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Here is how I see it: If I go and see a massage therapist, I will not negotiate their rate. If I go and see a psychologist, I will not negotiate their rate. We are in the "human" services, that can be considered both as a luxury and as a necessity, as much as the previous professions mentioned are. If my service is to offer you all in one appointment: my time, my educated and sensitive personality, my ability to listen to you, my intelligence to know when to speak and when not to, my delicate touch and much more than that, which is precious, then if you still need to negotiate, you need to re-think about what an escort and their services mean to you.

So I am 31 years old, newly married and my wife is suffering from long term mental illness. She has always struggled with depression and anxiety but things have really taken a turn for the worst over the last 12 months. She currently on stress leave from work and is seeing a doctor and a psychologist. It all seems to help a bit but no silver bullets yet and things remain hard. Basically living with this is what pushed me to start seeing escorts and massage providers. For the last 12 months everything has fallen on me, cooking, cleaning, caring for the pets, taking her to all her appointments and handling all the money issues that arise from going down to one income. This was all combined with the need to always be the positive one and never, ever show if I am sad or mad about something. Seeing escorts is a break. For an hour every month my life didn't have to be about caring for someone else, it could be about me. I really think that this release was the only way that I stayed sane. Take tonight, we are booking tickets to go stay with some family we have somewhere warm. This is a luxury for us because, as I mentioned, the wife is not working right now. Instead of being happy that we are going to get away somewhere warm, she is depressed and teary that we can't afford to go businesses class. I have no idea how do deal with this. I am doing the best I can not to show anger as it will send her into a depressive episode that could last days. So instead I fake positivity and try to distract her with tea and pet talk. Hopefully her mood improves before we go. Anyway I started this thread because I felt it might help to write about stuff as it happens. I am going to keep adding to it as I feel the need.

I second that! I would like to thank the people who offer new perspectives and voices outside of the 'normal'. Although sometimes people are quick to tell you how wrong you are for thinking the way do, there are people here who value and appreciate these opposing views. It's a good way to have a discussion or debate. Besides, if everyone agreed on everything, we wouldn't have anything interesting to talk about or learn from.

The start of my b-day weekend celebrations start tonight with a road trip and lots of champagne....

Some things that may be of help for both of you. If you can, talk to her doctor's. Some medication only works for a short time for some people. Maybe she needs a medication change. Some times multiple medications are required. Exercise is very important for many medications to be most effective. If you are in the Ottawa area, see if the doctor's can get her a referral to the Royal Ottawa Mental Healthcare Hospital. They have some great in and out patient programs and services. This is covered by OHIP if you do not have private insurance. They even have support services for you. CBT or Cognitive Behavior Therapy can be a big help, but it takes lots of work on her part. Believe it or not, getting out of the house for daily walks together would be a big lift to her mood. http://www.theroyal.ca/ I have suffered from depression and other mental health issues for most of my life. I have been on dozens of different medications before they finally found me a good fit.

I know exactly what you mean and it is 100% true that there are people like that.

Denying or lying about your feelings is only a temporary fix, and, as you've said, is causing you additional stress. Would you consider a couple's therapy session, with the aim to help both of you communicate more effectively? It can be exhausting to be the sole support, whether that is physically, emotionally, and/or financially, whether the causes are physical or mental illness. It's okay to have these feelings. It's okay to take care of yourself. There is support out there for both you as a family member, and your wife. In Ottawa we have the Psychiatric Survivors of Ottawa, which is peer-led and offers supports to both individuals experiencing mental health issues and their family members (WRAP programs and peer support). They also have quite a number of links to supports like the Mood Disorders Support and CMHA. As Jafo has said, there is also the Royal Ottawa, which can be an excellent resource, but usually does have a long waiting list for referrals. If that is something you might be interested, it is always easier to get on the waiting list and change your mind or not need it later, than to try and get that support when you or your wife is in crisis. There is also the Mental Health Crisis Line (613-722-6941) and the Distress Centre Line (613-238-3311). Good luck :)

Good afternoon, Thank you for such a great time back in Saint John, the 186cms of snow was a lovely welcoming touch. I am looking forward to being back in my favourite city soon. xoxo Emily

I have had a lot of good news lately and I just want to say that I am very grateful. Being grateful is the highlight of any day but I am extremely appreciative at the moment.

