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This subject has been extensively discussed before, always heated, apparently with no right answer http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=181140&highlight=blacks http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=151618 Some things to keep in mind 1. A lady has the absolute right to choose who she is intimate with, irrespective of a clients race, creed, colour, religion, age, body size, hair/lack of it etc etc etc 2. Forcing a SP to be sexually intimate with a man she does not wish to be with is akin to a sexual assault. Doesn't no mean no...even if the reason is skin colour 3. Often ladies may have a BF/SO (some who may not know their GF/SO is an SP) who is for lack of a better phrase, part of a small ethnic group in her city, and seeing someone of the same ethnic group as a client could publically expose her to that small community where her profession as an SP could be discovered. Racism may not be the reason, it may be because of discretion and anonymity. 4. Yes maybe racism too. Not saying it doesn't happen. But that said what man would really want to see a woman who doesn't want to see him. There are many beautiful women out there that aren't racist and would love to spend time with a respectful gentleman of any ethnicity. That's just off the top of my head. I'll guarantee this thread will end up heated. I'm already feeling uncomfortable posting RG

It is government logic. Premise A: Govt plans to shut down all prostitution by eliminating all advertising (because they know that no ads means no sex workers). Premise B: Govt knows it will get flak from voters if they have any legislation that criminalizes anything done by any sex worker, including any self advertising (which includes standing on street corner) Conclusion by govt: create a law that will make criminals out of all Canadian advertising venues (online and paper advertising) if they accept money from any sex worker to publish her ads Results: sex workers will have no place that can legally accept her paying them to publish to her legal ads, therefore all prostitution will come to a screeching halt because no client will be able to find a sex worker. Ever. Solution: sps now write ads that do not advertise their sexual services. Advertising sites and papers happily can take her $$ to publish her ads. Clients benefit because they will also not be contacting/solicitating the services of sex workers for advertised sexual services, they will be contacting an escort for time/companionship services, or a massage provider for massage services. Side benefit: Govt happy because they are the first country in the world to eradicate and stop all sex work!! And we can tell, because there are no sp ads anymore. And sp ads are used to determine the number of underage sps (because their photos 'look' underage) or trafficked sps (because they 'traveled" from Ottawa to Toronto, therefore must be trafficked). Thus, all abolitionist groups will be out of work, nothing to see, nothing to do, no one to rescue.

It's not racism. It's personal preference for WHATEVER reason. This topic has been discussed before on cerb, most notably: http://cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=181140&highlight=blacks I am in no way speaking for everyone, but I have met some SPs who are will not see black clients, tell me the reason for doing so is their past/present boyfriends or handlers were black men and they don't see clients of the same race they date. I knew an Sp who was of another ethnicity who would not see clients of that ethnic group because she did not want to run into anyone she might know from her community. Sps provide an intimate service and are when it comes to our bodies, it's our rules. And we shouldn't have to explain ourselves to anyone.

It's not racism, it's personal preference. I choose the ladies that I want to spend time with and certain skin colours do not get my attention because it does not turn me on. Does that make me a racist? I don't believe so, at least I hope not.

Yes, I agree with Alexxxis. You took the words out of my mouth.lol. I would rather be discrete in exchanging communication with the client as she mentioned to keep the client safe. After all, aside from services, clients are paying for discretion. That is what I have always given them and will continue to do so. Why would I put my clients in jeopardy for the sake of being able to discuss certain things? I will cover them because these are my clients and how I make my living. The customer comes first in this situation. Pun intended!

And, the last time I checked, the sps are not waiting tables at a restaurant, where their contact with people is limited to talking to them, and putting a plate of food down in front of them. There isn't going to be human rights committees started up in order to force sps to service everyone who contacts them, because that is procuring/coercion/trafficking and will remain against the laws. So complain about it in an ad, or as an sp's particular policy all you wish, it won't get you in the door to see her if she has chosen this path. I happen to think that assuming an sp is racist because she has any such policy is prejudging her without having the knowledge or understanding of why she has the policy.

