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Clients and companions come in all shapes, sizes and ages. Some will embrace an older gentleman and some won't, that's the truth. Some will embrace a younger gent and some won't, that too is a truth. What I think is important is YOU choose the companion you think is right for you and when you inquire to book an appt with him/her inquire as to whether or not she/he is comfortable meeting with someone mature. I'm sure you'll be welcomed by most. Most of us are more concerned with discretion, hygiene and respectfulness. Meet those criteria and you'll be fine. Remember though, if you do meet someone who isn't comfortable with a man your age, don't take it personally. Everyone has different tastes and is entitled to choose the type of companionship they desire, this works both ways. It's about connecting with someone you'll have fun with, enjoy and Happy hobbying:)

Hello and welcome and thank you for your kind words. I can only speak for myself and reference many other threads I have read here but no, I have never seen an upper limit either expressed or commented on. Age is just a number and it's more about the person. This industry is based around more important concepts like respect, connection, hygiene etc. The only part age plays in that is in the maturity of the person as some have set lower age limits due to past history of no shows, time wasting, rudeness, negotiating and disrespect. Age does impact so things from time to time so this may be a good thing to discuss with your lady to have the best experience possible but in no way should age limit your participation or enjoyment. The only limits you should have are the ones you personal feel uncomfortable with.

The things I value most in a client: kindness, respect, excellent hygiene, good communication. These things not only make me feel safe and respected, they set the stage for being turned on mentally and physically. 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s; bring it on! Meow :-D And, to me, the aging body can be wonderfully sexy...it's how you live within your skin that counts. I'm planning on being an outrageously sexy old lady.

At the risk of going all Debbie Downer on you... I'm going to anyway. I think that society's current expectations of clients are very low, but this is profoundly connected to society's impressions of sex workers. Unfortunately, the average person's vision of a sex worker is probably very negative. She might be a drug addict working for her pimp/dealer, or a trafficking victim at the mercy of the gang that got her into the country, but the general impression is of someone who is at the mercy of a person (or people) who control her activities, income, and entire life; she's turning tricks for their benefit, and she'll never see any of the proceeds. And that's before you even consider the idea that she may be underage... long story short; she's desperate, on the fringes of society, and she'll do what it takes to earn a few bucks to get her through the next day. That, in turn, feeds society's opinion of the client; he's a guy who just wants to get his rocks off. He doesn't give a damn about the well-being of the provider he sees; he doesn't care where the money goes. And he doesn't care that the girl sucking his cock may be, in the eyes of the law, a child. Society expects him to take what he can get; if he can, he'll rape a provider if he thinks he can get away with it. Long story short: he's an asshole, exploiting the vulnerable, and society expect him to behave as such. Now, everyone reading this post knows damn well that the impressions I've just outlined are absolute crap, and are in no way representative of this industry. Most of the ladies involved are doing exactly what they want to be doing, including a lot of the ones who have entered the country illegally. Most of the clients are, whatever their tastes in terms of age, not looking for someone under the age of majority; most of us would care if we met someone who we felt was being coerced in any way, and a lot of us would make an effort do something about it. Most of the ladies are not on drugs. Most of them are not under the control of anyone, even if they do choose to work for an agency. And most of us are also aware that not all sex workers are female, and not all clients are male. All of these things are... things that society as a whole doesn't get. The fundamental problem is the invisibility of the industry as a whole. I suspect that almost every adult in the country knows folks who are involved in this industry, as either clients or providers; they just don't know it, because none of us have neon signs on our foreheads. These things are changing, slowly; I've noticed over the past few years that sex workers' organizations have become more visible and have begun to get their message across in the mainstream press. This is a long, slow task (think of turning around an oil tanker) but they've made a good start, and people are - slowly - beginning to notice, and get their heads around the idea that there are a lot of sex workers out there who are strong and independent people who are doing exactly what they want to be doing. Clients are still much lower profile, despite being far more numerous, but I hope that will change. The recent changes in the law were designed in part to inhibit that, but I'm optimistic that eventually, reality will shine through. It'll be a long fight, and like many of these fights it'll take a generation or two and the road will be far from smooth. They say that a lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on... but when the truth starts kicking, the game's almost over. We'll get there.

