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I'm going to weigh in on here. This is an issue close to my heart. The reality is, this is not an industry issue. This is a Society issue. It seems that everywhere we turn, this is the issue of Consent. Some feel that drugging, or putting someone in a state of intoxication, and they can get away with it, it's ok. We've seen the headlines - Society is outraged - the courts are weighing in. Justice is not being fulfilled. Victims are being raped - both men and women. However, there is a rape culture that exists, and the victim is always blamed That is my bottom line. So, to get back to this industry. There are those that willingly will provide a service at a price that is lower then the standard. That in reality is their choice. If they are comfortable with this - Kuidos to them. They are happy, doing what they want. More power to them. However, there are those that are providing something that they do not want to do. They feel pressured, they need to do whatever to make ends meet. Maybe they have a handler who is telling them they need to make $. dollars. Maybe they need to do something in order to pay their rent/food/smokes/drugs/bills-whatever it is. They have a dollar amount they need to make in order to survive. So they do whatever it takes to make this goal. This is subsistence living. This is what the media portrays it to be. We as a community need to draw a line in the sand and say no, I will not participate in this... However, there are so many that feel "they are somehow not the client that contributes to this". They somehow feel that "it can't hurt to ask", or "I'll see if she can give me something more then she advertises, for less then the general rates others quote". They think "I've scored - I need to tell my buddies". How many times have we as a Community seen someone post "I want to see an RMT that provides extras", or, "Hey, does Sally do more then..." I can't tell you the number of times I've had someone ask "I see Mary does x for $100, can you do this for $50?". Or, what can I get for $40, or even $20. Or, "I have $200, can I see you for 8 hours?", or "I don't like to use protection, so how much is it?" I couldn't care less - the reality is, I don't need the money, I'm doing fine without seeing someone. However, I grieve for some of my friends outside of this particular community. They work on the fringes, and do not have the luxury of working in a stable environment. They are feeling the pressure - they have bills to pay, mouths to feed. Yes, even drug dealers or handlers to pay. So the dredges of humanity keep them in the trenches. They know they can get away with this. They know they can get a rock bottom price for something that is truly special. However, I always am amazed when they then complain (on other boards of course), "her place was dirty, she smelled, she was disgusting, her boyfriend threatened me, she robbed me, she was a robot...she sucked". What do these people think? That somehow it would be a magical experience? The reality is - when someone asks for something that most value highly - and then decide that they want to undervalue it - it will never be a magical experience and will most likely be a horrifying experience. So, as a community, we need to draw a line in the sand. We've already decided that negotiating is never acceptable. If the provider is outside of the rate someone is comfortable with - move on. Don't complain - just move on. If you are looking for something who is willing to reduce their rates for you, - realize, you are probably supporting someone who is doing this for the wrong reasons. At the end of the day - is this what you want??? Help stop the whole rape culture - because this is my personal opinion. Those that choose to ask for more - or bargain for more - are part of the whole rape crisis that women are facing today. Yes - whores can be raped. It hurts just as much.

i think the main thing isn't what is the rate being charged, as much as it is just pay the rate any sp is asking, rather than trying to haggle it down. Yes some sps charge 100/hr, while others have a $1000/2hr minimum, regardless of which one contacted, clients should never think that rate is an opening bid for negotiation. especially since so many of the hagglers have no idea what a negotiation is. It means both sides give something up. In the sp case, she is expected to give up a portion of her fee. In the client case, he expects to get all the time and services included in her requested rate? not how a proper compromise works. If you are a negotiator, remember, you need to compromise the difference between what she offers for that rate, what you wanted to pay, along with what you are going to give up in exchange for the reduced rate. otherwise all you are is cheap . . Regardless of who you see, if you enjoy their company, and your budget allows for it, tip them well, and keep going back. You know their rate is below others, and that they could or should be charging more, and you know that you can afford more, so why not? you might be that guy who has them thinking, well maybe i should be charging an extra 20, why not?

