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I like Midnight-Massage because she always seems so upbeat and positive. I have certainly not been that way of late and she tends to calm me down and that's a pretty nice thing! I've also been fortunate enough to meet her a couple of times and that has been a privilege. She is supportive I know of so many members on this board!

I don't know the answer to this, but... I really, really hope not. It would be a very sad day if all ads were done to the same template and the only difference between ladies was the pics.

I personally like them. It doesn't particularly sexy to have a piece of latex sticking out of your genitalia...but eh it does have some advantages 1) for those that want to do duos and have the fantasy of not changing condoms between girls can do it since each sP can wear a female condom 2) it's really good for those that get soft with putting a condom on their penis since you don't have the feeling of being construct by it

I want those. Seriously.

Hmmm. MN2 cheers for the wrong hockey team, the wrong CFL team, DEFINATELY the wrong NFL team but you know what..... After all that I still like him. He is a remarkable fella and Cerb is lucky to have his upbeat presence here.

Not sure if this is the right section, if not please move it for me.... I am needing some legal advice pertaining to defamation of character and all that jazz that goes along with it. If there is anyone who is a member of the board who has legal expertise in this field I would greatly appreciate you contacting me, I will accept pm's for this matter for your privacy as well..... Thank you in advance and any help/advice is greatly appreciated. xoxo Emily

Does this include a random guy saying he read your website, how nice it was and then tries to negotiate an appt asking for $100 an hour? It's mentioned a few times on my site that I don't negotiate. lol. Some people don't read, they are just completely ignorant or they just want to push to see how far they can get. I ended the convo right then and there. Definitely par for the course in this business but it sucks when you think you are having a good conversation with someone and then they drop the bomb, "I don't mean to sound cheap but can you do xxx for the hour?" Game over..

I just had a quick preview at my new pictures from my photoshoot yesterday... Can you say awesome and awesome again?! I'm a very happy camper at the moment! :biggrin:

If you are a well known established lady with a reputation for being discreet, sure, I will share info if I really need to see you. A new member with two posts? No thanks. It's a choice between seeing someone I know and trust vs seeing someone I do not know anything about and who wants my info.

I had the pleasure of meeting Cathy, for the first time, while she was in Charlottetown on Thursday evening and I can not say enough about her! Cathy is a Cerb member based out of Halifax who goes by Cathy for massages and Hfxdom for GFE and Fetish play. She does not advertise much but we caught each others attention a few months ago and we have been talking back and forth since. Unfortunately we have never been able to meet...until now. I have to say that the conversations we had set the bar fairly high but the experience was beyond even my hopes! Cathy is open minded, creative and anything but shy. The GFE she provided was eye opening to say the least so be forewarned if you have a heart condition! As with any recommendation that I post I don't go into details, and if I did post the details you wouldn't believe them anyway. When I arrived she met me at the door dressed exactly how we discussed which is a great way to start an evening. We sat, talked, got comfortable and let the evening begin. Needless to say YMMV but if I got the mileage out my car that I did last Thursday evening I would be a VERY happy motorist! This is a lady in her early forties who knows what she is doing and is confident enough to do it! So yes if you want to have a memorable experience contact her. If you want to have more fun than I know how to put into words call her. If you want a lady who is mature but has the body of an 18 year old than call her! I would and do highly recommend Cathy to anyone...that doesn't have a pacemaker!+ WEBSITE: http://www.escorthalifax.com/

Well some of us read the instructions (or website) as the case may be ;-) RG

Hahaha your post reminded me of this

That I stumbled across http://www.wikihow.com/Shave-Your-Pubic-Hair RG

Go to kijiji.ca and search for massage in the category called services You will find Luxurious Pampering Massage The ad lists all the prices for 30 min, 45 min and 1 hour sessions and it states the address is 1360 Main and phone number is there. Make an appointment and experience a session.

