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With all due respect, Mrrnice2, how do you know these "tactics" have not been used in the past or are not currently being used without bill C-36 even being law yet? Sex workers have always been put in a very delicate situation because of the existing laws (including prior to the Bedford decision) and bill C-36 (amended or not), when it actually becomes law, will still have potential nefarious consequences for us, no matter what. And the government will be one step closer to its intended goal by having others making decisions for the ladies involved, thinking and rationalizing for them and taking away their own personal choice(s)!

There is a lot of speculation and fear mongering going on about c36, and honestly, I think a lot of people are putting far too much energy into worrying about it now. We don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if the bill will pass, and if it does, how they are going to enforce it. Incalls have been illegal all this time, and people have not worried about it nearly as much as the fear I'm noticing now. Discretion goes two ways, folks. I, like many other companions, do not wish to draw attention to myself that might end badly. And, if this bill passes, I will be taking measures to protect my privacy, which may include more in-depth screening so that I can assure my current guests of their privacy as well. Let's not needlessly panic and throw accusations at people. I don't agree with the threat of outing clients, as much as I can understand that it comes from a place of well-deserved anger at the hypocrisy of some lawmakers and politicians.

An outreach group has issued a "red alert" warning to sex-trade workers in the St. John's area after reports of recent sexual assaults, including gang rape and sodomy. Hotel door Sex-trade workers in the St. John's area are being warned about accepting jobs that may involve groups of men waiting in a hotel room. (Shutterstock) The warning was sent through the Safe Harbour Outreach Project's Twitter account, @sexworkoutreach, late Thursday afternoon. The project is a new program that supports women in the sex trade in St. John's and surrounding areas. "Sex workers are contacted, then they are transported to a hotel under the understanding that they will be meeting one man for work," the warning said. According to the outreach group, when a woman arrives at a hotel door, she is "forced into a hotel room where there are several men waiting. Some reports have stated 12 men, other reports have been as high as 20." The project said it is believed the men are associated with, or working for, a major construction project in the province. The CBC Investigates unit has done extensive work on the surge of sex workers travelling to, and working in, Newfoundland and Labrador. The increase is linked to the recent economic boom. One source familiar with the sex trade said this type of attack is a first for the province. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/gang-rape-warning-issued-for-st-john-s-sex-workers-1.2785970?cmp=rss

As Gabriella mentioned earlier in a post we finally live one of your fantasies and another one will pop up, this is what has happened to me, I finally had the very pleasant privilege of meeting Miss Gabriella Laurence and Miss Carley Chase two very beautiful women inside and out, my new fantasy is to have these two ladies in my presence as a threesome for an extended visit, having the privilege of having these two ladies in the same room would definitely make some awesome Magicial moments.

Today I had the opportunity to confront myself. I went to a local bakery on Elgin St. and purchased something for $2.95. Not a large amount, however, I believed I gave the owner a 20$ bill. Once back in my apartment, I'd realized that I gave him a ten. I went back to this gentlemans bakery and proceeded to explain what had happened. I apologized for MY MISTAKE, as I really thought I gave a $20. I gave the gentlemen his correct change, I actually thought about not going, as I was tired, feeling lazy etc., when I realized, hey, you'd not appreciate this in a reverse scenario. Hands down decision. Happy ending: the gentleman was happy for me wrestling with my conscious. It was a great, up lifting moment. Sometimes it pays not to be lazy, when you see the happy, enlightened face of honesty.

Even if the Bill DOES pass, there is still the chance that it STILL might be struck down by the Supreme court, just like it's predecessor. Just a thought. And yes I am also of the opinion that discretion must remain absolute, unless it involves a danger to life or safety.