this ad is using the same pics from sarah ending in 7596. I saw sarah and she is real and those pics are 100% sarah, even down to the tattoo's. Whoever posted this add ending in 7696 is an imposter, or sarah renamed to lacy rain changed her number and forgot she was in town a couple weeks ago

It seems a lot of providers are noticing that others are posting ads on backpage using their email address. It does not appear that they are actually logging into their bp account and using their credits, but when they post an ad, they use the email address associated with your backpage account. I suspect they are doing this to circumvent their banned accounts. There might be other reasons, but this is the only thing I can think of. So log onto your account to make sure there are no unauthorized ads. If something is suspicious, report this to backpage.

My phone is to strictly book appts not an all day text fest of mindless chit chat. If a person does nor want to be suspected as a waste of time or be blocked for good, please stay within the parameters of asking for info pertaining to the lady's services and or booking the appt instead of text messages that go on forever and ever. I dont have time for this. Same goes for booking an appt in advance only to be followed by endless text messages in short spurts and then hours later attempting to carry on the conversation.

I would like to talk about the MA side of things for myself, my own experience with "bargain" questions. As an MA who works at a SPA, I follow the rate of the Massage Fee which is NOT the fee you pay the MA. Massage fee and Gratuities are different things. Some walk in, I explain about the massage and the rates. I usually include the massage fee with my gratuities fees. Usually they're like, "WHAT THAT MUCH FOR A MASSAGE!!!???" So, I explain the massage fee, or I usually just say, door fee is X amount, in room fee is X amount. Usually they still get all jumpy and run away. However, a lot don't mind the massage fees at all or gratuities and are happy. I have a base rate (lowest which is basic) and go up from there and depends on the duration they are wanting to stay, rate will change. Massage fees rarely change. *Every SPA and MA has his/her own rates, don't haggle them, be respectful and talk to them if you are short. As for SP and my experience: When I was doing a lot of SP work I ran into this. When I first started I never really had or ran into the issue. Later on, it was like a blooming blossom of BS. When I return back into the SP world, my rates are going up for varies reasons. It is frustrating because they put a reason to beat the "well this girl did that for X so why do I need to pay that for X? It's too much." Simple response: I am not like everyone else. I am who I am. I do what I want to do.

Good Morning Gentleman I am available today and most of the weekend,located Near Bayshore Take a break from the sun today for some indoor play I can be reached at 6137008577 or [email protected] Hope to see you this weekend xo kisses and spanks

Hi there, thank you for checking my ad. You will not be disappointed with my A+++ massage... My name is Vivian. I'm 28 years old. Gorgeous, i am a classy looking Lady with long black hair, seductive cat eyes ...., beautiful silky soft, tanned skin. work out body with all the right curves in the right places. You have finally met your dream girl... I great you at the door with a lovely smile then lead you to the massage room...I will start with a deep soothing tissue massage to relax all your muscles then follow with a soft touch to invigorate your whole body then the fun time ... It will be the most relaxing, creative and passionate session for you ever. So amazing that you cannot help yourself from thinking about it and want to come back for more ! http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92146 For relaxing massage $40/30m $50/45m $70/60m appointment only, call/text me at 6l3 7l2 l2OO mon to sat 10am to 7pm

This happened a year ago, still has effects today. plus new operations http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/migrant-sex-workers-caught-up-in-ottawa-sting-facing-deportation-further-exploitation-activists

like the photos would be 20% her and 42% someone else and.. then again photoshop..ah yes.. a bit of nip/tuck/brush/expand... ok ill shut up.. I get it. So much for mocking her. sigh.. All I did was embarrass myself but I think its funny and screw pride so I'll still post this.