Hi darling, Like Midnite-Energies said age is just a number and what we R looking at is respect and indeed hygiene. I personally like mature if not very mature gentlemen for U namely know how to take care of a woman although I am not saying younger gentlemen don't know. And body wise I namely have a regular that is 65+ and has a b um of a 25 years old perfectly tight, toned and so sexy!!! He's been in the construction for over 40 years and is such a lovely gentleman and it's funny each time he calls to book he says it's.... do U remember me!!! I said yes of course babe your a... is so great I could not forget!! Plus he has a wonderful toy so!!!! On the other hand I have namely 2 other regulars, very mature gentlemen, that do not have perfect bodies and so what they R just so much fun to be with so voilà ! True that we do not get to choose in a way our clients and that U get that privilege and that indeed sometimes we have to have an happy face but let's be clear lots of U can be SO nice and fun to be with whatever age U R so then U gentlemen make my day for lots of reasons U either being a regular or a newcomer. So just be confident and enjoy yourself with the lady (ladies) U will choose chéri and just have fun!!!! Barbara xxoo

Let none of us believe that the issue raised in the initial post is a simple one. Most of us to this point have addressed this from our own personal perspective and from a Cerb perspective as is quite natural. When one thinks back to the initial debate, and I use the term with sarcasm, the talk was that this legislation is dangerous, that it would cause harm to sex workers, it would force them to back alleys and that it would kill women. As the legislation came closer to being proclaimed and since, the discussion here has been that it's really not going to have an impact, that LE will and is ignoring it, and that with common sense everyone will be fine and dandy. I was one of the few that disagreed with that perspective from Day 1, and right now I am not yet ready to say that I was wrong. I am more fearful than ever, based on little news items that are starting to appear across the country that LE has simply been putting their ducks in order and are now beginning to enforce the law. Newspapers are starting to refuse advertising ads, Yellow Pages will remove all questionable ads in May, and if one follows Stella from Montreal or Pivot from B.C. one sees the crackdown beginning. It has become politically correct on Cerb to minimize things. As much as I hate to agree with anything that comes from the mouth of Peter MacKay, he is not wrong that many sex workers are victims. Many are victims of economic and social circumstance that forces them to stand on street corners for survival. That is real. The solution of providing a social network, of creating affordable daycare, of creating jobs that are more than working in call centers or as coffee shop hostesses, of keeping real jobs in this country with a real salary, of providing serious viable alternatives to desperate people are all being ignored. Somehow what is important is getting sex workers out of the trade. End of story. There is nothing there as an alternative, nor a recognition that in fact some sex workers do this by making a rational choice. Yes we live in our own personal worlds inside and outside of Cerb but let us not forget that there is another world as well. Just telling each other that everything is fine and dandy does not make it so. So Patrick and FunAdventures and Phaedrus and Christy and Midnight and all that responded to this point have all been right on target - it's just that this is not a simple question and nor is there a simple solution. In the for what its worth department I still send my small and probably insignificant contribution each month to POWER of Ottawa, because one day organizations such as POWER and PIVOT and STELLA and MAGGIES will be the organizations standing up in court for all of us - Cerb clients, Cerb companions and street workers alike.

Agency: Get ready for work in the morning, shower, do hair and make up, have 2-3 appointments in the day, close your phone, go home and forget about everything Indy: Get up and shower, posts ads on various website and updated it, keep up with social medias, answer emails, phone calls and texts from various people, from a bunch that will waste your time. Do hair and make up, get your incall location ready and clean, have appointments, clean up, do the laundry , keep up with emails again and I could continue. I do prefer to be independent as I can chose to advertise the way I want, the rates I want and chose people that I want to see. However I do understand why some girls would prefer to go with an agency. It can pretty much be a 9-5 type of jobs, while being an Indy is 24/7 job. For example if you don't answer your emails in a timely fashion some potential clients may just move on to the next person if you don't answer

It was censored as two ladies were putting stuff like 'c t e a s' 'c o c t e a s e' etc... I am going to remove it from the list now that we have educated those ladies on the new laws. I had to be extra vigilant at first with the censors and I am slowly backing them off as we go.

