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I like Midnight-Massage because she always seems so upbeat and positive. I have certainly not been that way of late and she tends to calm me down and that's a pretty nice thing! I've also been fortunate enough to meet her a couple of times and that has been a privilege. She is supportive I know of so many members on this board!

I don't know the answer to this, but... I really, really hope not. It would be a very sad day if all ads were done to the same template and the only difference between ladies was the pics.

I personally like them. It doesn't particularly sexy to have a piece of latex sticking out of your genitalia...but eh it does have some advantages 1) for those that want to do duos and have the fantasy of not changing condoms between girls can do it since each sP can wear a female condom 2) it's really good for those that get soft with putting a condom on their penis since you don't have the feeling of being construct by it

I want those. Seriously.

Hmmm. MN2 cheers for the wrong hockey team, the wrong CFL team, DEFINATELY the wrong NFL team but you know what..... After all that I still like him. He is a remarkable fella and Cerb is lucky to have his upbeat presence here.

Not sure if this is the right section, if not please move it for me.... I am needing some legal advice pertaining to defamation of character and all that jazz that goes along with it. If there is anyone who is a member of the board who has legal expertise in this field I would greatly appreciate you contacting me, I will accept pm's for this matter for your privacy as well..... Thank you in advance and any help/advice is greatly appreciated. xoxo Emily

Does this include a random guy saying he read your website, how nice it was and then tries to negotiate an appt asking for $100 an hour? It's mentioned a few times on my site that I don't negotiate. lol. Some people don't read, they are just completely ignorant or they just want to push to see how far they can get. I ended the convo right then and there. Definitely par for the course in this business but it sucks when you think you are having a good conversation with someone and then they drop the bomb, "I don't mean to sound cheap but can you do xxx for the hour?" Game over..

I just had a quick preview at my new pictures from my photoshoot yesterday... Can you say awesome and awesome again?! I'm a very happy camper at the moment! :biggrin:

If you are a well known established lady with a reputation for being discreet, sure, I will share info if I really need to see you. A new member with two posts? No thanks. It's a choice between seeing someone I know and trust vs seeing someone I do not know anything about and who wants my info.

Well, I was very fortunate earlier this week that Victoria was stopping in my little town. I got in touch with her and the meeting was set. Upon arrival to her room, I was greeted with a great, warm hug and kiss by what can only be described as a goddess. Tall, fit, great curves and oh man, what a kisser. I felt at ease instantly and we had so much fun. Victoria has a couple of "ticklish" places and she giggles but says she loves the tickling feeling so I, of course, kept going back for more. :D. Then she took the reins, so to speak and practically made me melt. I won't get into the explicit details (it's not my style), but this lady has skills that are hard to match. We had such a wonderful time and the "oui, oui" and "ooo la la" during our intimate time was icing on the cake. Victoria is exquisite in every sense of the word. A remarkable beauty that I will make every effort to see again if she comes my way in the future. Thank you to this wonderful woman.

Today I had the opportunity to confront myself. I went to a local bakery on Elgin St. and purchased something for $2.95. Not a large amount, however, I believed I gave the owner a 20$ bill. Once back in my apartment, I'd realized that I gave him a ten. I went back to this gentlemans bakery and proceeded to explain what had happened. I apologized for MY MISTAKE, as I really thought I gave a $20. I gave the gentlemen his correct change, I actually thought about not going, as I was tired, feeling lazy etc., when I realized, hey, you'd not appreciate this in a reverse scenario. Hands down decision. Happy ending: the gentleman was happy for me wrestling with my conscious. It was a great, up lifting moment. Sometimes it pays not to be lazy, when you see the happy, enlightened face of honesty.

I want to mention, that when I renewed my yellow pages ad, they were very unaware of the new changes. So I filled them in on what I knew and suggested that they contact their legal reps for a consultation. I was an agency, but since this new Bill is our reality, I gone back to a solo business. They were grateful for the info I had shared with them and will be looking into what changes they also will need to make for other agencies. I was carful in my ad title, as I put the words " independent entertainer" which pleased their legal responsibilities for 3rd party advertisers.

