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Tom wanted me to keep you in the loop, he lost hand eye coordination totally this morning, and his speech became very slurred. Told me to pass on he was not even drinking! Seems peaceful at the moment. Promised him I would post on his behalf when he succumbed to this vicious disease Charles

Ladies, I know a lot of us have the "rates are non-negotiable" disclaimer on our websites but I think we should edit it to: "I will be happy to negotiate a new rate with you only when you are offering above and beyond what I have already listed on my site. Otherwise, thank you for your interest and good luck in your search."

If I'm in the mood to even reply to reduced rates, the conversation goes something like this. Him hey baby, u so fly. How much? Me thank you. My rate is $X. Him I only have $X. Me oh, you want the Pw experience. Him oh, what's Pw experience? Me the Pissed Wife Experience. You come over, I'm in my baggy flannel pjs and hand you an infant in dirty diapers. Dr. Phil is playing on the TV, and I keep the remote. I disappear for a while then come out dressed to the nines. You think wow, she's hot. I then put on my coat and tell you I should be back by closing time and have fun baby boy. That's if I'm feeling like replying. However, most times I ignore your calls. For those guys that post things like "anyone heard from X? She doesn't answer my texts," this might be a clue if you tried to negotiate. After all, it doesn't hurt to ask right?

I would say i would be happy to negotiate with someone who actually understands what negotiation is: it means you offer me a lower rate and I offer you less time/services. All too often the haggler is only interested in getting a lower rate, and offers absolutely nothing in exchange to get a lower rate. Some do not have a 45 minute rate, I do, however if I did not and someone thought the hour rate too high, then a proper negotiation would be to ask me can i do 45 minutes at a rate lower than the hour, and more than the half hour. Of course, why not, you are attempting to actually compromise and come up with a solution agreeable to both of us. however if i have found the majority of hagglers want to get the hour session at the half hour rate, and make sure that not only do they get what is normally offered, but additional services as well. The first thing I think of when someone is about to offer me less than what I quote, is that he will be one of those. If you want to negotiate go ahead, but keep in mind that negotiators and hagglers are never considered good clients, or valued regulars. If you do not mind being on their short list of people they would automatically choose not to see if anyone else contacts them in the meantime, then go ahead and dicker down the rate. If you think you are going to be welcome for repeat visits at the haggled down rate, you will be sadly mistaken Expect to be shuffled out the door without a end of session shower. Expect to see yourself going in for the hour, but door to door you are at 45 mnutes. Expect that, because that is actually what you paid her for, a lower rate = 45 minutes of her time. or 20 minutes if paying a reduced rate on a half hour session. escorts have ways of making sure you get what you pay for, one way or the other. Be wary of the ones who agree to a lower rate, it is extremely likely they are agreeing because the main thing some want from a haggler is to separate him from his money for his disrespect. if he feels shortchanged by the experience, that is entirely on him. Hopefully he will have learned his lesson by his own mistakes.

I'm not sure I have much new to add and I haven't posted in a while, but in discussions like this I think it's worth adding one's opinion as support if nothing else. One can hope that if enough people voice the same opinion then others may be less inclined to a certain behaviour. So let me say that no, this is not a relationship where negotiating is either polite or productive. The most you can accomplish for the sake of a couple bucks is many ladies losing their opinion of you, wasting some people's time, and even if one does successfully badger...sorry, negotiate, a ladies' rates down then chances are you've also reduced the quality of the time you'll spend with each other. Would you really want to be with someone who basically told you they don't think your time is worth what you say it is? There's are certainly reasons men negotiate, and it can be interesting to discuss those (and perhaps this post is a sidetrack since the OP was asking about "why" and not whether it's OK). But it's important to keep in mind that just because there's reasons people behave a certain way doesn't make it right.

Thank you Charles, very kind of you. Even in his darkest days he keeps his humor, so amazing. Hug him for me please. A stranger in the beginning, a friend in the end never did you turn away never did you bend even in your darkest days you'd reach out to say something nice, something funny in your own special way you typify a gentle man, you humble me so even amidst adversity and against a callous foe with humor as your weapon you gallantly fought never withering to pity or a depressing thought stay strong, be brave, I'm here for you friend forever, always and to the end.