I completely agree with CristyCurves. And these are my two cents: Although the people that partake here are generally good people who choose to be here, want to be here, etc etc.. this is not the reality for everyone. Just because we have it good, doesn't mean that the negative realities don't exist. I recently watched two documentaries on Netflix. 'Tricked' and 'Playground'. Both are worth a watch. These stories are real. And terrible. These girls are threatened, drugged, cut off from society (literally locked up while not 'working'), beaten, etc etc. Their families are threatened. They are trapped and scared. The system is broken, and we cannot pretend that it isn't. These documentaries also shockingly highlight how the system fails at carrying out their altruistic goal of protecting and helping the girls / boys. Frustrated victims, frustrated social workers, frustrated people trying to help, frustrated police who see that what the law tells them to do, doesn't help. The only people still smiling are the pimps. These are the stories that 'outshine' the good of this industry. AND THEY SHOULD. One negative situation should have more public spotlight than all of our stories combined. One thing I found fascinating was the excitement from pimps, particularly in Vegas, that think that legalizing the sex trade is the best idea ever. They wouldn't lose the girls under their control, and could expand. They would be safer. They were excited. It would make it worse for those girls. I found this fascinating because that seems to be what a lot of us want (legalizing it). But I wonder if it really would make things better / safer, or if we are just deluding ourselves. Both sides shouldn't see the upside of it. These stories are realities. These girls are real. They are not made up stories from politicians and activists that are 'out to get us'. I'm by no means saying that their approach to fixing this problem is working, but there is a problem. And I would rather our society acknowledge the bad shit that happens, then to sweep it under the rug and say 'well that's the minority of people involved, so who cares'. There is actually a website called 'Baby-Rape'. I think that says enough right there. Or maybe you want some stats such as of the 5,930,615 pornographic pictures of children online that have been reported, only 874 children have been identified. I'll gladly live with the stereotype if it means it will help even one girl / boy. Phaedrus you wrote "Now, everyone reading this post knows damn well that the impressions I've just outlined are absolute crap, and are in no way representative of this industry.". I think that that statement is crap (sorry) and is perpetuating this idea that the problems that exist are not worth acknowledging.

Hello, I'm new on lyla.com, just under 2 weeks. I have a burning question that I need to ask and would like to get feedback on please. It's 1am and I'm tired, but I had to write this. It's been "bugging me" too long. As baby boomers like myself enter our early 60s there is a large swell in the population of older clients (you know, the "grey" generation). This means there will be a large and increasing demand from this growing demographic. This presents many challenges and raises a lot of questions for me as to how the MAs or FS ladies feel about working with people in their early senior years or even later? To be honest, maybe it's my insecurity but what is the prevailing view or reaction from both providers and clients? Let's face it, aging is not kind to our looks either. Sometimes I consider responding to an ad but almost feel guilty and like a "cradle robber". On the other side of the coin, do SPs MAs etc... have an aversion to older clients who no longer look like they did 30 yrs earlier? Or .. do they put on a happy face and not judge us on our physique alone? (Personality is always critical) (As I take a bow). :D I realize that in every sense, these are business financial transactions and the ladies quite often are professional actors. Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to generalize. I know some do it for the love of the job itself but are there some who would really rather not deal with a client past a certain age? If so, it might be nice to know ahead of time somehow? I will stop here for now, I have other, related questions. I do want to end on a very positive note and I would be derelict in my duty if did not send a big :D thank you for the ladies who provide this much needed service. As I say to my friends quite often, I get more therapy in 1 hour with a professional, nice lady than I do from seeing a "shrink" for years. You are professionals, meeting very real needs and making the lives of countless thousands better, even if just a day or two, now and again. I tip my hat to you ladies, you rock and are as important as any healthcare professional any day. You make the world a better place. (Group Hug). Thank You! XOXO

I'm a little out of your demographic, a little greyer, and late sixties. I haven't really found my age as being a barrier. I know I'm not as virile, and expect to find women that can understand the needs of the older generation. I expect her to be able to carry an intelligent conversation, and enjoy a more intimate type of service, e.g. massage and cuddling. It helps that I'm open with my identity and who I am. So, it comes down to finding the right lady. Generally, I am not interested in the youngsters as by now you should realize beauty is not skin deep. Mature women in their forties, forties and even their sixties are who I generally see, with the experience that comes only in time. It helps that I repeat with those, and develop a real friendship. As we age there also seem to be more older women offering their service. From here I will take it one day at a time, I expect as I enter the next decade I will still find value and enjoy the feel of a warmth of a nice women.

