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itd131, I have to say I'm not really sure what your point is here. Your original point was that under the new laws, spas were just too risky... and certainly moreso than they were before. Your last post gives us a very good summary of how spas have evolved to become more widespread and to offer more varied and higher quality services, and how they've perhaps become a little less discreet in their advertizing... and how all this happened prior to the Bedford SCC ruling last year, when both MAs and clients risked being hit with the bawdy-house law, and the spa itself risked being hit with living off the avails too. So far, so good. What you haven't explained is how the new legal environment is any worse for us, as clients. Sure, paying for a sexual service is illegal... but I think that's no worse than the previous bawdy-house law, and it's a lot harder to prove. They'd have to demonstrate that you actually handed money over *and* received a sexual service, which is a lot harder than just proving you were in a particular place. And for the spas and MAs... sure, the new advertizing rules suck, but people seem to be working around that reasonably well, and the new laws aimed at pimping are a *lot* less restrictive than the old living-off-the-avails law was. So... why the panic? I know damn well that the new laws have been written to intimidate, but there isn't actually any rational reason to let them succeed. And quite apart from the law as it stands at any given time, the really significant factor in all this is local LE and what they may or may not choose to do. They had tools to persecute people under the old laws; they have tools to persecute people under the new ones. But their desire to actually do anything is generally driven by local factors, not by anything that happens in Parliament.

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I almost always have at least a little. I love a nicely trimmed V on top and silkey smooth mons.

Hi guys, I TOFTT last week end with Lilly from Moncton/Riverveiw. After a few tentalizing messages form Lilly, we set up an early app. for Saturday morning. The morning after, no show and no answer to my texts. Finally, she answered back a couple of hours latter saying she was sorry and that she had overslept. She offered me to come to see her at her Grand parents's place! (First clue) Suposedly they were out west and she was taking care of the house. When I got to the house, I notice a lot of shoes at the entrance! (second clue). She invited me in a small room in the basement of the house. It was full of dolls!!!! (Third clue) (WTF???) BTW, her pictures are definitly not new. She carry an extra 50 to 75 lbs over and above what she looks like on her pics!!! (forth clue) I then gave her the agreed rate and sat on the bed. She asked me if I wanted a massage and I said ok. I then proceed to take of my watch and shirt then she freaked out. She told me that she was with the police (???) and that I should leave imediatly or she would call them. She then said that she would call her boyfried. I asked for for my money back, but she refused. Not knowing if there was anybody else in the house, I was now feeling that that my security could be in jeodardy. So I left immediatly. She is a thief , a crook and a con artist! Be very carefull guys. See her add and pic below. http://newbrunswick.backpage.com/fr-ca/FemaleEscorts/love-5068711028new-pics-horni-girl-special-kisscuddle-full-sweet-deals-lilly-5068711028-23/1615660

Please know that this has nothing to do with myself running away from past mistakes. Those of you who have gotten to know me throughout the years know that I was quite open about this profession and had always used my real name. Due to the new law that has been passed I am very weary of using my name now , so I have decided to go by Kylie instead. I prefer to try to stay under the radar if I can. I don't want to start my return to this on the wrong foot and honesty is always best . I just wanted to let everyone know. Thanks and I hope you all understand

Havvve you met Ava??? Wwwell I did and am I ever happy that I did, thank you Jasmin for the great addition. Was at the CMJ Christmas party on Friday evening, among all the beautiful ladies from CMJ met Ava for the first time. I was a bit tongue tied when I first met her, but she made me feel at ease right away. She's the whole package, jaw dropping gorgeous, outgoing, great massage skills and fun. Can't wait until my next session.

CMJ parties are great! I attended the Christmas party last Friday and had a blast. Had massages with 6 girls spread out over 8 hours. Felt like I was 18 again. Before the first party I attended, I was initially concerned that I might meet someone I know, but honestly it is not very likely. Even so, I don't think for one second that anyone would say anything if they did see you. Hell, I'd befriend them even more and chat them up. Gwen is on to something with the speed dating thing. I'd be down to pay a fee for a few short mini-dates in one night. I know CMJ already offers introductions, duos and trifectas (I even pulled off a quadfecta on Friday), but the schedule can be tough to match sometimes. It might be cool to have a night where you can actually have some kind of intro with say, 8 different ladies of your choice. But until then, at least we get some social time at the parties and, like I did, you can see several in one night. Also, the shows are quite amazing. Btw guys, Gwen is a real hottie! I met her for the first time at the party. There are just so many things about her that are attractive. It's impressive. I have not yet had the privilege of a massage with her, but look forward to it in the new year.