I'm not an SP, but a gentleman and a real gentleman would never try to negotiate a lower rate! Show them the door and kick them in the a$$ on the way out :)

Boomer01, your opinion is in the minority. To continue saying it's been happening since the beginning or it will never stop, think about it this way. There was a time in history that women could not charge their husbands with rape. If she went to the police, she was told she is the property of her husband and therefore, he could do as he pleased. The argument then was it's been this way since the dawn of time and will not change. Women were not allowed to vote. Women were not allowed to have a bank account without her husband's permission. If we allowed the feeling that it's always been this way and will never change, we would still allow this. It was when women united and said no more, the laws changed. On lyla, we DO NOT have to post no negotiation on our ads or profile. Only if we want to allow negotiations and post it on our ads or profile, is when you can approach the lady with an offer. However, my experience, is they typically are new or desperate. If you feel it is your right to negotiate, that is your opinion. However to suggest to other hobbyists that this is ok, is doing them a disservice, as they might not realize they will quickly get on the do not book list without realizing the repercussions of their "it can't hurt to ask". It always hurts the lady. Most experienced ladies have endless contacts titled "negotiator, low baller and haggler". Once I identify someone in this category, I will never answer their text, phone call or email. Even if they see the error of their ways, they've missed the opportunity to ever see me. The sticky on this indicated 97% of this community is against this practice.

Wow! I truly didn't think I'd get such a great response like this. So I'm not alone when I feel bartering my rates is so wrong! I do specials, that's when you men should take advantage if you cannot afford regular rates.. I'm not in the business of negotiations. To me it's insulting when someone asks " what can I get for 80$, 100$ ?" Nothing! And don't ever contact me again, is always my reply..

IF YOU CAN NOT GET THIS MESSAGE TO GO AWAY AFTER READING PLEASE READ THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST. ****************************************** PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE CENSORED WORDS! ****************************************** I am sure by now many of you have noticed a number of words have been added to the censor list. I know it makes the site very hard to read but instead of jumping ship and moving to another country like other adult boards are doing we have decided to instead conform to the new laws. This means 1) No one can ADVERTISE that they offer prostitution related EXTRAS if you offer this off the site that is find as long as you do not LINK to a site offering such things or offer them here. To conform to the new laws we can not to allow you to ADVERTISE such things here on cerb or advertise a website or blog or ad somewhere else that offers such things. If we find you are linking to a website from cerb that offers such things we will need to BAN your site from linking from cerb. Since people will ignore the law and try to post ads offering such things on cerb we had had to add certain keywords to the censor to ensure no one posts ILLEGAL things. Unfortunately this takes away from the discussion area. Now it is NOT illegal to discuss prostitution or related ACTS but I am not sure how the law will see it if someone is posting that they are a ESCORT (Not offering any PROSTITUTION related extras) and some guy posts saying "Oh, She did such and such with me!" (Guys like to brag when they get something extra that was not advertised....) 2) People may start to try to CIRCUMVENT these words. This will get you SUSPENDED or BANNED as you could put the website in jeopardy. Anyone seeing anyone trying to be creative (offering to do stuff like "squeeze the juice from a hot dog", "Suc the icing off a rooster" or "go in and out of grease for extended vacation" .... you get the point! Please REPORT THIS and DO NOT QUOTE IT! If you reply to it with a quote and do not report it you may also get a warning. 3) Some words are standard words such as O U T C A L L and S E R V I C E and these had to be censored as well as they could be taken the WRONG way and we are being EXTRA VIGILANT at this time to ensure cerb stays within the boundaries of this new law. 4) Use your .... people, don't brag about extra things that may or may not have happened when in private with someone. Just share that you have a nice time, you will see her again and focus on the nice things. More to come but I am asking for help with CENSOR words as well. Please report any ADVERTISEMENT posts that HINT or BLATANTLY SAY they offer PROSTITUTION RELATED EXTRAS so we can ADD to the CENSORS and protect the site. IF YOU CAN NOT MAKE THIS MESSAGE GO AWAY.... Your browser settings are probably not accepting cookies. Switch to another web browser or change your settings and see if it helps. A INCOGNITO browser will probably also cause this issue as well.

