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This is all so sad to read. If someone around me at work, at school, in my circle of friends etc etc, ever explicitly talked about how they would use chloroform to knock me out and then rape me, I certainly hope that someone would speak up and tell me about it. I think a females right to work and learn in a safe environment outweighs a males right to privacy. However, this should not be a women vs men issue. It should be an issue of respect. Clearly their is no respect here. A lot of you also refer to their comments as jokes. That's ridiculous. Condoning the 'hilarity' of such 'jokes' is just as bad as making them yourself. It saddens me. A lot of people also talk about how these "boys" careers shouldn't be ruined. Firstly, do you realize most of them are in their 30's? They are not children. They are supposedly men. Secondly, if these comments had been made by anyone towards anyone in any place of work in any of the 1st world countries, there would be absolutely no question as to the disciplinary action that would take place. It goes by the term 'Respectful Workplace', where harassment of any form is not tolerated. Why does this not exist in the educational setting? Perhaps it does, but I must say that being in graduate school at the same University, I have not been exposed to it. It must be one of those things that they don't actually teach you about. One of the group is a friend of mine. I've known him for years. I remember how hard he struggled to get accepted (the class is very small), but how with his determination and drive he finally got in. I remember talking to him a couple of months ago about how excited he was to finally be done. BUT, although he is a 'friend' (I use that term loosely now), I don't think he should be given the power of being able to anesthetize ladies. And yes 'Assistants' are always present... supposedly... but who's to say both of them do not have these fantasies.... A scary thought as I write this, is now I wonder if even if they are expelled, are they qualified to be these 'assistants'?? I'm sorry OldBlueEyes, but your comments have deeply disturbed me. Although I am sure that 95% of guys think about sex with a coworker / friend / whatever... There is, however, a much smaller percentage that fantasize about drugging her and raping her limp body in a violent fashion. And yes... if a classmate or a coworker made those comments about me, I would consider myself a victim. I do not need to live in any more fear than that that is already present for every woman... Having respect for women, children, and everyone around you does not emasculate a man.

Yes of course lack of visiting ladies is a theme across Canada. , I tour extensively and if I visit a city with cancellations and no shows, guess what ? I won't return . Gentlemen invite and coax ladies to tour their city and we answer your call. Many times we spend a lot of money to visit your city only to be told wrong location, is not good for them or just to busy to visit. I understand that every gent has his taste and I realize I may not be for everyone. However when several of my friends from every age group and demographic report the same I feel there is a problem. To those poor gents that have booked with ladies that were a no show or worse I offer my sympathies. The only advice I can offer is ask your fellow \Cerb members and make the best decision you feel is intelligent.

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I don't have much to say on the rights and wrongs of this that hasn't already been said. However, if you'll permit me a slight digression... this illustrates two things that I find interesting, both of which are a product of the increasingly interconnected world we live in. The first is the permanence of everything. I have no doubt that douchebag guys have been having conversations like this since time immemorial, but until very recently they'd have been just that - conversations. Even if they were overheard and reported to others by someone, they could just be denied and nothing could ever be proven. But now... much social intercourse occurs online, and what happens online tends to be a lot more permanent and provable than many people think. And this means that people can't get away with things that could have escaped unremarked and unpunished even a few years ago. The second is the ever-increasing speed of social change. Look at how long it took for racism to go from the idea that it might not be OK, to the point where it had become socially unacceptable in polite society. Then look at the speed of the same transition for homophobia (quicker, I think), and in more recent years - or even months - the increased awareness of trans folks and the discrimination they face, and the kind of thing we're talking about here. It's becoming ever-easier for those who wish to speak out to do so, to find support, and to get the message out to the world that the assumptions people make and the things that people do without thinking very hard about it actually do real harm to real people. We live in interesting times!