I am Angela, an attractive, articulate, playful, friendly and youthful looking mature lady, 50ish. I have thick luxurious hair, green-eyes and a fair complexion. I stand 5'7, and I am built for comfort (40B-34-40). Check out my latest pics: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=9541 Ottawa Recommendations: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showth...?ltr=M&t=18924 Halifax Recommendation: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showth...?ltr=A&t=95369 I prefer mature gentlemen over the age of 30 who are clean, courteous and adventurous. I appreciate men who desire and appreciate the company of a youthful, mature lady who is friendly, playful, seductive and passionate. Whatever your pleasure is, I will do my utmost to accommodate you. I guarantee you, you will be glad you made the call. Chez-moi: (min. 30 minutes notice) Weekdays (M-F) 9 a.m. - 6 p.m. With Pre-booking, start as early as 7:30 a.m. Today until 9 p.m. Chez-vous: (min. 1 hour notice) Weekdays: 7-11 p.m. Weekends: Flexible up until midnight MY CHRISTMAS PRESENT TO ALL LYLA MEMBERS Book an hour at $200 and receive an extra 15 minutes free on me for a total of 75 minutes of intimate company. Only until Dec. 31st. For same day get-togethers, it's always best to text/call: 613-315-2210 For future bookings, you can pm me here or email me at: [email protected] NO BLOCKED NUMBERS PLEASE NO GOOGLE/CALLING CARDS OR PAYPHONES

HEY GENTLEMEN!! My name is Passion and I'm eager to meet you with the holidays here there is so much going on, but lets take some time for us to unwind and have some fun ;)... I want you to come and peel away the wrapping and set free the goodies. I'm anticipating the moment you come and unwrap me ;) Located Downtown Holiday Special: $80 15mins $100 hh $160 45mins $200 h 613-600-9644 Passion xox

For those of you who don't know me, I am a mature, sensual, elegant and sassy lady who will lead you astray with all the experience that only maturity brings. I bring an intelligent yet exciting approach to our time together but can also turn up the heat when the moment arises! From soft and sensuous to mildly wild and uninhibited, I am a woman who likes our encounter to escalate to wonderful heights! My schedule (unless otherwise advertised) Monday and Wednesday 2pm until 8pm Tuesday and Thursday 10am until 4pm Every second Friday from 10am until 5pm Every second Saturday 10am until 5pm Sundays (Noon until 8pm) with a minimum of 48hrs. Evening appointments and encounters at downtown hotels are possible but only if pre-booked. Check out the about me tab on my profile page for more info! (ie donation requirements etc...) http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=27470 Kisses, Meg Please note that I only answer the phone when expecting a call and therefore request that you either text me at 613-282-1560 or email me at [email protected] in order to get the ball rolling. http://www.megforfun.escort-site.com/

Forget about all the holiday hustle, bustle... not one word about it.... LOL The only thing you'll be doing in receiving. Giver extraordinaire. A lil teasing before a lot of pleasing always. I'm tall, light brown hair, model looks, long hair, blue eyes with sun kissed skin, ass and tits that could kill... I make any lingerie look amazing and look even better without anything on at all! Available in the west end of Ottawa Monday, Dec. 22nd now until 7pm Tuesday, Dec. 23rd 10am to 4pm Wednesday, Dec. 24th 10am to 4pm Wednesday, Dec. 31th 10am to 4pm Friday, Jan 2nd 10am to 6pm Saturday, Jan 3rd 10am to 4pm Monday, Jan. 5th 11am to 7pm Tuesday, Jan 6th 10am to 4pm Thursday, Jan 8th 10am to 4pm Friday, Jan 9th 10am to 4pm Saturday, Jan 10th 10am to 4pm Feeling extra achy? I'm also trained in massage therapy so I can get to those extra tough knots and stressful areas. Like what you see? Get more info! Contact me personally Call: 613-482-1553 Text: 613-909-8336 Email: [email protected] Also check out my twitter I update my twitter feed daily with my availability, sexy selfies, music and favorite quotes. Click Here

