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2 pointsEveryone still getting emails? Some people reported lyla.com as sending SPAM EMAIL so the new system in place lets us know when a complaint it made (5 in the last month) SO I AM BANNING ANYONE REPORTING US AS SPAM! This includes marking the emails in your INBOX from this site as SPAM mail as that can sometimes be enough to register a complaint. When you register here WITH your email address you authorize us to send emails so making it as SPAM is unfair to everyone who wishes to receive emails from the site. In your USERCP you can choose to NOT GET NOTIFICATIONS or DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THREADS. Please UNCHECK this and remove all your subscriptions if you do not want to get the notifications. Also... if your account has a DEFUNCT or BAD email address it will get BOUNCED (This also effects of rating) when this happens I will lock out your account until you add a valid email but please check to see if your email in your profile is still a valid email.
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2 pointsI've had to deal with the misfortune of changing my name... I actually miss my name, but due to stalkers and some ill intended people I had to sadly give it up and my old number... I wish people could just move on with their lives and let everyone else live theirs peacefully... However yes I agree frequent name and number changes maybe an indication of red flags I agree with most on here to check the cowboy diaries. Cowboy Kenny is insightful and ontop of the game when it comes to fakes..
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2 pointsYes I agree with you. Technology provides instant gratification and people want everything right away. When I first started in the business, people took pleasure in reading ladies websites and even planning dates. Also with adult advertising, mainly BP, everything is in the moment, content in the ad is limited and the ads are moved to top every few minutes. I'm not sure if potential clients scroll down to actually look but if you're not at the top of the list, you're S-O-L. Texting is another one. No one takes the time to have a conversation anymore, there are acronyms for everything and most times I do not even get a "Hello" through text anymore. I blame it on technology. Everything is expected to be instant. While I'm up to date with everything, I'm old fashioned at heart. I like people to call me to book because that feels more 'real'. Rates, service and location" when I have a website listed on my ads, I won't even bother with a response. Especially after I say to read the website first for all info is listed there. I know who the gem clients are when they have taken the time to read everything and know the rates, etc. Those are the keepers. Posted via Mobile Device
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2 pointsThank for posting this Berlin - so bang on. I have one to add: "Ill bet you deal with a lot of creeps" ... "have you had any bad things happen to you" [in your work]? "You must have some real doozies... I can't even imagine..." I wish I could say these things are only said to me once in a while, but it happens constantly... and not even at a level of frequency where I could just weed out a few people to not see again... from first time clients, to ongoing and otherwise valued regular clients; it is ramped. This behaviour is incredibly patronizing and voyeuristic has more to do with clients attempting to soothe their own moral difficulties with seeing escorts... to raise their status as "good", "respectable", "well-meaning", when, in fact, this is experienced as demeaning and inappropriate to the nature of the professional context. Asking or inferring that an escort should detail experiences of abuse and violence creates a sense of violation in itself. We suck it up and are compelled to have to humour it all too often in order to keep the tone and flow of a date positive, but we experience it as a burden. If you are sincere in caring about the safety and well-being of people in this industry, (barring taking to the streets to demand change, and we know why that is made difficult in this culture) do something meaningful: donate to your local sex workers rights organization, contribute to dialogue on the issues (on boards like this and elsewhere)... be the kind of client you know we need you to be; in all of your words and actions.
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1 pointI think I just found a favourite! She's really hot! I really like her facially. 5'1" 32b-22-32 She's a cute little package, slim, maybe not curvy enough to some but I did not mind, I just completely love looking at her! It's those eyes! She has a fun personality. I don't list acronyms but I can absolutely say she lives up to Mirage standards. I'm sad to admit that for some uncharacteristic reasons I couldn't last long with her. Probably because I'm an easily, visually stimulated kind of guy and I just find her superbly attractive. LOL, maybe next time I'll just have to close my eyes or blindfold myself. This is absolutely something I will work on with her. She is Asian and when she told me I was gonna be her first Asian upon entrance, my sex-ometer just exploded in my mind. LOL I believe it is safe to say she will be booked up quite fast, soon enough. Those going to see her, treat her well. I am already excite to see her again. She's new to this so there are minor things like there weren't enough disposable cups for mouthwash etc. I had to use my hand/palm to cup the mouthwash for myself. :P If she forgets something just remind her. Edit: Re-reading my own post, it does sound like I'm overly excited, borderline shilling. LOL. She is great, guys.
