writing upscale the lady is letting prospective clients know the incall isn't a seedy hotel/motel or apartment. I don't know about you but I don't want a date in an incall that's a dive You may want to cut to the chase as you put it. To me a lady's website should reflect her personality and give me an idea if she and I would click A website shouldn't be reduced to "just the facts", the website should show a lady as unique from other ladies. I suppose cutting to the chase, all you'd need is one cell phone photo full front is enough. Terrible these ladies get professional photographers and have galleries. All the time it takes going through all those pictures makes it harder to cut to the chase. Something that could be done with one picture Funny thing, generally speaking, in my experience, ladies who have a website which reflects their personality, shows a bit of effort have been ladies I've had great dates with. Those with minimalist websites, little effort, seemed to be cavalier about encounters, viewing me, the client, as nothing more than a wallet Anyhow, a long winded rambling RG

It's been my experience with ad copy that people see what they want to see, hear what they want to here, and believe what they want to believe about what was said in an ad. It's one of the most frustrating parts of ad design. No matter how much you write something out in crayon, people will chose to interpret it however they wish. I spend a lot of time "dummy proofing" ads and people always find unforeseen ways of misinterpretation. I think that this is just par for the course. I have read your ads and have always found them very well written. Your meanings are very clear with little room for interpretation. I think you just have to accept that people will ask anyway.

Guys who have to point out that they're "nice guys" usually aren't. Case in point: http://www.shakesville.com/2007/12/explainer-what-is-nice-guy.html

Whether or not Rob Ford is a goof, I would not wish a tumour on anyone.

Lately I've been listening to a lot of Bob Marley, Curtis Mayfield and Fleetwood Mac! I Loooovvvee music during sessions!!

Yesterday went to the bank to transfer some money out of a TFSA. Only tellers there, no one there who could do it. But told it could be done over the phone and was provided the number to call. Called it today, and after going through the voice mail crap, finally got a customer service representative. Then after giving all information to ID myself, and telling them what I want, after about fifteen minutes they come back with "we can't do that over the phone, go to your local branch" WTF my local branch told me to call you, and no one was there the day I went to help me do this. Not too impressed. RG

This person insists on $25 cam show in advance for new clients. Need I say more? Lol. It makes me curious who actually falls for these types of scams. Terribly unfortunate.

Good Morning and Happy Friday... Come warm up your body... with an extremely SIZZLING and Extra SPICY Massage... Your Body and My body Creating unimaginable sensations!!! Creating a wave of Heat on the entire planet... TODAY AT LUNA WEST until 6pm! EARLY BIRD SPECIALS BEFORE 11AM & 2X1 DUOS Last day to meet me in the Mornings as next week I am back to school and will only be avaialble after 1pm... http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69954 call/text 613-261-0054 [email protected] or PM TOMORROW 9AM-3PM @VIPSouth

hi there, thank you for checking my ad. You will not be disappointed with my A+++ services ( the lady, the services, the place) My name is Vivian. I'm 26 years old. Gorgeous, i am a classy looking Lady with long black hair, seductive cat eyes and full sexy lips, beautiful silky soft, tanned skin. work out body with all the right curves in the right places (32C, 24, 34) You have finally met the sweet girl next door, also the naughty girl in your dreams... I greet you at the door with a lovely smile then lead you to the massage room...I will start with a deep soothing tissue massage to relax all your muscles then follow with a soft, sensual, tease touch to invigorate your whole body then the fun time ... It will be the most relaxing, creative and passionate session for you ever. So amazing that you cannot help yourself from thinking about it and want to come back for more ! http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92146 For relaxing massage $40/30m $50/45m $70/60m appointment only, call/text me at 613 712 1200 mon to sat 10am to 7pm

I'm late to the party! Hope you had a great day! Happy Birthday!! :)

Happy Birthday ..... hope you had a great day :)

Big hugs to theliquor to get through the next round (and make it as good as he claims his golf game was)! MUAH! <HUGS>

There is always parking around the bar weekends if you choose to visit on a weekend and is free. However during the weekdays also there is another parking lot down the road at Queen and Bay which is less expensive than the lot behind (I think it is $10 to $12 for the whole day).