Something else to consider. The donation the client gives to the companion is not just for time and services, it is also for confidentiality and discretion. If a companion breeches confidentiality and discretion by outing a client of hers, shouldn't she return at least a part of the donation the client paid. She violated the client's trust by breeching confidentiality and discretion. Something that the client expected in addition to time and services when he paid the lady her donation. Just a off the cuff rambling off the top of my head, thrown in for what it's worth RG

And THAT sir is the crux of the matter. Certainly by Christmas every single sex worker will, under the law, BE a victim of criminal behavior with expectation that they cooperate with police. Otherwise they can be threatened with criminal prosecution (Look up the Canadian legal definition of conspiracy for which they are not exempted in Bill 36) or outed in public or referred to social services as unfit mothers, or referred to an evangelical group to be saved. Or, or or. If you believe that there no police officers that would ever do that then you have more faith than I. So I will not be a client, certainly in part due to personal fear of criminalization, but equally I will not place a woman in a position of being under the pressure of making the choice of confidentiality over HER own personal well being. The purely hypothetical issue that a few face now of naming politicians is nothing at all as compared to the issue that some of them will be facing on a personal level in the near future. Where will taking the moral high road be then? I would not blame them now for naming nor would I blame them in the future when they are threatened.

You may not be a debater but you are a master-debater ;) Sorry had to bring some humour to this thread. I don't agree with outing anyone. Ever. The way the abolitionists are treating Terri Jean right now (check out the twitter @PassBillC36) is horrid. They are saying that is how the sex workers who testified are treating the "victims" who testified. But at the same time they are saying they agree with her and that the "johns" should be outed. They really don't understand the harms in outing either a sex worker or a john which is clear with their support of Bill C-36. These are people's lives they are messing with. Now where is my wine! lol

I hope all of you had a great time, good food, great drinks, companionship and lots of trades going on!! Just wish I was the table cloth !

You are either trustworthy or not trustworthy. There's no such thing as "sort of" trustworthy. Same with discretion. It is disturbing so many guys are ready to throw someone they don't like under the bus. This whole enterprise is based on trust and discretion on both sides.

Outing is not an answer or should it even be considered an option. The problem is the damage done to the already tarnished image of our industry. I fight tooth and nail to prove to every guest that I am an ethical professional; the blow back will touch every provider where it hurts the most, in the wallet. The PC's will not back down and we will continue to fight. We already carry the reputation of being diseased, lying, stealing manipulators. Now lets add to the greatest fear clients have besides STD/STI's; being outed. Every SP will spend countless hours explaining that she can be trusted with a clients personal information simply to try and maintain her safety. For what? So a couple of men can walk around embarrassed for a month or two then try to rebuild their lives? We are a community, we should be protecting each other. The minute "they" make us enemies, we are screwed. Disclosing names will not fix the issue, it will simply destroy innocent lives of the families involved. No good will come of it except to make juicy newspaper porn for people who aren't even on the fringes of our struggles. The wives, children, parents and friends will bear the brunt of the disclosure. To me, the collateral damage is unacceptable when we know the bomb will not take out the target. There would be no end to justify the means... cat

I realize what you said about bill C36. My reference was to how ladies have been treated prior to the Demon. Possibly going back years who knows. I hear ya on bill C36 and all of your comments for that matter.....no worries Waterat. One of the biggest things that I wanted to put forward as well in my post .....I forgot to fucking type. But our very own wonderful Meg took care of that for us Pronto !!! "Discretion !!!" I am not a debater and won't comment again. Just put my 2 cents out there. We all have our take on things. I totally respect that !!!! Just sayin that one single person's decision to go Awoll on discretion can hurt many many innocent unsuspecting peeps. Over AND out good buddy,

I don't think ANYBODY should be outed based on their profession and occupation. As long as they treated the ladies appropriately and respectfully....and no abuse of any sort took place. The fact that they may be two faced lying bastard public figures.....does not constitute a reason to out them in my opinion and do irreparable damage to their family and friend. My way of thinking is we must always think of all of the other people that get hurt down the line when you take action. Now if those same public figures continue to visit ladies after the bill kicks in and get caught....then I would hope that they may get what's coming to them and everything the book has to throw at them. But that's just my take on it.

