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I usually try to stay away from these threads for the reasons that they become hostile, judgemental and each city stats are quite different. I think because of certain stigmas, it's not wise for me to respond but I deserve to have a voice in this being an ebony/native companion. I do receive enough hate mail and prank calls due to my race daily, weekly or whenever an actual racist chooses to harass me, so I am always hesitant to even read these threads and respond. When I see ads on other sites the first thing that comes to my mind is, when will I see a new thread appear. In Halifax, I can understand a local lady putting such a disclaimer up but that is hopefully her choice and Halifax/Nova Scotia is not that big, someone knows a friend of a friend or cousin or family member. I never see these types of disclaimers as racist, unless you can read minds you will never know 100% why a lady has put this in their ad. The lady is entitled to see whomever she chooses. I pick and choose who I meet and not just because I was contacted, I have the final say. Now on the other hand, I have been told that some clients enjoy seeing such disclaimers due to their "so called preferences" and know said companion does not see a certain race. Many providers can tell by posting history, there is more to it besides a clients "preference". As we can read between lines and have been for a long time. I have no race or major preference besides being 19+, be respectful, kind and everything a companion seeks in a great client(s). I put my real age in my ads/website for my own client preference and that has nothing to do with race, I want to know who is contacting me is seeking a youthful, mature companion in her early 30's. I have been ID'd on a number of occasions. I don't have a personal race preference in my personal life but have dated more white, native, bi-racial (black & white) and a mix of all three. Do I think black/brown men are any less attractive or less greater partners than white men? NO. No matter the race, when we get cut we all bleed the same colour. I just haven't met a black/brown man who is not from Halifax and either a family member or knows my family and the list goes on. Honestly, I'm loving being single after being with and then married to a white man for half my life. I can state that I have never met a client who was brown/black ask for BBFS, negotiate or try/attempt to put me in harms way. I can not say this to be the case for anyone I have not met. That is my contribution to this dead beaten horse thread #3 on the same topic. I try my best not to put myself in such threads with such negativity and judgement. I'm far from new to the industry and have years of experience and I certainly did not respond to argue or be drawn in to any of this negative, judgmental drama. The bottom line is, the lady is entitle to pick and chose who she meets and doesn't. It's her body and her rules. All my love and support to all, Lexy

Indeed! If people minded their own business a little more often, and not focus so much on what others are doing, when it's no concern of theirs to begin with, life would be a little bit more enjoyable for everyone!

This line of thinking by definition is pure racism.

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My own personal top 10 "worst dates" list consists of only caucasian clients. Will I stop seeing all white men because of this? No. Could I deny my services to them, if I wanted to? Yes. Would it make me racist if I did? No.

This subject has been extensively discussed before, always heated, apparently with no right answer http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=181140&highlight=blacks http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=151618 Some things to keep in mind 1. A lady has the absolute right to choose who she is intimate with, irrespective of a clients race, creed, colour, religion, age, body size, hair/lack of it etc etc etc 2. Forcing a SP to be sexually intimate with a man she does not wish to be with is akin to a sexual assault. Doesn't no mean no...even if the reason is skin colour 3. Often ladies may have a BF/SO (some who may not know their GF/SO is an SP) who is for lack of a better phrase, part of a small ethnic group in her city, and seeing someone of the same ethnic group as a client could publically expose her to that small community where her profession as an SP could be discovered. Racism may not be the reason, it may be because of discretion and anonymity. 4. Yes maybe racism too. Not saying it doesn't happen. But that said what man would really want to see a woman who doesn't want to see him. There are many beautiful women out there that aren't racist and would love to spend time with a respectful gentleman of any ethnicity. That's just off the top of my head. I'll guarantee this thread will end up heated. I'm already feeling uncomfortable posting RG

IMHO, sex between two consenting adults, whether you pay for it or not, is one if not the most intimate and personal experience 2 ppl can share. It certainly can't be compared to other service businesses. That being said, no one as the right to tell providers who they should or should not see nor does anybody has a right to tell me who I should see. This is personal and private!

I think what needs to be remembered is racism is but one form of discrimination There is also discrimination because of age, sex, sexual orientation, weight, disabilities etc But there is also sexual preference, not racism, because of age, sexual orientation, weight, disabilities and race, and there may be a very valid reason for someone's sexual preference. Unless those clients and ladies who label others racist are absolutely without any form of discrimination themselves not just in words but in actions,there should be no painting of others as racist. And I'm sure their preference's could equally be painted as discriminatory God I hate this thread RG

Ok I was going to stay away from this thread, but after reading this I feel I need to speak up. At the end of the day no matter what the reason, if a provider is not comfortable with a particular race ( at times even age groups ) then there is no point to booking with that client as it will make for a very uncomfortable experience and resulting in an awkward session for both parties. Do we all not want to have connection and chemistry?? Do you not want A genuine interest, not forced and faked? Also, if a provider chooses not to see a particular race or age group and by putting it on her web site or ads, then it is eliminating the time wasted and being rejected on your enquiry. I would say these are preferences and not racism. As shown in the example below.... I know a lady who LOVES to be with black men personally, but as for working NO. This is because we are in a very small town and for her to accept black clients it is increasing her chances of "outing" herself to their own group of friends. SHE IS NO WAY raciest.