This morning while I drink my coffee and read the boards here, I?m struck by how many complaints we have about the guys who take advantage of some aspect of our services and then treat us badly. There are active discussions about men who: Try to negotiate or bargain clearly-stated non-negotiable fees Try to pay less than the agreed fee after they arrive Try to get services that were not agreed on before the date Complain about our screening questions Don?t bother to take a shower, brush their teeth or trim their nails before seeing us Assume that we're likely to rob them Threaten to write bad reviews and/or aren?t believed when they write good ones Insult us, our need for safety and even our looks when we don?t give in to what they demand No one is forced to read our ads and websites, look at our photos, contact us, discuss our services with us, or meet with us. It?s all voluntary and initiated by the client. The client has needs, feelings, preferences and curiosity, but why do so many refuse to take responsibility for themselves? What they express as anger, self-righteous indignation and personal entitlement is really projected self-hatred. I want to sit these men down and say: If you don?t want to see a paid companion, don?t do it. If you decide to seek out a companion, that's your decision. What you want is not what everyone else may want. That?s usually a wonderful thing. Recognize that we?re not like cheap candy that you can buy daily. We?re more like fine dining to be enjoyed occasionally. Plan accordingly. If someone?s prices are too high for you, either wait until you can afford her, or find someone else. Meanwhile, don't blame her for your lack of funds. Recognize that she charges what the market will bear. That means that there are plenty of others who can afford to see her. Always be polite and considerate. No matter what. Even if you feel confused, disappointed or insulted, be polite. Remember that companions are human beings, just like you. We have needs, desires, dreams and things we?re worried about or afraid of, just as you do. We will protect both your health and our own. Fair is fair. If you're worried about your safety, know that she's concerned about her safety, too. No matter who or how important you are or think you are, the one who is taking the most risks is always the companion. Always. Relax.

I have used them a couple of times, with at least 2 people saying they really didn't like them. One situation it was the best solution, and he didn't seem to have a problem at all. On a US forum that i used to be on, there were a lot of sps and clients who raved about them, making me think they are much more commonly used there, or at least known about. For me all the downsides have been mentioned as well as the upsides. no one when this was discussed on this other forum seemed to be aware of or cared about the look of them or the awkwardness of putting them in, or anything of the sort. I guess it is a case of getting used to them. Maybe an sp can use them exclusively with one client until they are both more experienced and relaxed about it, then either one can spread that know how lol. rambling guy, i think they only way you could 'miss' is if you are an exit/enter guy, and most guys aren't doing that, they aren't going all the way out, then all the way back in again. I don't think they are ideal for someone who does that. I do think they are ideal for someone who is just too large for XL condoms. or someone who is too aware of the condom to maintain the erection. if you google, you will find an XXX rated instructional video that is really great.

Well some of us read the instructions (or website) as the case may be ;-) RG

don't learn the tricks of the trade , learn the trade . a flower does not think of competing to the flower next to it , it just blooms . we can only be what we give ourselves the power to be . it does not require many words to speak the truth . angels can fly because they take themselves lightly . it takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded .

Hahaha your post reminded me of this

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The only time I've had to show ID is at hotels checking in, a credit card and a piece of ID. (I'm an outcall type of guy) But never to a companion But there was one time I showed my badge/ID (I used to be in LE) to a lady I was seeing...because she was interested. I showed her my medal too. I guess a new take on the old line "come up and see my etchings" LOL RG

There are massage parlours now where you have to show ID. You might consider it an age verification as well? There are few sps who ask to see the ID or ask for it to be sent to them or a photo to compare to the person showing up. Each sp determines how much info they need to feel secure, and it is up to the client to decide how much info they are willing to provide to feel secure . Very few sps have only one single way to proceed. Someone may say they want photo ID, but their 2nd option for screening is 2 references from established sp, plus a name (not necessarily real name) and phone #. It's pretty rare for any sp to have only one way, and that way being for clients to provide all kinds of personal info.