Angels Touch Massage 65 Bentley Ave. Mond Sept 15 630-11pm Wed Sept 17 630-11 Sat Sept 20 10am-4pm Full Body Relaxation Massage Treat yourself to an unforgettable amazing erotic,naughty massage,I also enjoy Sexy showers,bodyslides,fetishes, role play, Duos & Naughty fun!I'm 5'8 tall & fit long blonde hair & beautiful blue eyes always ready to try new things absolutely Xxperienced! If u have any questions just ask......... Massage: 30 minutes $50. 45 minutes $60. 60 minutes $80. My Recommendations *** http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=120424

After he testified in the 2nd reading, the abolitionists created a hate website about Chris trying to debunk and undermine his research (which again, i have to say, he didn't just slap up some polls on review sites, it was more than one person research university approved supervised study) I say 'his' for simplicity sake. And MPs also tried to undermine the research, sneering at the findings and the method. Same people will accept Farley's socalled research about clients in Scotland. Self reporting or face to face interviews, clients are obviously going to be considered to answering the questions in ways to make themselves look 'better', according to these anti sex worker types. But to me, you can't then say one study about clients (with such bad methods that people doing the interviews quit rather than be associated with it) is acceptable simply because it gives the results you want, and the other, with so many more participants, isn't OK.

There are massage parlours now where you have to show ID. You might consider it an age verification as well? There are few sps who ask to see the ID or ask for it to be sent to them or a photo to compare to the person showing up. Each sp determines how much info they need to feel secure, and it is up to the client to decide how much info they are willing to provide to feel secure . Very few sps have only one single way to proceed. Someone may say they want photo ID, but their 2nd option for screening is 2 references from established sp, plus a name (not necessarily real name) and phone #. It's pretty rare for any sp to have only one way, and that way being for clients to provide all kinds of personal info.

forunateone, Yes, I noticed Kady sitting in the audience busily tweeting! Senator Plett indeed was very, very annoyed with Chris Atchison's testimony!!! The three women testifying for Maggie's and Stella were so good-naturedly animated that I noticed quite a few senators smiling inspite of themselves. Parlvu video coverage is an excellent resource if you have the time. Alan Young is on this Wednesday afternoon.

This is a special girl. She's very real and super-cute. Fun and engaging conversationalist, well-educated, well-rounded and uber-smart. Superb courtesan in my opinion, and when I say this I'm comparing her to high-end courtesans I've seen in much larger cities. This will be her niche market. But because I like her doesn't mean that everyone will. Has done a really good job, I think, of representing herself on her website. Basically, if you read and like her website that's an indication. It follows then - to be sure - that she won't be for everybody. If you look for thirty minute porn-star romps with 38DDD barbie doll look-alikes, then you shouldn't waste your time nor hers. She doesn't accept appointments of less than an hour and is outcall only. Bit of an alternative look with some tattoos that shouldn't throw you off. I find them interesting but I don't think they really reflect her personality. I predict her career will end up following the same course as Jennifer Hunter's, where eventually she'll just build a group of regular cliental and stick with that. She fills a very real void on the local scene. But she's not for everyone.

C36 needs to be thrown out. There is nothing in it that is necessary to actually protect underage and unwilling participants. All existing laws not only do that already, they are being used to lay charges recently.

i didn't realize they had another day. I don't think much of the police association guy, but glad Alan Young is presenting. Geogia Lee Land is with the Evangelical Fellowship, and I seem to remember someone Evangelical speaking on Thursday already. so with limited space and time, are two non sex work related organizations from the same camp ground necessary? here you will find Kady O'Malley's updates during the hearings https://twitter.com/kady Scrolling down to Sept 11, you find the answers to questions and briefs recaps from Achison, and the male sex worker, and an actual manage of an actual body rub licensed mp. tweet regarding Chris Atchison's presentation (she is telling Timea, one of the abolitionist organizations creators with their hands out for govt $$). And more continued attempts to discredit the research that Chris presents (even tho he did not do the research by himself, after all, nor without peer review and/or advisors) https://twitter.com/kady/status/510145028183064576 https://twitter.com/kady/status/510098158832353281 This is true. Apparently in Sweden, the number of Thai massage parlours tripled after 1999 when the law was enacted, (their term is thai massage parlour, i am assuming all staff is asian, working with visas, not necessarily citizens). And a reporter investigated several of these mps a year or so ago, and found that as a new customer, 25% of them offered him happy endings. (I think there were 30 mps in a major city, the number grew to 90?) i've posted about this elsewhere before. For those who want to read the briefs submitted, and presented, there are some here. http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/412/lcjc/C36Briefs-e.htm

I have seen Lilly and pictures are real, safe and sweet personality. Told her about cerb and hope she becomes a member.

Yep and also how did "I want to be in you" become a God damn hello?"

Yup...