In my opinion, I see who I want to see, when I want to see them. End of story. As it has been said before on this thread, my body, my rules. My requirements are this: - be of at least age of majority in the area of where I am at any given time - be courteous and have read my 'policies' (rudeness gets you nowhere) - don't ask for things that I explicitly do not offer - don't ask for reductions What I give back: - a splendid way for you to spend time with me - an experience that you won't soon forget - provide you with the best luxuries and sensations that I can - answer your sincere inquiries in a timely and courteous manner I don't believe that I have ever asked a potential client what their racial/ethnic background is, it just never occurred to me to do so. I take a look at in which manner a gentleman has approached me, their attitude in conversation (whether that be PM, contact page, or email), and if they have read my website for further information. I carry on conversations with the potential client in such a way that I can get an accurate picture of 'are we going to be a good pairing'. Questions or emails that just have 'rates and are you available at xxx time' leads me to believe that said person has not read anything, and is just looking for a quick 'lay'. Providers give experiences, good ones. If I feel from the first few initial responses that we are not a good pairing, I will convey that to the client. But I do it carefully so as not to offend. Prejudice and racism is always going to exist in any business, I just choose not to participate in it. I am pretty sure that I will not meet the requirements of what clients are looking for sometimes, but I sure don't get offended by it. I am certainly not a spinner, nor am I 19, and this is what some clients want. As long as the 4 'requirements' are met, your background has nothing to do with how good a time we will have together. It will be your attitude and maturity that will lead to a great session. :)

went to my farm today to check on my bees. Gave each hive a concoction of honey and sugar I made. They loved it. They where gentle and focused on eating so I was working with no gloves. The next warm day we have I will wrap them for the winter and not check them again till med Feb when I give them some food to get them healthy for the spring. Oh and also took off another 150 pounds of honey. Bees sure make me happy

My approach is different. With experience, one gets to feel who are the serious ad legit providers. Even being a newcomer, a serious provider will have a structured and direct talk with you. With these ones I would book for 1h, even if they don't have any raving reco here or elsewhere. The ones who play tricks tend to be easily detectable acting being evasive and unresponsive on many details. I see ads every day for SPs who claim to be well-reviewed. When you ask them, they remain silent. Those ones, I don't book at all, as hot as they can look on their pics. You can guess pimps aren't too far. Let's not endorse these guys' activities. It goes back to applying common sense: grab the phone and give the lady a call. Intuition is your best guide, particularly after having been screwed a couple of times, like most of us clients have been when we start in this hobby. Live and learn. I have met companions who were doing this for a very brief period of time, but gave me the most memorable time I could think of, and even beyond. Students mostly. I am always on the lookout to meet new ladies, but without losing my sense.

I don't see really young guys, because I have sons in their 20's and one of their friends could show up at my door, I'd rather pass on that possible outcome. One time I was working in Calgary, a guy called me to prearrange an appointment for the next morning. The next morning I show up and a young pimple faced kid answers the door and I'm like, think I got the wrong house and he's like no I had my friend call you. I'm super uncomfortable at that point but proceeded anyway, asked him for ID, the whole nine. That was the MOST uncomfortable session I ever had and I've dealt with my fair share of weirdness in the almost 30 yrs I've been working and I gave him some advice while I was leaving and told him to ensure that next time he tells a lady how old he is. Something else to add to this with the ethnicity aspects, I don't think it's anyone's business to judge anyone else for not wanting to see certain ethnicities people have a right to refuse anyone they don't want to see. Just like pooners have the right not see someone either for whatever reasons. And some people get really rude and ignorant, even threatening when they are refused service during the screening process. And when some people think they are entitled to service just because they have money, I'll pass on that, as well as their condescending attitudes with yelling at you on the phone and YES people do that to some of us. There's nothing like getting a one word text RATES!!! AVAILABLE???

Why are these guys so argumentive about an SP not wanting to see them? If you are browbeating a lady into seeing you, or you arrive with a chip on your shoulder it is not going to be a great session. Instead of arguing and insulting a lady because she does not want to see you go see someone who WANTS to see you.