Once in a while you come to realize that so many of our members really don't "get" the whole hobby experience, or rather, they understand that there are rules but believe they are somehow exempt. So let's help them. Let's give some handy tips to make this a more wonderful experience for all. This is a pleasant place so let's keep it constructive... and be aware that the rules shouldn't just be for clients, you can also add some helpful tips that may help a new provider too! Here goes: 1. Appointment time is at 2:00 pm, what time do I arrive? Ummmmm. Hmmmmm. What part of 2:00 pm is ambiguous? A 2 o'clock appointment means you are at her door at 2. Not 1:55, not 2:10. It's seems petty but when you screw up her schedule, you may be screwing up MY schedule. I may be the appointment at 3. I have things to do... and my schedule may not be as loosey goosey as yours. I may be using a very small window of time or I may have "commitments" that see me arriving like clockwork elsewhere. Regardless, when the little hand is at 2 and the big hand is at 12, be where you are supposed to be. 2. "I am awesomely wicked good in bed, and I often masturbate to pictures of myself nude, because I am that good looking. Can we negotiate a better rate?" In a word, No. Would you go to a restaurant and say, "I am a really good eater, can I get a better price on that steak?" Would you go to a lawyer and say, "I am an awesome criminal, can you represent me for free?" Would you go to the dentist and say, "My teeth are so bad that you should fix them all for $50!" A service provider gets paid at a set rate because she is a professional. She is good... no, not just good... wickedly awesome good, at what she does. Your part is the compensation, her part is the wicked awesome part. Pay the pretty lady and be happy. 3. Cleanliness is next to godliness. Ever step into an elevator and stand next to someone who smells like they have never met a bar of soap they liked? Ever met someone that looked like they were an extra in the Walking Dead? Have you ever gone into a bathroom after someone and wondered if they ate something dead? Step one. Go to the potty. Do your business. Wipe. Wipe again. Wipe again. and then, wipe again. Do the optical test. Last wipe. Is there any residue? If yes, start over. If no, then proceed to step two. Step Two. Shower. Clean EVERYWHERE. Rinse. Repeat. Did you pay attention to anywhere in particular??? Hmmm??? Go back to those places. Make em sparkle. (at this point I do suggest that artificial glitter is NOT necessary.) Get out of the shower. Towel dry (for pete's sake use a clean towel!)... apply a generous amount of deodorant/anti-perspirant. Brush your teeth. (if additional grooming is required, please do that too.) Step three. Clothing. Go to the place where you keep your clean clothes. No. Not the place where you put the stuff that you THINK you can wear again. The CLEAN clothes. You know that stuff that you just took from the dryer and folded nicely?? That's the stuff. Wear that shit. Uh oh... what if I have to do step one again?? Then repeat ALL the steps. Cuz skidmarks are not sexy. Febreeze showers are not acceptable. 4. I have to cancel, what do I do? Give your head a smack. With a hammer. Stop. Now take a pointy thing and stick it with great force into your upper thigh, avoiding the artery. Now, go to your car. Start it. Open the door, put your foot beneath a tire and have someone put that car in reverse. Cancellations? NOT COOL. We all know that shit happens. A death in the family. A sick kid. Decapitation with farm machinery. Thermonuclear war. Explosion of your planet from a death star ray. That shit is acceptable.... but you still owe the pretty lady an explanation AND a cancellation fee. When you cancel, providers don't eat. When providers don't eat they get distended bellies and look like kids from the CARE commercials. When you cancel, providers give not only you, but also your city, a bad reputation. This makes you masturbate more. Because you will never get laid again. Ever. You will over develop muscles in only one arm. Your clothes will fit poorly. People will figure it out and suspect you are the notorious masturbating king of cancellations. They will hunt you down and kill your family. Let's keep little Bobby and Joanie safe. If you make an appointment, keep that appointment. Your family will love you for it. 5. "I'm a little short on cash. Do you think she will notice if the envelope is a bit short?" In a word, yes. She will also point out that your penis is a bit short.... and that your skill level is a bit short... and that you cry like a bitch when you have your pathetic little man-gasm. Do you want that??? Do YOU WANT THAT, bitch??? Wow. That was a bit over-emphatic. Gonna step away from the computer and take a valium. BACK!!!! Where were we... yes. Shorting your provider. Not COOL. Remember, providers have special powers. They communicate telepathically. As soon as you walk out that door, she will know and so will all of her allies in the super friends. They will combine their superpowers and make sure that you never get wood again.... and if you do, it will be at inappropriate times... like at funerals or family gatherings or when talking to your grandfather or something like that. Seriously?? Give your head a shake. If you are short then GET the money and make sure you have it set aside BEFORE you book. You will have a wickedly awesome good time... just pay the pretty lady what you agreed to and enjoy! 6. Can I pay her in drugs? Hmmmm. Does your banker take drugs in lieu of money? Have you offered Rogers drugs in return for their cable/home phone/cell phone/internet bundle? When you get groceries at Loblaws, do they have a special drawer that says "financial equivalent in drugs?" You know the answer. "No, you addled-pated simpleton." Remember the distended belly part from above? Providers take cash because cash buys groceries, pays bills and looks pretty. Carrying cash will not get you arrested. Using cash is the engine that runs our capitalist society. "All you need is cash, cash is all you need." The Beatles sang that, I think. Your turn....