This is a special girl. She's very real and super-cute. Fun and engaging conversationalist, well-educated, well-rounded and uber-smart. Superb courtesan in my opinion, and when I say this I'm comparing her to high-end courtesans I've seen in much larger cities. This will be her niche market. But because I like her doesn't mean that everyone will. Has done a really good job, I think, of representing herself on her website. Basically, if you read and like her website that's an indication. It follows then - to be sure - that she won't be for everybody. If you look for thirty minute porn-star romps with 38DDD barbie doll look-alikes, then you shouldn't waste your time nor hers. She doesn't accept appointments of less than an hour and is outcall only. Bit of an alternative look with some tattoos that shouldn't throw you off. I find them interesting but I don't think they really reflect her personality. I predict her career will end up following the same course as Jennifer Hunter's, where eventually she'll just build a group of regular cliental and stick with that. She fills a very real void on the local scene. But she's not for everyone.

C36 needs to be thrown out. There is nothing in it that is necessary to actually protect underage and unwilling participants. All existing laws not only do that already, they are being used to lay charges recently.

i didn't realize they had another day. I don't think much of the police association guy, but glad Alan Young is presenting. Geogia Lee Land is with the Evangelical Fellowship, and I seem to remember someone Evangelical speaking on Thursday already. so with limited space and time, are two non sex work related organizations from the same camp ground necessary? here you will find Kady O'Malley's updates during the hearings https://twitter.com/kady Scrolling down to Sept 11, you find the answers to questions and briefs recaps from Achison, and the male sex worker, and an actual manage of an actual body rub licensed mp. tweet regarding Chris Atchison's presentation (she is telling Timea, one of the abolitionist organizations creators with their hands out for govt $$). And more continued attempts to discredit the research that Chris presents (even tho he did not do the research by himself, after all, nor without peer review and/or advisors) https://twitter.com/kady/status/510145028183064576 https://twitter.com/kady/status/510098158832353281 This is true. Apparently in Sweden, the number of Thai massage parlours tripled after 1999 when the law was enacted, (their term is thai massage parlour, i am assuming all staff is asian, working with visas, not necessarily citizens). And a reporter investigated several of these mps a year or so ago, and found that as a new customer, 25% of them offered him happy endings. (I think there were 30 mps in a major city, the number grew to 90?) i've posted about this elsewhere before. For those who want to read the briefs submitted, and presented, there are some here. http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/412/lcjc/C36Briefs-e.htm

I have seen Lilly and pictures are real, safe and sweet personality. Told her about cerb and hope she becomes a member.

Rude people. Technology has created a ton of them! How did hello how are you become "cost?"

Yup...

I sell stuff for my job. Sometimes i give a good customer a deal. A better deal than i should. Sometimes i have had those customers talk to much about that deal to the wrong people. They basically screw themselves from getting any deals ever again. If a girl ever bent rules of the establishment for me special like. Then i should keep quit about it. Even on an anonymous forum.

I'm finding the recent discussion interesting, and has made me think about a few of my own assumptions. And I think that's what part of the recent discussion is about...what is a reasonable or standard assumption: a) Should (and "should" is a key word) a fellow be able to assume during DATY that a lady isn't on her period? Or... b) Should a guy assume whenever he is going down on a lady that it is possible she is on (or could be about to start) her period? I think this in part is where the discussion has evolved, and is a fair and interesting question. For myself, I'm in the "B" camp. Yes, it may be that a the risks increase if a lady is on her period, but menstruation is also a natural, frequently occurring process. It can't be viewed in the same camp as someone not disclosing an STD. It seems to me that just like someone who partakes in greek has to go in (so to speak) knowing there's always the risk of a bit of mess, those of us who love giving daty must do so knowing it's possible she is about to start her period, or on it and using a sponge. Another way of looking at the issue is this: if it's important for a guy to know whether or not a lady is on her period, is the burden of communication on the lady or the gent? I can see arguments both ways. After all, there's plenty of activities we assume won't happen unless a person communicates about it first. Maybe it's true this falls into that group. I'm not so sure, since the rule of thumb generally seems to be that if you have an issue to something fairly common/natural, then the onus is on the person with the issue to bring it up. And "shoulds" aside, it's clear it could happen regardless, so probably better to assume it's a possibility and go in with one's eyes wide open (or at least wearing goggles). :) Anyway, just some thoughts.