I've converted and uploaded the transcripts - they are in pdf format, so safe to download and in English and French. Oct 29th Transcript Oct 30th Transcript

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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but I disagree and let me clarify this is collective data from a couple hundred ladies, NOT just one. If there are possible risks that involve a ladies SAFETY and if she can reduce those risks, that is her right do so and half those points are safety risks, some more serious than others. You're also on the other side of the phone and process, numbers don't lie. Your concern as a client is how a lady treats you and the clients she does choose to see is it not? I think you would be very shocked at how some people act and speak towards ladies. If 3 out of 4 men of a certain ethnicity asked for BBFS between the ages of 27 to 40, that's a very dangerous number to be playing with and I can tell you in one city, that does happen. Risk is higher in some cities based on numbers and sorry if you think it's racist, but unless you experience it firsthand you really have no right to pass judgement wherein a lady may be putting her safety at risk. Safety is always a number one priority. For the record craig and to those reading, I'm certainly not saying that ladies should make a generalization of certain ethnicities across Canada, that would be racist imho. I'm saying wherein some cities the risk of potential harm can be reduced then ladies should do what they feel is best for them and judgement shouldn't be passed.

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It would depend on what city you are living in and some cities have much higher ratios of certain ethnicities than others do and the data is based on several sp's experiences via ladies lounges, not just one ladies experience. My point is, that some people are suggesting that a decision was made to not see certain ethnicities due to a sole ladies personal preference when in fact that may not be the case at all. White is an ethnicity and my data could be about them. I'm not going to say which it is, however, I can't say to those of you that have problematic issues with white men in Eastern provinces that your choice not to see them wouldn't be justified, if you so chose to do that. Just like you can't say if some lady in a western province makes a decision not to see brown guys because the majority of problematic clients are brown. I've worked in almost every province in Canada, so my data is not limited.

Everyone is different and experiences different things, so if one lady experiences all of the items from the list above from mainly coloured men, then sure, I can see why she'd generalize them and become a bit biased. But in my short time escorting, the most unsavory, rude, unhygenic, and just all-around not pleasant have been white men, so why are they not targeted in ads? Perhaps I'm experiencing a different side of people, but just about all of the men of colour I've met have been nothing but nice, clean, and respectful. If we're going by statistical data, I might argue that white men should be the ones SP's are refusing(which they will never do as white men are pretty much the majority). Posted via Mobile Device

Racial preferences reduce people to their ethnicity and reinforce racial hierarchies by insinuating that race alone is a powerful enough factor to negate everything else that someone has to offer. Claiming that someone is unworthy of associating with you because of race and hiding behind the flimsy excuse of sexual tastes or lack of hypothetical romantic chemistry is racist. Some preferences are fine. Blanket assumptions based on race, ethnicity, and culture, particularly when these qualities are perceived as inherent deal breakers in forming a potential relationship, are not.

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It's not racism, it's personal preference. I choose the ladies that I want to spend time with and certain skin colours do not get my attention because it does not turn me on. Does that make me a racist? I don't believe so, at least I hope not.

I read one of Senator Jaffer's transcripts the other day, and it sounds like while it took her a while, she really does get it. http://mobinajaffer.ca/senate-chamber/senate-speeches/october-21-2014-second-reading-bill-c-36/ Is there a different transcript that you're referring to? Also, still not too late for sex workers, clients and allies to submit a brief.

The bill will come into effect once the Senate and House of Commons agree on an identical bill and it receives royal assent. I'm unclear as to how C-36 is going to affect my business, particularly the nuances of it. I have no doubt that it will make it harder to screen, and that business will take a hit until people can see how the law is being enforced. It's also unclear to me what kind of activities will be covered under C-36. My services are all kink related, and while it's all sexual to me, it's hard to say where the line is going to be drawn. I don't ever have sex with clients, at least not any conventional definition of sex. If any Winnipeggers are interested in working to combat criminalization, we have a working group here that's part of the Canadian Alliance for Sex Work Law Reform. https://www.facebook.com/WinnipegWG If you want more info on how to get involved directly, email us: [email protected] Sex workers and allies are encouraged to participate.

I still can't understand any guy who is still seeking ladies who work on the street. This is still illegal under the laws struck down AND will also be illegal under the new laws.

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Sounds from the media reports, and with the proviso "presumed innocent until proved guilty" but Ghomeshi wasn't so much a practiser of BDSM as he was someone who got off on beating up and sexually assaulting women RG

So, I'm going on an assumption that you think that watching TV and texting during a session is also probably a bad idea? :icon_eek: I use unscented baby oil, and it really soaks into the skin and seems to disappear very easily. if you are seeing massage providers who use something else, maybe (if you can find) bring a bottle of that sort of oil for use on you. Also, request a hot towel wipe down of your back. you can't really reach and soap up your own back, so no doubt there might be something left over. No reason why any sp would refuse such a request for a wipe down, imo. - speaking of, hot towels. I read recently at least 2-3 guys posting in a review that they had either never or only a couple times, encountered sps/mps who provide a warm damp washcloth for them for some cleanup, rather than just kleenex or wet wipes. Sure they can use the shower, and sure they may do that, but i am talking about post coital, still on the bed, after the completion. I have never not used these cloths, and rarely encounter someone who doesn't want to use them. Sure it is more laundry, but it is a small extra service that does not go unnoticed, apparently.