Not gonna touch this one. I've said my piece in previous threads.

I've always hated those asking me "what they are going to get for their money". I am not the sum of bj+daty+intercourse=me/$. Sorry, but I'm a feminist at heart. I am much more then that. I'm taking the stance that my reputation speaks for itself. There are those that have met me, know I know how to rock their world. So, I will not discuss specifics anymore. What I do with one guy, might not work with the next. So, they can see me on my terms. If they need specifics, they need to move on. I'm willing to loose out, to see those that understand we as women are not the sum of our parts. Would a first time blind date on pof ask ahead what they are going to get at the end of the date? Of course not. He can hope, dream, but at the end of the day, ymmv. So i suggest your recos, stories, titles work better. Guys need to read between the lines. If they need to be spoon fed, they need to go back to preschool. Look at USA sites. How do they advertise. Take your cues from them. I am taking this opportunity to market myself the way I want. I no longer let clients make me put myself in a position of having to promise something I am not sure I want to provide. It's like the guy who wants daty, and shows up with a full blown beard that's stubble. It's not fun, and if I promised it ahead of time, how do I now say no? Guys that know me, know I'm a greedy slut to good daty, but if it's crappy, why would I want to continue? So, I've said it before. I'm not worried. I'm not the one who is in danger of being arrested. The guys are the ones that need to change how they choose. I'm going to continue rocking the world of those that seek me out. Just taking back my power in this dynamic.

After a two-week hiatus, again stopped by 340 on a Saturday afternoon (10/25). Arrived about 3:30 and found the club to be fairly active although the crowd thinned out by about 5:00-5:30. A number of the recent Saturday afternoon regulars were present - Sasha, Paris, Brandi, Juicy (?) and the always breathtaking Jenny as well as a couple of darker-haired ladies not familiar to me. In general, I've found the Saturday afternoons when I've been in recently (during October) have been somewhat busier than I remember these afternoons being in the past.

I find that men from certain countries, particularly new immigrants from those certain countries, were not raised in a culture in which women are equal or highly valued or treated delicately. Which makes the job tougher than it already is. Ladies' screening processes are none of anybody's business, whether those screening processes would be deemed 'racist' or not by the general public.

I have work in this industry close to a decade I have seen some ladies in south clearly state no black...it's really hard to describe each situation I don't discriminate I see all background however recently I start to ask ethnicity and age to have a better sense of who I deal with I have canceled in middle of the session someone that was way too aggressive with a large equipment to be call racist..As funny as it sound I have date several guys of his ethnicity Knowing sometime ethnicity help me to be prepare to understand some behaviors You know as shocking as it can be fir some it's a lady preference ..some ladies choose to not see overweight men under 25 men.. As much as it sound like racism some ladies have a problem service black,Indian,Arab I don't .. However I can recognize that some of different nationality not all have different smell behaviors etc I personally decide to judge on each different person individually I see obese handicap person but I do expect them to be forward as different issue can arise.. As for asking ethnicity or age it just help me to know a bit what to expect ..of course by generalizing Lisbeth i know it sad that some escorts refuse a client base on his color but it's her decision her body and probably her lost.. I have met ladies that won't see different ethnicity yet they have a partner of different ethnicity .. I personally only discriminate arrogant not nice guys lol

One thing that came to mind as I am reading this is because of SP's having to be more creative in their writing and not actually talking about services, I think we may see more bookings for longer sessions. I could be totally wrong but it seems that if we, as clients, have to find out after we arrive, we may not be able to do those walk in 15 min or fast15 or whatever that I see in some ads. Of course, there are guys who just want a quick bang out there and don't care about anything else so maybe things won't change much. Personally, I like to have more time and enjoy myself. Even 1/2 hr sessions are too short for my liking but that's just me. When all is said and done, I do go back to reading and comprehension, though. Guys need to slow down and read the ads/websites thoroughly and develop the skill of reading between the lines. Learning how to pick out the subtle nuances of clever writing will go a long way to avoiding confusion, imo. And saying they don't have time or can't because they are on their I-phone is a total cop-out. People need to stop being lazy and maybe that is one good thing that could come out of this.