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^I saw her on Saturday, but she's heading home now for a couple of months. :(

Are you looking to unwind, have a little fun? Let me fulfill your ultimate fantasies! I'm Monika. I'm sweet and friendly, but also seductive and sensual. I offer discrete companionship for the discerning gentleman. Blonde hair, blue eyes, 5'2, 120lbs, d cup, soft skin, great curves Let's start things off with a nice massage and see where we go from there Available Today and tomorrow, from 9am-6pm in a downtown hotel Contact me for more info 613-449-0849 or [email protected] Can't wait to see you! Comments tonyt: Thanked Post

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Hi there, thank you for checking my ad. You will not be disappointed with my A+++ ----------... My name is Vivian. I'm 28 years old. Gorgeous, i am a classy looking Lady with long black hair, seductive cat eyes ...., beautiful silky soft, tanned skin. work out body with all the right curves in the right places. You have finally met the sweet girl next door, also the ----------.. girl in your dreams... I greet you at the door with a lovely smile then lead you to the massage room...I will start with a deep soothing tissue massage to relax all your muscles then follow with a soft, ----------.., tease touch to invigorate your whole body then the fun time ... It will be the most relaxing, creative and passionate session for you ever. So amazing that you cannot help yourself from thinking about it and want to come back for more ! http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92146 For relaxing massage $40/30m $50/45m $70/60m appointment only, call/text me at 613 712 1200 mon to sat 10am to 7pm

A moment with me at Club Madellyn Jae is one of a kind! What I offer you is not your typical relaxation experience. I offer companionship at its finest. An experience with me is a delight for all of your senses. A beautiful blonde seductress on the outside. Charming well-educated and passionate on the inside. Treat me well and your experience will only be more fulfilling! Prebookings are always accepted and encouraged to ensure your time with me! Feel free to ask for 9 AM availability via PM!! The most erogenous zone in the human body is your brain. I intend to delight it with beautiful visions, sweet scents, soft whispers, and a gentle touch. A session with me is not about acronyms, it's about providing the experience you deserve. I can read your words and reactions to provide you a moment that fulfills your needs without you asking for anything. I take care of my beautiful 32DD, 24, 34 body and it shows. Come let me show you all of my charms. Monday Dec 22nd 10:00AM - 4:00PM Tuesday Dec 23rd 10:00AM - 4:00PM Call 613-523-6199 or PM for info. Guests are always welcome and encouraged!

Raven Rain I am a 5'7 Classic Beauty with silky soft, jet black hair, soft caramel color skin, captivating brown eyes,a great smile,Natural 38D-30-38 and long legs . I possess sweetness and charm . I am a package of fun too! I am Your Girl Next Door I will be available at Prince of Wales & Meadowlands Drive Today&Tuesday from 1230pm-3pm 4pm-8pm Downtown area Bronson & Laurier Wednesday by pre-booking only I am unavailable Christmas to the Monday 29th check later for next week's availability my location is safe,discreet & inviting Free parking available & of course anything you need to freshen up I am also available see you for events,outings and of course to see you at your place with advance notice Prices for my companionship are as follows: 30 minutes:$150 60 minutes:$250 90 minutes:$350 2 hours :$420 For more about me visit http://www.ravenrain.ca please take a few moments to look through my website before booking our rendezvous If you wish to contact me by phone@ (613)415-2858 please note: I do not answer Blocked/ unknown number calls until then xo

My experiences with the legal system have led me to believe that the amendments to the Criminal Code the legislators drafted up as a result of political pressure do not dictate the decision to lay charges on someone who is arrested by LE. Crown prosecutors make that decision. The enforcement of this law has always, and will always, be decided by lawyers. I know lawyers, many lawyers. Too many, actually. They have a mind of their own. Crown Prosecutors are no different. If it's a waste of their time, they will not pursue it. If it's a petty offence, they'll plea bargain it down to nothing. Honestly, no one cares about masturbation on a massage table... as long as the hands doing it are free of shackles. Life is full of risks. You can get hit by a car walking your doggie on any given morning. Just be thankful that lawyers in the trenches are the ones running the show... and when that fails, a group of 9 SCC judges can even the playing field (which they did in the Bedford case). On that note, I'll be heading out now to go to one of those massage tables.