I replied once, and have not since... But with Nominating Cat's post, I feel it is time to speak up again. It is a tricky subject, sensitive in nature for both participants. Perhaps this lady was new, with no guidance to rely on? Maybe she simply was hoping that this apt would be fine, if no fingers were used, or maybe she felt she was almost finished so therefore she did not expect to start another heavy flo? Regardless.....this can also happen with no notice at all! For myself, I have had a week and sometimes 2 week difference in my calendar. So would this topic be different? Not too sure! If I was touring, and I spent 1400.00 on flight and hotel, and my time started a week early.....well guess what, suck it up buttercup! I have to get home, pay for my location. I have no way to say 100% if I will start, when, how heavy or light, but one thing I am sure of, is my flight and hotel wont give shit. HOWEVER, I am experienced, and also would tell my client, I am light and safe, but not good for oral on me, just cause I would be self conscience for odor mishaps. As for health concerns, the most sever concerns are almost NIL when oxygen hits theses viruses, unless you have an open mouth sore, even then air to virus is least harmful other then no air. SUCH AS... I have had times whereas my client has had health issues to cause blood in condom! Is this chlamydia? or is this " torn tissue?", is this urinary track blockage? Now what if that condom broke? Would I start this thread? NO I WOULD NOT, because if I felt at risk, I would go immediately to emergency room at the hospital and say I may have been at risk. Then would have to deal with the outcome of this.

I don't see it as secrecy, simply what the buyers market here has dictated. Canadian clients expect bb daty and many take convincing to actually use a dental dam. Here in Ottawa I have only had one client request the use of a dam before we've met in the last decade. I can't speak for other providers but that indicates to me that it just isn't that genuine a concern for most hobbyists. Unless of course it goes wrong as this thread has indicated. I'm going to clarify something that seems to have escaped some. How often does a provider insist a client go down on her? Think about it. Daty is performed for the client, not the provider during a first, second or even a third apptointment. I have yet to meet a provider that says "My guys have to go down on me." Most of the providers in my circle would prefer not to have guys perform daty until there is some connection and trust. In my experience, a woman has to be able to relax in order to enjoy it which seldom happens at the onset of this dynamic and I also believe it should only happen at her request. I consider daty a consumer driven service when it's listed on a menu and often an appointment will hinge on whether or not it's provided; many men decline when they are told it's safe service only. If there was genuine risk management going on, clients would realize the chance of menses and the dam would be requested regardless of whether or not a provider admits to being on her cycle or not. To me this is a case of having your cake and eating it too. From a practical standpoint I simply don't see it going both ways. If you want unprotected daty, then you assume the worst possible risk is present and accept it or you use protection. Until there are legislated health and safety practices in place (which most of the industry seems resistant to according to the bbbj thread), the fact remains that a man never knows what is happening in his providers reproductive organs and the onus is on him if he wants to perform orally. If daty is that important to him, he should insist that precautions are used or accept the consequences of his decision if the results are less than he desired. Anything else is simply abdicating responsibility... cat

When the money is given to the Provider it becomes Her money. When it is taken back after the fact it is considered stealing. Humiliated and robbed. Wow.