I'm very much into dating Asian women and I'm looking for one that enjoys trips to Greece, please pm any recommendations that you may have.

I've been trying to abide by the c36 law since let's face it, I'm worried. But I would like to know if anyone has faced problems so far. I'm dying to visit south point and to book with felina. Am I crazy and too paranoid? PM me your experience, hopefully it will help.

I'm new at this. I'm black 25 years old looking to be an Excort for money. I don't know how to start so post on my forum if you can help or need a picture .

I will confess that I am happy you will provide the towel... if it's ok... i will lick all the lips clean myself though :) Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

Of course I would offer you a towel, Dear Ice4fun! I confess that this post made me smile and dream... Additional Comments: Awwww... Thank you AquaTouch. I confess that it would certainly be a great pleasure to meet you. Maybe you will tell me funny stories, like the mouse one that was so cute and well written ;-)

I confess that I have an addiction.......to Lyla.com! I confess also that I was having withdrawl syndrome during the server crash! :biggrin:

Lingerie for my upcoming photo shoot.....

Today, Thursday was day 2 of my special rate for our Lyla members, the site was off line all day. So as I know some have only certain days to get away, I will extend my discount till NEXT THURSDAY!! Feb 16-20th THIS WEEKEND NOT BOOKING FOR VALENTINES DAY. Special rate applies only to Hour rates and the 90 min Spa session. $30.00 off regular rates. To qualify for this special offer please PM first. If at anytime site is down you may txt with your Lyla name please. 506 261 7313

No worries with Felina shes a well established lady with a stellar reputation!

A baby, when you kiss him/her.

There are extensive threads on both of them, just a quick read should give you the details you need to know. As for paranoid, we all should be a little but Southpointe and Felina are well known and well reviewed and will provide a much safer experience then going to a new and unreviewed person

I was hoping he would be around until the next US election, always funny watching his response to the debates and such... He will be missed. Wouldn't mind seeing John Oliver take over.

I don't think I'm playing this game right, but I had a wiener with the works for supper:)

I took a nap after work. i seldom remember my dreams but this one I did. I dreamed I saw my second oldest son and got to hug him. I have not seen or heard from him in 4 years. I miss him so much. He now has a facebook account and I saw a pic of him on there the other day. I dare not send him an email or he will block me from his account. He looks good and healthy and happy. God I miss my son

none lol, both pairs and long johns in the wash lol time to buy some more

There's way too many gorgeous girls now in Ottawa. The Spa's have so many girls now. And new ones appearing on a weekly basis. The bill doesn't seem to be keeping the women from entering the business. But the competition means the same number of dollars spread among more women. Business is slow for some, but maybe it's because it's just spread around to more women?

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FWIW there are independent medical examiners in the USA that do testing on a commercial fee for service basis. I have done this for another issue. (long story, please don't ask) The explanation of the results was very good, as good as any Canadian doctor, and not rushed. They also go into FAR FAR greater detail on several parameters than Canadian doctors.

Welcome to lyla. There are great stickies on how to do most everything. One thing to keep in mind is your profile. You have listed yourself as male, yet your handle suggests otherwise. If you made a mistake, ask mod to correct it.