You keep talking about a lynching...what lynching??? The Dalhousie Code Of Student Conduct http://www.dal.ca/dept/university_secretariat/policies/student-life/code-of-student-conduct.html Take a look at the PDF document, specifically Offences Against Person. Clearly what these thirteen men did constitute at a minimum sexual harassment, threats of sexual assaults, harassment based on sex just to name a few. A lynching, give me a break. From the Merriam Webster Dictionary "to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal sanction" What is happening here hardly rises to the level of a lynching. Not even in the same ballpark. In fact using the term is beyond insulting to the memories of those who really were lynched RG

If you are in compliance with the lady's requirements and do not overstep boundaries (asking too many personal questions, sharing too many personal stories with her where she might not feel comfortable, insisting on off-the-clock extended conversing/texting or email, trying to stay over-time or enticing her to stay over time or meet off the clock for free, etc.) there is no reason why you should feel you are taking advantage of her. If you are getting a certain level of intimacy and other stimulation met through the time you spend with an SP without any unrealistic expectations, then I'd say you have a good arrangement. If you feel you are not totally satisfied and crave more, then you might be putting unrealistic expectations on the client/SP relationship. I understand some men do not want to pursue a dating relationship because for whatever reason they don't want the commitment that goes along with it. But you can't expect an SP no matter how gracious she is or how well you connect and get along with her, to give you access to her personal life, or her heart so to speak. Just because we are being paid does not mean we are there just for the money, but I would never want a client to think or expect it may develop into anything more. In some instances, a client and SP may click in the romance department and end up together as a couple, but it's not realistic for a client to see SPs hoping that will happen for him. I am not suggesting that is what you are doing, I'm just putting it out there, that if you think you are taking advantage of someone, ask yourself what you are doing that is perhaps making you feel guilty. I suggest you do a self-check, and if necessary, ask a provider you have been with who you trust who has the maturity to be honest and ask them if there is anything they have observed in your approach or behaviour that might be off putting. Little things that might not seem like such a big deal can something make others feel uncomfortable. Doesn't mean it can't be corrected.

It kind of funny that someone could argue a breach of privacy based on such a flimsy argument of an agreement to join a private facebook group but want to ignore a written policy of the university (code of employee conduct) that they consented to when then applied to attend the university. Kinda self serving to only want to apply agreements that are in your favor. If they did not want to be held accountable under the code they should have not studied at the university. This dummies went a step further and implicated the university in their stupidity by naming the group as they did. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

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Your mileage may vary, as they say. To return to the original point of this thread... quite apart from the money issue, remember that when you pay to see Alotta Fagina, what you're getting is... what you want (or at least, what she thinks you want). It's not that what you see is fake or unreal, necessarily, but... Alotta won't spend the first half-hour with you unloading about the horrible morning she had, even if she did. She won't say she's tired and she'd rather not, even if that's the case. She won't bring you her problems, because that's not what you're there for. So, when you're thinking about what you feel about her, remember that behind the Alotta Fagina you think of so fondly, there's another person who you've never met. Of course, that doesn't mean you can't maintain cordial relations outside scheduled appointments... but it's better not to trespass upon her time more than she's happy with (and how much that is may vary enormously) and it's unwise to assume that it'll lead to anything more, even if that may happen very occasionally.

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If you are smart enough to get into Dental School you should be smart enough to understand that "privacy and facebook" don't really go together... if you post it on facebook you should be willing to accept the fact that anyone may see it And when they do there might be consequences. If these gentlemen want to take legal action against their fellow student who broke the impenetrable privacy they established I will just say... good luck with that. When I entered into this hobby and hid it from my wife and others I understood that there where risks and serious consequences if I was caught but I continued knowing this. If I am outed now as you suggest I certainly will be mad at the individual who outed me but I somehow doubt my wife or the divorce court judge would give much credence to my argument that my privacy right had been breached and therefore I should not be held accountable for my actions. You are right we probably all have thought we would not want to publicly declare... that's why we don't declare them publicly... that's why we don't post them to a facebook group... it's call common sense. See note above about being actually responsible and accountable for our own actions. I don't give a rates a...ss what most people think of my actions but do hold myself fully accountable if my actions hurt others especially the people I love. My position on this all along has been to let the process that the university has in place proceed... the only question in my opinion is what is the appropriate recourse and to be honest that is hard to know based on the limited info we have. Two words... Personal Accountability Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

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Well, to be blunt, they are there because of the exchange that you do. But then, so are you. You wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the exchange, in other words this is a mutually beneficial arrangement. There is nothing wrong with mutually beneficial arrangements between consenting adults. Most sps do this because they are people who are able to be morally open minded. They wouldn't last long if they are judgmental, or if they were self judgmental for their choices. Many clients are also morally openminded, and non judgmental. It is possible to share time with people that are friendly, fun and seemingly intimate, but are really only sharing conversation in a nonthreatening environment. This is a good thing, and will benefit you in your everyday life. Take and enjoy the experiences, and the sharing, and don't try to put a label on it. I assure you that the majority of sps do not feel taken advantage of in these mutually beneficial arrangements, they will only feel that way if something changes in the agreed upon exchange.

