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It is my belief that a transgender woman is a woman, and not a man playing dress up or pretend. Nor--and I think this is key to your question--do I think a transgender woman is being deceitful simply for presenting herself the way she is. I gather from your post the ladies you're speaking of have transitioned, and now have a body that matches their identity. I'm glad to live in a society where people can truly be themselves. And if these ladies happened to have some surgeries in the past, well then no, I don't think I as a client would have a right to that information any more than I expect any other lady I spend time with to disclose all of her medical history. I don't mean to be flippant or dismissive. I understand why you'd ask the question and why some might struggle with this topic. But when you say "many unsuspecting clients would be very upset if they found out that the person they thought was natural woman used to be man", my thought is that is their problem, not hers.

Although I do not wish to be associate in any ways with that website, I can give it what its worth. There's a lot of wonderful SPs advertising on there. Some dont even know of LYLA and E-C. Also, some SPs on here are using it as a complement to their marketing. But all the ''fakes and flakes'' (to cite CK) are burrying them under their crap. That's the exact definition of diamond in the rough. Do your homeworks properly (I can provide a list of well known and reliable tools), do not rely to much on mouth-to-ear or rumours (a hobbiest opinion can always be bias or shill), see if she has a reco. Then, ask for inputs to reliable members, if you still not sure. First and foremost, FOLLOW YOUR GUTS (not your d***). Stay safe, and have a nice day!..

Kind of the point of transitioning is that the person is now female. I can't see any legitimate interest a client has in knowing that was not true at one point. No, scratch that - I guess *maaaaybe* I could be persuaded that a client could reasonably want to know whether an SPs breasts were implants. I'm not sure I'd suggest *any* SP, cis-female or transitioned, actually has an obligation to reveal that, but I can at least see a reason a client would want to know. But used to be male? No more relevant that "used to live in BC", "used to be a conservative", "used to drive a convertible", or any other "used to".

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Since you mentioned that she had "a good review here", I think it's really important that you post the information in the warning section as others have said.

Sorry to hear about your experience. Try not let it detract you from future encounters. There are many Ladies out there who are reputable and add to this lifestyles' enjoyment. This act is one which detracts from all the positives. And if I may say, hurts the genuine Ladies who are vested in this and make it all worthwhile. As with this individual, there are other opportunities by which this sort of activity can be communicated and people enlightened. As mentioned on this string.Don't think of yourself as a sap, there should be some trust.

Sorry to hear about your situation! Like everyone else has said,it can be reported to protect others. If she has scammed you,she has probably done it to others. Be sure to do your research. This site is perfect for finding the right one. Lyla ladies tend to hold well. Check out a lady's profile or website. This kind of stuff happens easily. Maybe it's time to look onwards. We are 100% not all like that, and can vouch for it. Hang in there. with every bad experience comes many good ones.

I think this would classify as a scam and a dangerous situation so can be reported in that section including a name. This goes beyond just not having a good time. It could be a B&S scam where there is a lure into comfort and then the theft happens. I'm sorry this happened to you and I hope you won't let one incident taint the rest of your life.

My answer is based solely on myself and I can't answer for others. I prefer mature company +40. Im not saying a 25 year old can't be mature, but the connection is different in the past experiences I have had. Someone older than myself is someone I tend to mesh better with, from experience I have found that I have few issues visiting with mature company (they follow the rules, read websites, don't haggle and well they don't stalk me in my hotel lobby- yes that has happened) as well screening is NEVER an issue. My experience with younger clients 98% of the time is usually not something I want to repeat, the lack or respect to this professional and me is one of the big reasons as well as the fact that they seem to not follow instructions well and feel that it is ok to want to date me or take me for coffee off the clock. The fact that initial contact in my experience from a younger gentleman usually starts with "I'm super good looking you should see me for free" or can i have a student discount and r u free now - is enough indication to why I don't wish to see the younger generation - they are also the one who seem to hold the entitlement card and feel because they have money I should see them (and they wont allow me to screen them). I will say in the new younger clients I have clicked with, they had 2 references and were rare from the norm Every lady is different and every lady has different boundaries and rules, for me I'm at a point in my career where chemistry is better than anything and without it there is no date. - regardless of age. We all have our reasons for who we wish to spend time with and why and to be honest its really no one else concern except for the lady who has put her policies in place and they should just be respected.