As a man who seems like he could be your clone I can only respond to your question with my own experience. My age is exactly as you describe. My body and looks are exactly as you describe - not what they were thirty years ago. At one time I was an athlete, had hair as long and curly as you could imagine, and yes even a six pack. Those days are gone. Over the last few years as I met various women as companions, I most often had quite a bit of communication with them beforehand. They always knew full well my age and circumstance and therefore always had the right and option to decline meeting with me. To this point that has not happened but if and when it does then I will surely understand. I think that the answer to your question lies in your ability to be honest and open and to communicate. My educated guess is that they will be more interested in your concerns and insecurity than in your age. If a woman would choose not to see someone that is our age I would way prefer that they say so ahead of time - that would be way better for both parties. Relax and you will meet some wonderful companions. MN2

I am 55 and have only one been screened out by a lady for age... we were all set with a booking until she asked my age... at the time I was 53 and she said she did not see anyone over 40. Hey to each there own I would rather she was honest then get there and have her not into our session because I was older than she thought. In my experience many ladies have a lower limit ie over 30 but very few have upper age limit. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

It's good you are willing to speak out on this issue, as the number of clients remotely willing to do so is extremely low, barely inexistant to say the least and i speak from experience. The reasons for this are numerous; impacts on their personnal or professional lives come to mind, obviously. One thing come to mind from speaking with local reporters that i can share is to ensure that they do a good piece, stay neutral, and do no go the sensationalist route. One i have dealt with last summer did tremendous pieces in town and garnered some trust in the local community, while another, after my meeting and discussion, suddenly jumped in on the bandwagon to try to get client's perspectives, only in succeeding in getting suspisious glances (including a lack of understanding of the workings of the industry as well as, by the timing of it, seeing an opportunity to get a similar story). I'll be curious to follow that up. Anyway, a quick rambling from away from my laptop.

big senators fan here. was a nordiques fan before the moved to colorado. when they left i started taking for the sens. even if quebec comes back in the league i'm a sens fan for life.

Tomorrow 7 April 2015, will mark 3 months since the tragic events that unfolded in Paris, France early this year. La crème de la crème of French cartoonists were cowardly executed, along with 2 police officers who heroically tried to stop the killings. Because they believed, freedom of expression and fundamental liberties were our most precious collective asset, they paid the heaviest of tributes for using the most seditious weapon against fanaticism: humor and irony. LYLA would not not be possible if fanatics and fundamentalists were the dominant force in this world. Whatever our ethnic or racial background, our religious beliefs, or political opinions, liberty should never be regarded as granted. For all thse reasons, I am still Charlie.

I'd like to politely disagree because.... What I like most about myself is my ability to say what is on my mind at any point and to anyone. If I were to say age is just a number, I wouldn't say it if that's not what I meant, at a gain or loss and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I won't kiss anyone's ass nor will I pretend to like something or someone just to make a buck. Doing so never brings positive results. I think honesty in this business, with oneself and with whom you meet, is the only way to go. Sucking up to a particular person, "type" or age group just to get business never results in favorable outcomes, imo and from my experience. I'd rather meet with one I have compatibility and chemistry with rather than 5 I don't.

Respect truly is a two way street. Being respectful of what we offer is greatly appreciated, in more ways than one ;-) I give of myself for this 'hobby' and I do truly love what I do; who I meet through it and the opportunity to grow within myself. What I find disrespectful is: -negotiators (enough said on that one) -hygiene not up to par (I am fresh, please be the same way when you visit me) -endless messaging with no end in sight of even a potential booking (I don't mean 15 or 20 messages or texts, that is fine, it's when it reaches over a hundred I tend to pull away) -taking advantage of (or trying to) special rates that are no longer offered (from several months ago) -showing up unannounced (you now have my address if you have been here, but it doesn't give you license to just 'show up') -being rude to me just because I cannot take your call at that exact moment (perhaps I am with a gentleman or in an important meeting and I have given you the courtesy of telling you this) Respect definitely is appreciated. We work hard to give you the best experience you will ever have. Being offered a massage by a gentleman is wonderful indeed, even if it is only 5 minutes. Gentle chit chat in the beginning, a great way to break the ice. Nothing shows disrespect more to me than those who insist that I should: -lower my rate, as other girls offer for less -be available when 'you' want it (I do have other clients and book accordingly, and I actually do have a personal life) -(my favorite) the no-show with no notice, no message or explanation (even though an explanation isn't really warranted) especially when it is repeated. Please be respectful of us, we are respectful of you.