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A few months ago a dentist in Winnipeg was convicted of numerous sexual assaults of unconscious boys. It happens. How can you deny it?

.You certainly can't blame a lady for not including cities on her tour schedule that have proven unprofitable in the past... that said I think it is also important for ladies to also realize that in some smaller market cities it is often feast or famine with either no top level touring ladies or so many in such a short time that you just can't afford to see them all. In the case of St. John's many ladies only want to visit in the summer (believe me i understand why lol I live here lol) when perhaps the market would be better in February when few tour here. Ok ok... maybe I am just saying that to entice a few ladies to visit lol Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

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@bcguy42 yes, I read most of the article. Although I do consider some of the points mentioned there somehow interesting/important, my reason to post the link as was the cleaning the machine part, some don't realize how important it is or don't think it gets mold and bacteria which not only is disgusting, it can make people sick.

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There wouldn't even be a debate if this groups were talking about violent actions against a particular race. Because it is gender based we are supposed to excuse the content of the matter because it was supposed to be a private group and/or private joke. However, sharing this info undermines the women and other students in this class. Now the 'boyz' are snickering at them behind the scenes, and every time one interacts with a female student, he is reminded of Guy#2's rape jokes or accusations of her using her wiles to get better grades or perks. Whether or not she knows about this stuff is irrelevant, her interactions with these male students is still affected by their socalled private activities. And saying it was supposed to be private, and we'll blame whoever leaked it out? Ok, so someone actually does the right thing after how many months or years, but he's the problem here because he won't stand for it happening. He's ashamed or outraged or bothered or whatever, gives the info outing this hate group, embarassed as well because those creeps decided he was also a creep, based on his gender and nothing else. I don't accept the excuse of a private FB group (an oxymoron at best), because if any of those same guys started email campaign or texting to each other, these interactions between each other would be considered, according to the law. 'private' because they are just between friends. However, that 'assumption of privacy' can still be exposed. No one who exposes wrong doing should be blamed for sharing presumed private info. There are a lot of things that go on in the world that if someone didn't expose the wrong doing would still be happening. Additional Comments: It's not so much that a private group should not expect privacy, it is that a private group that is set up to express hate towards a particular group, not to mention a little slander here and there, should not expect protection. The slander I refer to the accusations that the (or some) female students were using their gender-specific-qualities to get better grades, additional time, and/or special attention from the instructors. In this case, the contents of that private group were breaking the university code of conduct, as well as common decency, according to whoever gained access and exposed it all. You only have to read the excerpts to realize that they did the right thing. Saying there is something wrong with doing that, is like saying it would be wrong for an actual rape victim to report the rape, cuz the perp had a reasonable expectation of privacy. Or that threats sent via text or email shouldn't be reported because the person sending it thought the conversation was a private one. Additional Comments: In which case, you seem to agree both that the 'private' FB should have been exposed (as in should not have been left private) and that the contents of the FB page were in violation of code of conduct at the very least. In order to have rehabilitation, there is first the fact they did something wrong and it was a good thing they were exposed for it. If that is what you are saying I agree. I think they should bear the consequences of their actions. It is the only way they will learn. Clearly they did not learn anything along the way to their mid 20s manhoods to not have done this in the first place. It is also clear they do not want the women in the class, resent them and are somewhat fearful of their presence. They want to 'knock them down a peg', get them beneath their feet at least in their minds, and diminish them in some way. And that is the heart of this, bitter resentment and lashing out, and if they do this online, it still begs the question, they think this is OK online, it means they will always think it is OK online. But maybe also going further. If they are not faced with real and serious consequences, whatever it may be it isn't just a suspension and not having to deal with their vicitms, then this as a learning lesson will be lost. not just for themselves, but for other uni students, the general public, and the women

