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Thing is though, I don't think it's been a case of people growing disenchanted with CERB; it's the environment that changed. Apple pies are delicious. But if apples were declared illegal and proclaimed to be the diet of "perverts", you'd probably see a lot fewer people eating apple pies or hanging out on apple pie forums. And those who were still there might adopt guarded language that badly hampered meaningful and spontaneous conversation: - "Hello! I enjoy baked goods that include the flesh of certain types of fruit." - "Hello back! I too sometimes partake of oven-exposed pastries inclusive of fruit-based fillings." Changes to the laws forced limits on free expression, and together those two things changed the nature of the community. But it hasn't died; maybe it's just sleeping. Let's see what happens when the law changes again.

Missing in Action People who have been members here for a while know who it is that I am talking about. I myself plead guilty as I have posted very little in the past six months or more. CERB or now LYLA was a place that I used to log into every morning with my coffee, and then again multiple times daily. Now I have become complacent and truthfully rather bored. I know now and always have known the basic premise of what this site was about but it used to be a place where one could engage in good discussions on all sorts of things, both inside and outside of the sex industry. I miss those discussions a lot. I will not even begin to name the people who have stopped contributing to discussions here, but men and women members alike who are intelligent, well spoken, humorous, and who contributed ever so much more to this site than what I see here now, I miss you.

Having seen CERB transformed to LYLA, I can see there has been very good changes made to the site. Also less good ones... But in all. I would think that eventhough we can't all agree, on all the rules, with the exponential boom of new subscribers, the new laws, the new type of clientele (I have more and more fetish requests...), the censorship, the different tech. difficulties (remember the first times of the chat/ chat box) the new rules on here, in all, LYLA is still respecting its first goal: Keeping service providers and hobbiest well informed and safe in a fun and friendly website. Sure, the new rules have change the face of LYLA (wich will always remain CERB to me), and some will always have a certain difficulties to accept rules, not mentionning a change in them (me being the first one). Also, as service providers, we have the chance of hearing some ex-members justification as why they don't post anymore. But that shall remain beind closed doors... In all, LYLA has changed, as we all did. But even with all those changes,LYLA will always remain my #1 refference for work, but will also remain the first site I log in when I wake up in the morning to start a fresh new day... For all those that remain, I consider myself lucky to have the chance to interact with you...

1: How did you book with her if you do not know who she is? 2: Why book with her if you know nothing about her? Additional Comments: I have heard that posts like this are a way of circumventing advertising rules. Perhaps a way to test the waters for a new lady? The link is to a picture only, not an ad. There is no name or contact information for the woman. The OP is a brand new member and this is their first post. And no follow up or response to other's questions. Very strange.

well said sophia, totally agree with you. this was happening before c36 came to be law, well before. obviously, c36 hasn't helped the situation, and only time and new members will bring the site back to life, and hopefully old members will return. onwards and upwards!

INDEED! It was viewed by many as an Adult Facebook....and hope we can return to that! Thanks for bring a well rounded and relevant topic to life. My hopes are that new memebers may feel more comfortable with disscusion. NOT LECTURES...but merely adults discusing what we feel is important.

Thanks to those who have contributed to this thread and it's particularly nice to see some people who used to write some really good posts jumping back in. Like Sophia who has perhaps analyzed this change more than I have, I don't see this as a legal question. Maybe it's as Berlin said that times change and people change and that time is an issue. I do know that I have seen newer members ask a question or make a point to be directed by a long term member to a previous thread. Been there and done that and though I am at least reasonably intelligent I have never yet figured out the search function to any degree of satisfaction so my thoughts are to newer members to ask away, to contribute and to start new discussions. This has always been a truly respectful site to me It's like an adult version of Facebook and those few times that someone has been trolling or disrespectful I simply have ignored and then all seems good. Every single one of us on here, SP or client, has opinions and thoughts and beliefs on a wide range of topics and I think I can say that many of us enjoy reading about the variety of things that make our lives interesting. It's a dull day that one does not learn something new. Without the old Cerb there are a lot of things that I would never have appreciated or known.