I don't frequent SP as much as some people here, but when I do, I always look for a good review. However, Claudia's ad caught my attention and I couldn't find any review on her. So I TOFTT. Initial texts and set up with Claudia was good. Replies were not as prompt as I'd have liked, but I was glad I didn't dismissed her. In retrospect, maybe I was too impatient She was honest when I asked about specific stuff she said it depends on how comfortable she is with the client. I give her credit for her honesty instead of just saying what the client wants to hear. Anyway, I set something up for an hour. So, I got to the room and with my heart pounding not knowing who will open the door, I knocked on the door. Claudia opened the door and I was glad to see that she was really the girl in the picture ad. Claudia is a young very pretty SP. She is somewhat petite and hmmm her body is one of the best I've had a pleasure of touching She said she is 19 but her service equals that of more seasoned SP. She can carry conversation well, playful, and very open. We spent the hour having fun. She has a GND look, but she is a wild one (in a good way). Overall, I had one of the best sessions ever ! If you are on the fence about Claudia, don't be. She is the real deal. I think with more experience, she can be one hell of an SP. My first TOFTT is a success and I will repeat for sure!! Link: http://kingston.backpage.com/FemaleE...night/37243188

I arrived early, texted at the appointed time of 2 pm. Re-texted 5 minutes later. Got a response at 2:10 saying: just got out of shower, wait 2 secs. I immediately replied: ok. At 2:20 I texted again. At 2:23 texted a polite "good bye" and left the parking lot. The next time I checked my phone, I had gotten a reply a minute later. Was I being unreasonable?

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There are several Winnipeg ladies that advertise on BP that are well known and respected to make the assumption that all adds on it are sketchy is foolish. Like every other transaction caveat emptor!

A person's surgical and medical history is literally no one's business but their own. If you are not okay with the possibility that someone might have something in their history that makes you uncomfortable but has zero real impact on you, then you should both do some personal reflection on your internalized homophobia and find a different hobby. Trans women and sex workers, particularly trans women sex workers, are already at incredibly high risk of violence, criminalization and poverty. The idea that they owe anyone any explanations about their past and medical history is ridiculous, and increases the likelihood that some entitled person is going to be violent toward them or out them and damage their business. Trans women sex workers are extremely aware that there are people out there who would be angry if they found out that they weren't cis. The "trans panic" defence has been successfully used by men who murdered trans women, as recently as 2005, in the case of Shelby Tracy Tom (and possibly more recently.) When a trans sex worker decides to not disclose her status, she is making a strategic risk-reward evaluation and business decision. There are very specific expectations that most clients who see trans sex workers have, and that almost always includes having a penis that gets erect. Post bottom surgery, it makes pretty much no sense business-wise for a trans woman sex worker to advertise that she's trans. And for those of you who have outed trans women on this site - and I have seen it happen, stop it. Cut that shit out. You are placing the comfort of strangers on the internet over the real life safety and privacy of a vulnerable woman. That is not an okay or humane decision. Trans women are women. Full stop. No woman owes her clients information about her irrelevant medical background. dragon66_61: Have a little respect, and treat trans women like human beings instead of objects or animals. It is never appropriate to refer to someone as "it" and I can't imagine what would make you think that was okay. If you can't recognize the humanity of sex workers don't see them. Find another hobby and stick with jerking off. 500 Pound Gorilla - being trans has nothing to do with sexual orientation, nor does being a sex worker who has male clients. There's zero reason to assume that a trans woman was having sex with men prior to her transition/work.

Good choice Helena, me too! Nutella ... Whipped Cream or Maple Syrup?