I don't think any of us ignore the truth of things. There is a very real and very serious issue in this country and it seems that our government is set on pushing it's own agenda and weakening us as opposed to being dedicated to making this country a great place. It seems everything coming out lately is designed to remove rights and freedoms, make people more reliant upon government and also more fearful. Thomas Jefferson said "when the government fears the people, there is liberty, when the people fear the government, there is tyranny." We speak, guardedly, about what is close to home, in this case, C36. I say guardedly because the law was designed to silence voices. It was designed to push a point, remove rights and freedoms and shove us all into a hole. It's not about saving us or protecting us, its about control. I am still on the fence about the impact LE will be having and as such, continue to be wary and vigilant. As mrrnice2 pointed out, there doesn't seem to be a lot of initiatives about creating, supporting or making viable. It seems to be more about handing out so you are more reliant on someone/thing, pigeonholing and bringing into line and gaining more control. So many initiatives to protect us from ourselves which only seem to give someone else the job of protecting us however way they deem fit. Legalizing of this industry is a good thing PROVIDED that there are also plans put into place to not only deal with but deter the behaviors we know are present. We need a shift from consensual punishment to punishment for those seeking to lure, abuse, control, harm etc. and those rules need to be firm and unwavering in their execution. I've said this before and will again, that what we've been dealing with is only part of the equation, only a line in a larger drawing. What is written into the law that impacts us has the ability to impact others as it seems many laws being passed these days are. That is a scary thought. I suppose it starts with each one of us governing ourselves according and working to be better than we were. Respect, support, tolerance. If we can't have it for ourselves and those around is, it leeches out into society at large. Change always starts small, with one person and grows from there. It does seem our country is broken and where it goes from here is anyone's guess.

Hi darling, Let me 'spring' U into lots of passion and good time hun! I am Barbara, an exquisite 'dame de compagnie' mature and open minded that only has one thing in mind and it's to please chéri. Spring is finally here and so is sexy spring fun babe! So let's get out of hibernation together love! I am pretty with mid long flamboyant curly red hair, sexy green doe eyes, natural 38D and curvy as suggest my pics. Sexy week of April 6th to 10th Tuesday, April 7th from 9 am to 4 pm. Wednesday from 9 am to noon. Thursday and Friday from 9 am to 4 pm. Possibility of working at and with sexylorraina on Saturday, April 11th. If so I will update my profile accordingly darling. Beginners welcome! To book: 819-500-8897 Barbara or [email protected]. Otherwise darling when U come over, have your envelope ready and please hand it to me directly as U walk in. Let me put it away and proceed to the bath room or my nest of indulgence. Thanks darling! Je parle aussi français chéri ! Yo hablo espanol tambien querido !

I don't necessarily think the client 'needs' an agency, but the sps who choose to work via an agency do. And by extension, actually the client relies on the agency for 'consistency' and 'no surprises'. He may not have seen the newest addition to the agency, but he can rely on the agency that the sp is not going to be a scammer or no show. He is banking on his history with that agency to help him make a decision. He could go to the ad sites and find someone that way, but then he has to do his own research, screening, and it will still be a gamble. He eliminates his gambling by going back to the same agency (or agencies). Of course the sp benefits because she is not dealing with the day to day business or booking or screening, she can (hopefully) rely on the agency to ensure her safety. As an sp, she may not feel confident that she can do this for herself. I know some sps repeat the same booking mistakes over and over, and i can never figure out why (something like not verifying an address actually exists, or call back a # used to book an appt to ensure it is not spoofed), and then there is the backup/support/safety of having a business behind you, someone 3rd party who knows who you are with, for how long, etc.

The first camp is also able to support their claims about clients by referring to review sites. Even tho reviewers are a small percent of the clients sps see, and the nasty trash talking reviewers are an even smaller percent of that, these are the places where the anti's go to get 'proof' to use against the clients. And by extension, against sex work itself. From those, they have created websites and anti sex work promotional articles to further their agenda to stop sex work, because after all, they have really horrific examples to hold up as proof. They get to say 'in their own words' referring to why 'johns' don't care about sps, and how and why they (clients) would never lift a finger to help one, let alone report to LE if they suspected someone was working against their will, just so long as they get off. And as cc says, they'd be right, because there is a hardcore group of guys, usually the loudest, or frequent posters, or whatever, all just feeding info to the abolitionists. They make our jobs to educate or reeducate the general public or even a fence sitter that much harder, because of course, those guys don't care if someone is forced, or given drugs to work, or underage, their biggest concern is that she didn't appear enthusiastic. I was looking for a recent article to show what I mean, but i can't find it or the key words to search for it. :( in any case, you've seen it all before, i'm sure, that's why you are not on a review site, you are here on cerb.