I agree , especially the bold text. This is modern society in a nutshell. We have become lazy in everything we do and along with the laziness is impatience. It's like a bunch of adhd 4 year olds who want everything right now and are clueless about anything outside their aura. As for myself, I love a well thought out ad or website that shows me more than just a few sexy pics and the basics in simplified terms. That may be just me though. I'm not sure. Regardless of how it's written, it would serve us all well to take the time to read before we pick up the phone and start texting. I understand that the LG is hard and wants to play but we still have a brain somewhere, don't we?

Happy birthday! Hope it's a great one!

Andrea poses the question in her ads of "Can I be your guilty pleasure?" The answer is most certainly she can! Andrea is fun to chat with and fun to play with. She describes herself quite accurately in her ads. If small breasts are a particular item of interest, you really must see Andrea. Plus she has a bum that can well be described as being just slightly more than a handful each. So if tiny bums peak your interest, there you go. I've seen Andrea twice now. Both times were on relatively short notice. Usually I schedule my outings a few days in advance or more but meeting Andrea reminds me that it is good to occasionally stray from one's normal processes. Wearing a sexy little outfit, she met me at the door with a kiss I'd expect from a long lost lover. After divesting myself of my electronics and clothes, we hopped on the bed and got to know each other. The more we talked and stroked, the more my little guy wanted to get to know her. Once he was covered Andrea set about getting to know him in a most personal and pleasurable way. We swapped positions and I found she had a most responsive body when approached just right. Ah, age and experience, sometimes it serves me well! The natural flow of events brought us to a doggy position which she well likes. Eventually, things came to a thrilling climax. Subsequent adventures showed that Andrea is really quite amazingly flexible. It is a joy to watch her eyes and her smile while we are enjoying each other's company. All in all, Andrea is a welcome addition to Ottawa. I am happy to have made her acquaintance and wish her well on her adventures. I will most definitely be back to enjoy the pleasure of her company.

No reco yet! she does look great. Bob, it is the perfect opportunity for you to go and be the first to recommend her.... today was her third day... Have fun! toine

My guilty pleasure is a big bowl of hot buttered popcorn. Not once.... Not twice.... But five or six nights a week. I buy the kernels and make it in a special popcorn popping bowl for the microwave. That way I can use salt free - low fat margarine. I really do need to cut back. Have to watch my girlish figure at my age. ;)

I find myself agreeing with MN2. This wrong headed and dangerous legislation, I think, changes the game and may require some drastic action. If the hypocrites are outed (as RG alluded - we could only hope) it won't be because some provider is being unprofessional but because this legislation is a dangerous and thoughtless attack on innocent people. I don't think there are many people on this board who consider C-36 and the process it is following to be 'professional' in any way.

Talking about buying is not illegal so closing your cerb account should not be necessary. There are lots of 420 forums where posters are pretty blunt. I plan on sticking with trustworthy companions nonetheless. My main concern is LE coming down really hard on some poor girl and making her co-operate in an entrapment operation or going through all her phone records/emails/social media. Yes LE have more important things to do but they may be explicitly directed to do exactly that by their civilian administrators. Just like there are unsolved murders but there are still units conducting speed limit enforcement. Most departments have specific units for sex/vice and this is right up their alley.

it's awesome that it's going to happen this time great work Mistert and Loneskater

Let's watch what we say and not get one of the girls fired.

huh??? not correct. I've met both these ladies and they are not one and the same. Kaydence Kox is a tall blonde provider. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=62824 SweetShay is a different lady entirely....and that was her dancing name, you might know her as Cristalxo http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=32080

So, it's about two weeks until the social. I've started getting prepared. My kitchen is set up: I've hired assistants, but i'm expecting i'll have to find somebody else soon Since i might have to do everything myself And would want to avoid plumes of smoke (should i blame the nanaimo bars?) Any volunteers?? Until then, enjoy until i see all of you (old and new friends) there!!