The other photos in this add are Captivatingcleo. Our N.B. girls must have it going on for others to be stealing their pics! ;)

The problem with grouping people weither it's by age or by sex or by geographic location is that it usually applies that the group, whatever it is, is one homogeneous group with all the same traits and of course we know that's just not true. Now is we say more youthful ladies have less experience then that might generally be true but it would certainly not be hard to find lots that were very experienced and conversely older ladies who had less experience... for me there is no right or wrong to the question " Older or younger" it is really a question of one's individual taste. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

Ok let's think this negotiation thing through.... if we accept the fact that negotiation is a fact of life and will not go away then it would be reasonable for ladies to factor that into their business model... So if a lady calculates that based on the services she provides and the volume of clients she is willing to see and taking into account her business expenses that she needs $300 an hour to be successful then I guess when she factors in wiggle room for negotiation she should advertise $350. If she does she can "play the game" and give the guy that feeling of "winning " by getting a better price. End result the guy pays $300 like he would have if no negotiation was factored in. Of course the lady could also just leave her rate at $300 and let that smart, bargaining client beat her down to $250 and then just adjust her services so that more things have an extra charge... suddenly the $250 bargain becomes a $350 gain. In my opinion the bottom line is that bargaining is disrespectful at best and at worst is a decision by a client to take advantage of a lady who because of a challenging market, lack of confidence or financial problems is left with no choice but to give in or not have the necessities of life. I also strongly feel that it is in all clients best interest to not bargain as bargaining does not in the long run create favorable market conditions. If you think the rate is too high move on. The ladies in this industry are certainly smart enough to consider the market they are working in, the services they are provide and their own financial needs... if they price themselves out of the market then this will in the long run be self correcting. As for sales or discounts... if that price is available all the time through bargaining than in fact it is not really a sale price. There are a thousand reasons why a lady might offer a sale price and all valid business reasons it does not mean that because she does she has to sell at that price every day. In regards to people thinking their opinion is right and strongly disagreeing with others...yeah of course... if i have considered an issue and come to an opinion on it I would think I would think it was right... that does not mean others should not also express their opinions in fact I encourage them to do so it enhances the debate and educates us all. I may strongly feel your opinion is wrong but I have no problem at all with reading it Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

I know and see you are a respectful Gent, and would simply not try that " well let me negotiate and see" especially if it is written on my ad. I for one appreciate your opinion, and feel it does have relevance. But with this in mind, as you said, " some do have specials" well yes in fact I have a special right now, but with that said I also state it is for certain dates only. I do not mind offering a special rate, but respect the days I have chosen. It is very upsetting if one week after, or even a year, they say " well you gave it for this rate before, why not now" answer to that is, because I have chosen those dates. I agree with every word that Nicolet has written here. With this all said in this thread, I hope we can all stick together as adults and realize that.... 1.we ladies know our expenses, have to keep our heads above water. If our expenses and profits are not met, then we will leave the industry( or provide a lesser quality that most of ladies pride ourselves on NOT doing) and the ones who can afford to work for 60/80 hh will carry on. But then what 50? 40? might as well go to POF lol. 2. Gents who are interested in meeting a lady that has the proper time and locations prepared, without having a revolving door that will leave you feeling like your a heat score...then yes ladies like that do need a but more to run their business. And to give our clients the sessions they really want to have to feel safe, clean and secure. 3. there is no pleasing everyone, some will move on, others will complain, and those who try to badger you are just not worth your txt time.