Phaedrus, as so often, really nailed it for me. From my perspective, which is inherently slanted because I myself am involved in this industry, I agree with most insofar as society doesn't give a rat's hairy keister about either the companions or the clients. The general census is that companions are uneducated, drug addled women with daddy issues. We know this is not true at all, but general society doesn't. It's a stereotype that is prevalent and detrimental, and it contributes to society's apathy regarding companion's rights and safety. As for clients, I don't think society has any expectations or preconceived notions other than that they are depraved, perverse and perhaps having a physical reason for needing "to pay for it" (being obese, ugly, etc.). Again, we all know this stereotype is no truer than the preconceived notions of companions, and yet it persists. Beyond those basic assumptions about what kind of people we are, it would seem no further thought is given on the subject. The average member of society is ignorant in the true sense of the word: they simply have no actual knowledge and therefor they presume stereotypes to be truth and leave it at that. That's my opinion, anyhow... :)

There have already been such good and thoughtful responses to this thread. If I try to narrow it down to the two specific questions posed then perhaps I may differ somewhat from what has been said to this point, not that I disagree with anything posted to this point. For society to respond to how they would expect a client to behave there must be a presumption that society knows this exists, even if society does not understand why clients seek out companions. My idealism still exists and I believe that with the above premise, society would expect a client to behave properly, respectfully and in the same way that non-participants expect to be treated in their own lives. Therefore I believe that standard for clients agrees with presumed social norms. However if one looks at the questions from the perspective of the non-participant, the beliefs of society I expect are quite the opposite. The existing stereotypes, even with all of the media coverage in the last year, are still perpetuated. Even five years ago before I discovered this world I did not think of it too much, but when I did I would have assumed that clients were losers and rough and low lifes, and that companions were used and were druggies or criminals. Sad eh, and I am supposed to be a reasonably intelligent man. Thanks for the thread Patrick. MN2

I could pretty well echo what Cub said above. Hate is a strong word and perhaps it is more that I have not learned to appreciate or understand some sports. However, I so well recall the year of the NHL players strike. The dead of winter. No hockey, baseball or football, and most evenings one could tune into TSN to watch DOG SHOWS. Yes, dog shows. Please don't tell me that turning a dog into a prissy prancing doll is a sport. :) Please. That's the closest that I can come to hate!

I'm currently going through a family and personal situation which may force me to leave Ottawa for a while. I really hope I won't have to but is not in my hands however I'll be available all this week at least and will keep you all updated when I know more or if I have to go and will make a post on my blog soon explaining a bit more. I'm a petite brunette with beautiful brown eyes and a respectful, discreet and well-spoken woman who carries herself with class and is bubbly and knows have to have good fun :smile: I host at my clean, discreet, smoke/pet free space located in Centretown West near Parkdale & Wellington. My schedule is somewhat flexible so the best way to book an appointment is to request the time and day more convenient for you and I'll do my best to accommodate. Please note I only see first time guests until 8PM. For more information visit my website and also become a member of my private site. For booking or questions, PM me or e-mail me at [email protected] or a text message at 613-400-2722 Isabella Gia

My opinion is that society as a whole doesn't care. This is a lifestyle that doesn't impact them, so they just don't give it a thought. Prior to the new legislation I'd wager if you asked any Canadian on a street corner (oooppps maybe a bad choice of words LOL) they would have said prostitution is illegal. And most likely don't even know the law has been changed I think what is more important is educating both clients and prospective clients and companions and prospective companions into what is proper etiquette and behaviour. I'm less worried about what society thinks of how we should behave, and more concerned about being the best client I can be. And passing along any tidbits of advice I can. To this end a board and community like Lyla is a very useful forum for the sharing of ideas and learning about this lifestyle. I know it was beneficial to me in my early days of this lifestyle So I'd say just be the best client/companion you can be. And don't worry about societal expectations, because society likely doesn't even care My take on it RG