Yes last week I had right in my title, " Booking TUESDAY" And on Sunday had a million requests " can I book you today?" then I say, " is today Tuesday?" Then they say " no, is Sunday, but can I book you?" I say, no I am away" they say " where are you?" then I said " in Timbuktu" so even when simply posted, with CAPS in tittle, and hours avail, it is inevitable that I end up with these conversations, lmao

If a ladies ad refers to website I always take a few minutes to review the site. That said if I have never met the lady before I will usually engage the lady in a short conversation as for me personally this initial contact tells me a lot about the lady. I will normally try not to recover ground that the lady has spent considerable time covering on her site but I am pretty sure I have... there is only so many things to say. I appreciate that for me it is just a simple question or two but for you it is hundreds of the same questions from many men. So i will keep that more in mind. Very interesting Thread Thanks Just my Opinion

I sell stuff for my job. Sometimes i give a good customer a deal. A better deal than i should. Sometimes i have had those customers talk to much about that deal to the wrong people. They basically screw themselves from getting any deals ever again. If a girl ever bent rules of the establishment for me special like. Then i should keep quit about it. Even on an anonymous forum.

Might want to spell your name right if you want anyone to find your ad.. I mean you should spell HER name right... ooops...

I'm finding the recent discussion interesting, and has made me think about a few of my own assumptions. And I think that's what part of the recent discussion is about...what is a reasonable or standard assumption: a) Should (and "should" is a key word) a fellow be able to assume during DATY that a lady isn't on her period? Or... b) Should a guy assume whenever he is going down on a lady that it is possible she is on (or could be about to start) her period? I think this in part is where the discussion has evolved, and is a fair and interesting question. For myself, I'm in the "B" camp. Yes, it may be that a the risks increase if a lady is on her period, but menstruation is also a natural, frequently occurring process. It can't be viewed in the same camp as someone not disclosing an STD. It seems to me that just like someone who partakes in greek has to go in (so to speak) knowing there's always the risk of a bit of mess, those of us who love giving daty must do so knowing it's possible she is about to start her period, or on it and using a sponge. Another way of looking at the issue is this: if it's important for a guy to know whether or not a lady is on her period, is the burden of communication on the lady or the gent? I can see arguments both ways. After all, there's plenty of activities we assume won't happen unless a person communicates about it first. Maybe it's true this falls into that group. I'm not so sure, since the rule of thumb generally seems to be that if you have an issue to something fairly common/natural, then the onus is on the person with the issue to bring it up. And "shoulds" aside, it's clear it could happen regardless, so probably better to assume it's a possibility and go in with one's eyes wide open (or at least wearing goggles). :) Anyway, just some thoughts.

Reread the second paragraph of my post closely. I qualify every statement I make. I'm not saying women don't enjoy daty, I'm saying that it isn't a required service in our work unless the gent indicates an interest. I also didn't say that providers don't enjoy daty in an appointment ever, I simply gave some general parameters to having that happen organically. Talk about twisting words... What amazes me with this industry is willingness of the participants; both provider and client to tow the balloons and streamers party line at all costs, engage in behaviour then vent publicly or semi-privately when it goes wrong. In this business there are some great aspects, some less than great and some aspects that are truly gross. Sex is messy tho it can be fun if the parties are willing to be adults. I'm not advocating providers not disclose, I'm trying to bring a dose of reality to the discussion that honestly indicates the transient and unregulated nature of this industry and the potential impact that has on the participants health and safety. I think if someone is unwilling to take precautions then they don't have the right to complain. If the OP had used a dental dam, the risk would have been negligible and we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, he chose to engage in an unsafe service. The new to the industry provider was obviously in a difficult position given she was seeing her first client in spite of her monthly and when the mishap occurred, the OP took her fee back then her agency didn't have the decency to back her up. To me, the prevailing attitudes and the entire situation is a travesty... cat