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1 pointDark blue boxers and a white t-shirt. Too hot to wear anything else...
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1 pointUnder Siege (1992) - It helps to consider the USS Iowa the star of the movie since you were never going to believe Stephen Segal as a navy cook anyway...
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1 pointAfter taking a few months off, I'm back to explore one of my favourite Canadian Cities. Sweet, petite, the cutest blue eyed brunette you shall ever meet. Extremely well reviewed & recommended across Canada. Life's not about how many breaths you take but rather how many moments that take your breath away. I will take your breath away. I will be available from Sunday August 17th to the 23rd. Contact text preferred 437 350 1529 or email [email protected]
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1 pointI'll be honest Zeno I skimmed through your Post because of it's length, It's sad I know. If there's an article i'm really interested in, I usually don't have a problem but otherwise you're right. The content on social media, as well as boards like this, are constantly being updated so you always want to know what's going on. I even find if I'm watching something at home and my phone is next to me I grab it a few times to look at those updates. I'm constantly rewinding. We don't seem to exercise our brains, The only phone number I can remember these days is my own because I'm so used to just going in my address book or saying "Call XXXXXX" Even when I receive something as simple as a joke from a friend in my e-mail or they post something on Facebook, if it's longer than a sentence I just delete it or skip it. I don't have any issues reading the ladies websites though, they hold my interest :) My phone can be dinging with text message, I will glance at it to see if it's an emergency otherwise I will ignore it. I know this is going to sound real corny but it's the truth, being with one of these lovely ladies is one of the times where I don't think about anything else. My focus is on the moment. (I do have other times where I can focus, I'm not a puppy, even though SQUIRREL!!!!)
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1 pointTravelling ladies always charge more as they have higher expenses. Simple economics.
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1 pointWith all due respect, and although I am aware that I'm not supposed to explicitly talk rates here, I would differ from you guys on Montreal ladies charging more in Wpg. I don't think what they charge is outrageous or any higher than rates already charged in the peg. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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1 pointOn an outcall I take my own individual sizes of everything I might need. If showers are a part of the encounter, I want to know what I am using (I have very sensitive skin). I also carry great massage oils. The LED candles are a wonderful idea, it makes a great experience in shower/bath time, as the lighting is just perfect then. (and no risks of fire, lol) For incalls, I supply individually wrapped one time use unscented soaps, one time use toothbrushes (great for longer encounters that happen, I buy in bulk so the cost is insignificant), mouthwash in liquor glasses (they are the perfect size for this), 'trial' size toothpaste (they just throw it out when they are done), and several men's body washes (this way they can smell like they just came from the gym) and unscented spray deodorant. I always have lots of fresh linens on hand. I change the towels out from every encounter, and lots of sheets. I change the sheets after every encounter also. Music is a great to have on a playlist or two, and can be played anywhere. For incall, there is always something soothing playing. If it is a regular, then I usually can tell what they will want, so it makes it easier, but having a very clean, fresh place is a great start.
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1 pointHi there, thank you for checking my ad. You will not be disappointed with my A+++ massage... My name is Vivian. I'm 28 years old. Gorgeous, i am a classy looking Lady with long black hair, seductive cat eyes ...., beautiful silky soft, tanned skin. work out body with all the right curves in the right places. You have finally met your dream girl... I greet you at the door with a lovely smile then lead you to the massage room...I will start with a deep soothing tissue massage to relax all your muscles then follow with a soft touch to invigorate your whole body then the fun time ... It will be the most relaxing, creative and passionate session for you ever. So amazing that you cannot help yourself from thinking about it and want to come back for more ! http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92146 For relaxing massage $40/30m $50/45m $70/60m appointment only, call/text me at 6l3 7l2 l2OO mon to sat 10am to 7pm
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1 pointThat is true but others will say that is your decision and don't have to book with her and she can set whatever rates she wants. However you have the right to state your opinion which is what this board is for. BTW I agree with your statement about passing cuz of the fees but some enjoy because of the connection created which may be missing with other ladies. Viewing her continuous replies to posts will have to suffice for me as not enough time or resources to add anotherregular.