I am posting on this thread against my gut feeling....allow me to explain why. I have been an active poster for many years, ( sadly lost 1000 post somewhere along the way). Seems that year by year, we have actually less and less tolerance for other peoples points of view or simply jump on one another for either simple ignorance or even as silly as misspellings! I have witnessed an increased amount of " slamming" or belittling over simple mistakes. Trying to be smarter, wiser or more ethical than the last poster. Even right now.... I was going to post from my phone, but for whatever reason my phone will not show autocorrect, so I am using my laptop. Not that I am stupid or anything but with this post I have learned that if my spelling or grammar is not 100% perfect people will always point out any small mistake I may make! I had not realized that I was supposed to have an English major to post. I find this is unethical, and very distracting to the points I am trying to get across. Seeing backlash for simple errors is not lighting the room in a happy glow. Also, I have witnessed many new Gent's and Ladies who are just trying to learn the ropes, only to get slammed by senior posters that it is a " dumb" question, or what not. These poor souls end up slinking back and afraid to post again for fear of being judged. I have many GF's that feel this way about Lyla ( CERB). And is sad to hear that as this site was always a great way to feel like we belong and not isolated. I feel there is new era, " Dog Eat Dog" as the saying goes, where once we stood together. A person tries to post their views only to be told by a gang of people how stupid they are! I have seen some who have long term memberships say very extreme bulling statements here and yet no one stands against them , it is not reported or challenged cause well it was so and so and anyone who opposes them will get the wrath! This only creates an unhealthy balance of equality for a community such as ours! Where some can get away with what ever they wish as long as it is sugar coated and fluffed with big words , and the straight up comments not nearly as vicious seem to get the wrath. I agree fully that all posts and discussions should be performed in good taste and conscience, and when I see some who are obviously " baiting" another into an argument that can be seen as "hostile" that does not seem fair. It is our human nature to try to defend ourselves when so wrongly misquoted. For these reasons, I simply do not post in any hot topics. We have lost the ability to speak with grace and understanding. Until we do, this site will only continue to become barren:( I do not agree that our new laws are to blame. Who is to say that your not simply posting on your own " date life experience" ? I mean it is not like we ever stated... " when I spend an hour with....and I was unhappy" NO...our ADULT CONVERSATIONS always have been in GENRAL. Advice, topics, questions, have no identity as to whom or when or where. Anyhow, thought I would speak up on this post for this time. But refuse to be "baited" inot yet another drama thread lol.

Indeed... yet when will that be? I'm sure it's frustrating for all of us to be on a 'short leash', so to speak. The question remains, when / if the government chooses to act, will they give the issues at hand a meaningful and introspective examination, or merely a cursory perusal at best? What will the changes be, if any? More to the point, who will be in power when actual real change does occur? Hopefully it is not another Conservative government. I hold out hope that a new court challenge will be launched in the interim and that things change for the better before too much time has passed.

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Sipping a beer after a great outdoor day that will leave me with sore muscles from raking. We are SO far ahead of last year at least here in PEI. Last June 15th I raked under my hedge and came out with snow and ice so I'm loving this. Go Jays. Hockey????? Not this year sad to say.

Resting while watching some TV after working around the yard today doing spring clean up, overall a very nice day.

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Visited this lovely young lady for the first time and I do plan to repeat. She has a great personality, and is super nice to be with. And has a perfect (for me) shapely curvy figure. Definitely recommended. I suggested she join Lyla. She also gets a couple of very positive mentions in a thread in the discussion section - see http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=221794&highlight=jess

Speaking for myself, I just have less time to post, in addition to the fact that I am now based in Toronto and in terms of advertising, Lyla is heavily Ottawa-based. Things change!