I hear you ... but I think that's a lame excuse. Here's why. My son did something really stupid in grade nine. Nobody was hurt, but I suppose someone could have been. Regardless, the act was irresponsible, and although not criminal, most certainly not acceptable in a school setting. He was expelled for the remainder of the semester. His academics suffered. He was shamed. He was punished. In grade nine. 13 years old.

when did they regress into kids? I thought these were fourth year university students. On one hand we're accused of emasculating the western man, and on the other we're overreacting to a bunch of silly kid behaviour.

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First, are they being denied the chance to explain themselves? It would be nice to hear their side of the story. They are the ones choosing to be silent, and not explain themselves. So all we have to go on is the CBC story and the FB posts. Second was their privacy really invaded? They used social media...social media gets it name for a reason. Only a fool would believe that what is posted on the internet is really private irrespective of the settings on your FB account. The minute you share your thoughts with anyone on the internet you give up any control of privacy. The only way for your private thoughts to remain private is to share them with nobody Third, as of yet, no one, I believe is treating what these guys did as criminal...I may be wrong here. The university is reviewing their status as students and they may not graduate, and Ontario wants the names of those students in case they try to get licenced in Ontario as dentists. It sounds more like some are being proactive, showing concern for possible future patients (and maybe victims)...but that is not the same as treating them as criminals, with arrests, prosecutions and possible incarcerations Fourth, yes it is words they are being judged on. Prejudicial, far from it though. Everyone gets judged on their words. A person's words reflect a person's thoughts. And his/her thoughts control his/her actions. And a person controls what he/she says. These "men" freely chose to post those words, so how can one say it is now prejudicial that those words are used to judge them. With all that being said, wouldn't the university and various licencing bodies, be it Nova Scotia, Ontario or whichever be negligent not taking action under current circumstances. If they allowed these students to graduate and the licencing agencies licenced them, and subsequently they did drug and rape a patient what sort of liability would they face. Put another way, doesn't the university and licencing agencies have a duty to protect future possible patients from students they know have expressed thoughts of drugging and raping women. RG

The issue that I have with the Original poster is that he mentions "restorative approach" to work with the women affected/targeted. Some of these women had no idea they were being targeted. And even if they did find out, part of the restorative justice approach is ensuring the victim's interests are protected without being harmed. How do we know that these women would be negatively affected through participation? From a public perspective, the school has a lot to lose by not suspending even in the interim the men involved. And no comparing what women say about men is not comparable as the effects are not the same; effects like misogyny which contribute to violence against women (like rape!). All of this considering the larger narrative of how these comments affect women's rights. Considering the men's interests, I think some sort of shaming/public apology which is informed by the effects of their actions would have been helpful. They don't lose out on their education but still receive some sort of punishment. Suspension doesn't really address the issue as to how their actions hurt the school community and women--this isn't an isolated incident occurring on one campus.

Good grief. I'm sickened that people really think this was ok. We don't need rape culture to win wars... not that China and Russia have a goddam thing to do with this. I'm actually really, really glad they were stupid enough to post it all on a facebook group that included the school's name. Morons deserve all they've got coming and then some.

A dentist is empowered to administer powerful anaesthetics to patients. An unconscious patient is at the mercy of that dentist. And the dentist is responsible for the safety of that patient. This is a much more srious responsibility than most face and we have every right to hold these professionals to a higher standard than a group of office workers in a lunchroom. Dentists have been convicted of sexually assaulting patients that were under anaesthetic. This is not some hypothetical possibility...it is a documented reality. Joking about it on facebook shows they are stupid. Joking about at all suggests they are unfit to be trusted around unconscious patients.

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I disagree. Lots of us use BP as another way to advertise. However, if BP is the ONLY site, then I would be concerned. That's why using cerb AND Google helps to weed out the fly by nights. Do your research when visiting anyone.