Phone interruptions during an encounter is an absolute no-no in my opinion. I place my phone, face-side down, on non-vibrate/non-ring, in a drawer or under something, so that I will NOT see/here it. Nothing is more important than the attention that I give to a client while he is in attendance. If the clients phone goes off while he is there, I give them the option of answering, their choice, but most turn them off while they are with me. An sp/provider that answers their phone while they are with you, I do consider that poor etiquette on their part.

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I'm with Ice4fun, this issue gets beaten to death, not just here but all through society. That's not to say racism doesn't exist and be in denial. Racism will always be a part of human nature. It's not going to end because we open up and "talk" about it. Lets just admit that is is a human failing and move on. Whatever the person who says "no blacks or whatever race" in her ad, that's her deal and none of my business.

There is also this HUGE assumption that all the sps all the time post all their own ads. And when you see something like that disclaimer in an ad, for the reason you have presented here, I would say 99% of the time this is not the personal preference of the sp, and she is not determining who she sees, nor what is in her ads. I find this lack of understanding on the part of new sps and newer to this clients to be something worth educating them on, but then we also run the risk of letting them all assume that any sp with that in her ad is being pimped out by a stereotypical black pimp dude, and that also may not be the case. Not to mention, now we get the racist label for presenting that as the reason, because they simply don't believe it, they don't know this history, and it seems incomprehensible to them in this day and age. So put simple and in stereotypes, tradtional pimps FORBID their sps from seeing black clients, no exceptions, on pain of getting seriously beaten. If people prefer to think badly of the sp, believe me, it is nothing compared to what she could go thru if a black client shows up in spite of her ad, and she also feels pressured to 'make that money'. If being thought of as a redneck racist keeps her safe, then by all means, I'm all about everyone assuming she's a redneck racist, as long as that means all potential clients of colour do not show up at her door.

I kinda feel there are enough haters out there willing to degrade and beat up on sex workers without having to see people who participate in this industry do so within this forum... what exactly are we trying to accomplish with this thread for fuck sake this issue has been beaten to death. This industry is a microcosm of the rest of society... we will have the same traits as the rest of society... good and bad. Are there racist SP's and clients yes... is everything described in this thread racism no. Let's give it a rest. I have played in this industry for a long long time... more regularly in the last few years but my experience is that the people who work in the Sex Industry are probably the most open to diversity than any other group. Just my opinion

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Sure, but there should still be a significant market for women who want discreet sex. A frustrated married woman can't just head down to the bar and pick up anyone. Shouldn't they represent a huge client base? If it weren't for cultural hangups, I'd expect women's desire for male escorts (whether for good companionship and gentle seduction, or wild sweaty anonymous and kinky fucking) should be every bit equal to men's. I think what remains is what the others have touched on: - many, many women aren't comfortable pursuing sexual pleasure outside of a relationship, because they've been indoctrinated that "quality women don't do that". - many women just don't have the money to do it (yet; the balance is changing here so let's see what the market is like in 50 years). - and I'll add that the physical risks to female clients seem greater to me. If things go wrong during the encounter and there's any kind of struggle, women may be less physically able to protect themselves. Even if this risk is minimized with SP references etc., the simple fear of what might happen may dissuade women who otherwise want and can afford the service. But as others note, male escorts find a market in more sexually comfortable cultures, so there's hope yet!

Should have left well enough alone? What's a few women abused or killed because of the unsafe conditions recognized by the Supreme Court versus a guy's desire for fun and games.

Any SP worth her professional panties won't be waving their black book details publicly anytime soon. The truth is, there is no profit in outing a client so professional companions will be continuing on. The fly by nights are what you need to be aware of. If a provider isn't a long term investor in the industry then don't chance it. New girls will have to go to agencies and be vetted with identification and a couple of calls under their belts before they will be welcomed as indies. The changes are not really that big for indoor workers and clients. The real catch is the advertising legislation now imposed. There will be a marked change in the amount of information a client will be able to ask before meeting a provider. In that case, don't ask about services and you are fine. Payment for companionship has always been a non issue, what two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business and no one is interested in what they do. Bottom line, new girls will where the risk lies in terms of LE so don't ask about sex before meeting or for sex once you arrive. Let her lead the way... cat

I do not think a serious long term SP like Zoe for example would be outing clients. Professionals have a "brand" that they create, market, and protect. They would lose everything if they were shown to be outing anyone. Professionals are easy to identify. Some come on here and you can see that they are thoughtful and intelligent people. Fear those who have nothing to lose.