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I have just been on Jenny Craig and I have to say that it is great the food is good and the support is great. I have gained good eating habits and have lost 20 lbs in the last 6 months that I feel confident I can keep off. I think the most important thing about a diet is you have to make a lifestyle change with it.

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When a MALE member posts a album he must set it to PRIVATE (BIG RED WORDS EXPLAIN THIS) Only the ladies and trans/shemale providers can have public albums

Good afternoon, It was great to be back and enjoy my favourite city. I look forward to returning in the New Year. Happy Holidays.... xoxo Emily

She will be very missed at ALO

My Christmas wish! :)

You are always taking the time to say hi, welcome, or whatever greeting is appropriate to all. So thank you for your thoughtfulness and may you have a wonderful Christmas

Merry Christmas Cato, all the best in the new year!

It's important for everyone imo to follow a protocol that suits them and I believe we all intuitively know what works and what's best for us. I personally don't believe in diets, however some, due to health issues, have to follow a particular regime and avoid certain foods and calories, therefore diet. I think most of us just need to burn more than we consume to maintain a healthy weight. Eat less redmeat, more veggies and legumes and keep a positive mindset. I've found exercise to be a wonderful outlet for me, it helps build needed muscle, helps burns away my sugar binges and keeps me positive. I must say I hate exercising but it does have it's positives and although I still need to become more dedicated towards it, I'm finding the more I do the more I want to do:) What ever weight you are embrace it or shed it, no size or shape is the best what we all need is just to feel healthy and comfortable in our own skin:)

You aren't. It can. It's very difficult to work out where your own photos have got to, never mind one of you that's owned by somebody else.

The issue is not only if the guy asks for sexual services.... it is also if the lady OFFERS a sexual service and the guy agree's. It is legal to hire a "Escort" (someone who is paid to spend time with) it could be a escort to a social event, a escort to a high school reunion, a dinner date, or just someone to cuddle up and watch a movie with... it is also as far as I know legal to offer private exotic dance, stag dancers, private lingeria shows etc...

Same wishes to you Cato, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I do appreciate your work here so very much.

My understanding on the matter is that it's legal for a gentleman to offer a lady monetary compensation for her time. As long as you are not asking rates for "prostitution related services" no laws are being broken. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

-giving up my Director positions on the three main charities I have volunteered with over the last ten years, raised lots of money, just wish I could have raised more -trying to explain to my four year niece why I would not be around after this Christmas -having trouble typing, reading and remembering -will have to say good bye to my friends on Cerb/Lyla in the next couple of weeks for good FUCK CANCER!!!!!

I think my personal preference is shaved shaved but think it is really a woman choice to make and it would really not impact me one way or the other. Makes you wonder is this some form of subliminal impact from people saying for years "Fuc* Bush" . Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

I have a bush. Not a full 70's but a good size fluffy one. I made the decision when I was in Europe to let it grow...I had 6 weeks that I knew I would not have sex and not have the awkward two weeks growth. The reason was because I always saw people asking about it Guys love it. Some don't mind it. In the past year, I only had one person that refuse to go down on me (except for those that just don't) because he said it was "dirty" When I first got it and word "got" around I would say for a few months maybe 20% of my new clients were because of my bush. I love it.It's so soft :3

From my experience, and have traveled extensively through out Canada as a dancer from 1993-1999, you are correct that there is no history of a client getting any issues from dances. Now each city and bar had their own rules. But it was always up to the bouncers that work there to keep it "clean" . In 1993, when I began to dance, we had agents. I had to have a portfolio like a model, we had had to audition for a place in the agency, we also had proper paychecks that we paid taxes on. Once it became freelance dance, things changed greatly. This was about 1996. It was a very different structure. Now in 2008, I know a bar owner near my home town, who got busted for having "known" solicitation in his bar. Even though he did not really know this, it was said for the fact she was on line advertising it. He lost his liquor license for 8 months I think. Now he scrolls the pages to see if any of his entertainers are advertising it. At the end of the day, it is the business owners that hold the fall out. As for agency/spa work, I feel it is the same deal. I also had to revamp my business model. I am no longer an agent that represents or advertises, nor do I book. I truly feel that each person has to book legally, smartly and within guidelines of the law. But one aspect to spa environment some people may miss is that even before this Bill, no "extra" was ever talked about, and never in hall ways of the establishment. That way it was never public solicitation, nor did the owners ever have to be in knowledge of. ( behind closed doors) If the owners of the establishment did not know, or advertise or have proof of, the even the words " living off avails" could not apply same as "material benefit" AS LONG AS NO ONE ADVERTISES IT OR COMMITS TO IT OR ENQUIRES. The best thing is to go to reputable locations, agencies and INDY that are complying to the guidelines:) Any ways, I know there are many ways to think of this, perhaps I am wrong, maybe right. But this is how I see this. Cheers:)