I replied once, and have not since... But with Nominating Cat's post, I feel it is time to speak up again. It is a tricky subject, sensitive in nature for both participants. Perhaps this lady was new, with no guidance to rely on? Maybe she simply was hoping that this apt would be fine, if no fingers were used, or maybe she felt she was almost finished so therefore she did not expect to start another heavy flo? Regardless.....this can also happen with no notice at all! For myself, I have had a week and sometimes 2 week difference in my calendar. So would this topic be different? Not too sure! If I was touring, and I spent 1400.00 on flight and hotel, and my time started a week early.....well guess what, suck it up buttercup! I have to get home, pay for my location. I have no way to say 100% if I will start, when, how heavy or light, but one thing I am sure of, is my flight and hotel wont give shit. HOWEVER, I am experienced, and also would tell my client, I am light and safe, but not good for oral on me, just cause I would be self conscience for odor mishaps. As for health concerns, the most sever concerns are almost NIL when oxygen hits theses viruses, unless you have an open mouth sore, even then air to virus is least harmful other then no air. SUCH AS... I have had times whereas my client has had health issues to cause blood in condom! Is this chlamydia? or is this " torn tissue?", is this urinary track blockage? Now what if that condom broke? Would I start this thread? NO I WOULD NOT, because if I felt at risk, I would go immediately to emergency room at the hospital and say I may have been at risk. Then would have to deal with the outcome of this.

After reading this thread for the last few days, I think most if not all the folks here (myself included) feel sorry for the SP in question. I have a feeling that the OP probably realizes that he could have been over reacting with what he said he did by the fact that he went back and edited out that particular para. When one encounters something unexpected like blood during a sex act, everyone could react differently including being shocked. I mentioned ( probably too hastily) in my earlier post (#7) that I was shocked too. But in actual fact, my cool head ;) prevailed in that I did not react hastily - I simply showed them ( the SPs) the stains. My experiences didn't involve sponge, by the way. The two ladies were actually more shocked and were very embarrassed. I comforted them, washed up and came back to continue the sessions (without certain activities obviously). I even posted recos to thank them for the overall very enjoyable sessions - without mentioning the incidents. My original donations stayed with them and I gave them a good tip as well. Reading the whole thread, I would say I've learned many new things. If I could summarise, these will be - many ladies have the need to work through their periods - a sponge could be used to prevent the flow and allow them to continue working - the consensus is that clients will like to be informed ahead of time - the time of month could sometimes arrive unexpectedly.. - and when it does, it should be handled with compassion since this is more like an accident and it is a natural biological process One last thing, to those who do not think we pay ladies to hang out, I am one of those who actually did and will continue to. I enjoy social times like going out for lunch, dinner, a stroll in the park, a bike ride and even skating and skiing.

I'm in total agreement with the last few posters, but would like to offer another point of view. I use a sponge during appointments, not because I am on my period, but because I have an IUD (and it has stopped my periods) and have found that some guests do not respect my boundaries when it comes to digits (deep, forceful ones are really not that pleasant at all), or that I've found when a gentleman is well-endowed or in a really good position to hit my cervix (or using really deep digits), that sometimes that force can trigger some bleeding. Also, vigorous digits, especially with someone who has not trimmed/filed their nails, can also cause tears in the vaginal tissue, which could also lead to bleeding. Just a thought. Point being: I think this should have been a discussion between you and the lady in question, not something made public, whether you intend to name her or not. As someone who has used sponges, I agree with previous posters that they do not just "fall out" from oral sex alone -- when tucked away properly, they are very very difficult to find sometimes, and often require some contortionist efforts to remove them.

How is this any different than a man doing DATY and the SP starting her period unexpectedly? Would you react the same way? She didn't know her period was starting (not all women have regular periods, FYI). This has happened before and honestly, no big deal. Mature men recognize that this is a fact of life and don't get all worked up about it and storm out and short a provider the money she's owed. I get the hygiene aspect, I do, but are you seriously trying to tell me this is worse than the cheese dick I've experienced where I had to literally swallow my own vomit to keep going? Let's be real here. One is a hygiene crisis and one is simply a fact of life. This seems to be an offense based on the fact that she didn't tell you she was ragging it. Sorry, none of your business. You're not owed a warning either. How an escort chooses to conduct her business is her business. Not all women can afford to take up to a week off of work. And I've sponged it tons of times in my six years of working. I'm sorry this happened to you, but in the grand scheme of things it's an anomaly.

I wasn't going to comment but I started thinking that SP might be reading this. So, to that lady I just want to say this, I'm sorry. I don't know how you feel right now but I would be embarrassed and insulted - even more so now that this thread has taken hold. If it is any consolation, this is the exception. Most men on here are sweet and understanding and kind (as you may know), I'm sorry that this experience wasnt a positive one. Nobody should ever treat a person in such an insulting manner. If you ever need to talk please know that there are so many of us that want to listen and help whenever we can.