I think "society" in general falls into two camps. The first are those who were taught that this industry is wrong and hurtful to people and those involved are sick or drug riddled or whatever. They had the stigma attached to their thinking and they never questioned it nor looked any further into it but will react with it when required. The other camp doesn't really think about it or care. They are mostly focused on themselves and their lives and what others do doesn't have any real impact. This is the group that as an industry we need to reach because some of the new laws, ours included, could have actual impact on them even though it's not specifically about them. If the government feels taking away our rights and freedoms is okay and they do so unchallenged, who is to say they won't try it with the rest of the people in some capacity. It's like the anti-bullying law they have that gives access to private records and conversations via cell and email. How many people pay attention to the fact that police can charge you if you don't give over your phone password even without a warrant. The first camp has the loudest voices and aren't afraid to use them and can influence others because of this. They paint us with the ugliest brushes, client and worker alike. Most, no matter what we say or what we show them, will probably still continue to believe what they want. The other camp I believe, can be swayed or at least remain neutral. They are usually impacted by whatever personally touches them. This is when it could be important for them to know someone. I would love to see a positive wave of impact it's just difficult to stand up and be heard when you are unsure of the impact.

I've heard same, and a lot. Still, from my discussions over the years, not everyone has the discipline or willingness to set up their own business, filter clients, setting up ads, maintaining a place, getting to clients themselves etc .... Further, as mentioned before through this board, it's a good way (my understanding) for ladies in particular, to get started. I know a few that started out this way and became indy. I dont think either is better than the other though.

But what you've outlined isn't crap, there in lines the reasons the public perceptions are as they are. There are a lot of clients that don't give a crap, they are there just to get their rocks off and couldn't care a less about the escorts position in life. A lot of the women are in this business because of poverty, drugs, abuse and other negative reasons. Sadly all of these things are true and do shed negativity on the business. There are also many women who have chosen this profession, who are happy to be in it and who are using it as a stepping stone in a positive way. There are also clients who seek out this type of escort and will only interact with responsible and professional women. The negativity of this business is harsh, real and unfortunately always overshadows the positives. As does the theory that a cheating man/women is a bad man/woman, as is the one he/she is cheating with. The fact that a lot of clients are attached also solidifies society's belief that those involved in this business cause the ruin of marriages and other relationships. That many of us are evil seductresses who have no morals or self respect. You would be hard pressed to find anyone in society to openly admit that an escort could actually enhance or help a coupled relationship, or that an escort may be an educated, level headed, productive member of society. These are my beliefs from my experiences in this business. I also believe that until society becomes more "European" towards sex, meaning, more accepting and open about it, the acceptance and opinions towards sex workers and their clients will stay unwanted and negative:(

Just wanted to say that after being on Cerb for 4 years and meeting many SP's and MA's over the years that I have learnt a lot about the women who have chosen the is path as a career. Most of them have chosen this career because they enjoy the independence and financial freedom that it can bring. But this job is not easier. Many of them have families or kids to support. University educations that they are trying to complete. This job is demanding as it involves many hours of marketing, emailing, posting ad's answering text and PM's. Trying to get hotel, schedule appointments. The women who are most successful at this job are the one's that truly enjoy their work and like to please their clients. I've met many of these women and have truly enjoyed my time with them time and again. This can be a stressful time as they need the time to prepare the room and prepare themselves for each encounter. Some day's it can busy and other day's not. Some day's they meet some really fun gentlemen and other days, maybe some creeps. Some have been robbed, or beaten up or cheated. Sometimes there no shows or other girls that make fake appointments. This is a hard job. Sometimes it is physically demanding. They give their most intimate moments. It takes a certain kind of woman to handle the emotions and sexual activities that this job may entail. One SP, told me that it's not the physical aspect that is tiring. But the emotional aspect. To be able to pretend to enjoy themselves when they are not. She was saying that in this job she had to be the giver all the time and that most of the men were takers. Her Job was to give them pleasure and most men just used her to get as much pleasure for themselves. These women deserve more, they deserve to be treated kindly and with respect. Respect their time and their contact protocol. Be a gentlemen and be clean. Do not try to negotiate their rates, or push them for more then they are willing to offer. Give them a massage to start, make it about them in the beginning. They may have had a hard day, and appreciated a little kindness and tenderness and relaxation. Talk to them, they are people also, not just objects of your lust. Treat them well and with respect and kindness. I've been told by them, that it doesn't matter how old or what you look like. As long as you are a gentlemen and clean, you will be treated well. Remember, that they are there to make you happy and are providing a very intimate service, so you should appreciate they company they provide. If the chemistry and connection are there, you will have a great time. If the connection is real, it pays to return for repeat sessions. I have repeated many times with many of the women, and have found that each session get's better and better, as you get to know each other and are more relaxed with each other. I have had several good friendships developed over the years and have maintained them. Just wanted to say this to thank you to the women of Cerb for the fun and kindness that they have given us men over the years. I hope to meet many more of you over the next few years if I can :) Remember guys. Be a gentleman, be clean and respectful and you shall be rewarded. Oh yeah, one more thing. The woman should always cum first :)