Personal perspective here.... My dad was a scientist, published papers and did peer review for a journal in his field. He did many experiments that required apparatus made by metalworkers, carpenters and even a glassblower. He always considered them equals, with a different specialty than his, and members of the team. Once he had a team of foreign scientists visit for a joint project. Their team leader was from a society with a strict caste structure, and he would never speak to any tradesman, or listen to one. My dad had the task of dealing with people on his behalf. This was part of a major international project and there was a lot of pressure from cabinet. For months dad would come home all worked up because his visitor had once again insulted a co worker and pushed their project further and further behind schedule. Eventually most of the key tradesmen simply avoided working on the project. They had other priorities or ran out of material or had to wait for parts. You get the idea. The project was abruptly halted and several visiting scientists had to go home. Because the head of their organisation was a jerk. Moral: you get nowhere being arrogant, nomatter how important you think you are. Show a bit of respect and people will do almost anything. Everyone makes their own choice.

Sounds exactly like Harley. She was dancing in that sports bra (and little else) about half an hour ago. Lots of lovelies at Barb's this afternoon, and they'll be keen for your attention (not so many punters). Jenny, Maria, Sammi, Siya, Harley, Havana, Jade, Serena, and maybe a few more.

I have had the chance to be with Adèle three times now ;) Always a total pleasure :) Adèle is an exceptionally beautiful woman! Everyone who has met her knows that. Beyond that, Adèle is one of the kindest, most giving MAs I have ever met. There is something very special and tender about Adèle that makes her someone you absolutely want to be with. I say this, perhaps inappropriately, as someone who has had the pleasure of enjoying the company of such wonderful women as Alexxandria, Vitto, Vivian, Mandy, April and Cassie. Some guys get very lucky, and I seem to be one of those guys. Not sure why, but I accept my good fortune with absolute pleasure ;) It is still possible to see a few of these amazing women: Adèle, Vivian, April and Cassie. Each of these lovely ladies is truly amazing :) Fond memories and hopes for the time ahead :) I hope you have the chance to spend an enjoyable moment with Adèle - I'm sure you won't regret it... bellafan

Great thread Peachy. Status, or lack thereof, is the opinion of the one doling out that opinion. I know people that have grade 6 education that are smart as a whip, congenial, genuine and caring. I also know people that have PhD's that are arrogant, conceited, manipulative and undeniably narcissistic. And vice-versa. My respect of a person is in the way they portray themselves to me. It doesn't matter what school they did/didn't attend, what line of work they are in whether that be blue collar or professional, or how much money they make. What matters to me is: are they respectful; do they care about meaningful things; are they trustworthy and can they hold a conversation. Society's 'painted picture' of all providers being 'bullied into this'/on drugs/alcoholics' is just way out of proportion. I'm sure there are those that are forced into this, but there are others that do this as a means of survival and those that do this just because they love it. There have been countless incidences when I am asked for pictures to be sent because the potential 'client' has so-called "standards". Well, my answer to that is, 'honey, if I don't have enough pictures for you to look at between my website and profiles for you to make a decision on, then you are not the client for me'. (These requests usually come from the guys that swear up and down that they will be 'everything I have ever desired in a man', but that is their opinion, not mine when they get to the door) If you are choosing a provider, you are choosing based on pictures, rapport with others, style and a little bit of curiosity. Where that persons education or background comes from should NOT play a part in this. Can you imagine if we went to a doctors office and when asking them where they went to school and how they paid for it, if the answer came back to a school that wasn't ivy league and they worked their way through school so you told them you were going to someone else as they didn't fit your standard? How would that turn out? This is the same thing! If you like someone, like them for everything or don't see them. There are no such thing as 'social classes' anymore, I believe that died in the last century. My background, upbringing and education has zero bearing on what I do in providing. Would I still be as caring, compassionate and giving with no education? Of course I would. To those that think we are lower than slime, just because we do this, why in hell do you seek us out for companionship?

anyone who has to belittle another person is the one with a problem. If it wasn't level of education, he'd use some other arbitrary indicator of status on another person. Education has no correlation with what type of person they are and it is certainly no guarantee that they can carry on a thoughtful conversation.