I have done a lot of reading on this bill C-36, and find it completely contradictory and confusing in wording. I have websites that will have to be totally revamped, and that is not the problem. I believe Fortunateone put this all too well, we as providers, will be impossible to find if this goes through. Companionship, in this instance, will have to go back to the ways of almost secrecy and mystery. Yes we can have pictures on our sites, but the chosen wording will be basically 'if you like what you see, come and find out'. Which is unfortunate. We as sp's quite often have no idea of who we are dealing with when engaging in a 'first meeting' with a new client. We don't know what you look like, what you are looking for, or if we as the provider will even have a sexual attraction to you. Clients are going to have to become diligent in being patient with providers as to which services will be available to them. As far as I am concerned, there are a lot of services that I offer, and only a few that I do not, but for providers that offer only a limited 'selection' of services, there will be the aire of mystery for the clients. They may not get what they want when contacting a provider, until the client is actually with the provider and finds out what is available. It seems to me that freedom of the press is taking a turn for the worst in this case. I am not free to say what I want in advertising.

You may be thinking of a different site. I don't recall seeing a Cerb . cc

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Mostly it's because YOU (the hobbyist) will no longer be safe in buying "SEX" so if I don't * cough,cough * sell it, well... you see what I mean by now, I hope. Yes, I am still allowed to advertise my own "sexual services" but the catch 22 is that you are not allowed to purchase them. So, by selling you "TIME" not "SEX" you are safer.

Your advertising should reflect you and the more descriptive words the better. "Money is being exchanged for time or time and companionship". While I don't know what type of dates you offer, the following is a suggestion: Wild, adventurous and Intense could be used to describe a hot pse style date. Sensual, romantic, and gentle could be used for a gfe style date. Put the word safe anywhere in there and you have a safe gfe date. Basically a visually descriptive paragraph describing you and the time together, more is better in this case for what you write. It is about getting people to read between the lines, yet being clear so they get it. I suggest, start with the highlights about you and then get more visually descriptive as you start writing about the date you offer. Think about your best asset and go from there. Once you start writing it does get easier. I hope this helps. xoxo Emily

For the record, I myself have met Caucasian, Canadian-born men who also treat women this way. Stereotyping races is the exact definition of racism and surely has no place on the forum.

Well what should happen is with this diversion program, a bunch of ladies and gents should get together at the diversion program for a poly party LOL Oh wait, I'll bet no diversions like that for the guys is there? Does that mean the CPC encourages poly amorous lesbian encounters LOL RG

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Re: Getting creative... maybe a few short erotic stories clients can find on another site that is not associated with the SP. I enjoy writing and have a dirty imagination. lol.

Does anyone have any links to documentation where this camp thing is verified. Most sex workers and their organizations have chosen to take the high road in this fight, to use logic and reason. Let us now not drop to the anti C-36 level of manufacturing facts out of thin air. However, if that is real I would like to be able to see it.

I do not believe its racism, I do believe its preference, for whatever reason. I can certainly understand the ethnicity backgrounds and not wanting to run into someone 'accidentally' from ones own ethnic background in a small community of that ethnicity. It makes perfect sense to me. Providers that do not wish to see gentlemen from any particular ethnic group, no matter which group that may be, do most certainly have the right to choose. After all, gentlemen that seek our services as providers, are certainly free to not choose any one of us due to our ethnic background, or hair color, or physical appearance. If a provider is being rude about about it, then that is a discussion between the provider and gentleman, or actually, just don't communicate with that particular provider. Rudeness is not tolerated well in this business, in any form, from either provider nor client.