These days I have pretty much crossed over to doing primarily massage. While I'm still a companion, I have been on the receving end of negotiating in both areas. There seems to be an overwhelming sense of entitlement and a new generation of clients that I am not accustomed to. I would have to say it's with the youinger generation which is why I have an age restriction. I'm not in my 20's anymore and do not relate to this crowd. Nothing personal. I'm older. However, in my experience most do NOT take no for an answer when rates are quoted and stated as non-negotiable. Most men who are older say thank-you, accept it and move on. This is a luxury service we are offering. It is a want, not a need in terms of basic necessities in life such as food and shelter, etc. It's a want but some think it's a need. It's a desire and forgive me if anyone is insulted by this but if a person doesn't have the cash to play then that burden should NOT be put upon the lady. It is not our problem that a person only has X amount of dollars. Would a person go to a restaurant and say I only have x amount but you better give me that steak dinner I want so bad? No! It would never happen! This is a service industry and the same applies here. However, when one person starts doing it or someone is strapped for cash and feels they have to negotiate with a client to have their certain needs met, suddenly it becomes an expectation across the board. Well it's not. When I started in this business, that didn't happen and very rarely did men negotiate. Times have changed and so has this busness. It's not about booking time to spend with someone anymorte, it's all about what they can get, how fast and for how little the amount. Sorry but true! I've been around to see the trend go from one place to further downhill. It's like going to work one day similar to someone working on cash basis day to day and having the boss tell a person "Well I can only afford to give you X amount per hour instead." How would the person on the receiving end of that feel when they show up, ready for work and being told that? Not good! That person would know the work they're willing to do for a certain amount and if it's worth it or not. When someone tries to negotiate with me, I tell them rates, are non-negotiable and have a good day. Anything beyond that such as "Please, come on!" I don't respond to. I have been threatened because of my age restrictions and because I don't negotiate. I tell them to fill their boots buddy, take a hike and to grow the hell up. I have fixed my rates that are very fair for what I am offering and also in consideration to what is going on with the economy. I used to make X amount an hour. I don't anymore. I changed that BUT it was on MY own accord. I like to think that I have enough business sense to know what the market can bear that is alignment with what I am offering. I am at a happy medium with the rates I quote and if someone thinks that is too much well too bad. They don't know what they're missing. I could be charging a lot more for the service I offer. However, there is a line I won't cross when it comes to rates and that's my own perogative. I am a professional and always have been and my services and the experience I offer reflects that. If someone wants to dispute rates then they are just out for a deal. Many do it just for the sole fact of being able to attempt to do it. I don't bother with people like that and they are not in my target market either. I advertise myself as offering an experience and the clients I see value that. For many ladies, this is their livelihood and if a person wants to negotiate and the lady has to lose x amount of dollars, be prepared to lose out on something as well. It's only fair. You ALWAYS get what you pay for. I don't negotiate with clients because I would no longer enjoy my job and there would be resentment towards them. As a result, they wouldn't be getting the service that goes above and beyond in many respects. However, that would never happen because I don't work that way and would NEVER put myself in that situation to begin with. I would rather exit the business before allowing that to happen. As soon as guys start to negotiate, I get that uneasy feeling in my stomach and I wish them well. I don't want anything to do with it. And the bottom line is if x amount of dollars as low as $20 makes a huge impact on who they see then they can't afford to play. I would tell them they need it more than I do but with negotiaters I'm sure they don't need it nor will $20 actually put a dent in the budget. It's a thrill for them to get what they want.. because they can! I choose not to play their game.

Kat, aka Alleykat, advertises mainly on CL under headings like "Sweet diversion", "Deliteful massage", etc. Some of her ads (but not all) contain a link to Alleykat's website which reveals her to be a transsexual (post-op, I believe). Not my cup of tea, but there's definitely a market for transsexual escorts/masseuses.

I confess that cristycurves dirty talk and photos are causing this site to crash!

I hope you don't mind me saying, it's very brave of you to admit this and to share. I wouldn't be to hard on yourself though, we all grieve differently and handle someone we care for dying differently. No one should judge and none of us will know how we will handle death when it comes for us until it happens. What matters is you cared. Hugs

As someone who has medical issues that affect performance I would just say that just because everything might not work quite as good or as spontaneously as it used to its not the end of the world... there is still fun to have... a wonderful lady I have seen a number of times used to remind me... It's not about the destination it's about the journey". Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

Thanks... I might just luck into a business trip to Ottawa that week should know for sure tomorrow. Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