just catching up on season 4, anyone other than me like this series??

I saw this Quebecoise SP last night for two hours. She really left a lasting impression. Great kisser (DFK), BBBJ is awesome! Loves to talk dirty (French and English), and loves multiple positions. Love the accent! Man made breasts but very nice..... couldn't feel the scars even. Definite repeat and highly recommend! She leaves for Brandon tomorrow.

The smell and taste of banana bread. A genuine smile, giggle or laugh. Just one kiss...that kiss! Her scent.

I agree that moving this to the SP only section would be a good idea but I have no idea how to do this.

The services-therapeutic section on CL is intended for massage therapists and other natural healing services. This is why ads with words like "escort" or "happy ending" or "full service" are blocked. Since it's a free site and not moderated, you can't really expect to be able to complain because we are not paying for it and not really intended for sex ads. I would not be comfortable sharing my "work-arounds" for CL on a public board. I think this thread should be moved to the SP only section if you expect other posters to share.

I don't know how I missed this thread. I've been lucky enough to have lived most of my fantasies to date. However there are always new fantasies to replace those realized. Lately I've been toying with this scenario. A ten day winter vacation to Hedonism II in Negril, Jamaica with a special service provider, one who is submissive in private and is eager to please. We would swim and sun during the day, flirt with other couples and have amazing mind blowing sex for ten days. All while enjoying everything Jamaica has to offer. My fantasy also involves swinging and having me direct my companion to service any willing man or woman we meet at the resort. This way I get to enjoy my dominant personality, my favourite pastimes and my favourite special lady.

It will be years before it goes before the Supreme Court. Two or three at least. C36 will be the law for some time, probably a few years, whether we all like it or not. Only possible way out is if a new Parliament rewrites it. But there are a lot of other things besides our hobby that the Government of the day needs to pay attention to. So don't count on that happening anytime soon either.

She can make a NEW account with a NEW email (Not hotmail/live/outlook and sometimes yahoo as well) gmail seams to work still. and then PM me with a link to the old account profile or post made from that account and I can merge the old account into the new.

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Sex workers have operated in a world of serious legal ramifications for an eternity. To some how suggest that the world is about to end and that the wonderful ladies who we have trusted for years (and who have trusted us) will now be more likely to break our confidentiality just does not fly for me. The bottom line on this issue is an unjust law is about to be imposed and some of the individuals who are taking public positions in favour of this law have in the past participated in the same industry that they are demonizing and this has caused some to want to public call them out on the difference between what they say and what they do. I am not sure I agree that this is a great idea or that it will have any impact on the issue but I understand their frustration. Just my opinion

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I thought anyone could flag an ad!!...Mine was flagged twice in Calgary and I never used the word escort...or anything to let beleive... I just let go after the second time...