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Thanks for the responses all, that helped (and yes, you were all very gentle). Thanks RG and I think I see what you're saying, but from what I've read of the bill this doesn't seem to be quite the case. The purchase of sex will indeed become illegal, but the sale of it will not be, at least in the case of an independent lady advertising her own services. There's a specific exemption that says no one will be prosecuted for "an advertisement of their own sexual services." That's why I was confused about why ladies would have to change their websites. I do get the idea that ladies making changes to 'companionship only' and such do protect clients. Though I wouldn't think someone would have to be too concerned talking with known and reputable ladies any more in the future than someone would be now who arranges an incall which is technically illegal. But yes, I can see how it might make a gent more comfortable and protected to make contact knowing they aren't technically asking for anything illegal. And not being to advertise or even be a member on places like Cerb (I do remember reading that now that you remind me) certainly make a compelling case to make the change. Thanks again all for the helpful responses.

Honestly, I have no idea how common it is. There are a very few providers who put restrictions in their ads; there are a larger number who explicitly state that they don't discriminate based on race. As RG said, all providers have the same right as anyone else to reject anyone they don't want to get it on with, no matter how good or bad their reasons may be. But clients decide who to see or not see for all sorts of reasons, and there are probably quite a lot of us who find overt racism to be rather distasteful...

If you don't agree with those in power, you go to a re-education camp until you see the error of your ways. This is not a new idea, although I don't recall it happening in Canada before.

Hello Cerb..!! I would like to have your opinion about a subject that I would like to share with you for a long moment. I know that a similar thread has been do in another forum from another province but I thought it was important to make one for Ottawa. I have been solicited, Im sure Im not the only one, for ''only this service'' and not being offered the respect for my time or sessions. As well, the fact of underpricing, cutting price for these '' onlys''. There's a lot of users who asked me ''Whats your rate only for a BJ'' or ''I want one hour but not intercourse...'' Maybe Im wrong, but I dont see a difference between having intercourse or not in my session. So, what happen to our time?? Why ''just'' a BJ doesnt worth the same thing than intercourse ???? Probably some girls offering a '' BJ price '' and I respect that but some users have to respect girls who doesnt. I think that we are not offering ''just this'' or ''that service'' but a COMPLETE service even if you are SP or MA. Should we reduce our rates but start to ask extra for everything?? If you want to kiss here, its +x$... if you want to touch here its +x$... sounds ridiculous no? I think its the same thing for us when we are solicited like this. Maybe Im wrong, so that is why I asked for you opinion and I think we need to talk about it if we want to inform new users. Ps: Sorry For my english..... ;)

All of us Stiletto Girls were sitting here tonight having a couple drinks and passing sometime and were really curious what do you prefer Blonds, Brunettes, or Redheads.

She was and still may be linked with 24/7. I'd proceed with caution.

What it all boils down to is the providers comfort zone and preference.

Hey Lee. That should be in the Highlights thread! Two years for a laptop? You?? I'm friggin impressed!!!!! And I have not heard at all about phone disasters either for a very long time. I hope you have a contract to make a commercial for the truck now. Think the slogan, "Stands up better than any laptop!" I mean that's a winner!

Stopped by for lunch today. Pretty slim in customers, but the girls were slowly coming in. A lot of new faces including the regular ladies. Maya was there !

did a search on her pics, they appear not to be hers

It's most likely personal preference or some other personal reason. It's very hard to say, but I think RG pretty much laid out all the likely case scenarios. It is the woman's right to choose who she sleeps with and not my position to judge.

I'd like to reinforce the earlier comments. This isn't always an easy job, and has many inherent risks, so women have every right to chose who they offer such an intimate service.

Count me in on this one. Still sorry missed the last.

Hello everyone! It might be getting cooler outside over the next few days but mistert and I have been busy ensuring we get a hot social! Plans have finally all come together so keep and eye on this thread as many details will be posted over the next few days. First change we will have from previous social is that there will be 2 type of tickets. The regular ones as for previous social will cover typical evening expenses. We will also have VIP tickets which will cost an extra 15 dollars What is a VIP ticket? Transportation from downtown to the venue and back to dtown at the end of the evening in a 24 passenger limo! We have been offered the 24 passenger limo for a total of 350 dollars. Therefore if there is enough interest we will book it. Make sure if you are interested in the limo ride you tell us you want a VIP ticket! As with everything else it will be on a first come basis! Have a great day and don't forget to keep an eye on this thread for updates. Let the countdown to the social begin! Only 36 days left!!!