Well I was born in 1961 and raised with the idea marriage was till death do us part. My take on it, it was rare to find anyone divorced/separated when I was growing up. For better or worse meant even in bad times, you stayed together, worked through the bad times together. But it has become easier and less of a stigma to get divorced. Marriage seems a disposable institution...death do us part means split when we get tired of one another, and want to see if the grass is greener elsewhere But lets not spend a lot of effort working out problems For what it's worth RG

Hmm, WealthyCowboy, this girl who took your picture is quite an odd case. A lady should never do this, I think. Who knows what she might do with it? Once a photo is taken, it is already too late, and it can be spread everywhere on the web, edited, manipulated... But maybe I am too paranoid? Daniel Boon, Dany, Dany, mon cher Dany: do not remove your picture! (that I like, by the way). I did not mean that men should not put pictures of themselves in their albums on Lyla. What I said is that if I receive a picture from a random guy by email, and if his intent is to prove me with his picture that he is trustworthy, then, no, I know that this is not how you can find out if someone is trustworthy or not. So let me be clear about it, dear Lyla's male members: if you want to put photos of you in your albums, please go ahead! I would love to see them! As much as you enjoy looking at ladies' pictures, I would enjoy to look at yours too ;-) I hope that some misunderstanding has been lifted here ;-)

As much as we'd love to see you, it's a social event and we all mingle together. The good news is, everyone is in the same boat and you get to meet us all face to face. We need to do anonymous speed dating lol

76 acre farm with a pristine condition stone house. Omg I am on cloud 10

I will take a man that's not conventionally attractive and sweet than a gorgeous jerk every single day of the week. And I honestly think most of us are the same. I'm a glass half full kind of girl and I've certainly answered the door and had my socks knocked off by gorgeous men, but it means nothing to me if they don't treat me well. I love having my brain tickled too so a good conversation goes a lot way in regards to me having a good time. Then there's subtle things that a picture can't show, like smell, taste and touch. I'm actually able to tell a guy's age and a bit about his personality by the way he messages me. The girls think it's an odd talent lol but I'm almost always right on. That being said, pictures don't hurt :)

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From our social group AW, a very close match for a much beloved board member :) PM me for details about the group...

With her permission, and with thanks, the lovely Michelle MA! Looking all festive.... Additional Comments: And wild :)

Just throwing myself in here, because I love my butt! :) Also:

wow, sorry to hear that this happened to you Too bad girls don't use up to date pics, or pull bullshit like this, it makes it a scary situation for the guys. Hopefully you will continue to participate in hobbying, if the girl doesn't look like she portrays in her pictures, don't continue, just leave.

Jessica - yes women are bitches to other women. I hate it and challenge those that say this type of shit. Don't care if they like it. I have no problem with camel toes or f ripples. I regularly sport both -proudly. No shame and no covering up. Went thru years of marriage to a guy who insisted I dress like an Amish. Once divorced I was free to wear what I like. Additional Comments: Jessica - yes women are bitches to other women. I hate it and challenge those that say this type of shit. Don't care if they like it. I have no problem with camel toes or f ripples. I regularly sport both -proudly. No shame and no covering up. Went thru years of marriage to a guy who insisted I dress like an Amish. Once divorced I was free to wear what I like.

No worries rg. I always respect your opinions. I was suggesting things to consider if he were determined to pursue the matter. Truthfully, I feel he should see some other ladies (lots of them) and move on. I must respectfully disagree however, on the idea of sitting back and waiting for her to make a move. In all likelihood, she is unaware of his feelings. He could spend a lot of time (and money) waiting for something that never happens. I have no issue with this sort of relationship if everyone knows what they are getting out of it. If he spends all of his time and resources on what he thinks is an investment in his future happiness, then there is a problem. I still believe that being upfront and honest, in a respectful way is the best way to pursue it if (and only if) he is determined to do so. Again, just my thoughts on the matter.