If you actually thought it through, you would see that is a tremendous ask. If risk aversion is your goal, you don't perform unprotected daty I'm to assume? As we have had the oral sex "risk" discussion ad nauseum here and the resounding response from most hobbyists is that they will make their own decisions regarding safe oral sex all the while the actual weight of the risk is carried by the SP. Now the shoe is on the other foot the tone and response is decidedly different. With a bbbj, the risk is carried by the provider and I genuinely believe most who provide it only so so because of the negative financial impact if one doesn't offer it. We already share the most intimate parts of ourselves with our clients, now it's expected we disclose our menstrual cycles as well? Perhaps we should keep photos of our enemas discharges so greek freaks can be assured we prepared to their satisfaction? This is why I have never offered a menu or consent to see clients who demand one. I agree to nothing in advance which leaves me with the option of guiding the session to ensure I only engage in activities I know to be safe with my guests. Not all ladies have that luxury with their client base. Given the feast and famine nature of the business, there are many who can't afford to lose 20-25% of her yearly income. I'd like to see what men would do if they had to take a 25% a year pay hit for a bodily function. Especially when it never coincides with the other things we have to take time off for; like being out of work for a urinary track infection or yeast infection. Which btw is also an almost monthly occurrence for many of us due to our work and we physically can't work thru it. Or any of the other things like the flu and cold epidemics we are exposed to daily that "real" jobs have paid, legislated sick days for which we are not entitled to. The reality is that sex workers have been using sponges for as long as sex workers and sponges have been around. My stance on this is safe play saves. Until you know and trust someone, use barrier protection for all acts that may exchange body fluids. It isn't rocket science, just a piece of rubber and if you don't want to use one, then be prepared for the unexpected...

After reading this thread for the last few days, I think most if not all the folks here (myself included) feel sorry for the SP in question. I have a feeling that the OP probably realizes that he could have been over reacting with what he said he did by the fact that he went back and edited out that particular para. When one encounters something unexpected like blood during a sex act, everyone could react differently including being shocked. I mentioned ( probably too hastily) in my earlier post (#7) that I was shocked too. But in actual fact, my cool head ;) prevailed in that I did not react hastily - I simply showed them ( the SPs) the stains. My experiences didn't involve sponge, by the way. The two ladies were actually more shocked and were very embarrassed. I comforted them, washed up and came back to continue the sessions (without certain activities obviously). I even posted recos to thank them for the overall very enjoyable sessions - without mentioning the incidents. My original donations stayed with them and I gave them a good tip as well. Reading the whole thread, I would say I've learned many new things. If I could summarise, these will be - many ladies have the need to work through their periods - a sponge could be used to prevent the flow and allow them to continue working - the consensus is that clients will like to be informed ahead of time - the time of month could sometimes arrive unexpectedly.. - and when it does, it should be handled with compassion since this is more like an accident and it is a natural biological process One last thing, to those who do not think we pay ladies to hang out, I am one of those who actually did and will continue to. I enjoy social times like going out for lunch, dinner, a stroll in the park, a bike ride and even skating and skiing.

How is this any different than a man doing DATY and the SP starting her period unexpectedly? Would you react the same way? She didn't know her period was starting (not all women have regular periods, FYI). This has happened before and honestly, no big deal. Mature men recognize that this is a fact of life and don't get all worked up about it and storm out and short a provider the money she's owed. I get the hygiene aspect, I do, but are you seriously trying to tell me this is worse than the cheese dick I've experienced where I had to literally swallow my own vomit to keep going? Let's be real here. One is a hygiene crisis and one is simply a fact of life. This seems to be an offense based on the fact that she didn't tell you she was ragging it. Sorry, none of your business. You're not owed a warning either. How an escort chooses to conduct her business is her business. Not all women can afford to take up to a week off of work. And I've sponged it tons of times in my six years of working. I'm sorry this happened to you, but in the grand scheme of things it's an anomaly.

I am not going to comment on the main issue at hand but I will address the following: Nobody wants to pay "any of us" just to "hang out"? lol Actually, just so you know, and speaking from experience, the so-called legal loophole you are talking about is called GFE companionship which many ladies offer, myself included; many gentlemen like to partake in experiences that involve a whole lot more than just a list of acronyms with sex acts while spending time with a lady. Some even schedule social dates that don't even included any intimacy. Imagine that ;)

The girl should be cut A LOT of slack. I know how terrifying, how much of a hurdle, seeing my first SP was. So I can only imagine how terrifying this first time must have been for the lady. To compound her already existing fear with what happened, well it must have been horrible for her. There have been ladies in my early days of this lifestyle who gave me tips and advice on how to be a good client, and in part that's why I'm the client I am today. Clients, especially experienced clients might want to consider when they see a lady new to this lifestyle doing the same. Respectful advice given to someone new from someone experienced is always appreciated. No one's first time is perfect. But now, the memory of her first time is a bad memory, a nightmare. Someone is owed an apology here by the sounds of it, and it doesn't seem it's the OP that's owed one Anyhow a rambling RG