Well said Angela! Took the words out of my mouth:) I can also reiterate, that perhaps you are asking too many questions of a personal nature with her? I too, get very uncomfortable with that, and it could cause a small wedge between us. Keep conversation fun and lively, with humor and yes some serious chats is intriguing as well. But if you begin to dive into her personal relationship questions, such as " well doesn't he mind that you do this? Or " how to hide it from your kids?" well it would defiantly a loss of romance and adventure for the lady. One element many men miss, is that most ladies, when preparing for our date we switch into out alter ego. Much like an actor would. I call it " Sophiafied" lol...So by getting into deep personal questions, I loose my alter ego and get into my "me" mode and then I find it difficult to jump back into the sexy, seductive creature that I created for "Sophia" It is not a lie of who we are, but a more pronounced version of our sexy side. Another aspect to be an escort, is that for the most part we are givers by nature. This means, we much rather you spill your stress and worries on us if you need to talk about things in your life that are upsetting for you. Often lending an ear and shoulder if needed. I have had many of my dear clients unload their worries on me. Some heartbroken and shed a tear. But as a professional, I would never do this to a client. Never would I unload my inner most vulnerabilities. Because, we are here for YOU, you are the center of our attention and focus during our time together. So why do we all that? Well for my ownself, I truly love my work, and although "Sophia" is an alter ego, she is still another version of who the real me is. So in staying true to my real self being a giver it is not just a façade. I have a friend, the poor guy is so sweet and nice but always becomes the "friend or just like a brother" from most ladies he meets. But you see, when he meets ladies he wants to dive into their ways of thinking. Becoming like a confidant to them, helping them threw issues.....then before you know it, he missed the mark on when to make the move on them, and now is viewed" oh your just like a brother to me". So as you can see it also can happen in the "real world" too. But in our professional mutually beneficial escort relations, it can happen much more quickly to loose that moment. And that's when you begin to feel like your being "used" or vis versa. There certainly times, even with a good provider that chemistry just doesn't seem to be there. Not much can be done about that but try to enjoy the time and move on. And certainly there are providers that will make you feel like just a wallet rather then a man, that is a live and learn scenario. Maybe think of it this way, when you book time with a lady, think of it as your "man's spa day". It is just a retreat for you to treat yourself. Nothing more then a way to relax and have that human contact.

Really great article, Nathalie! :) Thank you so much for sharing! (I know this is an old thread, but it seems to have gotten some new life!) Like others, I was also able to relate to the explanations written. A few years ago, I thought it was weird to want to be alone so often, but now I am comfortable with just doing what feels right. I have traced part of this back to growing up as an only child. I had friends, but it's not the same as having other siblings in the house at all times. I figure that I became accustomed to often being alone and having my own privacy, finding ways to entertain myself, and learning to be comfortable with a calm and relaxed atmosphere. I've never felt that I need people around all the time to be happy, and in fact, I feel quite the opposite. And when there is people around, it doesn't have to be constant interaction. When I reflect on being an SP, and consider my personality and lifestyle, it just really all fits together. I do like people, but in a quiet, private setting, and for a short while. I get my necessary physical human contact, my intimate needs are met, I have enough social time with others, yet it's in the perfect sized small doses. And then I get my adequate time to myself :) For me, it is a perfect balance. I wonder if there is also some sort of connection with introverts and animals. It seems logical that the company and presence of an animal would often be preferred by an introvert, as opposed to the company of another person. I feel that way, at least. I adore the companionship of my dog and cats, in a way that another person could never substitute.

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Being an SP is like being in the Mafia. Deny, deny, deny is often the name of the game for many as SPs and hobbyists. I'm sure many SPs who have friends and family who know but outside of that, no one knows the secret. Looking over my shoulder is something I've learned to deal with in my time as an SP. Bad clients, stalkers, jealous competition or just plain haters. They are all out there...Take me as I am and accept who I am as a person and not what I do for a living.. otherwise you won't be included in my life. I am a mature enough woman and have come to realize over the years that I do not need approval from anyone but myself to tell me I'm a good or bad person. I know better... Your job does NOT define who you are as a person whether it is morally acceptable in society or not. We all do what we do for various reasons. People can talk but unlike the Mafia, I can't shut them up or shoot them. In some cases, I wish I could! lol. So carry on...