I don't think you are a sap. Just unfortunate. It sounds like you did your homework but sadly that isn't always enough. This is a lifestyle that requires a certain amount of trust on both parts. We can do our research but at the end of the day, we have to take gambles, and occasionally get burned. You are right in that negative reviews are not permitted on this site, however, this goes beyond a matter of preference of services. You got scammed, and scammers deserve to be outed as such. That's what the "Bait and switch, scams and dangerous encounters" section is for: https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=203 Sorry to hear about your experience. Mikey

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Why? It was pretty clear she wasn't given the password until she had actually arrived at his location. That seems like a reasonable action on his part.

I think you'll find the women on this site are incredibly competent, intelligent and professional. They are business people who have made a success of themselves. For lots of different reasons they ended up in this line of work, but I don't think any of them would consider themselves victims. I certainly wouldn't, and I don't think any of the men on this site would either. The clients are also a wide range of people who come to this for their own sets of reasons. Sometimes they are busy professionals who don't have the time/desire to pursue a relationship, sometimes they are men who find themselves in a relationship that offers much, but not physical companionship, and sometimes they are guys like you, who are just out of a difficult relationship and need some breathing space without becoming a monk. If you read through the various threads, you'll get a real sense of what both clients and service providers are like on this board. When you are ready to select a lady, you'll have a great knowledge base to avoid disappointment. Good luck.

If she has fully transitioned, and physically is a woman, I see no need to disclose at all. The customer is getting exactly what they expected. Time with the woman they booked with. If the individual has not fully transitioned, then yes, disclosure is required.

I'm not sure I'd completely agree. She is a professional service provider and you are a potential client. Certainly it won't come as a surprise to her that people she might know, from all walks of live, visit SPs. I also wouldn't think she's likely to go off to her ex husband to tell him who she has as a client. I do think, though, that this is an instance where total disclosure might be required. She might feel just as uncomfortable as you, and prefer not to see you as a customer. So if you did try and book, I'd disclose that you think you might know her from your personal lives, and see what she says. This might involve disclosing more information than you are comfortable with,but if that's the case, then staying away entirely is the best option.

I started this thread in The General Discussion Area. http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=743831#post743831

This has to be nominally reported. It goes beyond simply pointing out the misbehavior of a single provider. It helps preserving the credit of the well-established ones who invested so much money, time and effort to build their business. It takes a very long time to build a solid reputation, but so little to ruin it.

I usually book when I'm horny..... that is any time. I wish my budget allowed it to be all the time.

That should definitely be reported I'm assuming this was in Halifax, here's the link for the warnings section https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=203 Just a quick question, has she received the etransfer yet...if not, and I'll grant you the odds seem slim from what you said, cancel the etransfer. And don't feel like a sap, been ripped off myself. All this says is she is a thief. Which says more about her than you But there are many reputable and trustworthy ladies out there. I would offer one bit of advice, avoid BP and stick with the ladies from Lyla RG

This has as much to do with schedules as anything else. For me, morning or early afternoon. weekdays are best.

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What a thoughtful thread with so many touching circumstances. I want my kids to grow up with both parents in their home. There's distance when it comes to intimacy. Often it's like the obligations of running a household together just kill the mood. In some bizarre way I feel like I'm a more accepting and even supportive husband now that there is another outlet for some of my wants. It is an amazing feeling to spend time with someone who is so into the chosen activities. I'm quick to admit this is 110% selfish on my part and hope to keep it compartmentalized. I do drift between the SP and sugar baby worlds as I enjoy longer visits.

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Not to mention it ''ruins the moment'' Some people get stressed out over it so hard to get back into the ''grove'' A polite full disclosure at the beginning would have solved everything.

