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I have to side with Phaedrus here in that I think, as poorly articulated as the discussion was begun, there is nothing inherently wrong with discussing rates. Discussion isn't negotiation. Understanding the economics of this industry can be informative for those who haven't stopped to think about it, or haven't considered all aspects of the topic. Asking why rates are what they are does not *have* to imply that you are suggesting those rates should change. But, articulating the question crudely can do just that. Clients DO have the right to question what they are paying for. They are not guaranteed to be entitled to an answer, and that needs to be accepted. That's because the ladies DO have the right to charge as they see fit; anybody who doesn't think it's understandable that a woman is in charge of defining the price tag she places on sharing her most intimate self with someone else needs to reevaluate more than just what they are doing asking these questions. Simply put, anybody can charge whatever they want for whatever they want, whether it's an intimate encounter, a car, a cauliflower or a cup of pens. That doesn't mean that they should feel entitled to everyone accepting those prices either. If people do, then, by definition, the market has tolerated the price of their commodity. It's been said again and again, choose the provider that fits your budget. It sounds trite, but it's still the most direct answer you'll ever get. The rest is all details that won't change a single thing.

Just think of it this way: if the police were interested in paying attention to you, they are just as capable of driving across town to do so.

No, but that's a truth that most clients probably don't want rammed down their throats. The fantasy is part of what's being paid for.

So what? You think we are in it for love or something? lol

Let's see the OP becoming an SP and charging $80/hh when he can get away with $350+/hr ;)

Haha...I beat you guys out...she is being held in an African country, and is in the process of sharing the $2.7 million her father left for her in European bank accounts. All I have to is help her syphon the $ thru my accounts here and get the funds back to her so she can get out of her situation and continue her studies.;-)

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I meet my most regular provider quite near a police station. They don't care. They have bigger fish to fry than us.

I know of a few hotels near the police station in Saint John, and they are all high end hotels. Not sure about the other cities, but if in SJ, don't worry. Its funny, when I book a hotel, the last thing I worry about is "is there a police station nearby". I look at parking, door access, quality of hotel etc. Yes, I feel you are over thinking this. Go and enjoy.

Your original post clearly indicated that based on your opinion paying more than $240/$260 for a hour with a lady in this industry was not good value for YOUR money ... fine you are entitled to your opinion but let's face it your approach to expressing that opinion clearly took a swipe at ladies who charge more and frankly that undertone is clearly articulated in your "golddigger" comment... no wonder you place such a low value on spending time with these ladies you have such a low opinion of their character. You may not agree with their business approach and you may think that they are not worth the money they are charging but how about at least showing some respect for them as people... they like you and I are going about their lives trying to support themselves and their families. What's the outcome you are looking for from your post??... it appears you have a very strong opinion about what ladies should charge... what their expenses should be... and every other facet of THEIR business. Perhaps you want the job as customer ombudsman for the Sex Industry the guy who will stand up for all us poor little guys who are getting taken advantage of by the big bad ladies in this industry... Let's get real the majority of the ladies in this industry work extremely hard to make a living... you have heard several of the ladies outline their expenses and frankly very few leave this industry rich... sure it pays for school or supports their family or allows them some extras that their regular job does not allow for. The professional ladies in this business have made a choice to take control of their own employment... to decide for themselves how they work and when they work... they offer a very personal and intimate service to us men so of course they should be free to decide what they want to charge you or I or any other guy for that matter does not have to agree with that price... they can make a different choice that reflects their personal situation. Just my Opinion

Discussing SP or MA rates in public is just rude. We do not have to justify our rates. Too expensive? Shake it off, and pass to the next.

All I can say is money......well.......spent. They were both very accommodating and we had a few laughs. Would definitely see them again and recommend them. Watching the two of then work their magic was terrific. Also, Cleo has the nicest set of &$)@ I may have seen in my entire life. Two enthusiastic thumbs way up. The duo is worth it.

