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Outing is not an answer or should it even be considered an option. The problem is the damage done to the already tarnished image of our industry. I fight tooth and nail to prove to every guest that I am an ethical professional; the blow back will touch every provider where it hurts the most, in the wallet. The PC's will not back down and we will continue to fight. We already carry the reputation of being diseased, lying, stealing manipulators. Now lets add to the greatest fear clients have besides STD/STI's; being outed. Every SP will spend countless hours explaining that she can be trusted with a clients personal information simply to try and maintain her safety. For what? So a couple of men can walk around embarrassed for a month or two then try to rebuild their lives? We are a community, we should be protecting each other. The minute "they" make us enemies, we are screwed. Disclosing names will not fix the issue, it will simply destroy innocent lives of the families involved. No good will come of it except to make juicy newspaper porn for people who aren't even on the fringes of our struggles. The wives, children, parents and friends will bear the brunt of the disclosure. To me, the collateral damage is unacceptable when we know the bomb will not take out the target. There would be no end to justify the means... cat

No one should ever be outed ! What happens to the trust and discretion? Bad idea on all fronts no matter the situation.

Sometimes maybe we don't mention it but what would you find more discreet? Parking in a driveway or visitor parking or parking down the street and walking up to a house/apartment? If you park in a designated area, it looks like you belong! It looks like you are visiting and if (and I mean IF) someone approached you (highly unlikely) you could say you are visiting a friend. In my opinion, you are more likely to stand out and risk such questions if you are acting suspicious, which odd parking habits illicit! Think!!!

I don't think ANYBODY should be outed based on their profession and occupation. As long as they treated the ladies appropriately and respectfully....and no abuse of any sort took place. The fact that they may be two faced lying bastard public figures.....does not constitute a reason to out them in my opinion and do irreparable damage to their family and friend. My way of thinking is we must always think of all of the other people that get hurt down the line when you take action. Now if those same public figures continue to visit ladies after the bill kicks in and get caught....then I would hope that they may get what's coming to them and everything the book has to throw at them. But that's just my take on it.

No outing the Cons is not justified even though they are CONS. I have met people in a position of power and/or affluence and would never dream of outing them. I've also come into contact with regular people who have a position of power in Ottawa within the careers that they hold and the same applies as well. Your secrets are safe with me! I would expect the same in return. Treat others as you would want to be treated. Outing someone would just set a precedent for other unsavory sex workers to use this as an excuse to blackmail their clients once these new laws come into effect. This is definitely not the way to go about it even though I can't stand Harper, Mackay et al. This industry has already been pushed underground enough. Condoning blackmail and threats, etc to expose someone isn't going to help anything. Exposing a Con or someone else on Parliament Hill may feel good in the moment but think about the consequences these actions will have in the long run. If a person is going to expose someone in the government, what is stopping a sex worker from threatening and/or blackmailing and/or expose a regular Joe Blow or John Doe later on feeling they have the right to do so because it was done to someone in the Conservative party or another party? Absolutely nothing! Once these new laws come into effect, I will have a booking process that will ensure safety and complete discretion for my clients. As they say, "Discretion is the better part of valor."

There is so much controversy surrounding this topic because, as a sex worker, your business is built on confidentiality and discretion. I look at the much bigger picture of C36 and that is the government trying to impose it's "moral center" on citizens of the country they are supposed to represent. Within this, they are trying to restrict the rights and liberties of those citizens. It may be sex workers today but who will it be tomorrow? I'm sure every person voting on this who has partaken of a sex worker has that little voice calling them a hypocrite. Whether they choose to listen or not depends on on their own moral fiber. If someone is willing to vote to take away one persons rights while secretly protecting their own..... I don't care what race, religion, sexual choices or distinctions, gender or any other "qualifier" you are, you are a person and deserve to be treated with respect and protected for your right to be who you are. Anyone looking to impose their crap on others while doing what they want, deserves what they get. Live and let live.

