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4 pointslickachick was the same person as mjai420 This person is obviously trying very hard to run a smear campaign to make Brooklyn Styles look bad. They are asking you to PM them instead of posting nasty stuff in public about her (well that is just a way to try to circumvent our no negative comment policy and this is a great example of why we have this rule!) Thankfully our members are too smart for that and reported him and many are sticking up for her too. Awesome to see!! So... If you see a post asking you to PM them for info on Brooklyn (or anyone for that matter) just report it for me please. Obviously if it's about Brooklyn chances are it is this same obsessive person. If you see stuff like this and you know it is not true the best thing to do is do what you did here. Report it and post letting people know you recommend the lady. What a great community we have!
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4 pointsHi there gentleman! For those of you that I have not had the pleasure of meeting yet, during this busy and at times stressful season. I would love the opportunity to spend 90 minutes with you at my regular hourly rate! Let's warm eachother up have a glass of wine or drink of your choice. Let's flirt and let me suduce you and get the juices flowing ;) For those I have not met. I am a Exotic passionate woman that definitely loves to satisfy and please and is no stranger to getting pleased! I have dark exotic features, curvy hips and beautiful smooth bronzed skin, an all natural mature Mexican sweetheart! My reputation is of a high sexual energy, naughtiness and being wildly passionate. I possess a natural ability to connect with you freely, putting you at ease and relaxed in order for us to explore a world of intimacy and ultimate pleasure! I am a confident, classy and intellectual woman who enjoys great conversation and companionship! Now I can't promise you won't get lost in my captivating eyes or that my smile and full kissable lips won't drive you wild. Or that I wont charm the pants off of you (literally ) ;) But I can promise you that you will have my undivided attention and you will leave feeling like we were reacquainted lovers from long ago! Your passionate and sensual encounter awaits you Xoxo http://www.sweetcaramelo.com Felina :* 204-293-7320 [email protected]
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3 pointsHello everyone! Due to a cancellation, we now have a VIP ticket available either for sale to a member without a ticket or if someone that bought a regular ticket wishes to upgrade to VIP its only an extra 15 dollars for a limo ride from and back to dtown area! I would like to remind everyone that mistert and I do not take even a penny as profit for this nor have we done so since we been organising the socials starting back in Sep 2013. As a matter of fact, those that have met me in person to pay cash, know that I drive a truck which is not cheap on gas. With the number of trips I have to take I easily burn a tank of gas which comes out of my own pockets. Mistert also spends money as well. Therefore due to the fact we make zero profit from the socials, everyone has to understand that once we committed money towards the event we can not give it back to ppl cancelling at the last minute unless we take it out of our own pockets. To date we have paid for the limo and the entertainment. Deadline for tickets is tomorrow as we will have to confirm and pay for the food then. Next time someone can't seem to understand when we say sorry no refund, think about how you would feel if you were on the receiving end of the complaint and you had spent close to 100 dollars of your own pocket to organise an event to try and get community members together!!!
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3 pointsIf you check the recommendations under Nova Scotia I did a recommendation for Maraena, I agree with Boomer1 Maraena is a special lady who is a delight to spend a couple of hours with.
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3 pointsMaraena is the one I would trust and I have seen her. Truro seems to be bursting out with many new companions but I've heard the you need to be very careful as always.
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3 pointsThere will be thinning of the herd for sure and just like natural selection the strong on both sides of the game will adapt and survive and the weak won't. The end result might be better game over all. Peace MG
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3 pointsIf your website is found to advertise ANY sexual services we must place your website URL on our CENSOR list as we can not knowingly advertise it. Anyone currently or previously offering any sexual services in exchange for money you need to stop that! (The government says so!!) We are actively reviewing websites advertised on lyla.com to ensure all websites comply with the new laws. If you are found to have any sexual references on your website that could be considered prostitution you will receive the following message and your site will be blocked. You can ask us to review it at a later date but we are busy so if you force us to block it instead of updating it and saving us all that work then we will take our time allowing it back! if you choose to comply and wish to promote your revised site here. It is in your best interest with this new law to stop offering any sexual services as it is now illegal for anyone to advertise such services.