Quite an amazing encounter. She is sweet, smart, responsive, considerate and last but not the least lovely & lovable.

By jove I think I've got it "Five posts explained fall mainly from my brain" "But where is that brain?" "In Spain...in Spain" Posted via Mobile Device

No Kaydence is a different girl. She is known as Kaydence Kox, she was here two weeks ago. and she is sometime SweetShay's duo partner up in Toronto. Shay was in the SSM last week under a different name. And yes she is a force to be reckoned with :)

What's with the evangelicals being there.... Teaching us about morals....please.

I have seen JW several times but this is my first review... She has always been very easy to contact and meet. Location is right off the Queensway and street parking is normally easy to find. Now let's get to the important facts. JW is very sexy and very natural. She loves what she does and it is very evident that she enjoys it! If you want a quick visit or a longer encounter, she is a great option. Just tell her what you want and she is likely to say YES... and yes and yes and yes! Obviously YMMV, but be nice, polite and respectful and she will treat well. Enjoy fellas, she is a lot of fun!!!

Still see Jody whenever I can despite my wallet's attempts to make me see reason. She's gorgeous and loving - do what you need to walk out feeling like a million bucks (my wallet is not amused at this saying). She's a great kisser and she does other great things with her mouth that as a gentleman I'm not sure I can repeat. Hmm.. maybe just "Wow" will cover it? Jody appreciates a massage too (and other things) and lets you know it. I'll be continuing to see her, no complaints or issues here.

A few years ago, I was living in the heart of Toronto's gay community. As I am an open minded person, I have never had any prejudices against gays. I had had coworkers who were gay and it never bothered me. However, for the first time, I had the opportunity to get to know gay men personally because my neighbours were gay. I made it clear to them that I was not gay and I became friends with them. Getting to know gay men was an interesting experience. I learned a lot about gay culture. Gay culture has its own set of values that are totally different from the "heterosexual, white, Christian" culture that I grew up in. I am interested to see how Bill C-36 will impact gay culture and if the government will have the audacity to impose their values on gay culture? For example, in gay culture, the sugar daddy and sugar baby relationship is quite common. Young men have older boyfriends who provide for them financially in exchange for a sexual relationship. I have witnessed this several times. Many times, I was surprised to see a boy, who was barely out of his teens, dating a grey haired man. In gay culture, these relationships are not shameful. In contrast, heterosexual culture frowns upon sugar daddy/sugar baby relationships. Bill C-36 would make the sugar daddy a criminal because of the transactional nature of his relationship with the sugar baby. The opposition from the gay community will be great. I still remember the opposition that the government faced from the gay community when they raised the age of consent in 2008. The gay community was opposed to the age of consent for anal sex being set at 18. The age of consent law and Bill C-36 show that the government is totally out of touch with the main stream. Most people want sexual freedom not oppression.

She likes to shower just to smell fresh, shower with the clients i did not ask Posted via Mobile Device

I can squirt several times in a short period of time. When I squirt I squirt hard and fast its like a super soaker.

I was very fortunate to meet this girl. She's very sweet, patient, and accommodating. Great butt and a very pretty face.

yes, Penelope Davis is definitely a must see....awesome experience....an 11 out of 10

This recommendation is late in coming but mirrors all the others...Jodi is fantastic...warm, sensual, sexy as hell, loves to please and very receptive to being pleased...couldn't ask for more.

Great big hug from sunny NB. What a great day! xoxo

I am giving hugs to everyone! Today is one of the happiest days of my life!

My wallet hates her. Got to tell you folks, if you see her you will want to see her again. And probably not all that much later. And then again... My bank account cries when I think of her. Her location is pretty easy to get to and there's no hassle in booking via PM. She's beautiful - more so than I had expected before seeing her the first time (Not that I expected anything bad just not quite as cute as she turned out). This lady is very good at what she does and if you have good self control it may not destroy your paycheck. Very affectionate. I will obviously continue to visit.

Posted before by me in the past but worth seeing again. Hugs to everyone. NJ