That usually plays it's self out in the economy through a reduction in demand and then a response by suppliers to reduce their selling price for the good or service in order to increase sales... in very few industries does it play itself out in a negotiation over price. The Oil Patch worker does not go into the restaurant and suggest the steak is now too expensive he / she purchases something cheaper or goes to a lower cost restaurant or he just eats at home. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

I've never tried to negotiate. Partially because I feel it is rude to do so when it comes to a personalized service. I work with the public at times and hagglers drive me crazy.... a personal bias of course. Plus, this is not a generic commodity we are talking about. These ladies are giving of themselves in a most personal (and greatly appreciated) way. Mainly I don't however because it seems counter productive to my goal of an intimate experience where I feel she is as into it as I am. "Hey baby. I don't think you are worth as much as you think you are worth. By the way, are you turned on yet?" That doesn't mean price doesn't ever play a factor for me in my decisions. I have a play budget I try to stick to. Just that I would never ask. That's just me though. Others may view things differently. I also notice that in these conversations that inevitably someone brings up the fact that some ladies have specials from time to time. This is completely different in my opinion. It is a calculated business decision based on temporarily mitigating the slower times. It is their choice to do so and sometimes a sound business practice. Most businesses do this in some manner or another. Asking for a deal when none is offered just seems presumptuous to me. I'm probably the guy who pays too much for many things that I could be beating people down on, but life is to short for that in my opinion. My time is worth more than that to me. Twenty bucks should not be the deciding factor when it comes to intimacy. Just my thoughts on the subject. Mikey

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I don't want to sound like I'm trying to tell you how to run your life/business (he says, as he does just that) but it strikes me that this level of control is the sort of thing that's hard to achieve on any website run by another person or organization. My gut feeling is that this is the sort of thing that's best done on your own website, where you're completely in control of who has access to what.

While I certainly agree that we should not negotiate i'm not sure it's fair to paint all men who use BP as bottom feeders... You are probably right that it attracts a higher percentage of less than desirable clients but it is also used by decent men especially in smaller markets where the main advertising venue for touring ladies is BP. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

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Sometimes, age becomes or can be unimportant, especially when the chemistry is there and there's a strong connection... have you ever felt that? This being said, I find that maturity, experience and wisdom are very attractive (in both men and women for me) ;)

I'm sorry to disagree. It's known throughout the business that negotiating is frowned upon and disliked. Although I agree with your reasoning, this business is a luxury, not a necessity and unique to others. So, respectfully, if anyone can't afford it then do without until they can. If some are offering specials then take advantage of those specials. We list our rates for a reason, and that reason is because that is what we've determined we need to meet our costs of doing business, anyone asking for less makes us feel that they think we aren't worthy, or other negative thoughts. So even if asked politely, I still think it rude.

Been seeing Jenna for a while now, and thought that it would be a great idea to give this beauty a sweet review. Right from the get go, you feel right at home and comfortable with her. She's a gorgeous girl with a beautiful face, awesome body and even awesomer smile. She's really down to earth and makes you feel relaxed and welcomed from the get go. She offers a great massage and relaxes you from start to finish. I can guarantee that one visit with her, and you'll be wanting to see her more and more. If you ever have the chance, don't miss it, cause she's awesome.

I recently saw my first 'no kissing' companion and I have to say, while it didn't COMPLETELY ruin the experience, I'll definitely be avoiding that situation in the future. I was actually surprised by how much it bothered me. I guess I had taken it for granted in the past and hadn't thought about it too much. It wasn't something that was discussed up front so I had no way of knowing. I just found it awkward and uncomfortable. Apparently I'm a really kissy guy because I constantly found myself just instinctively going in to kiss and then having her turn away. It was a kind of rejection and it made me feel bad, first of all just because I like to kiss (obviously) but worse, it made me feel like I was being a pest or trying to get her to do something she wasn't comfortable with. It truly was just habitual and instinctive so I kept having to catch myself which really put a damper on the whole thing. It's a shame because otherwise, I really liked her and if it weren't for that, I'd see her again in a heartbeat. All I know is that now it's one more thing on my list of questions to ask before meeting someone new.