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2 pointsSome people were concerned cause our old banner said the word "ESCORT" and they assume that implies some sort of sexual reference. Let me clear the air on that word. The word "ESCORT" does not imply ANY prostitution services in ANY WAY are available!! This is why towns like Winnipeg, Calgary, Barrie, Windsor and others LICENSE escorts. They can LEGALLY LICENSE escorts and escort services but can NOT LICENSE anyone who is a courtesan/prostitute! You can be someones escort on a date to a movie, dinner, travel companion, etc... 100% legally and you can ADVERTISE this service anywhere you want! The new law DID NOT ban advertising as an ESCORT or allowing people to advertise ESCORT SERVICES. As long as no sexual services are included or solicited in the ad we can advertise that service. We can also advertise private dancers, stripclubs, massage spas that do not offer any extra menu items as well. We just can not allow anyone to advertise/solicit a SEXUAL SERVICE / PROSTITUTION ACT. Soliciting ESCORT services (Like any other legal business) is not a issue and it is not an issue for us to advertise such a service. So hosting the old cerb.ca banner is not an issue even with the word ESCORT on it as you can be an ESCORT and not have sex or do sexual things so that word is NOT one of the BANNED WORDS .... But... for those who are still not comfy with the word the new banner for lyla.com came in today. Here it is....
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2 pointsI decided to take a chance on Bianca. I normally don't use blind faith anymore but I have been pleasantly surprised in the past. I guess that's part of the excitement. Bianca is stunning. Her pictures are accurate with the only exception being that she does have some tattoos but they're subtle. She has an amazing set of legs and breasts. She used to dance and it shows.
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2 pointsAnything but a Lifesavers Christmas pack. This was worse than getting nothing when I was a kid, and I'm still scarred from receiving them. http://steelkaleidoscopes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345160cc69e2017c3439de20970b-pi Sweet Jesus how do you post an F'n pic here!!! GRRRRRR
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1 pointHad a 1 hour session with Sophie this morning. I think maybe she's Korean. Her English is fairly good. She gave a good, firm massage and after that a nude HE. I think she's in her late 20's or early 30's (I find it hard to guess the age of Asian women sometimes). Average looks, slightly plump in a pleasant way. Nice skin - very smooth, soft, and white. Beautiful, fair sized breasts with erect, suckable nipples. Over all a good experience. Bonus points - they have a shower, parking in the rear, and a discreet rear entrance for us shy guys.
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1 pointParadise News Lany NOW back for your pleasure .... one of Ottawa'a All Time Fav's http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/lanys-profile/ Lany's Recommendations http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthr...t=37195&page=3 New Sylvia aka "Sylvia Star" http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/sylvias-profile/ NEW Sophia ...a familiar face to you http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/the-angels/sophias-profile/ The lovely Chloe NOW back http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/the-angels/chloes-profile/ To see our Special click here.... http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/Schedule Updated Daily ----------Happy client comments too available on our website found under our sexy ladies profile http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/site/schedule/ Ottawa's Largest Spa...Over 40 MA's, Top Selection of MA's----------7 rooms and up to 18 ladies daily! Thursday Ella 9-4 Pandora 9-4 Hannah 9-4 Azaria 9-5 Sylvia 10-5 NEW Sasha 3-11 Bree 3-11 Jessica 3-11 AJ 5:30-11 Visiting :smile: Lany 6-11 Welcome Back Sabrina 6-11 Cherry 6-11 Hailey 6-11 NEW Friday Pandora 9-4 Sabrina 9-4 Azaria 9-5 Kimber 9:30-7 Sylvia 10-5 NEW Savannah 10-11 Mandy 10-7 April 2-11 Bree 3-11 Sasha 3-11 Jessica 3-11 Hannah 3-11 Saturday Sabrina 9-4 Azaria 9-4 Hannah 9-4 Hailey 9-11 Bree 11-10 Kandice 12-11 April 1-11 Sasha 3-11 Savannah 4-11 Sunday Sabrina 10-4 Jessica 10-9 April 10-9 Sophia 10-9 Bree 11-9 Kandice 12-9 Sasha 1-9 Lany 3:30-9 Welcome Back :smile: Lany-Welcome Back :smile: Meika-NEW Hiring blitz: Seeking hard working,motivated,reliable and attractive ladies. We strive to be the most professional and respected upscale massage parlour in Ottawa by providing a clean,safe and personally rewarding,friendly work environment for our ladies. Experience is an asset but not mandatory. We will train the right ladies! Must have a burning desire too please others & love what you do!