I am not going to comment on the main issue at hand but I will address the following: Nobody wants to pay "any of us" just to "hang out"? lol Actually, just so you know, and speaking from experience, the so-called legal loophole you are talking about is called GFE companionship which many ladies offer, myself included; many gentlemen like to partake in experiences that involve a whole lot more than just a list of acronyms with sex acts while spending time with a lady. Some even schedule social dates that don't even included any intimacy. Imagine that ;)

The girl should be cut A LOT of slack. I know how terrifying, how much of a hurdle, seeing my first SP was. So I can only imagine how terrifying this first time must have been for the lady. To compound her already existing fear with what happened, well it must have been horrible for her. There have been ladies in my early days of this lifestyle who gave me tips and advice on how to be a good client, and in part that's why I'm the client I am today. Clients, especially experienced clients might want to consider when they see a lady new to this lifestyle doing the same. Respectful advice given to someone new from someone experienced is always appreciated. No one's first time is perfect. But now, the memory of her first time is a bad memory, a nightmare. Someone is owed an apology here by the sounds of it, and it doesn't seem it's the OP that's owed one Anyhow a rambling RG

I think one of the first things she might want to enact is her body her rules. Just because a number of things are considered to be requirements in appts, doesn't mean that she has to do all of those things. In this situation, it would have been best to say no to digits. In many cases, men are too rough, and in some cases, women can get infections simply by offering that service. It is easy to add services and activities to a more limited menu, but it is very difficult to remove them. If she had a few more restrictions, she would be able to allow those things for repeat clients or for new clients who are able to show they can be trusted to do them. If you are working with her, showing her the ropes, so to speak, or on terms with her to talk about these things, this is good info for her to have. She doesn't have to do things that put her health or safety at risk just because all the cool kids are doing it, :) The first thing new sps need to learn is how to say no. It is unfortunate that her first experience should have been such a scary one. But saying no is important

In my experience, the only way a sponge will dislodge is thru aggressive, deep fingering... cat

Hi there, been on Cerb for a bit, but this is my first post. I'm throwing my two cents in here, since the situation that occured is not as the OP described(no, I'm not the one he is talking about). While I wholeheartedly agree that you should inform the client when you are on your period, and allow them to decide whether or not to continue with the appointment. The girl in question was brand spanking new, scared out of her wits since she had never done any sort of escorting before, and to top it all off, she unexpectedly gets her period RIGHT when her client(the OP) is supposed to show up. When the OP found out about the sponge, he was angry, which is not an inappropraite response to have. What is inappropriate, however, is that he yelled at her, took all of the money back, and threw a few twenties in her face while he stormed out. This poor girl was unbelievably upset, especially since this was the first escorting experience she had ever had. Yes, I do believe we should discuss this with the clients ahead of time, I think that's just being respectful to them; but it is not okay to take your money from her, after already spending a significant amount of time, and treating her in such a degrading manner. All-in-all, had she been in the business for a bit, I'd absolutely say she should have known better, but the fact the it was her first day, AND first client, and she was treated so rudely, I'd say let's cut the girl some slack.

Imo, a true gentleman would not bring this onto a board but that's just me despite the fact that you didn't disclose her name. This is something that is a natural occurrence and what if she happened to just get her period at that moment? Would you still treat her the same way? Yes, lots of woman use the sponge while on their period and most of us can't afford to take a week off. I am fortunate not to have long heavy periods anymore. More like 3 days now. Usually during this time I will feel not in good spirits anyways and take time off because I'm not in the mood. However, I've used them and if inserted correctly no one can detect it or blood for that matter. The only way for it to be noticed would be through forceful, painful fingering to the extreme which I don't allow or if not inserted properly. Nothing usually gets past that sponge. Never once did I have this happen to this degree but I did start my period while with a client and I was never treated this way. What happened for this to dislodge like that? If people want to think this is dishonesty then that's their opinion. Will I punish a guy because he just urinated and wants a bj? No I wouldn't embarrass them like that. I would do what's necessary to make sure they are fresh. It is your decision to either stay or leave and you have your opinion about menstural periods but I don't think there was a need for such dramatics. I think this could have been handled a lot better. Did you ever think for one moment how she felt? The word humiliated comes to mind. Perhaps she has no choice but to work during this time and never intended for this to happen. Instead of solely thinking how you think she possibly tricked or betrayed you for cash, think about the other person for a moment. This isn't just any unsatisfactory customer service complaint at a store, restuarant, etc. We're talking about a private intimate transaction between two people and it should be handled delicately. Not so much now.