I just thought of another one - Just to have sex with a hot lady while another lady just relaxes and watches...It would also be cool for her to throw in the occasional word of approval/encouragement with what she's seeing :)

Yeah, it's more about chemistry, and you never really know that until you're in the moment. That being said, I'm always a bit more cautious with younger women because I feel the risk is higher. To generalize a bit, I think they are more likely to not understand how to be discrete, to not know how to put on a condom properly, to be into drugs, or to be working for a pimp. Not always, but in nearly every aspect of life, with maturity comes a bit of risk aversion, and more mature SP's side step a lot of these risky habits. Also, if you're visiting a 20 year old SP then you're generally there for the 20 year old body. Some know they're trading on that only and it's enough to make a living, so they don't offer much more during the date. Experienced ladies know that the body might trigger a first visit, but personality, chemistry, and overall quality of the experience will bring repeat visits. I'm much more likely to call on a mature SP's hospitality a second time.

Are you just looking for a genuine RMT, or are you looking for extras that you can get the insurance company to pay for? If the former, that's fine. If the latter, it's a bad idea. Any RMT found to be offering any sort of sexual service will be thrown out by whatever the professional body is, and therefore won't be a RMT any more. And since insurance companies don't cover that either, any claim you might make would be fraud, which would get you into a whole pile of crap if they ever found out.

That's just not my thing, I'm afraid. Last time I saw someone I spent quite a long time checking out her snatch, and we then moved on to some experimentation with jerk techniques, with very satisfying results. Weightlifting is way more fun than basket-weaving :)

I negotiated recently ...... my bad I had booked an extended date and I wanted to bring some eats to have something to wash down with the Vino I wanted burgers and she wanted a healthy chicken burger. After a short negotiation I delivered chicken burgers .... ;)

Yes there are two new grads walking around this morning, with outstanding camel toes. Their nipples were pointed skyward, so I guess it is very cold outside. My new found "friend" from across the hall, came over and shared a glass of gin last night. She goes on full bed rest (odd thing to say when you don't do much all day but lay around!) today, she does not expect to be around much longer. Spoke about sex and positions favourited by each other (odd I know, speaking about sex with someone I barely know). She was too weak and sore to jump on the bed and sit on my face, and I have too many wires attached to go down on her. So she gave me a show, gave me a kiss good night and wandered back to her room. Have not seen the other two, so my options are dwindling fast. Ya, like I have options! Anyway enjoy Super Bowl, have an orgy, drink lots and don't drive. hopefully have another update on tuesday TheLiquor Tom

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Some guys may negotiate but I think it's pretty much frowned upon in the community as a whole A lady choosing to lower her rates is not the same as a guy dickering her price down. And many ladies do clearly state no negotiating on their websites. And just my opinion, but negotiating in this lifestyle must be demeaning to a lady. In what other businesses is the person the business and the person is intimate with her client? Negotiating, well haggling, must make the lady feel cheapened Here are just a few threads on the topic http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=125152&highlight=negotiating and http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=141558&highlight=negotiating Anyhow, a quick morning rambling from a non negotiator RG

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Forget basket weaving and weightlifting. Had an encounter with a lady. Hotel room was on a high floor btw. And she gave me skydiving lessons. No details, except to say that night gave a whole new meaning to the phrase "hitting the silk" RG

Problem with the blocked profiles, and JMO, is those with blocked profiles look at those members' profiles who aren't blocked. Kind of a one way street (and yes, I've had my profile read by those with blocked profiles) There is an expectation of openness from others by those with blocked profiles How many times do we read on ladies' websites, not to mention etiquette sections, No Blocked Numbers Same principal applies here JMO And only what you put on your profile is what is going to be seen...no one is asking for your home phone and address...and photos, entirely up to you Anyhow, a rambling RG