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Good morning, Thank you for a wonderful time back in your quaint little city. I enjoyed my stay and am sad it went by so quickly. I look forward to seeing you again later this year. xoxo Emily

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Yes I have fond memories of her too and her partner Vitto - both fun and sexy ladies!

http://reviewed.com.ottawa.listcrawler.com/post/14835754/ Scroll to the both, click on "More Pics & Review", you will see different girls. I don't even have to google the pictures to know that they are fake. The second one, there was a discussion on her a few weeks ago. someone saw her and it was not the girl in the pictures (Bs instead of fake Ds) http://backpage.com.ottawa.listcrawler.com/post/13695858/

"To everything, turn, turn, turn. There is a season, turn, turn, turn" Everything has their day and folks look to something new and different. Like any business new blood is critical in order to survive. The challenge will be to give them a reason to participate. Peace MG

Hey mate, Don't know about Alya, but Kamelia has a thread here on the boards.

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Gina, no doubt.

You guys are aware that cup size is relative to band size, and isn't an absolute scale, right? And so EEE on one person may not be the same size as EEE on another? Good. Just making sure.

There are several Winnipeg ladies that advertise on BP that are well known and respected to make the assumption that all adds on it are sketchy is foolish. Like every other transaction caveat emptor!

A person's surgical and medical history is literally no one's business but their own. If you are not okay with the possibility that someone might have something in their history that makes you uncomfortable but has zero real impact on you, then you should both do some personal reflection on your internalized homophobia and find a different hobby. Trans women and sex workers, particularly trans women sex workers, are already at incredibly high risk of violence, criminalization and poverty. The idea that they owe anyone any explanations about their past and medical history is ridiculous, and increases the likelihood that some entitled person is going to be violent toward them or out them and damage their business. Trans women sex workers are extremely aware that there are people out there who would be angry if they found out that they weren't cis. The "trans panic" defence has been successfully used by men who murdered trans women, as recently as 2005, in the case of Shelby Tracy Tom (and possibly more recently.) When a trans sex worker decides to not disclose her status, she is making a strategic risk-reward evaluation and business decision. There are very specific expectations that most clients who see trans sex workers have, and that almost always includes having a penis that gets erect. Post bottom surgery, it makes pretty much no sense business-wise for a trans woman sex worker to advertise that she's trans. And for those of you who have outed trans women on this site - and I have seen it happen, stop it. Cut that shit out. You are placing the comfort of strangers on the internet over the real life safety and privacy of a vulnerable woman. That is not an okay or humane decision. Trans women are women. Full stop. No woman owes her clients information about her irrelevant medical background. dragon66_61: Have a little respect, and treat trans women like human beings instead of objects or animals. It is never appropriate to refer to someone as "it" and I can't imagine what would make you think that was okay. If you can't recognize the humanity of sex workers don't see them. Find another hobby and stick with jerking off. 500 Pound Gorilla - being trans has nothing to do with sexual orientation, nor does being a sex worker who has male clients. There's zero reason to assume that a trans woman was having sex with men prior to her transition/work.

Since you mentioned that she had "a good review here", I think it's really important that you post the information in the warning section as others have said.

It is my belief that a transgender woman is a woman, and not a man playing dress up or pretend. Nor--and I think this is key to your question--do I think a transgender woman is being deceitful simply for presenting herself the way she is. I gather from your post the ladies you're speaking of have transitioned, and now have a body that matches their identity. I'm glad to live in a society where people can truly be themselves. And if these ladies happened to have some surgeries in the past, well then no, I don't think I as a client would have a right to that information any more than I expect any other lady I spend time with to disclose all of her medical history. I don't mean to be flippant or dismissive. I understand why you'd ask the question and why some might struggle with this topic. But when you say "many unsuspecting clients would be very upset if they found out that the person they thought was natural woman used to be man", my thought is that is their problem, not hers.