I've been following this site for a long time now, and it is amazing how often the same, issues, concerns and complaints come up. Things that should be obvious often are not. I thought it might help if I compiled a summery of some of the more common concerns for the newbie section. Hopefully it will help get some of the new gents to the hobby off on the right foot. There may be some here that don't apply to all people or situations, but these are some of the more common ones I have seen over the years: 1. Do your homework first. Nobody likes to have to spend time writing out answers to questions they have already provided answers for on their website or ad. 2. Be respectful during the initial contact. Being abrupt or rude is definitely a bad start. 3. Don't be too explicit. The laws are such that everyone is restricted in what can be said. Some are more careful than others with this, but remember that you are simply compensating for her time. That's all. Asking for anything more specific will often get you no reply at all. 4. Don't haggle. This is not a flea market. Nothing kills the mood faster than telling someone that they are worth less than they think they are. If she is out of your price range, move on politely. 5. If you have to cancel, let her know ASAP. Life sometimes gets in the way of the best laid plans. Their time is their source of income and they have promised some of it to you. At least give them some notice if you won't be able to make it. If you can't give notice, consider offering to compensate her. It has already cost her the time, whether or not you were there. (E-transfers can make this super easy.) ....And just not showing up without letting her know at all is so incredibly disrespectful and uncool. (and a sure way to get yourself black listed.) Just don't do it. 6. If you are sick, cancel. Nobody wants your illness. (But see number 5) 7. Hygiene -It shocks me how often this one comes up. It is for your own benefit to not have her repulsed during your time together. Take a shower and brush your teeth as close to the appointment as possible. If you can't, then ask if she has shower facilities. Many do. (But remember it is on your time.) oh... and wear deodorant! 8. If she asks you to take a shower before hand.... take one. It means one of two things. a) She has a policy that all clients take one, or b) you smell. Either way, it is the same answer: Take the shower if she asks. 9. Respect her time. This means being on time, but not early. Not always easy to be precise, but do what you can. If you are late, don't expect that she will let you stay later to make up for it. Also, don't expect her to be ready early just because you showed up early. Remember, you have an appointment. Respecting her time also means leaving when your time is up without having to be asked over and over. 10. Have the envelope ready at the beginning of the date. Don't make her ask. It kills the mood. I just place it on the dresser or table as I walk in. They can address it or not as they see fit. Of course, all of these points can be summed up with two words: "show respect". If you use that as a guideline, you can't go wrong. I know there are some points that I have missed and some that not everyone will agree with. Remember, this isn't my list. It is a compilation of the most common concerns I have seen since I started following the site. Feel free to add to it if I have missed any.

Does the Keg need to justify its prices because McDonalds sells a Happy Meal for under $10 Just saying that's all RG

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To me it's simple. If you can't afford a specific encounter move on to one you can r save up for the one you want. Easy peasy!

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Gentlemen and my fellow ladies, I have had the absolute amazing time, with all you fine fellows of Saint John NB. Recently I have sadly had an enormous amount of no shows. Not only have they been know shows but they have been confirming and, still not showing up. Is it me? I highly doubt it.. Unsure why this has recently been happening to me, as Saint John has always shown me amazing people and fabulous times. I keep asking myself am I doing something different then my normal self? No.. Not that I can comprehend. Has any other ladies that too have visited this lovely city recently experienced the same difficulties? Yes no shows do happen but five in one day...That is a bit much..I can only assume someone has something against me. Unfortunately I will not be visiting again anytime soon. If you would like to visit me, I will be visiting Fredericton now on a regular basis. Input and comments are greatly appreciated from all who visits and resides here.

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I completely agree with you. All a person has to do is just do their own homework. Although I find this board to be generally pleasant. I have heard from others about the other board. Nasty is a word that comes to mind. Additional Comments: If I can make a comment about cl and bp. cl is free to advertise and who doesn't like free advertising? the benefit of bp, is that the SP can choose when she wants her ad at the top, and which ads to include a sponsor upgrade, ect. Generally speaking, both sites offer a lot of flexibility. by the way, the legit ones will provide references, and links to other review sites

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Saint John used to be one of my favourite cities to visit . That was 3-4 years ago. It has slowly declined and I now have only two gentlemen that I know will visit me if at all possible. Is it the economy ? Perhaps . However that should not remove manners. No shows and no calls are the norm in Saint John where it used to be the exception. I get many random requests, " when are you visiting Saint John again?" Then I visit and no call or request ? At least I am not alone .