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What makes me happy? Many things! On top of my list is during social dancing, when I ask a girl to dance and her shy smile transforms itself in joyful, happy laughters as we dance :)

Dogs!! In this I'm just like Cristy. Dogs are awesome little bundles of liveliness, affection, alertness, curiosity, devotion, and even forgiveness. I love my own dogs, and meeting (most) new dogs. And on a cold winter's afternoon or evening, they also force me to go outside for a walk when I might otherwise stay in -- which I'm sometimes grumpy about when preparing, but never regret once I'm out there. Which is the other thing that make me happy: a brisk Canadian winter's day (provided you're dressed for it) on a path through the woods with fresh snow all around. And especially that moment when you appreciate not being stuck in a home or office, preoccupied and away from the world, with your head in a computer screen... and instead take a long, deep breath of real fresh air. Joy!

For me, about February-time is when winter starts losing its charm, so looking at Eva's latest pics made me very happy! I don't know which is more enticing, the subject or the location! Ultimately, what makes me happy is freedom, as much freedom as I can squeeze from this increasingly clutching world.

In case you missed this thread, negotiating of lyla ladies in only acceptable if she posts it is acceptable. http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=141558

Nothing can bring a smile to my face any quicker than a dog, they are pure joy in a hairy package:) Soulfully speaking, being loved is the real meaning of happiness for me and I'm sure for many. When you know you are truly loved by someone then it's hard not to be happy. Laughter as well, I was at the gym yesterday and a couple of girls were laughing hysterically at something on their phone, the laughter was contagious, it made me happy. It is easy to find, smile, say something nice to someone, or do someone a favor. I guarantee in those you'll find happiness:) Or eat something yummy, food brings me happiness, lots of food:)

why don't you call her and set up a session then you can tell us the positive feedback. play safe have fun cheers

I think we all get bits and spurts of all types of client issues. The site you mentioned has always served me well so I don't think it is to blame. Nor do I think there is any rhyme or reason for it. Some people are just born negotiators and even when they know better they'll still haggle. I'd suggest putting "no Negotiating" in your ads, if you haven't already, but those same guys probably wouldn't read it, lol. Hang in there, it'll pass:)

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I've seen women of all ages, but the ones over 30 seem to the best experience. i've seen several in their 40's. They had better bodies then women in their 20's. But they were more experienced and relaxed in their sessions. They are more open and experienced. They know what they want and how to please a man. Some of the girls offer physical pleasure, but not the sensual and emotional pleasure that an older woman brings. But it depends on the maturity of the woman. I've met some girls that were very mature for their age and enjoy there work and went out of there way to please me. But in general older women seem to offer the type of experience and older gentleman like myself desires :)

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I dont think the forum suports what you want... One solution is a link to a private twitter account where only friends can view. Then keep information on here limited but it would be public. The only downfall is for thouse who dont have a twitter account. Does make things difficult but it works and keeps your info private to whom you choose.

I'm naming two- Nicolette- because I find her to be respectful to all, thoughtful, gives very good advice and radiates sincerity, kindness, femininity and beauty. Emily J- can they get any cuter! She is resourceful, intelligent and a very giving member to this community and profession. We are all lucky to have her. She has always been forthright with me, kind, genuine and thoughtful. Thank you Emily for being you.

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Made it to KW, this respite place is clean and comfortable. I am the youngest male here, but there are four women in their forties. One across the hall is not hooked up to anything or anyone I think and wears short shorts where her butt shows, and nice white tops with no bra. Thinking, while I can, that I may need to join her for a drink tonite and determine if my tongue likes the new environment! No camel toes to report on yet Great pain killers Peace

I've recently met a few new women lately that did not kiss. Sessions were good, but not as much fun with out the kissing and cuddling. But the last girl, that I had saw for the second time, was a awesome kisser and to be able kiss and cuddle after the main event was great. It makes the difference between a good session and a great session. Without kissing there cannot be true intimacy between a man and a woman. I've had a few older men pm me about which women kissed and cuddled. And most of them had said that they would be happy with just the kissing and cuddling. It's something that us older men miss and need sometimes.