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1 pointI just found an article related to oral and pinworms. Anything that has to do with fecal matter in that region can be spread through the hands and mouth. It may take some time to pass through but pinworms lay their eggs in the anus which is why people get itchy down there. They usually come out at night. Pardon my language but anything from ass to mouth is how this spreads when people get intimate. http://advocatesaz.org/2012/01/03/sti-awareness-intestinal-parasites/ Posted via Mobile Device Additional Comments: I would think a dental dam would be okay but don't quote me on that. Posted via Mobile Device
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1 pointYour ads are not getting deleted tho, that is what they are letting you know. Your ads are getting redirected into a different location. If you have not registered for an account, do that. then you can log into your account, and see all your ads, and their dates, and manage them from there. I never even look at my emails, they come in when i bump up or pay for a sponser or something, i guess. I just monitor and deal with my ads completely via my account and manage ad option. I have asked bp support about this redirecting ads. I think that a lot of infrequent users or those who have never had sponser ads are experiencing this. I have no idea how you are going to get out of the cycle HOWEVER, bp support's response to my query said that if someone wants more visibility to their ad, to buy a paid feature lol. my advice to a friend who was having issues was first, post in the less used bodyrub section. if there is only a single page of ads, even if the ad gets redirected to the special section, that section is just at the bottom of the page, i.e. still visible. bump it daily anyway. 2nd piece of advice is have more than just one ad, and rotate thru them, one a day on the free bumps. 3rd is buy a sponser ad, for one week, when that expires, buy sponser on one of your other ads. all of my ads show as sponser ads because i have in the past put up all of them as sponsers (i only have a total of 8 ads, 'all' sounds like alot). not one single ad of mine is ever redirected into the 'additional ads' section. Not one single ad of mine has ever been deleted or removed from the site. based on what bp support said, and my experience, i am suggesting that having paid for the sponsers, and been a regular user of bp, and not trying to do multiple ads daily on the free bumps, etc, all ad up to bp not messing or redirecting my ads. also as mentioned here, pay the 1.00 to bump up the ad will top post you again for a while. bp support never did give me a direct answer as to why new advertisers who have never purchased sponser ads, for example, couldn't get an ad to stay up on the first page in the regular listings.
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1 pointI realize people only look at the pictures too :) I was thinking about putting my information that i want them to see across my photos, just like when someone puts their name and number across the photo to keep others from stealing it. I will do it so it gets read. Haven't tried it yet but am seriously thinking about it
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1 pointIm on Atkins so once again it will be strip steak with asparagus and mushrooms dripping in butter. Posted via Mobile Device
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1 pointOk this is going to sound disgusting but pin worms are very easy to get from certain activities from mouth contact in the very low nether regions and then if you kiss the person. These worms lay their eggs in that area and people get very itchy ass at night. I always discourage anything to do with that area esp if kissing is involved. Posted via Mobile Device
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1 pointA must have...a client LOL :-) OK all joking aside, if seeing clients at your place, better to have body wash over a bar of soap (unless individual bars of soap). One lady I saw years ago had bar soap, a used bar of soap for her shower. Who knows who used it before...gross So just a suggestion, body wash, or individual bars of soap RG
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1 pointIs this a free ad you're using and if you post a second time within the 24 hours, it will go up and appear live in the general listings for a few minutes and then disappear. It will go into what's called "additional city listings". If you move your ad to the top of the listings and it hasn't been 24 hours and you don't see it there anymore, do a search on your name or phone number if you're in the escort or massage category and there you may find it in additional city listings. When that happens to me, I use the pay safe card and pay $1.00 to bump it up and it stays on the general listings. Hope this helps! Posted via Mobile Device
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1 pointHi Guys! It's Me! Jenni! Your Sweet & Sexy Busty Brunette Babe...At Vibe! I'm Available... Next On: Wednesday from 4pm-10pm & Friday from 4pm-10pm too! ***** Here Is A Link To Some of My New Lyla Recommendations! & My New DUO Recommendation HERE! To Book Some Time With Me: Please Call Vibe at 613 680 8059! xoxo Jenni
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1 pointHello, My name is Rachelle and I am visiting Winnipeg for a 2 day exclusive engagement. If you enjoy hanging out with a real doll who is smart, funny and oh so sexy then look no further. I love to give massages and get a little kinky. Don't be shy. I love to experience all I can and share with you. Extremely open minded so bring it on! I am 5 4", I weigh 115 lbs. Tight smooth and oh so fit. You must call to book an appointment with me. Rachelle 1- 403- 629 - 0040
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1 pointYour extreme fantasy awaits... Even hotter in person, my body is a playground, and yes... It's ready for you! Your ultimate girlfriend !! Meet me at my door in my sexiest lingerie and come lay in my bed with me! Text for rates please! 1 (902) 293-7033 ! Well reviewed on CERB NO BLACK CLIENTELE---No Bargaining---Stockings & Heels---100% INDEPENDENT---Great Hygiene & Shower Available---Always Done Up B34, 115lbs, 5'4
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1 pointStopped by 340 very briefly on Saturday (8/15) afternoon and found things to be moderately busy at around 3:00. Not as active as I've seen on some Saturday afternoons in the past, but not nearly as slow as on others. A number of unfamiliar girls (it's been a while since I've been in) - but recognized Claire and Jenny anyway. After such a long time away, seeing Jenny in the club was so nice. Almost forgot how gorgeous she is and she certainly looked as stunning as ever. Left about 3:30 after chatting briefly with J. - a bit disappointed I didn't get to see her on stage.