My thoughts, I may catch some flak for this but I think if you are offering your time AND your body, it is only proper and professional to tell the client when your monthly appears and give him the respect of choosing what he wants to do. When you do not disclose this information, you are essentially taking away that person's choice and in this manner, their informed consent to sexual services. That is not a risk I am willing to take with someone for the sake of a few bucks. I do wish the OP would have kept in his post the part about taking the money back. Taking that out of the original post seems a little shady in my opinion.

You basic understanding is accurate and this is a really good question. Thank you for asking. I believe playing during a period changes the risk factors negligibly when handled correctly. Periods can cycle anywhere from 14 to a 40 day cycle, lasting 1 to 14 days and the flow varies depending on the woman's hormone cycle. Some women cramp, some don't. For some, sex is intolerably painful during menses, for others it relieves cramps. Tampons, pads, keepers and cups can be used when not having sexual intercourse but sponges can used when playing. Simply put, the sponges act like tampons without interfering with penetration. If men would be more open minded to using a dental dam and play safely then this would be a moot conversation. For me the bottom line is the only responsible play utilizes barrier methods for all acts that have the potential for the exchange of bodily fluids. If a man balks at using a dental dam but insists on daty with a woman knowing that she is a fertile, healthy potentially menstruating woman, then he assumes the risk that she may in fact be menstruating, getting ready to menstruate so the actual act could bring it on or she could have just ceased bleeding and there may still be blood traces hiding in her uterus that could be released during the function of lubrication during a rendezvous. I think that heterosexual men need to understand the amazing biology of the female reproductive cycle so for more information, those with more questions can further research it online... cat

I think it's unrealistic to expect a provider to take a week off every month given the prices here in Canada. Can anyone imagine losing 25% of their income due to an unavoidable, naturally occurring event? In the past I have worked thru my period and never had an issue. Some clients I informed if I knew they may have an issue, others I didn't. I've used sponges for most of my career because penetration often caused break thru bleeding which was not part of my menstrual cycle. Life happens, especially during sex. Obviously the provider needed the income or she wouldn't have been working thru her cycle. Taking the donation back certainly gives clear indication of character and shows someones view of providers clearly. I for one, appreciate when clients post situations like this and their reaction to it as it allows me to see who they are... cat

Ok -- there are a few things that jumped out at me as I read this thread, both the OP post and the comments. 1. A woman needs to disclose when it's that time of the month? That seems awfully private, and extreme. 2. Women in this industry REGULARLY, and SUCCESSFULLY, work through their period with things such as sponges or soft cups. It happens ALL the time. 3. How mortified this poor woman must have felt by the completely immature way you reacted. Clearly the sponge became dislodged. And you know what? Menstruation is a fact of life. She didn't know that happened, or mean for it to. She's likely worked through her period COUNTLESS times with no issue. 4. Asking women to not work during their period is ridiculous. 5. Taking the donation and insulting her further by leaving $40?!!?!! It was an unfortunate incident that wasn't planned. It was dealt with poorly by you, and that poor woman wasn't given a chance to correct the situation -- and then ALSO had to lose out on her pay for that booking? Complete and utter disrespect. SO much wrong with this!!!!!!

I've seen a a number of SP's and liked some, some were average, and some where I wish I had just stayed home. Paige though was excellent and has been the only SP I have repeated with, and the 2nd time was even better than the first. She is a very beautiful girl, a great personality, a very nice body, and seems like she is actually enjoying herself. Her incall is a nicely renovated apartment. I would definitely give her my recommendation! A great experience.

Me and my pooch. Too bad more Ottawa guys weren't dog friendly this visit! xo Emily

Okay , I have had a lot of massages over the years of all different kinds ! This was a mix between a real massage and some very nice perks ! These 2 ladies work together very well , 4 hands relaxing , therapeudic ( hope i spelled it right ) and I am not even sure that I can describe it , holy crap , wow , frig . They had me in heaven , I had a few things happen that have never happenned before and all I can say is you really should try this out . It was simply awesome , amazing and I am still ( 3 hours later ) in a little bit of some kind of stupor . Definitely something that should be on everyones bucket list , I am going back soon .