I think this would classify as a scam and a dangerous situation so can be reported in that section including a name. This goes beyond just not having a good time. It could be a B&S scam where there is a lure into comfort and then the theft happens. I'm sorry this happened to you and I hope you won't let one incident taint the rest of your life.

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I don't have an age restriction, as long as the client is of age (I check ID for young gentleman) and who are respectful. Nothing else should matter. I don't have an ideal age bracket that I connect more with. I am more connected to personality. They can be anyone, a 20 y/o can see me, we hit it off, sweetest client ever, we got along well, then if a client in his 30s sees me and no connection. Any age this happens, think about going on dates with someone... or your co-workers. It depends on the client and how he is, his personality and I am sure clients have seen me and didn't feel they connected, I could feel the same way back. Age is just a number, in most cases it's very irrelevant to me (again, need to be the legal age). Some gentleman before they see me, even though they've confirmed, they tell me about themselves. What I mean by this is they give their age, height, weight, body shape, etc., and ask if I am okay with their appearance over text. It's very irrelevant to me, I don't care if the client is fit, obese, smart, blue or has grey hair. It is common for older gentleman to ask if I am comfortable with older gentleman, I always respond I am comfortable with older men (I always am asked, "is it weird seeing me 'cause I am much older than you are?") I don't have an ideal age bracket because everyone is different. I could hit it off with a 70 y/o, 30 y/o, 25 y/o, etc., to see me, respect is needed. If someone is rude there is no need for me to see someone regardless of their age or what they look like. Respect, kindness, and a little bit of caring into contacting me goes a very long way. Summary: Age doesn't matter to me. (as long the gentleman is of age)

I just wanted to take a moment to formally recognize Meaghan for the wonderfully supportive woman she is. I have noticed many instances lately where she stepped up to help others, offered advice, leant an ear, offered personal support and resources and even posted to try to keep others safe. She has always been this way however, lately, she has really stepped up her efforts to reach out to those around her and really put herself into this industry. Thanks for all you do Meaghan, it does not go unnoticed!

19-101 - I draw the line at 102 - just don't seem to have anything in common with those over the age of 102.

Personally I enjoy suitors who are 35+ as I have found through my own experiences that there is a lower percentile of that age group who are not my idea of good company. That being said, younger clients are still welcome, but I do ask that they provide a reference so I know they are one of the good ones. I don't fully exclude younger suitors, but I am more judicious with them. Of course I have seen some dreadful gentlemen in my preferred age range also, they just happen to be fewer and farther between than in the younger age ranges, which is why I have chosen the parameters which make me feel most confident in weeding out those types. And that's really what it's about: setting parameters that you are comfortable with.

My answer is based solely on myself and I can't answer for others. I prefer mature company +40. Im not saying a 25 year old can't be mature, but the connection is different in the past experiences I have had. Someone older than myself is someone I tend to mesh better with, from experience I have found that I have few issues visiting with mature company (they follow the rules, read websites, don't haggle and well they don't stalk me in my hotel lobby- yes that has happened) as well screening is NEVER an issue. My experience with younger clients 98% of the time is usually not something I want to repeat, the lack or respect to this professional and me is one of the big reasons as well as the fact that they seem to not follow instructions well and feel that it is ok to want to date me or take me for coffee off the clock. The fact that initial contact in my experience from a younger gentleman usually starts with "I'm super good looking you should see me for free" or can i have a student discount and r u free now - is enough indication to why I don't wish to see the younger generation - they are also the one who seem to hold the entitlement card and feel because they have money I should see them (and they wont allow me to screen them). I will say in the new younger clients I have clicked with, they had 2 references and were rare from the norm Every lady is different and every lady has different boundaries and rules, for me I'm at a point in my career where chemistry is better than anything and without it there is no date. - regardless of age. We all have our reasons for who we wish to spend time with and why and to be honest its really no one else concern except for the lady who has put her policies in place and they should just be respected.