I don't know how many times I've expressed this to clients. 90% follow my protocol but to the ones who don't or haven't. ... Do they realize what a heat score they are being when they park far away? You are not doing a favor to yourself by trying to be secret agent. You are not secret agent by doing this! In fact when you think you're being so discrete, you're not! There are eyes everywhere. Act like you belong. Do they think neighbors won't notice them parking far away and wondering why they just don't park in the laneway?To them it looks like you don't belong there and this will raise red flags. Then some have the nerve to complain that they are worried about neighbors being outside as they have to walk past them. What do they think would of have happened when they leave. When instead they could have just jumped in their car and drove away. If you worry about an SP seeing your car or license plate and worry they are going to blackmail you, you should be even more worried if a neighbor thought you were suspicious by parking far away and they do take note of the license plate. Think about it. I offer discretion to my clients. I don't care what your real name is, etc. etc. I don't care about what kind of car your drive. I'm not interested.. All I care about is you show up and are discrete. This is becoming a problem a lot of the time and the number one thing about this job that truly upsets me. Do as the SP instructs because she knows her surroundings better than you do in order to keep your level of discretion and safety.I know exactly what goes on in my neighborhood. The client doesn't so please show good judgement call and think about the SP and what she has to deal with. The next client that does it to me, I won't answer the door. There will be no appointment. If they can't extend the courtesy to be discrete in my surroundings then I don't want them at my place. End of story. And did I say I CAN'T STAND secret agents? LOL. Thanks for the thread Meg!

No outing the Cons is not justified even though they are CONS. I have met people in a position of power and/or affluence and would never dream of outing them. I've also come into contact with regular people who have a position of power in Ottawa within the careers that they hold and the same applies as well. Your secrets are safe with me! I would expect the same in return. Treat others as you would want to be treated. Outing someone would just set a precedent for other unsavory sex workers to use this as an excuse to blackmail their clients once these new laws come into effect. This is definitely not the way to go about it even though I can't stand Harper, Mackay et al. This industry has already been pushed underground enough. Condoning blackmail and threats, etc to expose someone isn't going to help anything. Exposing a Con or someone else on Parliament Hill may feel good in the moment but think about the consequences these actions will have in the long run. If a person is going to expose someone in the government, what is stopping a sex worker from threatening and/or blackmailing and/or expose a regular Joe Blow or John Doe later on feeling they have the right to do so because it was done to someone in the Conservative party or another party? Absolutely nothing! Once these new laws come into effect, I will have a booking process that will ensure safety and complete discretion for my clients. As they say, "Discretion is the better part of valor."

can't go wrong with any of those ladies all especially Katherine and Midnight massage are the best sensual experiences ive encountered anywhere in Canada

Welcome to CERB. There are a number of us that provide sensual massage service, it also depends on how you define sensual massage. Myself, Katherine, Lilly, Mareana (when she's visiting, I know for sure. As in anything else, find someone who attracts you and then delve into them to see if they provide what you need. Good Luck!

There is so much controversy surrounding this topic because, as a sex worker, your business is built on confidentiality and discretion. I look at the much bigger picture of C36 and that is the government trying to impose it's "moral center" on citizens of the country they are supposed to represent. Within this, they are trying to restrict the rights and liberties of those citizens. It may be sex workers today but who will it be tomorrow? I'm sure every person voting on this who has partaken of a sex worker has that little voice calling them a hypocrite. Whether they choose to listen or not depends on on their own moral fiber. If someone is willing to vote to take away one persons rights while secretly protecting their own..... I don't care what race, religion, sexual choices or distinctions, gender or any other "qualifier" you are, you are a person and deserve to be treated with respect and protected for your right to be who you are. Anyone looking to impose their crap on others while doing what they want, deserves what they get. Live and let live.