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1 pointLooking for a sweet but naughty small town girl with all natural everything? Well she would be me I have long beautiful red hair and green eyes that you'll just love looking up at you ;) I'm 25 I weigh 120 pounds. I have an energetic way about me and am sure to please you in every way. Even conversation. To contact me reach me at [email protected] photos available for serious inquiries. You can read my recommendations from my province page link below; https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=116464
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1 pointDepending on the frequency of one's hobbying activities, once a year may not be adequate.
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1 pointAre you clean? Then when you ask them if they are, they reply, I've never been tested.......
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1 pointThere has been a massive increase in requesting discounts lately, and I've found very few Sp's in several spaces that have not encountered it. We're not talking small, either. We're talking huge discounts. Something to bare in mind is this: yes, it is a business. However, we are not selling stuff we buy at wholesale to peddle through our stores, nor just offering our skills to people. We are selling our bodies, our emotions, and connections with people. We also put ourselves at great risk to do this. There are a vast amount of expenses that come with the job. We lose out on a lot, especially socially, when we do this job. We set our rates for a reason. Please respect that. Little discounts here or there? If the SP is fine with than then sure. That's their business. Long term relationship? Sure, if the SP wants to do it. Multiple hour discounts? Sure, again, depending on the SP. Please do not: -Yell at, sweat at, or insult the SP for having no discount. - Tell the SP his/her services are _________, so ___ him/her! - Tell she Sp she/he is not _____ enough or ____ enough to deserve those rates. - Tell the SP that so and so does this. Or so and so is ___ and __ and charges less, so you should too! Or, you are not as good as so and so. - Tell the SP they are unkind for charging too high. - Tell the SP they are not worth the money. - Agree to said rate, and then try to haggle in person, or conveniently forget 40$ or more ( or any amount for that matter) at home or in the car. - Bully the SP by telling them they will never get work, or enough work to survive if they keep charging what they are charging. - Tell the Sp you are doing them a favour by spending money on them. - Tell them they were ugly, or fat anyways. Myself and others have encountered all of, or even more of these behaviours. Stop. Yes, we have bills to pay like any other business owner. Yes, we should choose to model our business in ways that keep us competitive. Yes, all business owners have bills to pay, and make discounts too. But again, we are selling ourselves. We put ourselves at risk and sacrifice a lot to be here to be with you. It does not mean we don't love our jobs. Myself and others do. But it's not an easy job. It's not a well liked, open job. We are part of a social underground. Please respect who we are. Please respect what we do. Please respect what we risk and sacrifice to be with you. If you want discounts, do it respectfully and reasonably. If the fee is too high, move on. If you don't want to move on, save up the money. It should be this simple. It shouldn't be this mean. We are human beings too.