Its nothing like PayPal. Some of the main reasons it has achieved its success so far is due to lack of limitations of use and the anonymity of it. If it became accepted, I would use it in a heartbeat. No records and no dealing with hard cash.

One thing, it shouldn't be hard, or you'd think it wouldn't be hard, for existing ladies and gentlemen to adapt. Unless you've stuck your head in the sand, everyone here knows about C36 and it's ramifications to this lifestyle. But we should all be able to adapt, and enjoy this lifestyle as we have before It is the ladies and gentlemen who want to start in this lifestyle post-C36 that will need to learn. Ladies need to learn they offer time and companionship and gentlemen need to look for companionship. Terms like sex provider, prostitute, hooker etc can't be used. Terms like escort, companion are used. And absolutely no mention of sex for money This lifestyle exists in the United States where prostitution is for the most part illegal, it will still continue on...well unless the government plans to add saltpeter to food LOL A rambling RG

I find it interesting that there is so much confusion and fear that most people are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees, so to speak. As was said, so eloquently by Fortunateone, there never used to be menus and some sites still don't allow it. The biggest problem I see as I read posts and reviews and such is clients that have gotten lazy and complacent and frankly, some who are too worried about specifics. I don't understand how they can enjoy any encounter or this hobby, period. For me, it has never been about specific details but about two people enjoying the moment and going with the flow. It's not always perfect but then again what is. However, more often than not, it becomes a great sensual, sexual experience for both of us. Now maybe my maturity has something to do with it. Yes,I am paying out a good amount of my hard earned cash to be with a lady but that does not mean and never should mean that it is all about me. As for ads and websites, it really isn't that hard to read between the lines and understand what is coming. Guys need to quit looking at ads worrying about bbbj/ cbj and all the other acronyms. It's really not so much about the "what" as opposed to the ability of the SP to read signals and react to maximize the pleasure. Her skill is far more important than what she offers, Honestly, I hope that all you ladies continue to thrive in this industry and that the fellows out there take the time to understand and appreciate the great thing we have here in this hobby. If we all treat this as mutually beneficial without expecting too much, we will all continue to enjoy ourselves and the details will seem less important as we go along. We are all adults, after all.And like RG , I too, take the time to actually read your websites and posts and whatever else so I can be as good as a client as you are as a SP.

You can write anyone you want but the bottom line is once this passes both houses of parliament it will become the new law. The governor general will not do anything to hold it up. Just my Opinion

What! we missed Pistol Pete's bday? Happy belated-belated birthday, Pete. I hope you celebrated in style, and in good company. Best, toine

saw a very beautiful egyptian girl named Ivy on Monday. Stunning looks, new to playmate.

I'm definitely in as well. I normally work downtown so I think I'll be able to drive 2 or 3 people (will know my schedule better closer to the date)

I have seen both, Kim has much better personality, and in my view a hot, hot woman! But each of us is different, so you may like Aranda more. Why not do both and then you will know for sure which you prefer. Both are worth the money!

I love the chat room. My goal is to meet as many members as possible and get to know what makes them tic! You will never see me solicit, you will never see me harass, you will never see me go outside the boundaries. I have no problem answering questions about myself, my services etc... but... I expect in return.... Do not ask me to show my face nor any nudity on cam and if my cam is not on, it's for a reason. Do not request a private chat in order to get online sex talk. Do not try to negotiate with me based on what you believe to be a lesser service. Do not ask me for more pics...I do have albums, don't be so lazy. Sorry if anyone feels that I have disrespected them. In the open chat we all have a fab time but there are limits. I love private chat until it becomes apparent that someone is just using me for jerk off material. Please keep chat the fun place that it is! Today at lunch time it was an absolute blast!!!!