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This was originally posted by Susie on perb and I have reposted it here with her permission. Susan Davis, British Columbia Coalition of Experimental Communities Dear Susan, I am writing to many of the groups and persons who have stood with Valerie, Amy, me and our legal team against the prostitution laws that were struck down. These groups and persons have voiced their support in so many ways and their messages were heard across the country again and again. I thank all of you for that support. I have done so in person when able. The new law, Bill C-36 is of course an outrage. It will of course fail before the courts, fail in its implementation, and in the process its supporters will again be discredited. You and all the others have already been to helping to ensure that failure will happen. Recently I testified before the Senate and in the question period after opening statements I was ejected. This got a lot of attention. One of the things I said, which also got much attention, was that I would expose some clients of sex workers. Everyone thought I meant politicians who supported C-36. I have an advisory group working on the legalities and mechanics of that process. Part of that process, if in fact I do follow though, is determining what sex workers think about exposing some clients, and I am writing to ask you to tell me what you think. Please ask your colleagues to tell me as well by sending me an e-mail at the address below. One reason for exposing some clients is to show how unfair the law is when sex workers can report clients to the police and only the client is charged. This means, it would seem, that blackmail and entrapment have largely been legalized. This would probably add fuel to constitutional challenges. Professor Young also pointed out at the Senate that immunity from prosecution has until now only been given by prosecutors, not in legislation, as C-36 does. So exposing clients would show how irrational the law is, as well as illegal itself. exposing would probably also add this fuel as well to constitutional challenges. Another obvious reason for exposing is to show the hypocrisy of those who want to impose their will on others while themselves engaging in the very behaviour they want to others to stop. Yet another reason is to ensure the public remains aware of this issue and of the dangers and are unfair hardships the government's approach would create for those in the sex trade. Nothing attracts media attention as much as politics combined with scandals of this kind. I could mention other reasons, but enough for now. However, concerns come to mind too. Does exposing set a bad precedent for the sex trade overall, even if the law is not implemented to any extent or frozen in the courts right away? What other negative repercussions there be for sex workers if I did release part or all of my list? What would the consequences be if I just released one or two or a few names? What should be the criteria for names chosen for release? Would you and your members and colleagues prefer me to back off exposing clients altogether, and if so why? I seek your help in answering these questions. Please share this with all you wish to share it with. I will read all e-mails sent to me and take all advice very seriously when I decide what to do. I appreciate that feedback every bit as much as the support shown over these years which, I say yet again, I am sincerely grateful for. Yours truly, Terri-Jean Bedford Email your replies to [email protected] .

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I'm trying, I really am, and then I read this. This discussion has two very opposite views with logic and wisdom on both sides.

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Curiously I'm wondering how far throughout the city you'll travel to see your SP.. 5kms,10kms Dartmouth etc.. I ask this because I'm thinking of renting a cozy place for in calls central Halifax, and would love your thoughts and opinions on location.. Naturally I want to be downtown, or south end but is that actually what clients want when they know there seeing a local verse a travelling lady who almost always is downtown hotel area.

With all the negativity happening all around us, I thought a thread to focus on the good and positive might be a good thing. So share those things that make you smile or that you are grateful for. These are not highlights but rather more simple things that perhaps you overlook but add to your day. When someone thinks of you and says hello The smell of fresh brewed coffee The funny things that children say as they figure out the world around them The ability to play music anytime, anywhere for any mood The first touch of sun on your skin after being indoors An unexpected picture posted online that makes you laugh, better if a snort! Homemade brown bread

I am curious if the new bill could be tested via a class action lawsuit. as it seems to deliberately put Industry workers in harms way. I would be interested in professional views on this. Stay Safe all.

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No, discretion is not optional. This issue just has people passionate and frustrated looking at something that is out of their control and yes, impacts their business, but impacts safety more No reputable provider would ever disclose information about anyone and hopefully won't be put in the position of LE trying to force the issue. Any politician taking part in the business if this bill passes to law will be condemning themselves as it will then be illegal and you can bet for awhile, they will be scrutinized. No, outing people will not help or be beneficial and will do nothing but makes things more difficult for everyone. TJB will see this in the end I'm sure.

You are either trustworthy or not trustworthy. There's no such thing as "sort of" trustworthy. Same with discretion. It is disturbing so many guys are ready to throw someone they don't like under the bus. This whole enterprise is based on trust and discretion on both sides.

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I totally agree with you. If you look suspicious people will definitely question you or your actions and possibly do their good deed as the neighbourhood watch and report it. If you look like you belong there is no need to question.

I realize what you said about bill C36. My reference was to how ladies have been treated prior to the Demon. Possibly going back years who knows. I hear ya on bill C36 and all of your comments for that matter.....no worries Waterat. One of the biggest things that I wanted to put forward as well in my post .....I forgot to fucking type. But our very own wonderful Meg took care of that for us Pronto !!! "Discretion !!!" I am not a debater and won't comment again. Just put my 2 cents out there. We all have our take on things. I totally respect that !!!! Just sayin that one single person's decision to go Awoll on discretion can hurt many many innocent unsuspecting peeps. Over AND out good buddy,