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1 pointIt all comes down to "Are they actually going to try to enforce this crap". So many laws get on the books because some vocal minority fights for them, and they get their way. But LE and the legal system (courts, judges, etc) have to agree. If they don't, the law will be the same as that that prevents you from walking three abreast on the sidewalk.
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1 pointJust a few quick thoughts over my second cup of coffee First, and as cliché as it sounds, remember, It's the Thought That Counts Second, a gift for a client should only be reserved for regular clients. It isn't something for a first (and maybe only time) client who sees you just for a gift A gift could be a gift certificate/gift card/small present. Personally the idea of a discount I'm uncomfortable with. I never forget that this is the lady's livelihood. A discount is a reduction in income for the lady. For me, if I received a discount all I'd do is increase the tip so the lady still receives the same donation (plus tip) that she'd receive on other encounters Gifts can be of all shapes and sizes. I have a gift from a lady, well friend, on display in my living room. Won't say what, except the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge means something special to me. And I'm not a Royal Watcher ;-) But a nice way to say thank you. First thank you can be said year round. Not just at Christmas. And not by a gift, well gift in the conventional sense of the word. But, well, if you look at my profile page, under "About Me", "Recommendation Or URL Of A Page..." click on that link. It is something that is very special to me, so much so that when I saw it I included it in my profile page. Not a gift in the conventional sense of the word, but something very special to me. Anyhow, just my opinion A few quick thoughts over my second coffee RG
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1 pointGood morning, Lovely to have been back in Kingston the past few days. Thank you for a great time. I look forward to seeing you in 2015. xoxo Emily
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1 pointI think this question has been answered by Fortunateone in another thread, but here goes: The Justice Department submitted a technical paper with the definition of sexual services. A sexual service consists of two things (both must be present): 1) A service that is sexual in nature 2) The service is intended for the sexual gratification of the recipient I note that sexual services are still legal. And now that I look at this again it seems absurd.
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1 pointM.A.A.R.S. Mens Alternative Arrangement Registered Specialist Not to be confused with M.A.R.R.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cak1xly8oUM
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1 pointINTOXICATING IRINA Hello! My name is Irina and I'd like to invite you over to my upscale, downtown condo (just a 5 minute walk from the Rideau centre) for a relaxing massage, or maybe an exhilarating one, the choice is yours ;) IMMEDIATE AVAILABILITY: THURSDAY from 12pm-8pm. Description: I am a 22 year old university student with both beauty and brains. I stand 5'7 barefoot, but I live in heels. I have long, natural brown hair and captivating brown eyes. My measurements are 32B-23-33. My pictures are all real and untouched, apart from colour filtering, so the legs and ass you see are exactly what you get I am friendly and talkative and can make anyone feel comfortable with me in a matter of minutes! Our Time Together: I am, and always have been, an MA. Our time together will be exciting and intimate, but my restrictions are clear and firm. If you would like specifics, do not hesitate to contact me by phone or PM. I like for sessions to flow freely, and for chemistry to develop naturally, thus I do not have a set list of experiences for you to expect. What I can guarantee is that I will do my best to make sure we both leave the session indescribably happy! Rates: If you would like to inquire about my rates, please contact me by PM or phone. I rarely reply to messages that simply say "Rates?", so please try to elaborate. I do not negotiate, and do not accept alternative offers for specific requests. Please note, I am not a clock watcher, so some overtime to cover arrival and departure is expected, and I will always alert you if your session is running uncomfortably long and an extension needs to be considered. Otherwise, the time you book is the only time I will charge you for. You need not worry about any unexpected costs. I am only available for bookings in half hour increments (ex. 30, 60, 90 minutes). Contact Me: I can be reached by PM here on CERB or by text at 613 700 3831. I do not answer private number calls, and will not pick up calls generally unless you have requested a phone conversation in a written message first. I do not answer short messages such as "Rates?" or "Location?". I also do not reveal specifics of my location until a session is booked. If you message me inquiring about immediate availability and do not hear back, I am likely busy. I generally will not respond to such messages if I see them too late as the answer, by that point, is self evident. If you would like a reply regardless of time, please indicate so and I will certainly respond NEXT AVAILABLE THURSDAY! CONTACT INFORMATION I can be reached by PM or by TEXT at 613 700 3831 I hope we get to meet soon! XOXO Irina
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1 pointLast year i recommended getting those tiny candy canes that are set up with gold bows to be tree ornaments. they can be easily explained if an explanation is required, or they can be eaten after the appt. they are too small to be considered a gift that needs explanation, is the main point. you can set them up in a decorative bowl. I know you mentioned non denominational, but it isn't a direct christian ornament, and it is also a minty candy.