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1 pointYou should not brush or floss your teeth shortly before having sex. Instead use a mouthwash, breath mint or gum. Brushing or flossing your teeth can cause small amounts of bleeding on the gums. Since blood is a bodily fluid, this increases the risk to your partner. Simultaneously, it presents a risk to you since you now have an opening in the mucous membrane of your mouth through which infection can enter. Most sources I've read suggest a minimum of 30 minutes between brushing or flossing and having sex. This particular source is more conservative and recommends 2 hours. I should add that the risk of HIV transmission from oral sex is very low. In addition, there doesn't appear to be any certainty around the number of infections in which teeth brushing/flossing was the sole risk factor. Having said that it's an easy risk factor to eliminate simply by using mouthwash etc. I've attached a fact sheet on HIV and factors affecting HIV transmission. Here's a few essential quotes relevant to teeth brushing/flossing. HIV can get into the blood through breaks in the skin (for example, wounds or open sores) or by passing through a mucous membrane. Mucous membranes are tissues that line the surfaces of body cavities, such as the nostrils, mouth, throat, vagina, urethra, anus and rectum. Brushing or flossing teeth can cause minor cuts, abrasions and inflammation, which can increase the risk of HIV infection. It is advisable to avoid performing oral sex for up to two hours after brushing or flossing so the gums have a chance to heal. http://www.catie.ca/en/fact-sheets/prevention/hiv-transmission-overview
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1 pointI understand the concept of personal preferences. I also understand that a woman prefers to avoid a specific community in order to avoid meeting someone that they are related to...Yet, we rarely see "no Caucasian men" or "no Asian men"... So, regardless of a few justifiable exceptions some ladies have to avoid seeing black men, a question remains: why is the dark knight so unpopular, compare to any other group? Personally, I don't have any race restrictions. I accept to see men of color with great enthusiasm, and I have had nothing but amazing experiences, hence why the subject of race is a sensitive one for me. None of my encounters matched the stereotypes brushed by the media, including the myth regarding the size of their manhood. Again, we all have the right to choose who we see, but black men seems to be greatly disadvantage compare to other ethnic groups. Why? Anyway, more for me! hehe ;b
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1 pointDo you have childen? Do you have a boyfriend? Do they know what you do? An escort's personal life is no one's business unless they happen to tell the client in confidence. And another thing, if anyone is a shrink and sees escorts, don't try and analyze them. I met someone like that recently and they asked a host of personal questions and I could see where it was going. He was asking the questions the exact same way a psychologist would. What he didn't realize is that he told me on our first visit that he was a mental health professional and probably didn't remember but I have a pretty good memory. I flat out told him my personal life is not conducive to the environment that we were in and I didn't feel comfortable discussing those things. That is the bullshit that really makes me mad. You don't know me and whatever I tell someone could be bullshit anyways just to appease them if I really wanted to play a game but I don't do that sort of thing. Ask me no questions and I will tell you no lies! So go ahead and analyze away! lol. Perhaps they felt guilty and were trying to make themselves feel better by justifying why they were there. Their demeanor was sort of creepy in that way. Who knows and who cares. I am here to provide a service, not to tell my life story to someone I don't know and probably won't ever see again.
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1 pointWelcome to the board, bigsmooth and Carrieann! As has been said a multitude of times already: tipping does indeed help encourage a pleasant time. However, if you are going to use that tip as a means of plying a lady into offering you more than she normally does then it's viewed as a manipulation tactic. So be mindful that you are not using a tip to try to push your luck. Tips are not required (though some require tips for extra curricular activities) by most ladies. If you are uncertain, best to ask in advance so there are no misunderstandings. Like any customer service job, good tippers are absolutely remembered. True story: I am a semi-regular at a local pub. I always tip well. As a result, I have noticed when it is busy, wait staff always make sure I am taken care of first. This is true of any customer service job: if you are a good tipper it shows you appreciate them enough to demonstrate it above and beyond the normal "bill". It makes you stand out from the other customers. It is remembered and it works favorably for you. Much like the opposite of being a poor customer is remembered and works against you. Now you don't need to tip or stand out to have a wonderful time with a lady. But it certainly doesn't hurt!