It was so Hot in St John's today that I had to check the calendar tonight to be certain it was in fact actually February and the middle of winter... but I guess I could be excused for being confused about the season because I had the pleasure of spending the afternoon Autumn Raine who on her very own could raise temperatures in St. John's but when paired up with the Sensual Katherine from Halifax who will shower you with attention it means a sexual heat wave hit this outpost in the middle of the North Atlantic. I contacted Autum this morning and as usual she was amazingly accommodating in setting up last minute meeting Katherine, me and her. And before you know it I was in the truck on my way to Autumn great incall location in Downtown St. John's. On my way to see them I picked up a bottle of "Fat Bastard" Red wine as a welcome to Newfoundland treat for Katherine and some Newfoundland Chocolate Truffles for Autumn. Now for those of you who have met me you will quickly appreciate my wine choice for Katherine. Prior to the introduction of the new laws in Canada back in December of 2014 I had participated in a few duo sessions with some amazing ladies and of course they were always exceptionally hot with what would now be considered very inappropriate activities. Now that the new laws are in place my expectations for spending a few hours in the company of two beautiful sexy amazing ladies like Autumn and Katherine have changed it could not be expected to be nonstop sex and debauchery like in the past we are now civilized... we are comforted by a great game of tiddlewinks. Now over the years I have had the great pleasure of playing tiddlewinks with some amazing Lyla ladies and while I am of course a great l*over of the two person version of the game I had never played three person tiddlewinks so I was somewhat apprehensive about how the afternoon would go... Well let me just say that that you really have not played 3 person tiddlewinks correctly until you have played it with these to ladies... they know all the angles... they exactly what to do to get that tiddlewink exactly to where it needs to go for the afternoon to be fun and frankly these two ladies are not willing to give up on the game until it has been completely played out ... in fact I am not sure you can meet two ladies who have more of an appetite for tiddlewinks. During a fast paced game of two handed tiddlewinks it is not unusual for both game players to work up quite a sweat but I came to understand this afternoon just how much more energy is used in a three handed game...and when you play such a game with two experts like Katherine and Autumn who of course come with all the appropriate game paraphernalia then it is frankly at another level... There were times when I felt like these two ladies thought it would have been appropriate to just handcuff me on one side of the playing surface so that they could just play on by themselves. Anyway this is just my round about way of telling all of you that I had an amazing afternoon today playing tiddlewinks with these two ladies and I would highly recommend that if you are in St. John's this week or in Ottawa in a few weeks that you look up these two ladies and let them show you exactly how tiddlewinks should be played. Autumn Raine http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=110704 Sensual Katherine of Halifax http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=29603

Emily holds the same sentiments as I do. I prefer 40+ because I find older men 40 + are from a different generation and younger men are expecting something in return that I don't or could never offer them such as wanting me to be their girlfriend, give them a discount because they're a student and the "now" factor at 3 am. While these are extreme examples, I have come across them in the past until I put my age requirement at 30+. To answer your question Tempted Monk, older men understand, value and appreciate intimacy. This comes with age and life experience that one doesn't find in their 20a or 30s. All age ranges have different goals, expectations and values. I have always identified with the older demographic because in my early 20s I found myself thrust in life experiences comparable to people in their thirties when they are just starting out. I bought my first house at 22 and have been living on my own since I was 18. I have never really clicked with my generation at the time because I always felt I was 10 years ahead of them in reality based situations. Now I find I like dating men 5-15 years older then me. It is not a huge age difference but enough that they are from that generation of sharing the same values as I do. I have had some good experiences with gentlemen in their early 30's-mid 30's but there are still a few who think that because they are so hung and good looking, I should bow to them. This is my business and while I enjoy it, I'm also here to make a living and be able to pay my bills. We're not on a dating site. I'm older and I have young men in their 18-23 age range contacting me and I'm old enough to be their mother. Sorry but it doesn't sit well with me even though I'm here to offer a fantasy, I just can't bring myself to it. Other times I felt like I was corrupting them and I can't be doing something I will feel uncomfortable with. I have in the past and left me feeling not good. I'm not knocking the younger generation but we all have preferences just as the gentlemen do here with choosing ladies age, body type, etc. It's nothing personal. I'm an old soul and not exactly a spring chicken even though I'm often told I look younger than my actual age but 40+ men make me feel wanted and appreciated and in turn I give that back to them.