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1 pointOk I know coco from sunhope an Lucy and Grace from Phoeni. So Grace is Annie? I had been hoping for some new talent myself.
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1 pointCOME SPEND SOME TIME WITH ME GENTS ! 1. Birthday Boy Specials (proof of ID required to verify birth date): Sessions available 30-45-60mins (NO DOOR FEE ! + Special in room tipping price) 2. SPECIAL (IN-ROOM) PRICING FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER-DECEMBER 11TH!!! (30-45 SESSIONS ONLY) (FOR DISCRETION REASONS I CANT GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL OVER THE AD, HOWEVER FEEL FREE TO SHOOT ME A PM, TEXT OR PRIVATE EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE RATES & PACKAGES!!! Looking For A Good Time ? See A Beautiful, Classy & Sweet youthful Lady With Delicious Attributes that consist of: Juicy Round Tits, Firm In All Aspects And Toned Frame!!! I PROMISE AN AMAZINGLY UNIQUE TIME ! I STRIVE to tease, please, put you at ease...AND give you the ultimate satisfaction guaranteed. I LOV mutual encounters of friendship and TRUE satisfaction as well as ENTICING conversations & bonding relationships. Hot Schedule For This Week: (Wed. Nov. 26th-Fri. Nov. 28th) is posted below, check it out!. You can also Pre-Book your session ! My Appearance: 24 year old, long haired brunette, dazzling sexy hazel eyes, lightly tanned, silky smooth skin, I stand at 5'3, 125lbs with curves in all of the right places, 36C perfect tittys!, gorgeous face features and i am Italian & French of nationality. My Personality: Very outgoing, playful, seductive, bubbly, sweet, classy, talkative, sweet, caring, intelligent, respectful, honest and discreet. WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT IN A UNIQUELY AMAZING EXPERIENCE WITH ME: -Gents please PM/PRIVATE EMAIL, TEXT OR CALL ME FOR MORE INFO & RATES- thank you for your discretion I kindly appreciate it - Fees: (Door Fees): 30mins: $50 45mins: $60 60mins: $80 PLUS tipping in the room !! *LONGER SESSIONS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST (75, 90, 2HR)* Location: (Monday-Friday): Merivale & Hunt Club. (Only). Angels Touch Spa. Clean, upscale & professional. Free parking, fresh towels, nice big showers in each room & hygienic products. Hygiene is a MUST ! Schedule For This Week: (Wed. Nov. 26th-Fri. Nov. 28th): Wed: 12pm-11pm Thurs: 12pm-11pm Fri: 12pm-8pm EMAIL. PM. CALL. TEXT: For more info or to book your ADDICTIVE session ! 613-600-3943 (Text Only) Email: [email protected] Personal Website: http://taylordevine.massagefiles.com/ Angels Touch: 613-274-7073 (Request Taylor) (Call Only) RECOMMENDATIONS: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthr...ltr=T&t=155684 AD WITH COMMENTS: http://www.lyla.com/classifieds/ottaw...al-beauty.html *NEW*: ANGELS TOUCH WEBSITE UNDER TAYLOR'S PROFILE: HAPPY CLIENT COMMENTS: http://www.angelstouchmassage.ca/sit...ylors-profile/ CIAO FOR NOW!, CRAVE TAYLOR BOYS! XOXO MUAHS!
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1 pointStopped in tue evening. Pretty quiet. Saw Bridgette who is incredible. Great looks, body and personality.
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1 pointIt has ALWAYS been about the connection with the MA for me. I couldn't care less about where she worked and would travel to see her if the connection was there...