I think one of the first things she might want to enact is her body her rules. Just because a number of things are considered to be requirements in appts, doesn't mean that she has to do all of those things. In this situation, it would have been best to say no to digits. In many cases, men are too rough, and in some cases, women can get infections simply by offering that service. It is easy to add services and activities to a more limited menu, but it is very difficult to remove them. If she had a few more restrictions, she would be able to allow those things for repeat clients or for new clients who are able to show they can be trusted to do them. If you are working with her, showing her the ropes, so to speak, or on terms with her to talk about these things, this is good info for her to have. She doesn't have to do things that put her health or safety at risk just because all the cool kids are doing it, :) The first thing new sps need to learn is how to say no. It is unfortunate that her first experience should have been such a scary one. But saying no is important

In my experience, the only way a sponge will dislodge is thru aggressive, deep fingering... cat

Imo, a true gentleman would not bring this onto a board but that's just me despite the fact that you didn't disclose her name. This is something that is a natural occurrence and what if she happened to just get her period at that moment? Would you still treat her the same way? Yes, lots of woman use the sponge while on their period and most of us can't afford to take a week off. I am fortunate not to have long heavy periods anymore. More like 3 days now. Usually during this time I will feel not in good spirits anyways and take time off because I'm not in the mood. However, I've used them and if inserted correctly no one can detect it or blood for that matter. The only way for it to be noticed would be through forceful, painful fingering to the extreme which I don't allow or if not inserted properly. Nothing usually gets past that sponge. Never once did I have this happen to this degree but I did start my period while with a client and I was never treated this way. What happened for this to dislodge like that? If people want to think this is dishonesty then that's their opinion. Will I punish a guy because he just urinated and wants a bj? No I wouldn't embarrass them like that. I would do what's necessary to make sure they are fresh. It is your decision to either stay or leave and you have your opinion about menstural periods but I don't think there was a need for such dramatics. I think this could have been handled a lot better. Did you ever think for one moment how she felt? The word humiliated comes to mind. Perhaps she has no choice but to work during this time and never intended for this to happen. Instead of solely thinking how you think she possibly tricked or betrayed you for cash, think about the other person for a moment. This isn't just any unsatisfactory customer service complaint at a store, restuarant, etc. We're talking about a private intimate transaction between two people and it should be handled delicately. Not so much now.

My thoughts, I may catch some flak for this but I think if you are offering your time AND your body, it is only proper and professional to tell the client when your monthly appears and give him the respect of choosing what he wants to do. When you do not disclose this information, you are essentially taking away that person's choice and in this manner, their informed consent to sexual services. That is not a risk I am willing to take with someone for the sake of a few bucks. I do wish the OP would have kept in his post the part about taking the money back. Taking that out of the original post seems a little shady in my opinion.

You basic understanding is accurate and this is a really good question. Thank you for asking. I believe playing during a period changes the risk factors negligibly when handled correctly. Periods can cycle anywhere from 14 to a 40 day cycle, lasting 1 to 14 days and the flow varies depending on the woman's hormone cycle. Some women cramp, some don't. For some, sex is intolerably painful during menses, for others it relieves cramps. Tampons, pads, keepers and cups can be used when not having sexual intercourse but sponges can used when playing. Simply put, the sponges act like tampons without interfering with penetration. If men would be more open minded to using a dental dam and play safely then this would be a moot conversation. For me the bottom line is the only responsible play utilizes barrier methods for all acts that have the potential for the exchange of bodily fluids. If a man balks at using a dental dam but insists on daty with a woman knowing that she is a fertile, healthy potentially menstruating woman, then he assumes the risk that she may in fact be menstruating, getting ready to menstruate so the actual act could bring it on or she could have just ceased bleeding and there may still be blood traces hiding in her uterus that could be released during the function of lubrication during a rendezvous. I think that heterosexual men need to understand the amazing biology of the female reproductive cycle so for more information, those with more questions can further research it online... cat

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