8. Safety first If you are a guy you KNOW that wearing a condom is akin to drinking beer with a straw. It's not as good as without but in the end, it's not that bad. Wearing a condom let's you go home to your significant other and not wear one. It's as simple as that. It also lets your wickedly awesome provider also go home to HER significant other (if applicable) and not have to demand that they wear one. It creates that safe barrier between both of you and the great unknown. The likelihood is that you are both very clean and very safe... but why take the risk??? If I can only make one super serious point in this entire thread, it's this. STDs are ugly. HIV is heinous. AIDS is deadly. Nuff said on dat. 9. Fragrance I know it's aesthetics, but we all like to smell good. Many of us have a particular scent that just works with our body chemistry. Not every commercially available scent is good. Ice Blue Aqua Velva is a manly scent that many of your grandfathers wore to cover the fact that their homes had no running water and that they could only bathe monthly. Aqua Velva, Brut and Hai Karate should not be worn by any man with a birth date after 1919. Bay Rum is used by pirates to kill scurvy and to keep other lonely, lusty pirates away. Anything that you purchased prior to the millennium should probably be used as drain cleaner. Febreeze is not an acceptable cologne. Scent should be used in a delicate fashion. You should be able to smell it only at very close range. Ohhhh... and your twig and berries do not require the assistance of any eau de cologne. No. They. Don't. Spray cologne on your arm. Now lick your arm. Lick it again. And again. And again. And again. Now give that arm a suck... oh yeah baby, that's what I'm talking about.... lick that arm until it gives you the goods... STOP. What does your mouth taste like? That's why you don't spray stuff on your tackle and bait. Ohhhhh... and here's a tip for both ladies and gents: If you are somebody that has sensitivities to fragrance PLEASE let it be known at time of booking. We all want to have a sexy time. Runny eyes, snotty noses and swollen tongues ... not so sexy. 10. First contact. Ohhhh the jitters. You have seen her. She is beautiful. She has two of those, and one of those and a great one of those... she has a beautiful mind, she expresses herself so well.... she's funny!!! She's profound. She's smart. She's perfect!!!!!!! I gotta write her. I have to PM her and ask if we can get together. I went to her website and checked the rates and the menu (like all SMART hobby guys do ;) ) ... and now I am ready to write her. I know what I want... I have the money put aside (thanks for reminding me of that Old Dog!!)... I am .... FUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKK.... what do I write??? Dear Alotta Fagina ... I have a 10 inch meat girder pulsing with lusty intent <THWACK> ... you're right maybe I was exaggerating, thanks for the head smack. Dear Alotta Fagina... I have a 7 inch purple python of love poised and waiting for your girl cave <THWACK> ... okay... maybe that sounded a little stalker like, but I do get kudos for being more accurate. Thanks again for the head smack. Dear Alotta Fagina... I have a 5.5 inch throbbing man stick just waiting for you to... <THWACK> ... okay... WTF??? Why do you keep hitting me???? Try "Hi Alotta, I saw your website and would be very interested in meeting you next Tuesday afternoon. Please let me know if that works with your schedule! Thanks, Happy Hobbyist." Simplicity works. You aren't writing a Penthouse letter... you are booking with a professional provider. She knows you are interested. She will see your penis. (There I said the penis word. Whooops said it again.) No need to go into goofy graphic detail... plus when you write that stuff, you get that creepy smile and that's frickin' scary ... stop it now. 11. Bacon Sandwiches. Providers - you know it. Bacon sandwiches save lives. It's not necessarily a deal breaker but I think it definitely would be a pot sweetener if you had bacon sandwiches as a mandatory refreshment at your incall. I like mine toasted with lettuce, tomato, mayo and a little salt and pepper. Cut into triangles, but you don't have to cut off the crusts. MegForFun cuts off the crusts for me but that is because she loves me. Bacon sandwiches will improve your business and will put you that much further ahead than providers who only provide ham sandwiches or cheese sandwiches and much further ahead than providers who don't make any sandwiches. Bacon sandwiches just make good business sense. wait there's more.... later ;)

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