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1 pointAn honest and direct comment. Like with most anything $$$ do matter. Peace MG
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1 pointThat's an interesting perspective but it seems questionable to me. When I see a woman in this environment I am seeing her because she wants my money and I want other things. It sounds entitled to say that because you are a repeat client that you don't need to tip. Tipping is optional but I don't think you need to justify beyond saying choose not to. In my perspective if I am bringing the woman something special to me, like a book or music it is to enhance my gfe fantasy. I don't expect that she sees them as meaningful gifts to her. They are props in a role play. I think that once we rip away our own agenda, the only thing that the lady wants from us, like someone mentioned before is cash. If I want to reward her with a gift it will be by giving her the one thing she is asking for, on top of any props I might bring along. I think that the reputable women who have already given their feedback quite clearly have a better perspective on what a woman would like than we do. I'll follow their advice. I also bring meat to my visits but I expect her to be the expert with it. DS
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1 pointI hear this company is pretty good, but has anyone meet jenny before? Posted here on Cerb. :) thanks to all who help.
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1 pointAhhh, the ?tipping? debate! I noticed there was a decided void in SP response so I will take a minute to share my thoughts? From an agency girl perspective, tipping is often a way to generate extra income because after they pay the agency and the driver, they usually end up on the short end of the stick. 10 years ago, I ran for an agency, we collected $260 for an hour, with $110 going to the house, $40-$100 to the driver depending on where the visit was located, which left me maximum of $110 with as little as $10 in my pocket. With a $15 book on fee and mandatory car cell phone fees of $25 per night, I needed 3 full fees per night to make working worthwhile, God forbid I get credit card calls, which somehow always worked out us getting nothing. We were not allowed to refuse a call so we had to find creative ways to ensure we were paid. Tipping for extra service was the only way to keep our heads above water. The nice thing was that we had a shift, we worked, and we went home and had a life. That said, it was unfair to the guest who would end up with less than what he expected because he was not prepared for the extra fees. Independents are in a slightly different boat. We usually have a higher upfront fee, but we also assume ALL the costs incurred, which is far more than many realize. If we charged what we feel we should to get our ROI, the protests would be heard long and loud. Many Indies have a smaller bottom line than an ambitious girl at a well run agency. So when it comes to tips, many things need to be considered. In the south, SP's are tipped much in the same manner as a restaurant. Anyone walking a restaurant wouldn?t consider walking out without leaving a tip if everything was satisfactory. I tip everyone in the service industry, from the girl who washes my hair, to the man at Suny?s who pumps my gas because a little bit from many adds up at the end of the day. Flowers and trinkets are lovely in thought, but a girl can?t deposit wilted stems into an RRSP, and my bank doesn?t seem to take dildos, massage oil, garter belts or silk stockings on deposit -go figure! As Joyful C has so wisely stated, most SP?s live a fragile existence financially. We provide an illusion of playful luxury for our guests benefit, but rest assured, 90% of the time it is smoke and mirrors. Behind the scenes we struggle to pay our bills, put diapers on our babies and try to take care of those we love, all the while working on a way to get to a normal existence if that does in fact even exist. An extra $20 from each client equals a full appointment by the end of the week, and at the end of the month that pays the cell phone, buys the groceries and lets us take the little ones away for the weekend after we have paid both rents (home and incall), all our advertising, babysitters, hydro, car repairs, personal maintenance and the same expenses everyone else has. Not to mention the monthly payments on augmentation, lifts, tucks and anything else to keep us up to the exceptionally high standards expected if we want to continue making money in this arena. There are few SP?s who can keep up the daily client service to ensure long term financial viability in this business because of the emotional and physical toll this business extracts which sometimes means extended time offs to get our heads, hearts and bodies back in order. We have no paid holidays, benefits or paid personal days. If there is a crisis that forces us to take time off, we lose money and clients which often means we work regardless of illness, pain or any other of lifes challenges. Each SP has her own reasons for working, but the universal element is that we all are trying to achieve some sort of financial stability. I never expect tips, and I can count on one hand how many I have received since my arrival in Canada because of the nature of the business here. Hate to tell you guys, but Canadian men are not known for their generous nature, they rank a close second to Germans in this realm (I think the outlandishly high taxes inflicted in both countries has something to do with it!). I would never expect a tip from guests that have me on retainer, I see them weekly. But unless you are going to be a bankable commodity in a SP?s life, a tip relative to the quality of service is a sure way to say thank you and have her know you mean it... Catherine
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1 pointDummpy... So the way to show true appreciation is not by tipping AFTER the service, but instead to repeat. OMG!!! Now I have to go back and repeat with all of those fantastic ladies. What if they are FABULOUS the second time too (and of course they will be)? Then do I have to repeat a third time? Damn! Are we having fun yet or what???
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