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Has anyone seen Danielle? She looks pretty good http://winnipeg.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/mature-lady-always-ready-to-please-special-rates-offered-today-38/2167489 Thanks

Considering she stated that there's a police investigation, I'm going to assume there is information on him. That's not something that is going to be posted publicly on a forum, though.

It is wonderful to see all this appreciation for us older (and bolder) mature ladies. You are all making my day!!!

For one she can't even spell it right..shes Filipino and can't even write properly.. Its Filipina.... Amazed she didnt say shes from the Filipines.... Additional Comments: Clicked on the other link... Shes native..

I'll see you lovely ladies there. I want to see some sexy lingerie ;)

When I grow up, I want to be a philanthropist and no longer an eligible bachelor.

I'm not sure I'd say it's a direct side-effect, but perhaps can serve as an eye-opener. What I mean is that while there are plenty of people who are naturally and happily monogamous by nature, there are also those who are more inclined and suited to a non-monogamous (or monogam-ish) lifestyle. I'd say it's similar to how different people have different sexual orientations. It might be that seeing escorts is what has made you realize monogamy may not be for you (as opposed to it being the cause of it). I'd argue a non-monogomous person can still have a meaningful and deeply loving relationship. It's just that more challenging because for the most part people and society are not approving of non-monogamous lifestyles. The truly unfortunate thing, I think, is that too often people only find out monogamy isn't for them when it's too late.

Face planting in my sexy pink shoes after walking forever trying to find the social - the bruise on my ankle is not pretty :(

NEVER ! my mother grew up on Gordon's reservation in Saskatchewan , when you see me , you may never know that I have native blood but , I am damn proud I do ! you gotta be proud of who you are , you can not change it , so run with it . words can have all the power or none what so ever depending how much value you/I/we give the person using them . now back to your original comment , thank you , you gave me a good chuckle .

Assuming different options are available with GFE or PSE will only make you mad when you find out these are not available from some ladies. GFE and PSE are "STYLES of SERVICE" and not actual services!! You CAN NOT assume PSE or GFE include any specific services. STYLES.... Mechanical Style: This means no chemistry and just what it is (Sex) no illusion of lust or passion. GFE: Girl friend experience (Does not include specific services) this is a style of date where chemistry is tried to be created, feelings of lust and passion. Usually includes kissing and a more intimate fantasy. The lady appears (and often is) genuinely interested in pleasing you and often enjoys being pleasured as well. PSE: Porn star experience (Does not include specific services) this is also a style of date. It is not a romantic/passion/chemistry type encounter it is like what you see in the porn movies (A little dirty and hardcore) SAFE PSE/GFE: means condoms are used for oral sex (and possibly DATY protection is used) - Some girlfriends and porn stars insist on condoms for everything too guys! CONDOMS are used IN ALL STYLES (Some people assume condoms are not used with these styles as often real girl friends and porn stars do not use condoms). DO NOT ASSUME THIS AS YOU WOULD BE VERY WRONG - IT IS UNSAFE TO HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX! You guys who assume services are included in these styles are setting yourself up to be let down. Just because one lady offers specific services (and possibly markets it as GFE/PSE does not mean the next lady will offer the same services. They are usually similar as a really good GFE would include kissing, bbbj and some touching and rubbing to build chemistry and fantasy. If you feel she is actually attracted to you and into the encounter she may be (or she may be VERY good at her job - just go with it!) Don't EXPECT any services - always ask or research first and if you show up with bad breath, rotten teeth, bad hygiene or dressed like a bum chances are you are going to be even more disappointed. In Addition: One of the ladies PM'd me to mention that one of the reasons ladies may not kiss is from being unshaven. A lot of stubble can do a girl some major damage. I would assume this to be true with DATY as well with some.