Well said. I agree that people should not be judged on such things. I've known highly intelligent and articulate people with little formal education, and I've also known highly educated people who could not carry a conversation. Letters after a name mean very little to me in my personal life. As far as prejudging in the sp profession goes, I have to admit that I was probably a bit guilty of this in the beginning myself. Hey, I only had TV to go by and that's never wrong right? One of the first things I noticed way back when I found this site was that there were many very intelligent, articulate and insightful posts from some very interesting ladies. Some of whom who were quite highly educated I might add. (Again, not that the formal education matters, but it just helped to shatter all of my preconceived notions.) Thanks for the great (intelligent, articulate and insightful) post.

To bad more men weren't like you. It would put a big dent in the exploitation of underage and pimped out girls. We should only be in this business because we want to be.

So sad...I am so sorry for your loss sending you all prayers Spread love not hate No more violence Love is the only way God bless you all

The way I do it, I never had to disclose my real name. I edited my profile with ElissaMarie as a name and my work's e-mail address. Once the e-mail is received I click on the link and everything there is only seen by me, and as I said in the e-mail notification received the real name of the sender was not included.

I can't decide which of these two pictures I like better. or Thanks to NJ for posting the second one! He's been doing great stuff on here!

Thank you and your friend for sharing that response. I am very pleased to see that he did get an answer as I wrote to PM Trudeau, the Justice Minister and my own M.P,m and never did receive even an acknowledgement. I realize that the still relatively new government has a lot on their plate so I will continue to trust that eventually they will review the existing legislation while at the same time listen to Amnesty International, the United Nations and the sex workers in this country.

I love that moment... :)

Like BossMan44, my work position is one of high responsibility and stress and I've found that the massage therapy is dramatically reducing the level of stress that I feel. The last couple years of my life involved some events that rocked the core of my being, and has provided me an expanded outlook on day to day life. However, at times I still feel plagued with these events contributing to some anxiety. Massage therapy is now something I look forward to as its effects are lasting days afterwards, my spirits are lifted and my body feels younger. After my last session yesterday, even though the therapy has no sexual intentions, I thought wow, could this be better than sex? And yes, Nicolette, "a touch or a whisp of hair caressing your body as you are being massaged is very exciting" and also comforting and relaxing. In my opinion, massage therapy not only helps the muscles it nurtures the soul via positive touch, where it is very personal for the client whom has to place a lot of trust in the therapist.

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I had an excellent session with Kelsea last week. Will repeat!

Board member BodaciousBella, with thanks!

I have decided it is time to hang up my heals, and move on in my new life. I will be staying in Victoria, BC until the end of June, and then moving back to NB. So, if you ever wanted to see me, here is your last chance. Now-End of June - available in beautiful Victoria - upscale incall location These dates are not confirmed yet (leaving Victoria around June 22) - but to give you a general idea, these are the areas I will be stopping in: Kelowna, BC Winnipeg, MB Thunder Bay, ON Sault Ste. Marie, ON Ottawa, ON Edmunston, NB (outcall only) Saint John, NB If you are in between these locations, and are able to host me, I might be able to stop in to see you. Once I am settled back into Saint John, I will retire - so don't miss your opportunity to see me.

i'm under 29 and honestly, i love kissing. it's what i always check before contacting a lady.

Naughty Natalie is definitely a spinner, and a bloody sexy one at that!!!

http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=167013&highlight=Spinners

Smells can be a huge turn on for me or turn off.... I do not like BO of any kind, but also a man who showers in aftershave is huge turn off too. I love a man fresh out of the shower with no perfumes, his natural odor is an arousal for me. Just my nickles worth.... For what ever its worth...

yay! thanks for thinking of me :) im available for downtown ottawa outcalls- however; I can do incalls- if you let me know a day or two in advance- otherwise incall location might not be guaranteed-ready and set for play (outcalls are good with or without advance notice; if time is available)

Satyromania: Abnormally great male sexual desire; satyriasis; or a succinct description of my libido. :icon_wink: