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This was shared with me by a lady I know not sure of its origins but it spoke to me about true beauty.... it does not answer the OP'S original question but in all honesty the concept of beauty is way to subjective to have a real answer. "I don't have an amazing figure or a flat stomach. I am far from being considered a model but. I'm me. I eat food. I have curves. I have more fat than I should. I have scars because I have a history. Some people love me, some like me, some hate me. I have done good. I have done bad. I love my pj's and I go without makeup and sometimes don't get my hair done. I'm random and crazy. I don't pretend to be someone i'm not. I am who I am. You can love me or not. I won't change!! And if I love you, I do it with my Heart! I make no apologies for the way I am." Just my Opinion

That all depends, what do YOU find beautiful? Do you like tattoos? Wild hair? Charismatic eyes? Inner beauty? Big boobs, long legs or a round booty? Everyone has their own view so you will get a different answer from just about every person here. Let us know what you like and I'm sure there will be good suggestions. Good luck.

nothing wrong with asking what rates are, as long as it's done tastefully. if by text, introduce yourself, say where you found the ad, and ask. I get a lot of texts that say, 'rates'. I don't know who you are, I don't know where you have seen my ad, and most of my ads ask you to look at my website (which has my rates, pictures, availability, etc.) but I certainly don't mind responding to an introductory text with some information about you attached to it. Ladies will respond to your inquiries when it is done tastefully.

Wow. Why are you asking to find ways to pay after? What is the reason? Does it really matter if you pay before then if you don't have an inappropriate intention? This isn't an appropriate conversation. If you're trying to find a way to avoid paying until after your experience to give less than the agreed upon amount that's pretty sad. Even if the escort didn't live up to your standards. That's a pretty greasy thing to do to a half naked woman. A deal is a deal. Sometimes the chemistry isn't there. No one is to blame for that. Opening a discussion to do a totally underhanded thing to back out of a deal is disgusting. What difference does it really make otherwise? We all take risks. Both parties involved. If you're looking to do something like this to an escort , maybe you should think about the kind of escort it is that you're seeing. This is the oldest profession in the world. For as long as it's been the customer pays first. Almost any other legit business requires you to pay first. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk

Firstly, ironic because I literally just had a very nice date with a man whom couldn't stop thinking of his wife! Then I see this post pop out at me lol. Secondly, my opinion, is that the guilt is warranted and at best its actually endearing! I mean the fact that you care that much, and aren't just savagely looking to be with anyone other than your wife means you have a heart, and do care for your wife. I do also agree, that seeing an escort is a step better than having a full out affair. Even if you do catch feelings for the escort (which should probably happen no matter what anyways), you know that in the end it is what it is. You are just meeting to enjoy each others company for a specified amount of time. Temporary. Having an affair with someone other than an escort means you are committing. The emotional ties will be stronger and almost all of the time, someone wants to try to make it a real relationship - which would ultimately hurt the partner who isn't involved! I have met many men and women are okay with their partner seeing an escort. Either as a couple or alone. I have had women be the arranger for the date between myself and her husband, where I've also had evenings with the couple themselves. I should say there have also been occasions where I've been more involved with the wife and the man is clearly just there to watch and not participate, be in another room, or not be present at all. Everyone is different. Some marriages lack a physical relationship for whatever reason. Perhaps the partner is disabled in some way, emotionally withdrawn from the idea of making love, or maybe it's just because of distance or a very busy lifestyle. For any of these reasons, I've seen people who are understating of their partners needs and are okay with them seeing an escort. They are confident in the marriage and know that whatever happens with the third party is purely physical or fantasy, nothing that can compete or interfere with deep bond that they have on their own! For these people, the sex is a completely separated issue. So, I agree with how you view things. At the end of the day, an escort is providing a service for you and it's a mutual understanding from the get. With your coworker, you really have no idea how deep her attraction is to you, even if its subconscious. She could like you more and eventually become attached - which would obviously lead to disaster if you really just want to stay with your own wife!

This Lexi girl is a scam. Saw her today and she sends you in the shower and then her "brother" shows up. She sends you a text while your in the bathroom telling you that you need to go for 20 mins cuz she needs to speak to her "brother" and it's really important. Pictures aren't of her but if you look up past posts through her account you will find accurate pictures. I had a bad feeling from the texts and should have listen to my gut. My 1st and last scam. From now on I will stick to the recommended girls. Hope this helps and no one else gets scammed by these 2. Can't get her ad to connect with this post. Her/their # they use is (204) 515-4850

Basic etiquette chaps - plain white envelop, not sealed. Place where it is clearly seen and then excuse yourself to freshen up. Makes the encounter safer for all, no LE entrapment, and no shorting the SP. Best way to start a first rate encounter. Every time. If you feel the need to tip or add for "extras" drop it discretely on your way out.

Unfortunately no matter what business you're in, people are involved and stuff happens. Some is premeditated game playing and some is "life gets in the way", both are learning experiences even if not pleasant. I'm sorry for anyone this has ever happened to as it really doesn't create positive energy and that feeling can hang around for awhile. I use moments like this as a gentle reminder to pay attention to how I'm treating people to ensure I'm not doing something to create it. For those who do it, especially with no apology or comment afterwards, I think more of myself than to give another opportunity to do it again. I feel badly when I have to cancel for ANY reason with notice but not even taking a moment to say "sorry" is just disrespectful.

hummmm I'm honest (to a fault), kind, generous, forgiving, passionate, gentle, creative (I paint & sculpture), ADHD, smart but lazy, sometimes obsessive, scientifically rational.

Simple answer is you are paying for her TIME... you pay before because no matter how good or bad you think the experience is, she is still spending her time with you. There is no guarantee of it being amazing... some people just don't click... but for me anyway... it nearly always has been great. If it isn't great see someone else, but don't blame her... sometimes its just doesn't work. Sometimes you need to find the right gal that you really connect with and then just see her -- for the past year I've alternated between two particular ladies because they are particularly amazing (but so different from each other). But I've never had a bad experience. If you want to thank her for an extraordinary experience you can tip her after. But never, never, never ask for your money back...

lets see. It's hard to describe ones self but here's a bit of what I think I am. Fun,carefree,honest,a little quirky,I like to think I'm funny. Lol independent and strong. I love just being me.

Julia is correct, there are a lot of ladies at Vibe. Haven't met Julia yet... but plan too very soon :)

If you are respectful and ask in a polite way then yes it's fine to ask for rates But remember you are asking for the cost of her time nothing sexual P.s ..... most ladies will not respond to one word texts (rates?)

Please pay before. I am sorry for your experience, really I am. I've had instances where I was counting the money and noticed anywhere between 20 to 80$ was missing. Luckily this was before play. Several decided to leave or ' were going to get the rest out of the car' and vanished. it's unfair for us to be put at risk also. As mentioned on here, see verifies independent members, reviewed members, or members who have been on here for a long time with photo sets and the like No client who wants to pay afterwards will be permitted to see me, and a lot o Sp's feel the same. It's not worth the risk to us Let's keep us all safe

I always prefer payment up front. I have a regular who assumed the half hour rate was half the hourly rate. So when he went to pay me after, he was short. He told me he would make up the difference and of course didn't. So our previous wonderful times were ruined with a bad taste in my mouth. For this very reason, all bookings are paid at the beginning of our encounter. No exceptions. Please don't make us ask for the donation. It really ruins the moment.

My inner self which is always reflected outwards.... Kind Considerate Thoughtful Feisty Funny Patient Stand by my convictions But don't ever cross me! When someone does something or stabs me in the back, look out! I will not back down or take guff from anyone! I give people once chance to prove themselves to me and that's it. I live by a certain set of boundaries and if people try to cross those, they are no longer included in my life. I always treat people the way I would like to be treated.

Anyone have any info on this place on Merivale Rd? It looks good on their web page. But I suspect it's completely legit; no extras. Derek

Has anyone here seen her? http://ottawa.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/alexandra-outcall-only-alexandra/28427388

... Than being stood up. I know what the ladies feel when they make plans and the guy doesn't show. But it goes both ways....I just spend 30min waiting in a lobby after making a date time and nothing. We texted back and forth not 30min earlier. In this day an age respond to the text being sent. I will continue to respect the ladies and their time and keep showing up on time but now I know how it feels to be stood up and it sucks.

While I think I am like most guys who are married and hobby who like to tell ourselves that our seeing a professional escort is inherently different than an affair with someone not in the business I think I know down deep that there is not really much difference... especially if it was seen from the eyes of our wives... bottom line cheating is cheating I think. Now don't get me wrong I think the fact that the hobby cheating is with someone who is involved for primarily financial reasons means there is less emotional attachment which should in theory make it less of a reputation of your significant other then the development of feelings for someone in a civilian relationship but in the end I kinda think that is a distinction without any real significance except to help us with our cognitive dissonance. For there to be no guilt for me there would need to be no cheating... To have no cheating my SO would need to know about my hobby activity and be ok with it... and there is little or no chance she would be OK so yeah I am a guilty cheater... but you know while that is true I also strongly feel seeing ladies in the industry has been a good thing in my marriage in that it has filled a gap that is there with the lady who is and always will be the love of my life and has allowed us to continue... weird logic i know but I think each situation is different and you need to know all the details to understand the reasons why we all do this... Often at significant risk. Just my Opinion

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hummm indeed... I would like to think I am a soft spoken, passionate, generous, shy, kind, very easy going somewhat funny person. I can be a bit of a procrastinator, depending on the situation. and of course super hot! (ok I might be pushing my luck there ) :)

Yeah its not a nice feeling....and I for one will never understand it...why confirm a time to meet and have no intentions on showing up Headache!

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Yes and I've done the same thing by going to Toronto and Montreal but it's more a one time thing and not something you are doing all the time lol... There are other factors at play, work, maybe a spouse and such... So if you are in the far east and want to see someone in the west, it can be difficult and the traffic can be bad at times. So it may be easy to just say I've traveled this far to a place to see an sp, so what's your problem lol... There are other factors at play and I understand that. I'm pretty central but if had to venture out to the West I would think twice about it, just the way it is.

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I prefer up front as well. Sometimes with regulars, we tend to get carried away and he ends up having to come back 10-15mins later lol!

Always pay upfront, sometimes tipping them extra if they are the real deal... if service is bad, well not gonna be coming back. lot of other sp's that provide good service.

Well said everyone. There is nothing wrong with asking rates (assuming the info wasn't already provided) so long as you are respectful (very important) and discreet. It is necessary information to have. Remember that you are not paying for services, only time. Choose your words accordingly. Assuming you did that, I suspect she was merely busy or away from her phone. Good luck. Mikey

Another point to remember is that an unanswered text could simply mean that the lady in question was busy or is on personal time. If this is the case, for discretion purposes, I doubt they would text back after the fact unless you specifically gave consent to do so. I would follow up by whatever means requested (email, PM) or see if the lady perhaps has a website with more information. Good luck.

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Always after when I walk in the door or after a nice greeting ;) placing it on a table in the room... Like to have this business out of the way first.

I am very glad to see everyone posting here in a positive way on this thread as it had potential to go very bad. I think londoncapers got his answer.

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Payment upfront always. Of course we establish regulars sometime I don't mind they pay after, hell sometime we both even forgot about the envelope and I had to text ...hmmm you forgot something! Could you imagine having a good session with ANYONE if we were always in fear that someone may stiff us and not pay? Perform our best and then having the oh sorry I forgot my wallet in my car?

Saw Cougar yesterday afternoon. I had a basic massage and it was fantastic, her hands are magic. The best 30 minute massage I've had and I left quite happy. Very happy. On top of that the location is nice, the place is calming, clean and cozy. Money well spent. Cheers, Rt PS - PM me if you want any more details, but better yet email her, her responses are quite detailed.

Before..... always Peace MG

Always, always at the beginning. This goes beyond etiquette and you have to appreciate what a highly charged topic this is. Think of it from a lady's perspective and paying after is basically holding a threat over her head the entire time that you won't pay her. That isn't a recipe to help with chemistry. And truly, far more often the lady has a whole lot more to worry about from the unknown client than vice versa! Pay for your time. If you don't enjoy it then don't repeat.

She is advertised via the same agency that promotes Brooke Summers and Vicki. Brooke is reco'd on this board and Vicki's identity has also been proven as legit. I have not seen her myself but would say that based on this info that Cloey is suitably legit as well.

I have seen Ms. Rushton a number of times now, and should have posted this review sooner. She is an absolutely extraordinary woman who creates a fantasy world you will completely escape into, where you can pretend you are the only two people on earth. For anyone curious, she is everything you are imagining and more.

Evening Folks Finally time to go thru more of Tom's stuff and to related some of the discussions he and I had at the end of his journey. My little brother, who hated when I said that, because he was born just a couple of minutes after me, really loved the community here. There were some very special people that he wanted you to know how he felt. I will endeavour to send out personal notes to as many as possible, it was a long list.....horny bastard! He did want to send out a special thank you to Marc (k) and Angie at Angels Touch and Paradise Spa. He said he was thankful to get to know you. Always spoke highly of the establishments and the ladies that were there and who played so well! To his friends on the East Coast, he loved the interaction through this venue. To his supporters that through the last couple of months gave him strength and encouragement, I say thanx. So I will endeavour to get the individual thank you's out over the next little while. House got sold, now working on stocks and stuff. His family is coping well, all still laugh at some of the goofy, stupid things he did while completely sober or after a dram or nine of his single malt! Keep well folks Charles

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Mileage is something, as noted, that depends largely on the individual dancer. That is the single most important criteria. That said, a couple of generalities. 1. I have tended to do better mileage wise days than evenings in both Ottawa and Gatineau (and for that matter in the States and virtually everywhere else I have had experience) on the day/afternoon shift. I attribute this to lower scrutiny and smaller crowds/traffic. 2.If its strictly mileage, in Ottawa, in my personal experience, I have gotten the highest mileage at the Playmate. In Gatineau I have gotten the highest mileage at Taboo. But, as always, approach, attitude and chemistry affect the result..

I respectfully and humbly disagree with some of what Deepstrut is saying, although I understand his comments very well. I realize that the basis of the arrangement is money. That being said, my interactions have not been devoid of human sentiments. Now I am not naive in thinking that the ladies don't want to be compensated. I think almost everyone wants to earn as much $ as possible, regardless of the industry. But it just doesn't sit right with me that because a woman is in this industry, they cannot enjoy a non-monetary gift or that gifts can't have a personal (yet neutral) touch that they could still bring home and be unnoticed by family or SO. I guess the answer is that every woman in this industry is different. Some will want strictly $ and others will appreciate anything received, and all of that is ok. It's a personal preference based on their situation. My thought is that I would like the gift to be memorable and a reflection of me. Perhaps in am in left field, but when it comes to MA's I would be more willing to offer a $ gift higher than the average guy so as to stand out and to be remembered. This is more in line with what Conquistador was saying earlier in this thread. The rule seems to be: know the lady and know thyself.

As mentioned, I never expect a tip or gift so am always amazed and thankful when it does happen. The best gift for me is the smile, hug or comment that lets' me know I put a smile on someone's face. If they return, I do a happy dance (and it's fun to watch too). I have been given little tokens that I love and appreciate though and of course the little extra that I might use to splurge on myself a bit is very much appreciated. Nice to be thought of outside the time together. Having said all that...the greatest gift is given every time...ones time and ones self. So thank you to all the gentlemen who give this every day! Sorry if I'm sounding a little gushy, having a great week!

Ahhh, the ?tipping? debate! I noticed there was a decided void in SP response so I will take a minute to share my thoughts? From an agency girl perspective, tipping is often a way to generate extra income because after they pay the agency and the driver, they usually end up on the short end of the stick. 10 years ago, I ran for an agency, we collected $260 for an hour, with $110 going to the house, $40-$100 to the driver depending on where the visit was located, which left me maximum of $110 with as little as $10 in my pocket. With a $15 book on fee and mandatory car cell phone fees of $25 per night, I needed 3 full fees per night to make working worthwhile, God forbid I get credit card calls, which somehow always worked out us getting nothing. We were not allowed to refuse a call so we had to find creative ways to ensure we were paid. Tipping for extra service was the only way to keep our heads above water. The nice thing was that we had a shift, we worked, and we went home and had a life. That said, it was unfair to the guest who would end up with less than what he expected because he was not prepared for the extra fees. Independents are in a slightly different boat. We usually have a higher upfront fee, but we also assume ALL the costs incurred, which is far more than many realize. If we charged what we feel we should to get our ROI, the protests would be heard long and loud. Many Indies have a smaller bottom line than an ambitious girl at a well run agency. So when it comes to tips, many things need to be considered. In the south, SP's are tipped much in the same manner as a restaurant. Anyone walking a restaurant wouldn?t consider walking out without leaving a tip if everything was satisfactory. I tip everyone in the service industry, from the girl who washes my hair, to the man at Suny?s who pumps my gas because a little bit from many adds up at the end of the day. Flowers and trinkets are lovely in thought, but a girl can?t deposit wilted stems into an RRSP, and my bank doesn?t seem to take dildos, massage oil, garter belts or silk stockings on deposit -go figure! As Joyful C has so wisely stated, most SP?s live a fragile existence financially. We provide an illusion of playful luxury for our guests benefit, but rest assured, 90% of the time it is smoke and mirrors. Behind the scenes we struggle to pay our bills, put diapers on our babies and try to take care of those we love, all the while working on a way to get to a normal existence if that does in fact even exist. An extra $20 from each client equals a full appointment by the end of the week, and at the end of the month that pays the cell phone, buys the groceries and lets us take the little ones away for the weekend after we have paid both rents (home and incall), all our advertising, babysitters, hydro, car repairs, personal maintenance and the same expenses everyone else has. Not to mention the monthly payments on augmentation, lifts, tucks and anything else to keep us up to the exceptionally high standards expected if we want to continue making money in this arena. There are few SP?s who can keep up the daily client service to ensure long term financial viability in this business because of the emotional and physical toll this business extracts which sometimes means extended time offs to get our heads, hearts and bodies back in order. We have no paid holidays, benefits or paid personal days. If there is a crisis that forces us to take time off, we lose money and clients which often means we work regardless of illness, pain or any other of lifes challenges. Each SP has her own reasons for working, but the universal element is that we all are trying to achieve some sort of financial stability. I never expect tips, and I can count on one hand how many I have received since my arrival in Canada because of the nature of the business here. Hate to tell you guys, but Canadian men are not known for their generous nature, they rank a close second to Germans in this realm (I think the outlandishly high taxes inflicted in both countries has something to do with it!). I would never expect a tip from guests that have me on retainer, I see them weekly. But unless you are going to be a bankable commodity in a SP?s life, a tip relative to the quality of service is a sure way to say thank you and have her know you mean it... Catherine