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1 pointHmmm....good question. A physical gift might arouse suspicions if discovered by a SO. Same goes for a swift kick in the arse (leaves a boot mark). You might do well with the holiday special rate thingie.
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1 pointYeah, this is one of those things that, when it happens, is really cool. When it does, it's a natural outgrowth of each partner's state of mind and excitement. In particular, being turned on by your partner's mounting excitement can make for a really cool feedback loop in which the obvious approach of one partner's "finish" helps lift the other partner up and over that last little hurdle to their own. That said... striving to make this happen on purpose, or using simultaneous endings as the yardstick of success or failure, kinda kills the whole thing. 'Cause now it's a requirement, and even should you achieve it it becomes more like checking a box off on a list ("Good! Well done!") than letting things grow organically wherever they may. Same things for "endings" period, not just their simultaneity. In my early days it was all about reaching that destination, straight down the highway all the way, and a shiny gold star for both getting there at the same moment. But after a while it became much more about all the side trips and the interesting countryside to explore and enjoy together while headed in that general direction, and the fun little surprises it held! That's sometimes such a fun journey that you just stop for the night in some awesome bed-and-breakfast you just found, and don't really worry about that place you first set out for. Okay, totally got carried away with the metaphor there.
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1 pointI like to know the whole donation is going to the lady. I like ladies to be successful in their own business and perhaps having another lady work for them, acting as a mentor, providing a safe environment for new girls entering the business. Most of the massage parlors (MP) now have really big showers for 2 and that's a big draw. Indies can control their time and not be locked into 12 hour shifts. Indies can go shopping, go to the gym or whatever as long as their phone is handy.
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1 pointI kinda think people should have the right to live their life any way they like... if monogamy works for them great if not that's fine to. To each their own. Just my Opinion
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1 pointAs a French I could call a gentleman ''mon chéri'' or ''mon poussin'' and he would probably like it! But I hate to use any term - any of those already mentionned - as it is not who I am to use little names. It sounds fake to me so I always call a gentleman by the name he gives me. But I have to say that I have no problem being called a goddess... ;-)
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1 pointFrom my understanding we are legally allowed to tell clients this but if you spoke to a lawyer they would tell you if you mentioned that you offer x, y and z services then you are inferring something that would be illegal for the client to participate in because he would be paying you. Peter Mackay intentionally did this because he is an idiot and has the power to do so. You're right Gabriella, it is definitely contradictory. Getting a court to determine if something was considered explicit would be very broad.. Correct me if I'm wrong here but last time I read the bill it didn't define what "s services" actually were. Potential clients will have to read between the lines now and I'm sure some who do have an understanding of the new laws will be grateful that there will be SPs who will not have an explicit discussion with them for their safety. It's time to start using phrases that are not explicit. It's the only way around it. I've already made up a few of my own that get the point across that don't imply anything explicit. Gents, you will now have to read between the lines.
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1 pointHi Cara ;-) My first language is French (from Normandie, France, well-known region for its cows, cheese, apples, alcohol... and the second world war beaches, of course :-) Metalsmith: I have no clue if ''retinue'' is for a single person or a group. I am still working on trying to integrate it as a real word in my English as a second language. I looooove words. I could make up a new term for an escort: I am an ''Ingenue Retinue''. What about this?
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1 pointThe more I think I understand the law, the more I get confused when I read certain interpretations. In a nutshell: I know we can legally advertize what we offer. Companionship and much more. The problem is for third parties. I know it's illegal for clients to communicate for the purpose of procuring sexual services. Well, everything for a client is illegal where sex and money are involved. Where I get really confused is when you say a client cannot ask about details but you can provide them... It doesn't make any sense to me because as soon as you start offering explicit details of what you provide, the exchange has gone from companionship only to sexual services, whether he asks or you offer the information. The nature of the conversation is no longer about companionship only. Does anyone care to offer a rational explanation for this? I would, like many others, appreciate it.