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While I have some problems with the way the OP asked his question I think I agree with Phaedrus that some benefit can come out of the dialogue in terms of helping people understand more about what's involved in working in this industry and that there is a lot more to it than just showing up for an hour. Additionally reminding ourselves that regardless of what the rate of compensation is people deserve to be treated with respect for the choices they make for themselves is important. Just my Opinion

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So basically you are saying that any advice handed by anyone but you should be ignored, and you are by far the most experienced and knowledgeable hobbyist compared to the rest of us? Excuse my ignorance, being a foreigner and all, but I find your response to be a personal attack on my experience and knowledge of the business. As I mentioned elsewhere, anyone but yourself should just keep their opinions to themselves. Again it's funny, you seem to have an opinion about everything. Just my humble opinion

I think you're being just a bit unfair and mean to both the men that visit BP and providers that advertise there. Some of the most respected and well reviewed women that reside on Lyla also advertise on backpage, including yourself. Men are just trying to sort through the sketchy and the fantastic. If it is so sketchy, then why are you there? Of the thousands of ads I've seen there I only recall seeing one that offered uncovered service. Portraying them all as offering dirty barebakc providers is hyperbole. My own observations tell me there most certainty has been upward movement of prices here driven by a shift in demand as hobbiests have retreated to safer dates under the new legislative regime. And yes, this is EXACTLY where we should be bringing quality providers that don't yet have a Lyla account. Some women don't want to be there because they don't want this to be their life. I talked to some that are just trying to support their families through a bad patch and then they want out. That's neither cheap or dirty. I understand there is a financial incentive to shut down discussion of off site providers. At one time there was even a rule here to ban even the mention of backpage. It was unenforceable, largely tolerated, and didn't allow for men to stay safe through sharing of experiences. In their wisdom, staff changed the rules to permit such discussions, and Lyla is stronger now as discussion has flourished (as likely ad hits have, too). Respectfully, please let us do so, as the rules permit, without attacks on anyone's character or hygiene. I would suggest if these posts bother you so much then you can choose to not click and not read them.

What a shame a thread like this was even posted! Calling women out is not going to do you any good on this site. What you did was not cool at all & You say you have been on here for six years....No offence but you should know the site rules and know that calling out or bashing women on this site is a Huge No No! We are a community on this site. We respect one another & treat one another proper, We do not bash one another. It's just not classy or proper at all. We as SP's Or MA's have every right to set our rates as we please... & most seem to all be around the same ballpark in rates. Of course there will be some who charge a higher rate and that is okay. If you can not afford the rate go else where or save up if you really would like to see the lady. Bashing a lady because she charges what she does is not okay & a straight turn off to be honest.

No that's not what I said...I said it's not a client's place to complain or criticize any lady's rates. RG

Always find it interesting when someone posts - URGENT. Yes, if you are going to TOFTT, and want to see her NOW, it would seem urgent. However, there are so many ladies in your area that are well reviewed, why not start there? URGENT in my opinion is for 911 - heart attack, stroke, car accident. Slow down, read and go from there. It will save you in the end. I know nothing about this ad, just seems like you are rushing into things when its not really necessary.

I am not sure I have a problem with guys asking about ladies who advertise on other sites because frankly that is one of the reasons guys come to this site to share info on wonderful ladies they may have met and while my experience may tell me that all LYLA ladies are great I don' think it's safe to say that all the great ladies are on Lyla... some have never been on here and some have been and are no more for a variety of reasons. I think the quantity and quality of posts on this board has declined over the last year or so due to the new laws and restrictions on what we can say so i don't think we want to drive people away... Let's encourage greater discourse and suggest that guys do what I do... if i meet a lady who is not on Lyla I encourage them to join. It's important to recognize that any recommendation written on here is an expression of one guys opinion and opinions are like a*ssholes everyone has on and most stink. Recommendations reflect that individuals preferences, like and dislikes... no two encounters will be the same as so much relies on chemistry and connection... that's why everything in this industry is Y*M*M*V... I guess if that's a fair question to ask a guy who is a member here then should it also be fair to ask Ladiy members here if they think there is not enough Guy clients here on LYLA... It's not about enough in either case in my opinion it's about guys looking for a provider that is right for them and ladies looking for good clients and that happens here and in other venues..