Heart meds, like diabetes meds, definitely affect your body. First talk to the doctor about getting checked with these meds in the system to determine if you need the current strength. If possible to get the right results with less medication, that would be the ideal solution. so don't try to self medicate, even tho there are natural products out there, talk to the natural health expert, tell them what you are on, don't just buy off the shelf. if there is no solution to the strength, there are going to be body changes, your body is not going to react in the way you are accustomed to. It will be necessary for you to be able to move past the idea that it will, and be at ease with what you may end up doing instead of what you planned to do. This is the best way to continue to have fun, is to accept the limitations of what the medication is doing, and carry on in spite of it. if you plan to see an escort, plan your appt so that you are approaching taking your next pill, not that you have just taken it. this is my theory, not sure if it is accurate, but it will be in the body full power after taking it, and will be waning 2 hours before you are due to take the next one, so choose your play time in that 2 hours :) i am not a doctor and don't pretend to be one, but any experienced escort accustomed to seeing older men with a variety of health concerns are able to figure out a way to resolve any issues. It may not be what you did 2 years ago, but it can still be fun.

Although I do still go to my MD for obvious reasons, I now rely on a naturopath for any curatives. Doctors base their results on general levels, ex-my iron was low, by my DR's standards it was in normal range, my naturopath found it to be significantly low, placed me on supplements and recommended I modify my diet. This helped me a lot. Also ones moods can affect ones drive, depression in itself can kill your sexual drive. If you don't mind me saying you are far from old, in your prime actually-(40's) but the way you talk sometimes one might think you were beyond your senior years, lol. Best of luck and smile, you have a lot going for you;)

If I'm in the mood to even reply to reduced rates, the conversation goes something like this. Him hey baby, u so fly. How much? Me thank you. My rate is $X. Him I only have $X. Me oh, you want the Pw experience. Him oh, what's Pw experience? Me the Pissed Wife Experience. You come over, I'm in my baggy flannel pjs and hand you an infant in dirty diapers. Dr. Phil is playing on the TV, and I keep the remote. I disappear for a while then come out dressed to the nines. You think wow, she's hot. I then put on my coat and tell you I should be back by closing time and have fun baby boy. That's if I'm feeling like replying. However, most times I ignore your calls. For those guys that post things like "anyone heard from X? She doesn't answer my texts," this might be a clue if you tried to negotiate. After all, it doesn't hurt to ask right?

I'm not sure I have much new to add and I haven't posted in a while, but in discussions like this I think it's worth adding one's opinion as support if nothing else. One can hope that if enough people voice the same opinion then others may be less inclined to a certain behaviour. So let me say that no, this is not a relationship where negotiating is either polite or productive. The most you can accomplish for the sake of a couple bucks is many ladies losing their opinion of you, wasting some people's time, and even if one does successfully badger...sorry, negotiate, a ladies' rates down then chances are you've also reduced the quality of the time you'll spend with each other. Would you really want to be with someone who basically told you they don't think your time is worth what you say it is? There's are certainly reasons men negotiate, and it can be interesting to discuss those (and perhaps this post is a sidetrack since the OP was asking about "why" and not whether it's OK). But it's important to keep in mind that just because there's reasons people behave a certain way doesn't make it right.

Some guys may negotiate but I think it's pretty much frowned upon in the community as a whole A lady choosing to lower her rates is not the same as a guy dickering her price down. And many ladies do clearly state no negotiating on their websites. And just my opinion, but negotiating in this lifestyle must be demeaning to a lady. In what other businesses is the person the business and the person is intimate with her client? Negotiating, well haggling, must make the lady feel cheapened Here are just a few threads on the topic http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=125152&highlight=negotiating and http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=141558&highlight=negotiating Anyhow, a quick morning rambling from a non negotiator RG

While I certainly agree that we should not negotiate i'm not sure it's fair to paint all men who use BP as bottom feeders... You are probably right that it attracts a higher percentage of less than desirable clients but it is also used by decent men especially in smaller markets where the main advertising venue for touring ladies is BP. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

This is a very refreshing site when compared to so many of the other sites... lol... be we do have our moments. We certainly should be thankful for a great place like this to connect. Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

She is fantastic, really fun and funny