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I think they will still exist with incalls. They're a booking agency that happens to offer an incall location for ladies to work from. In that context, I doubt LE will bother wasting time and resources busting them. Technically living off the avails is no-no, but then again so is jaywalking and I've never been busted or warned by a police officer when I fail to use a crosswalk (which is pretty much all the time...). That being said, some municipalities are a little more active about these things than others and one city may be tolerant and accepting of incall agencies where another city is not. Not saying that it's cool to flout the law, but rather that the law itself recognizes that circumstance and context factor in. An agency that has underage girls, citizen complaints and other reasons for LE to investigate will be targeted, but because of the aforementioned reasons not solely on the grounds that they are an incall agency.

The question is will agencies who offer in hosting still exist? Its easier for an agency to run their business as an out type agency and would seem to be able to adapt under the legal umbrella. However, an agency allowing clients to come visit them run a higher risk of all sorts of legal consequences and many clients wouldn't want to be "found" somewhere if you get my drift. Posted via Mobile Device

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From what I understand, agencies do provide some service for their ladies. I think most of them cover the overhead costs such as the incall location and costs of advertising. Many also invest in professional photoshoots for the ladies to help promote them. They also handle the phones. The agency phone operator can book appointments for a lady while she is serving another client, so she doesn't miss out on business. As far as the client is concerned, agencies can be more trustworthy. You're probably not going to get scammed with an established agency. Whenever you see an unverified independent, you are taking a risk that it is some sort of scam. So, I think there is a place for both agencies and independents in this world. Both arrangements provide different advantages and disadvantages to their ladies and to their clients.

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I would also like to add this tip for the men: One should not rub a clit harshly and furiously;It's not a stain on fabric that you must scour off with your fingers. I hope my 'pro-tip" was more amusing than offensive.

In need Phaedrus! People often don't realize just how much sensitivity and awareness is involved in this profession. The ability to read and understand the emotional needs of the person cannot be understated. I can personally testify that I have met some of the most sensitive and aware people who are in this line of work. They have made a tremendous difference in my life. As a matter of fact, and in all seriousness, the rest of the health-care system could take serious lessons from the people in this industry. As you pointed out, "these are very different skills" than the ones normally perceived by people. In modern-day health-care these same skills are being lost, in the name of being efficient, and that really worries me. Yet there is cause for hope: A friend of mine, who switched from this industry to traditional health care support, so impressed the instructors with their awareness and sensitivity toward patients on both the physical and emotional levels, that they were honored with an award by the health-care institution before they had even finished their practicum and were hired right off the bat. So there are people out there in the general public who really do understand these skills. There is real warmth in humanity here which needs to be acknowledged publicly and embraced by society. I feel very honored to have met the people I have. At the end of the day I'm pretty damn lucky and I will do what I can to ensure that everyone has their day in the sun and will continue to act, and speak out against the current unjust bill etc. Sorry, I became a little revved up about the issues again. I shall now climb down off my soapbox. But this industry is valid and the people in it need to be acknowledged on all levels. PatrickGC

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I personally feel disclosure is best. Then he can decide to continue or postpone. A great opportunity to offer specials on other options.

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Those that think they know everything about this industry. Even when many others try to explain they are wrong in their idea or belief, they keep saying the same thing over and over. Unless you are - A woman - has taken that first call - have had a client try to hurt you - have been threatened because you refuse to do what they want, you will never understand this industry from the escorts point of view. So, for those listening to the guy who says "listen guys this is how you can get her to do ...I've been in this industry for x number of years and know everything, so follow my lead." If you would not want your wife, mother, daughter or friend to be treated like being suggested, don't listen to it and don't do it.

Sorry for the long quote, but finally a member of the opposite sex that GETS it...