Why is cauliflower so expensive this year... why has the price of oil fluctuated so much... Why oh why are there not standardized pricing for all the things we buy.... perhaps the government should step in and impose some form of price controls on all products and services so as to ensure that the appropriate value is placed on everything.... ahhhh but wait there is the rub... not everyone agrees on the value of everything it would appear that individuals in fact do have the ability to determine for themselves what value they place on certain goods or services and remarkably the free market tends to be a pretty good way for that willing seller and willing purchaser to connect and carry out that business transaction. If the buyer feels they are no getting appropriate value for their money they decline to purchase and if the seller feels they are not getting paid enought to cover the value of th good or service being sold they don't sell it... pretty simple when you think about it. I have never been a seller in this particular market but I like to kid myself into thinking that the reason for that is the fact that the market would not pay the enormous value I place on myself when in fact the reality is there is no market for a 55 year old, over weight married guy in this industry lol OFGILF But what I have learned over the years is that if a lady Is selling a service as intimate as what we are discussing (hypotheticly of course given our current laws) then the only person who really needs to be 100% comfortable in the valuation is HER... if I as the client have a problem with the valuation I can just move along she has to live with it. As for the general concept of value for money in this industry I have a a distinct pleasure of meeting ladies who provide service at most of the various price points and frankly while I have seldom been disapointed... I am always fealt that I kinda get what I pay for and as a result the majority of my repeat encounters have been at the higher price point so I guess that suggests to me that I see Value in the money I am spending. PS: that's not to say I don't frome time to time get a wonderful surprise from amazing ladies at all price ranges :) Just My Opinion

Why? Why not. Why did you choose 300$ + ? Why didn't you start, let's say, at 500$ + ? You are not to ignore that in some "high spheres of society" some people would smile at your question. For some people, 100$ is a lot. For other people 5000$ is nothing. This is relative. Does a higher price guarantee that you will have a "better service"? No. And what does "better service" mean to you? If what a lady charges is too much for your budget, as suggested by previous members, move on or wait until you can afford a visit. If all communication is done politely with respect on both sides, nobody will be hurt in the process. And by the way, about the ladies who have a website, they usually have information and rates on it. So, it could avoid you some surprises, wouldn't it? So, tell us, Dear OP, what was the real point of your thread? Fun provocation, just curious and amused to see our reactions, or you woke up with a really bad mood because sometimes the world does not make sense to you? No offense...

Wow! You said you've been on Cerb for six years now? Did you think all expenses were going to stay the same? Come on now! 150/200hr doesn't pay for hotel room, let alone all other expenses we have to cater to our beloved friends. So ask yourself, six yrs ago were you making the same wages you are now? I highly doubt it. Lol.

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CLASSIFIED ADS - EDIT THEM OR LOOSE THEM! UPDATE BEFORE NOVEMBER 25th !! I noticed a LOT of classified ads still advertising things that are going to now be illegal. You either have to remove anything from the ads that is now illegal for us to advertise for you or we will need to delete your ad completely. If you previously offered prostitution related services you must remove such things (or hints of such things) from this site. I will NOT edit the ads (that would take too long) so I am going to go over them and start deleting any that DO NOT comply with the new laws. I will check to see if you have read this post and if you have and did not bother to update your classified ad you will get a infraction and possibly a suspension from the site. Leaving the classified up makes more work for me. I am very busy making sure the site conforms to all the new laws so it can continue on for you all. Please do your part. BY NOVEMBER 25th If you see a classified ad that is breaking the law PLEASE REPORT IT! I REMOVED THE "SERVICES" that you can NO LONGER ADVERTISE off the check list as well. You will see them as NA1 NA2 NA3 etc... those need to be UNCHECKED at this time (Till I can add some new ones to fill those spots) the system will not let me just delete them.

Someone is spreading a rumor about Lyla so I am just posting this here to reassure everyone that the rumor is not true. Male members are NOT going to require paid accounts and we have NO INTENTION of every doing that! It may be some other site and they are just confused with the name but I can assure you that Lyla has no intention of that.

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You've now been coached by several posters about conducting yourself with regards to safety. I would mention that I have been pretty active in the hobby for a few years, and about 50 percent of the time, I've had the provider deliver a bbbj. While there are obviously no guarantees in this regard, I test every 6 months and have never ever had any health issues. My recommendation for an enjoyable bbbj is Leighxox. Great attitude and delivers one of the best bbbj's I've experienced, with nice deep throat action to boot.. happy pooning!! :)

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