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I'm torn on this I must confess. One aspect of the SP/Client relationship is that the SP is discrete...that is in part why she is a professional. And I believe in the adage about not lowering yourself to someone else's level and outing a politician who sees companions when at the same time he would vote for C36 does lower oneself to his level. But I also believe what goes around comes around, and maybe those politicians need to see the personal consequence of their decision. And after all, if C36 has the undertones of treating all clients as pervs, johns and criminals, shouldn't Canadians citizens know that it was pervs, johns and future criminals (maybe) that passed the legislation. But at the same time those supporting C36 are counting on the very professionalism of the ladies they bash and malign so they won't be outed. Should those politicians who show no ethics and integrity be rewarded by ladies who do have ethics and integrity? But no matter what one's opinion, if Harper and MacKay saw SP's, don't they deserve to be outed, just because it's Harper and MacKay. If a companion could out them, well you go girl. Seriously, I don't have an answer, I can see both sides of the argument. And I'm sure the CPC, well all parties have members who have seen professional companions. And maybe hypocrisy needs exposure, I don't know. But at the expense of a lady not showing discretion, again I don't know. Discretion equals trust, and all clients may feel if a SP was indiscrete with one client albeit a politician, she may be indiscrete with all her clients...is that damage to her reputation worth it, only she knows the answer to that. So as you can see I'm offering a very confused rambling here. But short answer, and my opinion only, be discrete, don't out a politician....well unless it's MacKay and Harper LOL Going for a Tylenol now RG

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Any new's on why chat is down and when it is going to be fixed? I think that several of us are going thru withdraw now :)

Although in some ways it would feel satisfying to see politicians exposed as employers of the very service they're trying so noisily to outlaw, I don't think anything useful can come of it. First: few people would be surprised to learn that politicians are hypocrites. You might take down a few -- hey, maybe many -- but this wouldn't cause a lasting change. Those individuals would just be replaced by others from the same team who were safe from such a charge. Second: it's not unconstitutional or illogical that one of the parties involved in a crime might be safe from charges if the crime was reported. One of the cornerstones of this ridiculous law is the idea that all SPs are vulnerable and exploited, and need special protection from the consequences of their own industry; in effect, children. So no surprise that, just like a minor, an SP could report illegal sexual activity under this law without fear of being charged. There's precedent for asymmetrical risk under the law for two participants in the same act. Third: let's not kid ourselves about the job politicians do and its relationship to their real selves and personal lives. A politician is an actor on a public stage, playing a role dictated by his or her party's script. The script is written in whatever way is most likely to secure votes from the party's base in future elections, and gain/retain office and power. Does the script sometimes match the politician's personal views? Sure, but it's little more than coincidence when it does. Politics is scripted theatre, most people know it's theatre, and I actually don't have a particularly big problem with politicians being human beings who have lives and views that contradict what they do during their workday. They wouldn't be the only ones. Most importantly: this law is ridiculous just on its own legal 'merits', and it can be attacked and defeated that way -- in court if (likely) necessary. There's no reason to make this personal with the individuals who are just reading their lines. Even if that worked for a bit it would fail in the longer term as their replacements picked up the same banner and carried it forward. Defeat the law itself -- based on its own stupid message and all the shallow thinking behind it. Don't target the messengers however hypocritical they are -- it's needless, unproductive, and just looks angry and spiteful. I've e-mailed this response to the address provided.

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After reading some of your remarks I would like to make a comment not sure if this the proper place hopefully it is OK, I figure this has being stated before and is definitely worth stating again as a hobbiest that tries very hard to make sure I go to your website, read everything to make sure I am doing everything correctly before and after contacting you we do appreciate the garbage and I mean garbage you have to deal with, anyone I had the privilege to visit here on Cerb has being nothing but awesome awesome, Thank you:)

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Not sure of any traits other than age that you may be looking for but dd_Emma may be in the ball park. If you like there is also funvalerie, summer, mature_jen or highsexdrivebabe.

Distance isn't the issue is right, seeing a special lady is :-) Budget is my constraint :-( Flying, well I haven't done that in this lifestyle, but I can appreciate what touring ladies go through on a very regular basis to see us. Their efforts flying across Canada should be appreciated. It is a special extra effort they take to provide us gentlemen with a memorable escape. Anyhow, a rambling RG

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Don't know if my answer helps, but I live in smalltown Ontario. Closest city is Trenton to the east (Trenton west of Belleville) With that said, my travels have taken me to Toronto, Hamilton, London, Niagara Falls, Kingston, and Ottawa. If she's a favourite lady, well now you have an idea of how far I'll go. Going 5-10km, that's like the lady being my next door neighbour. RG Just to put in context Toronto 157km London 335km Hamilton 224km Kingston 117km (that's like local for me LOL) Niagara Falls 284km Ottawa 304km That's also why encounters for me are not spur of the moment but planned due to the travel involved, hotels etc

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And to add to what fortunateone has said, buzzer entry buildings often have security cams in the lobby that you can view on your TV to get an idea of the client before you buzz him in.

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Great post. For me: - Welcome hug and kiss (especially on return visits) - slowly undressing each other while making out - showers or bubble bath together - lots of foreplay, kissing, caressing etc - no need to rush - whispering naughty things in each others ears - sharing a drink (wine or drink of choice) and maybe a small snack (cheese and crackers, etc) - lots of eye contact - snuggling and chatting afterwards to me it is more about the person, the intimacy, and connection. Hot sex is great too of course! Oh, and having a few laughs!