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1 pointI'm wondering is Law Enforcement will waste any resources on this victimless crime. Sure, if someone is pimping, living off the avails, using underaged girls, or otherwise doing something that is not victimless, book him, and incarcerate him. But a pooner out for a little something on the side, a little "different", what's the crime? And to what benefit of society does persecuting and prosecuting these otherwise upstanding citizens? Will the moral minority push LE into setting up stings and entrapping johns, or will LE say "Hey, we have criminals to chase here, and we're not going to waste our time just to make you feel better about something you have no involvement with". Its not like photo radar, which generates money. It is 100% revenue negative, and will tie up courts, judges, juries, legal aid with zero benefit to society. I think the strategy to defeat this is to attack its defenders, and take them off their high horses. Expose the skeletons in their closets, even take one or two down in their own stings. That'll get everyone to back off...
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1 pointAnd no more double, queen or king size beds, even for married couples Just two single beds in a bedroom, just like from the Lucille Ball, or Dick Van Dyke Show era This is what MacKay envisions, people won't be focused on sex, instead more focused on loftier pursuits...philosophy, literature, the classics RG :-)
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1 pointTechnically, no you have not committed a crime because you were not paying for sex, you were paying to compensate a lady for her companionship. Whatever occurs within the time you have agreed to spend together is up to two adults. The financial transaction is for her time. Clients are going to have to read between the lines, and learn not to have a list of expectations of activities since we cannot discuss or advertise them. Professional companions are compensated for their time and are therefor not violating any laws. Leave it at that. As a client, it is your duty and in your best interests to be less crude and demanding of us ladies and learn to just go with the flow and be aware of the subtleties and finer points of companionship. If you can't or won't do that, then perhaps this is a good time to find a new hobby? Or at least stick with reputable ladies through sites like LYLA/Cerb.
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1 pointIn the whole scheme of things this impacts few people and as well very few of those whom may be impacted belong to these boards so I'm not surprised at the lack of attention/notice overall. The lights may come on in December......or not. Peace MG
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1 pointThe problem that I have been having is the rudeness from callers because I won't discuss rates or services. I guide them to my ads and website. Which they really should have been reading before they contacted me. :tresmauvaisehumeur: It isn't to be rude or anything, but to have someone call and the first thing they ask is "what are your rates?" when I have them on all of my ads is ridiculous. Discussing services is something else I don't do for legal reasons and why I have my reviews posted on my website. I have done this long before the new bill. I did it to save myself from being put in a legal position and to give the person an idea of what they're in for. I also hate repeating myself. I don't know how "great' everything is going to be because a lot of people a getting scared away from the hobby all together. I do see your point as the supply pool will go down and the demand will increase. I have thought about that also. However, I don't study economics. Just anatomy and physiology.... ;) SD
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1 pointFor Petawawa/Pembroke area I would recommend Dorinda. She is beautiful, a very sexy classy lady! Her website is Pembroke playmate. You wont be disappointed
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1 pointShe was great. Not a clock watcher. took her time. I woulda liked her a little more prepped.. but she saw me on short notice.
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1 pointI have no clue who this guy is... but he's awesome. If anyone doesn't get it... shame on you for not watching enough Monty Python :)
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1 pointI have had the pleasure of the company of several TS providers. I can say with assurance that each and every one was feminine inside and out. Yes, there are some physical differences and yes those differences vary from person to person. I also find women attractive. In fact, I consider myself pan-sexual with a strong preference for women. If the OP's intention is to pursue a strictly sexual relationship, then by (bi) all means indulge. We live in incredible times. Twenty or thirty years ago, it would have been difficult or impossible to live out a TS fantasy. Today, opportunities abound and with sites like Cerb, research is possible. If the intent is to follow a personal and emotional relationship, then do so with your eyes wide open. As previous posters have said, TS/TG face numerous daily challenges ranging from prejudice to health issues. It is important to both parties if you enter into an emotional relationship, you do so with honest intent. TS/TG members of our society deserve no less respect and care as any other member.
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1 pointLeighxox, Zoe Zee, Kaylee Kisses, Kayla, Soleil, Krystal Rose, Keissy Hennessey... There's many women that provide excellent service.
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1 pointFor those of you who think you wont have fun if you can't last too long, you will get better with practice, and a lot of the time is spent enjoying the ladies' company. I started off popping orally in a few mins, then again near the end of the hour, but the in between was the most fun, I mean if u are just there to pop off then use your hand and save a few bucks....
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